04:00:07 <tuanta> #startmeeting APAC 20150912
04:00:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Sep 12 04:00:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:00:13 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:00:16 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:00:17 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:00:20 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:00:21 <nangthang> hi everyone
04:00:21 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:00:41 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
04:00:42 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
04:00:53 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
04:00:53 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
04:01:22 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen
04:01:22 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
04:01:53 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: Fedora 23
04:02:04 <amit> .hellomynameis amitshah
04:02:05 <zodbot> amit: amitshah 'Amit Shah' <amit.shah@redhat.com>
04:02:23 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: Tickets
04:03:23 <tuanta> any more topic today?
04:03:49 <zsun> ot, Alick now moved to NA region
04:05:13 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: FAD APAC 2015
04:06:20 <adimania> .hello adimania
04:06:21 <zodbot> adimania: adimania 'Aditya Patawari' <adimania@gmail.com>
04:06:39 <tuanta> #topic Fedora 23
04:07:21 <zsun> tuanta: so F23 topic first?
04:07:40 <hanthana> .fas snavin
04:07:40 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' <danishka@gmail.com>
04:07:44 <tuanta> #info Fedora 23 is coming, it is released on Oct 27th as schedule
04:07:47 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Schedule
04:08:10 <tuanta> there are some usual tasks for Ambassadors: https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-ambassadors-tasks.html
04:08:48 <tuanta> now, it is time for preparing media, swag, poster, etc.
04:09:07 <tuanta> for release parties
04:10:04 <zsun> I'd like to say, I hope the Design team can prepare a general poster for F23. I did not find a F22 one so it took us a lot of time for making the design
04:10:44 <tuanta> Jan Kurik also sent a call for readiness meeting participant
04:10:47 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2015-September/023779.html
04:10:55 <tuanta> +1 zsun
04:11:13 <adimania> zsun, we can raise a ticket with design team in such cases
04:11:29 <tuanta> I think we should open a ticket and announce to design and ambassadors list
04:11:38 <tuanta> zsun, can you do it?
04:12:02 <tuanta> #chair adimania zsun nangthang gnokii praveenkumar amit
04:12:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: adimania amit gnokii nangthang praveenkumar tuanta zsun
04:12:09 <zsun> tuanta: ok
04:12:48 <tuanta> #action zsun to open ticket on design Trac to request for design materials for F23 events
04:12:49 <zsun> #action zsun raise ticket for general Fedora 23 poster on design team and send a email to design / ambassador list
04:12:57 <zsun> oh, dup..
04:13:06 <tuanta> #undo
04:13:06 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by zsun at 04:12:49 : zsun raise ticket for general Fedora 23 poster on design team and send a email to design / ambassador list
04:13:13 <zsun> thanks
04:13:31 <tuanta> your *action* is more detailed
04:13:34 <tuanta> #undo
04:13:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by tuanta at 04:12:48 : zsun to open ticket on design Trac to request for design materials for F23 events
04:13:42 <tuanta> please re-add it, zsun
04:14:03 <pravins> hi
04:14:04 <zsun> #action zsun raise ticket for general Fedora 23 poster on design trac and send a email to design / ambassador list
04:14:13 <tuanta> #chair pravins
04:14:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: adimania amit gnokii nangthang praveenkumar pravins tuanta zsun
04:14:32 <tuanta> any more questions, ideas?
04:14:41 <zsun> !
04:14:47 <tuanta> please, zsun
04:15:12 <zsun> wanna know if the media(DVD) can be delivered a little earlier than F22
04:15:59 <zsun> On our F22 release party, one guy asked that why we hold F22 release party after F23 alpha released, embarrassing...
04:16:06 <zsun> eof.
04:16:09 <tuanta> I think we will produce media in India again
04:16:25 <tuanta> the point here is the way we will send them around
04:17:05 <tuanta> to China, the best way is via RH offices, right?
04:17:11 <zsun> tuanta: yes
04:17:15 <amit> siddhesh may not be able to do the shipping stuff (at least for the F23 release) - someone else - kushal, me, pravins or praveenkumar could do that.
