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02:01:02 <wrnash> Hello Everyone
02:01:09 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:01:15 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
02:01:16 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
02:01:17 * laubersm lurks
02:01:22 <kk4ewt> .hello jbwillia
02:01:23 <zodbot> kk4ewt: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@yahoo.com>
02:01:30 <laubersm> .hello laubersm
02:01:31 <zodbot> laubersm: laubersm 'Susan Lauber' <laubersm+fedora@gmail.com>
02:01:37 <award3535> #chair kk4ewt wrnash
02:01:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 kk4ewt wrnash
02:01:42 <juggler> o/
02:02:10 <kk4ewt> hello laubersm and welcome
02:02:19 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
02:02:48 <award3535> laubersm welcome
02:03:06 <Lord_Drachenblut> greetings
02:03:07 <jflory7> Welcome all!
02:03:20 <Lord_Drachenblut> .hello Lord_Drachenblut
02:03:21 <zodbot> Lord_Drachenblut: Sorry, but you don't exist
02:03:24 <juggler> hello all
02:03:30 <jflory7> Lord_Drachenblut: Try FAS username.
02:03:43 <Lord_Drachenblut> .hello lord_drachenblut
02:03:44 <zodbot> Lord_Drachenblut: Sorry, but you don't exist
02:04:26 <Lord_Drachenblut> .hello lorddrachenblut
02:04:27 <zodbot> Lord_Drachenblut: lorddrachenblut 'Matthew Williams' <lord.drachenblut+fedora@gmail.com>
02:04:35 <Lord_Drachenblut> ahhh there we go
02:04:53 <award3535> any announcements before we get to tickets
02:05:06 <jflory7> Oh, I could say something
02:05:10 <award3535> go
02:05:18 <award3535> #chair Lord_Drachenblut
02:05:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: Lord_Drachenblut award3535 kk4ewt wrnash
02:05:40 <jflory7> So as many of you might know, the Fedora Elections cycle is coming up, and FAmSCo is being voted on new seats.
02:05:47 <jflory7> Interviews are being published on the Fedora Community Blog.
02:05:59 <jflory7> To see all of the FAmSCo interviews, you can use this tag:
02:06:02 <jflory7> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/category/famsco
02:06:18 <jflory7> Many are published, but there may be a few more leading up to the 7th.
02:06:23 <kk4ewt> 404
02:06:24 <jflory7> eof
02:06:28 <wrnash> is the link correct?
02:06:40 <wrnash> I'm getting an 404 error
02:06:42 <jflory7> Oops, it wasn't
02:06:43 <jflory7> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/famsco/
02:06:48 <jflory7> Try that.
02:06:55 <wrnash> that work
02:07:38 <jflory7> Also, in a general note, Ambassador-specific news year-round will be published to this category: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/category/ambassadors/
02:07:45 <jflory7> That's all I have.
02:07:47 <kk4ewt> as you can see danofsatx and I are running for FAMSC
02:07:54 <kk4ewt> o
02:08:11 <wrnash> I wish the both of you good luck.
02:08:12 <Lord_Drachenblut> as am I  I'll have a post up in the next few days
02:08:38 <jflory7> Best of luck to all running!
02:08:56 <juggler> great wishes all!
02:09:03 <award3535> yes good luck to our two ambassadors
02:09:48 <award3535> ok moving to tickets
02:10:06 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
02:10:10 <juggler> do we get an e-mail to vote or is there a link to go to to vote?
02:10:29 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
02:10:49 <award3535> .famnaticket 116
02:10:51 <zodbot> award3535: #116 (Fedora 23 media quotes) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/116
02:11:26 <award3535> ok everyone take a look at the ticket, nb moved this to critical
02:11:38 <decause> .hello decause
02:11:39 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
02:11:52 <Lord_Drachenblut> I say we go back to the former vendor
02:11:53 <wrnash> Do we really need DVD's
02:11:56 <jflory7> award3535: Seems like a logical decision to me.