04:17:29 <tuanta> zsun, you should get everything ready asap with RH person
04:17:34 <pravins> yes
04:17:43 <gnokii> the problem here is, to many cooks who talk
04:17:43 <amit> right
04:17:46 <tuanta> cool, thank amit
04:18:09 <amit> as soon as we know what the final ISO is, we can contact the vendor
04:18:13 <zsun> I think after the experience of F22, every thing is clear enough now
04:18:40 <amit> gnokii: thankfully we're all in the same office, so it's easier for us to communicate and coordinate
04:18:54 <amit> but it's a valid point
04:18:55 <tuanta> IIRC, we distributed F22 media in Pune
04:19:23 <gnokii> amit: well the plan from fudcon was sending everything to harish as he has lesser problems to distribute the only problem was Myanmar
04:19:35 <amit> if someone wants to step up now to handle production and distribution from pune, please say so - else we will do this as the date nears.
04:19:55 <tuanta> gnokii, it is true, but not for China
04:19:56 <amit> gnokii: yes, that's simple enough for someone from here to do.
04:20:14 <tuanta> China will receive media directly from India
04:20:17 <tuanta> via RH
04:20:19 <amit> yea.
04:20:26 <gnokii> thats fine if it works
04:20:38 <gnokii> and RH office to RH office usually works
04:20:39 <zsun> gnokii: it works, for both F21 and F22
04:20:54 <tuanta> +1 zsun
04:21:11 <gnokii> zsun: F21 came not from India
04:21:34 <amit> so siddhesh will still work with the vendor, but since he could be traveling, one of us will do the shipping.
04:21:37 <tuanta> gnokii, but via RH office
04:21:42 <zsun> gnokii: yes. from EMEA Brno by Jiri. Also office to office.
04:21:43 <hanthana> F21 from Europe
04:22:02 <amit> to make this easier, I'll ask siddhesh to write down the process he used for shipping on a wiki page
04:22:13 <tuanta> amit, nice. thanks
04:22:21 <gnokii> ++
04:22:33 <tuanta> any thing else? next topic?
04:23:00 <amit> nothing from me.
04:23:18 <tuanta> #action siddhesh to write a wiki page for media distribution process from India
04:23:36 <tuanta> #topic Tickets
04:23:40 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:24:09 <tuanta> #info ticket #210: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/210
04:24:22 <zsun> thanks.
04:24:33 <tuanta> support for Beijing SFD
04:24:47 <zsun> In short, I'd make some stickers and swags for participant in SFD events in Beijing
04:25:15 <tuanta> zsun, any other activities?
04:25:30 <tuanta> talks, workshop or things like that
04:26:05 <zsun> tuanta: sorry, no talks accepted this time.
04:26:20 <tuanta> too late?
04:27:19 <tuanta> next year, you should follow this sooner
04:27:34 <zsun> tuanta: There are several SFD events in China. And cicku and I prepared for USTC one(not in Beijing) but at last cicku find himself can not go there due to school schedule changed. So I switched to Tsinghua ones but it's late
04:27:53 <tuanta> ok
04:27:54 <amit> zsun: what kind of stickers?  event is next week, so you'll have to go with stock design and print them fast.  also, just a 3-hour meetup, so it's fine to only do stickers and skip swag?
04:28:33 <tuanta> yes, only a week left
04:31:12 <zsun> The sticker design is the old one we used last year. and for producing time, the sticker vendor is in Beijing so of course will finish in time.  For swag, I'd prepare a key ring, the production time last year is on time so I think we will not miss the date
04:31:55 <tuanta> good
04:32:07 <zsun> we've kept good track of producing and delivering time of almost every kind of swag we've every produced within the last year
04:32:17 <tuanta> voting now?
04:32:40 <gnokii> +1
04:32:42 <tuanta> +1
04:32:49 <nangthang> +1
04:33:01 <adimania> amit asked a question
04:33:12 <amit> my only concern was to restrict high-cost swag to fedora users -- according to the discussion we had at the bof at fudcon Pune
04:33:45 <amit> we don't have any tracking or such a system in place yet, so we shouldn't deny based on that -- but wondering what others feel about it
04:33:54 <zsun> the swag is a key ring, costs less than CNY3, which is less than USD $0.5 per unit
04:34:12 <zsun> I have that picture in the SFD ticket last year. Let me find it ..
04:34:25 <tuanta> should we create a wiki page to update swag price in APAC?
04:34:54 <zsun> tuanta: good idea
04:35:04 <amit> zsun: yes, in any case you should have an event-specific wiki page to list the activities
04:35:17 <amit> tuanta: yes, a regional page sounds like a good idea
04:35:22 <gnokii> !
04:35:45 <zsun> amit: so you mean I should create a wiki page in Fedora wiki to track this events as of a general Fedora event, right?
04:35:46 <tuanta> it's good for us to decide the place to produce each kind of swag centrally when we have a chance to distribute them (in FUDCon, FAD, etc.)
04:35:53 <tuanta> please gnokii
04:36:19 <amit> zsun: right
04:36:27 <tuanta> +1 amit
04:36:43 <zsun> amit: okay. I will create it after the meeting and send out a message to the mail list
04:36:54 <tuanta> it should be better place, even you have got just a booth
04:37:02 <amit> tuanta: agreed it's a good idea to have such a wiki page.  we do have shipping constraints as well -- those can be listed on that page too (or a separate one, as long as that's there)
04:37:15 <gnokii> 1. stickers are not high cost swag, we should agree on a general distribution of such swag like europ  has established for the future but calling stickers high end swag is a little bit whuah for me, we have a budget of 1000$ for SFd and so far not many events
04:37:15 <tuanta> +1 amit
04:37:17 <gnokii> eof
04:37:50 <adimania> gnokiii don't think we called sticker as high cost
04:38:13 <amit> gnokii: you misread.  I didn't say anything about stickers.  I just said "high cost swag" -- zsun clarified the cost of keychains, but I'd like to see the quality as well (in the picture from last year)
04:38:16 <adimania> s/gnokiii/gnokii
04:38:21 <zsun> the swag I called as a keyring can be found here https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/attachment/ticket/144/SFD2014-photo-of-keychain-and-dvd.JPG
04:38:36 <amit> generally don't want to associate fedora with low-quality if the swag we give out can convey that kind of relation
04:39:17 <gnokii> amit: we have same opinion on that
04:39:26 <gnokii> but the ticket was just for stickers
04:39:41 <amit> gnokii: no, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/210 lists stickers and swag
04:39:47 <amit> without mentioning what swag
04:39:55 <amit> zsun: here mentioned it's keychains
04:40:18 <zsun> I'll comment to make it clear now. By the time I file the ticket, we still not decided. But now it's decided
04:40:21 <amit> zsun: I'm fine with the keychains as shown in that picture; so I'll +1 the ticket when we vote again
04:40:30 <gnokii> what I find more interesting is I just get a price but no amount
04:40:50 <adimania> +1 to the ticket as well
04:41:22 <tuanta> #agreed Ticket #210 approved
04:42:09 <gnokii> !
04:42:10 <tuanta> #action zsun to create a wiki for swag price listing by country and add some initial information onto
04:42:19 <tuanta> please gnokii
04:42:39 <zsun> gnokii: I will try to make tickets more clear next time. For amount, I am always trying ti get a better amount as of fixed budget.
04:42:49 <zsun> s/ti/to
04:42:53 <gnokii> as it comes to SFD, we should push out an story on fedoramagazine about all our SFD events where we participate
04:43:08 <tuanta> +1 gnokii
04:43:50 <tuanta> who will voluntarily write it?
04:44:17 <gnokii> tuanta: the writing is not the problem, its more to know who is doing one and what is up there
04:45:06 <tuanta> gnokii, you meant collecting all SFD participating information?
04:45:14 <gnokii> exactly
04:45:23 <tuanta> yes, make sense
04:45:43 <tuanta> I think we should have a badge too
04:45:54 <gnokii> there is already a badge
04:46:10 <zsun> #action zsun to write a specified SFD Tsinghua 2015 wiki page after the event
04:46:13 <zsun> #undo
04:46:13 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by zsun at 04:46:10 : zsun to write a specified SFD Tsinghua 2015 wiki page after the event
04:46:18 <tuanta> all SFD participants request for fund and/or badge and we will have event reports
04:46:21 <zsun> action zsun to write a specified SFD Tsinghua 2015 wiki page after the meeting
04:46:23 <zsun> #action zsun to write a specified SFD Tsinghua 2015 wiki page after the
04:46:27 <zsun> sorry for the noise
04:46:57 <gnokii> tuanta: is the guy with the awarding rights
04:47:30 <tuanta> I am not sure; could you please give me the URL to that badge?