02:12:13 <wrnash> i think most of the new laptops do not even have DVD's
02:12:31 <wrnash> I would agree let's go with the cheaper option
02:12:32 <Lord_Drachenblut> I would be interested to see a quote as to what it would cost to make thumbdrives
02:12:52 <jflory7> wrnash: I think they might be something on the way out, but I think the idea of "item distribution" in general is something the next FAmSCo is aiming to tackle (amongst Linux events in general) as they transition to FOSCo.
02:12:55 <kk4ewt> Lord_Drachenblut,  7.5 10 each
02:13:07 <award3535> wrnash you are correct, but for a small event that i went to a couple of weeks ago I sure gave out alot of DVDs
02:13:23 <kk4ewt> $7.5-$10 each rather
02:13:35 <juggler> ouch
02:13:42 <juggler> +1 former vendor
02:13:52 <award3535> +1 former vendor
02:13:53 <wrnash> +1 former vendor also
02:13:56 <jflory7> +1 former vendor
02:14:06 <kk4ewt> +1 former vendor
02:14:29 <Lord_Drachenblut> +1 former vendor
02:14:48 <award3535> #agreed former vendor for DVD production
02:14:49 <kk4ewt> and i think we should do the multi-desktop
02:15:01 <wrnash> +1
02:15:02 <award3535> I will inform nb as well
02:15:12 <award3535> +1 for multi as well
02:15:13 <Lord_Drachenblut> +1 multidesktop
02:15:20 <wrnash> Which desktops
02:15:21 <kk4ewt> i motion we do the multi-desktop
02:15:26 <jflory7> Seems best way to go too for DVDs, +1
02:15:32 <wrnash> Gnome KDE XFCE....
02:15:41 <jflory7> And Cinnamon, new for F23 :)
02:15:52 <juggler> ooh
02:16:05 <award3535> #action award3535 to contact nb with ticket information and multi desktop dvd
02:16:09 <kk4ewt> wrnash gnome,kde, lxde, cinnamon,xfce
02:16:28 <wrnash> I would agree on them
02:16:52 <jflory7> There's a lot of interest in Cinnamon right now too - seems like it's doing pretty well and might interest some users of other distros, like Mint, for example
02:17:19 <kk4ewt> as many as possible and if possible soas
02:17:30 <Lord_Drachenblut> gnome multiwriter has the ability to write to 20 drives at once.  if we could source thumb drives cheap enough we could use that tool and create them ourselves
02:18:26 <wrnash> What size USB drive.
02:18:34 <award3535> the cheapest I found were a 2G for about 4.99 each when you buy 3K or more, less than 3K its 7.99 each
02:19:11 <Lord_Drachenblut> award3535: are those just plain thumd drives or with printing on them
02:19:21 <award3535> the 4G was 7.99 to 9.99
02:19:29 <award3535> and to answer your question yes
02:20:02 <wrnash> If we are going to hand out thumb drives we need to do something special.  like have the person post a picture on Twitter with the drive.  or something similar
02:20:24 <Lord_Drachenblut> agreed wrnash
02:20:27 <juggler> +1 wrnash
02:21:23 <award3535> RH usually has a few that I get at events to hand out, but the ones I dont hand out I reimage with latest release
02:21:46 <Cydrobolt> hello
02:21:47 <jflory7> I think that goes along with the same discussion on the mailing list about shirts over in the EMEA region. They're making "Proud Fedora User" shirts for FOSSDEM, but my understanding is that they're handed out to users who clearly have a deeper interest in Fedora other than just getting free stuff.
02:21:52 <jflory7> Hi Cydrobolt!