04:48:11 <gnokii> tuanta: it are 2
04:48:22 <gnokii> one participants and one organizer
04:49:08 <gnokii> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/sfd-organizer
04:49:51 <tuanta> yes, I have permission to award it to others
04:50:43 <tuanta> #action tuanta to update ticket #210 for approval
04:51:07 <tuanta> we should announce to ambassador list too
04:51:27 <tuanta> about that badge and your idea to write to FedoraMagazine
04:52:42 <tuanta> #idea write a SFD summary (about Fedora activities in SFD APAC or all over the world) to Fedora Magazine
04:52:49 <tuanta> ok, next ticket?
04:52:52 <amit> for the magazine, it'll be better to have a discussion on the marketing list.  recently there were discussions on what kinds of articles are more useful for the audience we want to target
04:52:59 <amit> so we'll need to check if such articles fit.
04:53:13 <tuanta> +1 amit
04:53:36 <tuanta> ok, next ticket; time is up
04:53:38 <tuanta> #info Ticket #211: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/211
04:53:48 <gnokii> amit, I can tell you it fits we did speak about that kind of article on flock already
04:53:53 <tuanta> also for SFD, in Hanoi
04:53:55 <tuanta> please nangthang
04:54:36 <nangthang> Fedora team in Hanoi will organize Fedora activites in the SFD event, we have some talks and workshops
04:54:56 <amit> gnokii: flock is a Fedora premier event - so yes that's relevant there.  need to check for SFDs.  can you please check?
04:55:12 <amit> nangthang: do you have a wiki page for the event?
04:55:19 <amit> oops, found it.
04:55:22 <nangthang> it on the ticket
04:55:30 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hanoi_SFD_2015
04:56:02 <tuanta> I am also in SFD organizing team
04:56:49 <amit> looks good.
04:56:54 <tuanta> SFD have been organized in Hanoi for over ten years
04:57:11 <tuanta> it is the biggest FOSS event anually
04:57:16 <zsun> so can you make it a bit clear what's the cost for booth for, as I see it's the main part of the ticket
04:57:21 <amit> tuanta / nangthang: are you making generic posters/backdrops that can be re-used?  or are these event-specific?
04:57:27 <zsun> for renting things or ?
04:57:30 <tuanta> attractive 1000-2000 participants
04:58:24 <nangthang> amit they can be re-used in the next Fedora events
04:58:28 <tuanta> the booth is a clear 3x2m standard booth
04:58:34 <amit> in that case, will you have enough swag for so many people?
04:58:53 <tuanta> yes, we have some swag left here
04:59:02 <tuanta> and some F22 media
04:59:06 <amit> ok cool
04:59:38 <amit> we have some F22 media here too -- but it's too late to ship anything out now I guess.
04:59:44 <zsun> oh, I see, it is for making the booth itself, right? if so, understand now.
05:00:20 <tuanta> organizer just provide a blank booth (3m * 2m)
05:00:48 <gnokii> I just dont know what a backdrop means
05:00:48 <tuanta> with electricity, table, 2 chairs, etc.
05:01:13 <tuanta> then we need at least 3 posters for back, right and left walls
05:01:21 <amit> yea
05:01:25 <nangthang> gnokii it's a place for participant to take nice photos there
05:01:25 <tuanta> the back one is large and we call backdrop
05:01:35 <amit> btw these poster again need to be generic - not enough time to get a custom design
05:01:48 <gnokii> tuanta: to be honest, Vietnam has two rollups why you not use them?
05:02:10 <tuanta> gnokii, you meant standee?
05:02:14 <tuanta> we have only one
05:02:29 <tuanta> we will put it at the door (near table)
05:02:31 <gnokii> yes I mean that
05:02:53 <zsun> amit: +1. The roll up we make for FUDCon Beijing has been used for various events now.
05:05:26 <amit> ok, vote?