02:21:55 <Cydrobolt> hey jflory7
02:22:02 <award3535> #chair Cydrobolt
02:22:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt Lord_Drachenblut award3535 kk4ewt wrnash
02:22:22 <juggler> award3535 i wonder if there's a box of legacy version drives gathering dust somewhere... hmm
02:23:05 <award3535> juggler, my thoughts exactly, sometimes when spot shows up there is a few things he has I have never seen before
02:23:18 <juggler> award heh
02:23:26 <kk4ewt> Lord_Drachenblut,  we always offer to put isos on peoples usbkey at events and so far in 4 years i have only had 1
02:24:01 <award3535> I have only done 2 kk4ewt, both were at Fossetcon orlando
02:24:08 <kk4ewt> usually we get whatever is left over from the rh summit
02:24:09 <Cydrobolt> wrnash, I like that idea
02:24:14 <Lord_Drachenblut> kk4ewt: I know, when red hat has them, that the bottlecap opener thumb drives are always a hot item
02:24:38 <laubersm> I think I am finally out of USB keys (I also reimage them with the latest)
02:24:38 <juggler> there is a bottlecap opener thumb drive? genius! :)
02:24:53 <Cydrobolt> yeah, USB keys are always in high demand at the events I've been to
02:25:06 <Cydrobolt> I had a couple a while back, but they're all gone now
02:25:27 <kk4ewt> well i think fedora bottleopener would be good
02:25:34 <jflory7> I wonder if there would be an easier way to engage interaction with them. Like the people who take it for a free USB versus people who install and then become users of Fedora.
02:25:56 <award3535> flock had a cool fedora bottle opener
02:26:05 <jflory7> Yeah, that was cool. :)
02:26:12 <Lord_Drachenblut> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e00f/
02:26:12 <juggler> awesome
02:26:19 <jflory7> Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost to make 3D-printed merch en masse.
02:26:26 <award3535> I gave the rest of the lunch boxes away at fossetcon
02:26:27 <kk4ewt> no its was lulubot opener
02:26:57 <jflory7> Cool little things like that to give away. Might be cheaper to print with 3D printing, but I'm anywhere close to being familiar with costs on 3D-printed goods.
02:27:06 <jflory7> Might it might give us room to be more creative with things we give away too
02:27:17 <Cydrobolt> jflory7, very expensive
02:27:28 <Cydrobolt> I don't think 3D printing is cheap en masse yet
02:27:44 <jflory7> Oh, hm. Well, maybe once the bubble pops and it becomes more accessible.
02:27:54 <jflory7> Never mind then.
02:27:55 <award3535> kk4ewt the other side has fedora, I have one
02:28:16 <kk4ewt> well we would need several 3d printers
02:28:26 <Lord_Drachenblut> maybe we could have a contest at events.  let people submit design idea's and the winner gets there printed
02:28:59 <kk4ewt> i would rather use the 3d printer and support printing hands for people who needs them
02:29:15 <jflory7> Lord_Drachenblut: Design ideas for a printer?
02:29:24 <jflory7> Interesting thought.
02:30:07 <award3535> ok movin to open floor
02:30:16 * jflory7 nods
02:30:21 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
02:30:25 <juggler> Interesting: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-10-Sandisk-Cruzer-Blade-8GB-2-0-Usb-Flash-Drive-MEMORY-STICK-WHOLESALE-/151537328405
02:31:21 <jflory7> I'm still wondering, is there any kind of way a USB would more "traceable" to whether or not it is ever used? Just to know how effective a USB stick is over a DVD media.
02:31:36 <award3535> juggler, we are also looking at labeling the drive as well,
02:31:58 <juggler> cool
02:32:17 <juggler> i wasn't sure if we stuck stickers on them or something like that...
02:32:22 <award3535> jflory7 I would not want my usb to send data off the drive through the intranet
02:32:40 <jflory7> award3535: I wouldn't either - I was trying to think of a better way to do it.
02:32:46 <decause> there is a library for 3d printing fedora badeges, fyi
02:32:54 <jflory7> Oh?
02:33:05 <decause> churchyard wrote it
02:33:05 <award3535> remember that kazaa, prodigy, and a few others lost major lawsuits because of that
02:33:22 <kk4ewt> the only way would be have the install phone home and i am against that as well
02:33:55 <jflory7> Looks like this: https://jskladan.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/3d-printing-workflow-with-inkscape/
02:33:58 <Lord_Drachenblut> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-printing-LOGO-Card-Usb-Flash-Drive-1gb-2gb-4gb-8gb-16gb-Pen-drive-memory-Corporate/32308977111.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.117.tP9FXj&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_0,searchweb201560_7
02:34:00 <wrnash> I do not like the option of phone home.