05:06:09 <tuanta> +1 from me for recording
05:06:37 * zsun +1
05:07:03 <gnokii> +1
05:07:14 <nangthang> +1 from me for recording too
05:07:33 <adimania> +1
05:07:34 <amit> +1
05:07:44 <tuanta> #agreed Ticket #211 approved
05:07:52 <nangthang> thanks
05:07:59 <tuanta> #action tuanta to update ticket #211 for approval
05:08:13 <tuanta> #topic FAD APAC 2015
05:08:43 <tuanta> there is not much progress up to now
05:08:57 <amit> yea.. it was proposed to be in Nov, right?
05:09:04 <tuanta> I am working with Harish to prepare for it
05:09:15 <tuanta> yes, and still in Singapore
05:09:29 <pravins> Nov which dates?
05:09:39 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015
05:09:43 <tuanta> it just created
05:09:54 <tuanta> I am working with Harish to fill it out
05:10:05 <tuanta> pravins, not sure
05:10:16 <tuanta> it's up to local team
05:10:24 <tuanta> around Nov or Dec
05:10:29 <pravins> We are having FAD G11N from 1-3 Nov in tokyo, was just wondering whether dates clash.
05:10:32 <pravins> collide.
05:10:55 <tuanta> it is not so soon, I think
05:11:25 <gnokii> pravins: it will not collide for you anyway ;)
05:12:02 <tuanta> #action tuanta to work with Harish and have more updates for APAC ambassadors about FAD APAC 2015
05:12:04 <pravins> :)
05:12:17 <gnokii> tuanta: WORK not just make an action to work!
05:12:45 <tuanta> gnokii, sorry, I don't understand
05:13:00 <tuanta> that action is for more updates
05:13:34 <tuanta> any more question about FAD right now?
05:13:50 <amit> nope
05:13:52 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
05:14:02 <gnokii> tuanta: I told you in may about planning FAD, we agreed in June to do it in Singapore and now we have nearly end of September, you are are aware of the deadline for getting the money from OSAS?
05:14:22 <amit> so one of the things is that fudcon apac reimbursements which are assigned to izhar have still not happened.
05:14:33 <amit> ruth started closing some yesterday, so that's good.
05:14:42 <tuanta> Harish seems too busy
05:14:49 <zsun> just got reply from SFD Tsinghua, they will try to make a slot for a Fedora talk, at least a lighting
05:14:53 <tuanta> I will push him more
05:15:02 <gnokii> tuanta: he was in Vn last weekend!
05:15:02 <amit> zsun: excellent
05:15:05 <tuanta> cool zsun
05:15:13 <tuanta> cool gnokii
05:15:25 <tuanta> then you will attend SFD?
05:15:31 <gnokii> me?
05:15:32 <tuanta> Hanoi or HCMC?
05:15:41 <tuanta> ah, sorry
05:15:43 <gnokii> tuanta: I said harish was in HCMC
05:15:48 <tuanta> I misunderstood
05:15:53 <gnokii> me will do SFD in Phnom Penh
05:15:55 <tuanta> yes, I know he did
05:16:37 <tuanta> he ask me if I can travel to HCMC, but I could not make it
05:17:19 <tuanta> we have another big topic about FUDCon APAC 2016 but I can not find Cambodia person around
05:17:54 <adimania> is there a way to contact izhar? I am waiting for reimburesement on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/197. While delay is fine with me but knowing the payout dates would be helpful.
05:18:10 <amit> we need to find a way to push izhar.
05:18:16 <gnokii> yes because Nisa is on countryside and Somvannda has to work, he has not that good life as me ;)
05:18:33 <amit> we should also see if we can get a 2nd community card for the region.
05:18:39 <zsun> adimania: I used to send emails to izhar@fedora to ask for a date
05:19:00 <tuanta> I got more than one messages from other teams too ask if they can make more bids
05:19:03 <adimania> +1 to another community card
05:19:24 <amit> or get the current one re-assigned, that's an option too.
05:19:30 <gnokii> tuanta: what you talking about?
05:19:33 <tuanta> I replied them that they should wait for Cambodia. It is higher priority right now
05:19:44 <amit> tuanta: ok.
05:19:45 <tuanta> about FUDCon APAC 2016, gnokii
05:19:55 <gnokii> what other teams?
05:20:01 <gnokii> be more precise?