02:34:12 <award3535> as I am an information security person for my day job, boy that would open a door that we dont want to go through
02:34:15 <Lord_Drachenblut> 500 pieces free logo printing
02:34:44 <Lord_Drachenblut> from 1126 for 1gb to 2165 for 16gb
02:35:10 <wrnash> Is this Vendor already setup with Fedora?
02:35:23 <Lord_Drachenblut> no idea
02:35:51 <Lord_Drachenblut> i just found them on aliexpress.  I thought the business card style might be an interesting option over a normal thumbdrive
02:36:01 <wrnash> I agree
02:36:29 <juggler> Drachenblut...Krita does something similar with their distribution...that was pretty sleek.
02:36:30 <award3535> I looked at this company as well, but it is 2 to 3 times the cost over DVD media
02:36:36 <kk4ewt> phone home is beyound this meeting and is a matter for the council
02:37:04 <award3535> kk4ewt I definitely agree
02:37:30 <laubersm> business card style would allow a "please go to this URL and tell us about your install experience" link. might get a half percent response rate :)
02:37:32 <Lord_Drachenblut> yea almost 5 bucks a piece for those.  we would have to have people do something special to get one of these if we gave them out
02:37:40 <jflory7> Yeah, I was trying to think of a better way than to do that, but might be out of the scope of this meeting
02:37:58 <jflory7> Probably isn't really an answer, same problem with DVD media I suppose.
02:38:07 <jflory7> laubersm: Ohh
02:38:09 <award3535> I did that with the keys I had at fossetcon
02:38:19 <juggler> Drachenblut maybe a raffle for the special business card ones
02:38:20 <jflory7> laubersm++ I think that would be a good idea
02:38:20 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for laubersm changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
02:38:45 <laubersm> could be done from a desktop icon in a modified image as well.
02:38:52 <laubersm> live image that is.
02:39:03 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in.
02:39:27 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
02:39:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt Lord_Drachenblut ParadoxGuitarist award3535 kk4ewt wrnash
02:39:38 <juggler> hey PG
02:40:00 <jflory7> laubersm: I think that would be the most effective way to get some kind of engagement reaction. If we were to do USB media at some point, having that ready to go in some form would be in our interest.
02:40:10 <kk4ewt> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yiAgz1-9MRk3LboDWpB6RCrCshBDqHPgIiYAaT5WqlQ
02:40:34 <jflory7> Hiya ParadoxGuitarist.
02:40:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey juggler jflory7
02:41:11 <Cydrobolt> I agree that we should give the flash drives to those are more likely to use it
02:41:19 <Cydrobolt> or through some kind of raffle-like giveaway
02:41:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> We talking about media for next year?
02:41:49 <kk4ewt> well we already voted on that
02:41:56 <kk4ewt> for f23 media
02:42:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> It pass?
02:42:24 <juggler> I think it was in discussion PG
02:42:27 <kk4ewt> yep
02:42:29 * ParadoxGuitarist dances for joy.
02:42:42 <jflory7> I guess this would be for the future then.
02:42:48 <cydrobolt> probably no need to mention in meeting, but I submitted a request for some swag on the Trac
02:42:51 <kk4ewt> the dvd +9 with mutlidesk
02:42:58 <cydrobolt> will be attending some ad-hoc smaller events in northeast region in the next few months
02:43:21 <cydrobolt> I know some organisers so I'll be able to give away swag and do some outreach
02:43:22 <kk4ewt> cydrobolt,  i am out
02:43:30 <cydrobolt> kk4ewt, ah
02:43:34 <cydrobolt> do you know if anyone has any?
02:43:39 <award3535> cydrobolt, you will need to email nb
02:43:44 <cydrobolt> award3535, okay
02:43:45 <award3535> I am also out
02:43:52 <cydrobolt> do you know if he has any?