05:20:15 <amit> #info tuanta received emails asking if other teams could bid for FUDCon APAC 2016
05:21:05 <tuanta> actually, I would not like to tell their name now. I think we should focus on Cambodia bid at this time
05:21:21 <amit> yea, agreed.
05:21:37 <tuanta> thanks amit
05:21:39 <amit> we had also set a deadline for the cambodia bid at fudcon bof; we've blown way past it too
05:21:51 <amit> but I agree we should give them one final chance to present their case
05:21:55 <amit> not delay any more
05:22:03 <amit> hopefully they have all the details by now
05:22:12 <gnokii> tuanta: you know just tell very clearly that you are against FUDCon in PP, thats what you doing is not a nice game, you called in for a meeting 14 days ago and only cambodians was there nobody else including yourself. So you actually make the delays
05:22:35 <gnokii> I think its time now to bring it a level higher
05:22:48 <amit> gnokii: that's a serious accusation.
05:22:58 <gnokii> yes, but that is what happens
05:23:03 <amit> gnokii: tuanta is saying cambodia is high priority.  he's not entertained the other teams
05:23:18 <tuanta> you can think anything if you want, gnokii. But others know who I am
05:23:25 <amit> gnokii: no, you're too emotionally involved to think clearly, I feel.
05:23:43 <tuanta> thanks amit for understandings
05:23:53 <gnokii> amit: I asked a clear question "What teams"
05:23:55 <pravins> gnokii: i am against that statement. tuanta is one who is supporting and facilitating.
05:24:11 <amit> gnokii: the question of what teams won't arise because we all agree cambodia is what we need to concentrate on
05:24:12 <gnokii> pravins I dont see it
05:24:33 <tuanta> I support whichever team who can make FUDCon well. Now I am supporting Cambodia
05:24:38 <tuanta> It's true
05:24:46 <amit> gnokii: as you'd understand, not everyone can make it to all these meetings.  the last meeting could've be the one tuanta couldn't attend.
05:24:53 <amit> that doesn't mean discussions can't happen on emali
05:25:07 <amit> please, I see if the cambodia team needs to win the bid, they need to put in effort.
05:25:17 <pravins> +1
05:25:23 <amit> if people didn't turn up for this meeting, they must use email to press their case
05:25:31 <amit> and pointing fingers at tuanta isn't going to help
05:25:33 <gnokii> at a certain point we have to make a decision
05:25:41 <amit> he's but one person; and the decision is a collective one
05:25:54 <gnokii> and I dont see it here, it gets delayed, delayed and furthermore delayed
05:25:56 <tuanta> +1 amit
05:26:01 <tuanta> I am only one person
05:26:29 <tuanta> anyway, we should make the final decision soon
05:26:44 <tuanta> next meeting?
05:26:54 <tuanta> can we do it at the next meeting?
05:26:58 <amit> tuanta: next meeting should be decision, yes.
05:27:04 <tuanta> after SFD
05:27:12 <amit> but we shouldn't spend time at that meeting to discuss and debate
05:27:19 <tuanta> I will send to the mailing list after this meeting
05:27:22 <amit> all that should already happen on mailing lists in these 2 weeks
05:27:25 <gnokii> fine but its final then
05:27:31 <tuanta> so them to have more tiem to prepare
05:27:47 <amit> gnokii: so I trust you can take this message to the PP team: make sure we get all discussion and answers done on email before the next meeting.
05:27:54 <amit> we just vote next meeting.  is that fine?
05:28:15 <pravins> yes
05:28:18 <gnokii> sure
05:28:23 <adimania> and let us make it clear that people who are going to miss the meeting should at least send their vote and concerns over the mailing list or ticket
05:28:55 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send another announce for making decision on Cambodia bid next meeting
05:29:39 <amit> tuanta: please specify that next meeting is only votes; all discussion should already happen on email (ambassadors@)
05:29:44 <amit> or fudcon-planning@
05:30:00 <tuanta> +1 amit
05:30:36 <tuanta> #info next meeting is only for final vote, all discussions should be done via mailing list by that date
05:30:53 <tuanta> anything else today?
05:31:12 <amit> someone please poke izhar to get to 2015 fudcon apac reimbursements
05:31:24 <tuanta> I just pinged him
05:31:46 <tuanta> I see he did reimbursement once yesterday on APAC Trac
05:31:52 <adimania> and non-fudcon reimbursements as well.