02:43:58 <award3535> nb seems to be holding all the cards
02:44:05 <kk4ewt> i think nb is fairly low at this point as well
02:44:08 <cydrobolt> ah
02:44:13 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, do you have any swag
02:44:17 <cydrobolt> I don't need a super large amount
02:44:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> Some, not a lot
02:44:31 <cydrobolt> somewhere ~120 stickers and some pens or such
02:44:43 <juggler> well folks...i will be heading off to another meeting. it is good seeing everyone again... take care!
02:44:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> Big stickers and a few handfuls of pens/pencils
02:44:48 <cydrobolt> I still have a tiny bit but it is relatively low
02:44:50 <kk4ewt> and ParadoxGuitarist has the next big event
02:44:52 <cydrobolt> juggler, see ya
02:44:56 <cydrobolt> I see
02:45:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yeah, SCaLE
02:45:10 <cydrobolt> are we planning on ordering more? I'll ask nb
02:45:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think he has case badges
02:45:23 <cydrobolt> am I able to link the ticket to him or is that hidden
02:45:24 <juggler> later cydrobolt!
02:45:27 <cydrobolt> bye
02:45:33 * ParadoxGuitarist waves.
02:45:48 <kk4ewt> well as soon as we known a budget we can, at the moment we have no budget
02:45:51 <jflory7> See ya juggler!
02:45:53 <cydrobolt> ok
02:46:41 <kk4ewt> decause, any headway on budget ?
02:46:44 <cydrobolt> kk4ewt, does nb have access to the ticket?
02:47:02 <kk4ewt> cydrobolt,  change it to central and it will email him
02:47:06 <cydrobolt> ok
02:47:07 <cydrobolt> will do
02:47:10 <award3535> nb should have access to view
02:47:12 <cydrobolt> who's in charge of west coast?
02:47:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> I am.
02:47:42 <cydrobolt> ah
02:47:43 <cydrobolt> gotcha
02:48:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> swag right?
02:48:28 <award3535> cydrobolt, you are learning....
02:48:35 <cydrobolt> yeah
02:48:45 <award3535> keep up the good work
02:49:00 <cydrobolt> thanks award3535
02:50:18 <kk4ewt> decause, ping any news on budget ?
02:53:16 <award3535> kk4ewt I have seen or heard anything either
02:54:42 <kk4ewt> all i have seen is request for next year
02:54:57 <kk4ewt> or proposal for such a request
02:55:09 <jflory7> Might be away, perhaps an email is best for an answer so we can know going forward
02:55:09 <Lord_Drachenblut> alright guys...... I got to run.
02:55:22 <jflory7> Lord_Drachenblut: See ya - don't forget to ping me later to help get your interview up. :)
02:55:27 <wrnash> Me to I got to go.
02:55:37 <Lord_Drachenblut> I emailed ruth suethl again to try to get the plane ticket to scale sorted out.
02:55:52 <award3535> have a good evening Lord and wrnash
02:56:23 <kk4ewt> Lord_Drachenblut,  has anyone put up a wiki page for scale and budget
02:56:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> Lord_Drachenblut: Did your talk get accepted?
02:57:36 <award3535> kk4ewt I checked that earlier and there is nothing yet
02:57:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: wiki has been up for over a month
02:57:39 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: He hadn't heard anything yet, but talks are in the process of being accepted
02:57:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_14X_Event
02:57:56 <jflory7> So he should know soon, I think was what he said
02:58:03 <jflory7> He and I talked briefly about it before the meeting in channel
02:58:46 <Lord_Drachenblut> kk4ewt: there is a scale page up with a skeleton budget for hotel room and travel
02:58:50 <Lord_Drachenblut> and ParadoxGuitarist not yet
02:59:16 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, i take it you are waiting for his talk to get accepted
02:59:25 <Lord_Drachenblut> alright got to jet.  if you have any other questions ask jflory7to shoot me a text
02:59:47 <kk4ewt> sorry i see it now
03:00:32 <kk4ewt> ok time to jet here as well
03:00:38 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist can you link the page to the events page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY16_Q4_.28December_2015_-_February_2016.29
03:03:51 <award3535> ok guess its time to end the meeting...
03:03:58 <jflory7> Thanks all.
03:04:01 <jflory7> award3535++ for your time
03:04:09 <award3535> #endmeeting