05:31:58 <amit> tuanta: thanks!
05:32:01 <tuanta> it seems he just checked APAC Trac
05:32:07 <amit> right
05:32:07 <tuanta> not FUDCon one
05:32:30 <zsun> I thought FUDCon ones used to be reimbursed by ruth directly
05:32:39 <tuanta> it's nice if you can ping him more :)
05:32:45 <tuanta> another action?
05:33:04 <adimania> tuanta, can you check if https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/197 is missing any keyword or component.
05:33:22 * tuanta is checking
05:33:35 <adimania> it needs to be reimbursed but I do not see any reply from izhar
05:34:10 <tuanta> he seems too busy
05:34:28 <gnokii> ok, guys I need to get some lunch before my workshop starts
05:34:42 <tuanta> Pune tickets still waiting, adimania
05:35:00 <adimania> tuanta, then probably amit's idea to get another community card is good.
05:35:16 <tuanta> it is good, yes
05:35:21 <tuanta> but it is not easy
05:35:27 <adimania> we have more events like FAD coming up and delay would cause problems.
05:35:28 <gnokii> the card might be lesser the problem
05:35:45 <tuanta> last time, it spent almost 2 years to get the first cc to izhar
05:36:19 <tuanta> it depends on RH finance a lot
05:36:23 <adimania> Then we should at least start the process. We will have it in by 2017. :)
05:36:56 <amit> a mathematician would say it's now a solved problem :)  so maybe getting a 2nd one is easier because some process is in place
05:37:12 <tuanta> but we still have an easier way. it may be easier if cc holder is one of RH employee
05:37:33 <tuanta> so yes, I think we should raise this on
05:37:41 <adimania> We have bunch of RH folks in Pune.
05:37:57 <adimania> and now in bangalore too.
05:38:00 <zsun> especially one of RH hired guys who is working on Fedora engineering.
05:38:19 <tuanta> so we should raise this on
05:38:27 <amit> yup.
05:38:33 <adimania> +1
05:38:45 <tuanta> who want to be a volunteer to follow this?
05:39:13 <amit> what should be the procedure?  contact Ruth?  or ask on council / ambassadors list?
05:39:18 <adimania> probably someone who was involved in getting the 1st one would be a good person.
05:39:19 <tuanta> a coordinator, I meant
05:39:23 <tuanta> Council, I think
05:39:58 <tuanta> we should clarify the problem, and propose the new cc holder, etc. I think
05:40:07 <zsun> amit: I think it is better to ask Ruth as well as Jiri (currently I think he is the so called community manager in Red Hat)
05:40:09 <tuanta> s/nominate
05:40:23 <gnokii> he is not
05:40:27 <tuanta> zsun, he is not
05:40:36 <tuanta> he is in Workstation team
05:40:41 <tuanta> Fedora Engineer
05:40:47 <zsun> tuanta: oh, I forgot he moved ;)
05:41:05 <gnokii> guys, before you thinking to much on second cards. Have you ever thought about that this are debit cards?
05:41:06 <tuanta> decause is Fedora community manager
05:41:17 <gnokii> and when they are empty they are empty ;)
05:42:17 <tuanta> any volunteer?
05:42:25 <amit> gnokii: sure, I think they get refilled every week.
05:42:34 <gnokii> haha
05:42:39 <tuanta> I prefer someone in India who can contact to RH India easier
05:42:46 <amit> but the point is we should have someone who can do the reimbursements fast.
05:42:51 <gnokii> each quarter you mean
05:43:05 <amit> tuanta: Kushal is one, I am 2nd.  we'll discuss amongst ourselves.
05:43:15 <adimania> I don't mind doing it at least twice a month. But I am not a RH employee.
05:43:17 <amit> and see how to move forward on this.
05:43:35 <tuanta> amit, can you act as an coordinator for this idea?
05:44:13 <amit> I recall Ruth mentioning each week.  in any case, if it's quarterly, then the amount on it will be in proportion to the time too.
05:44:27 <amit> tuanta: yes.
05:44:50 <tuanta> cool
05:45:04 <amit> we almost had a double-meeting :)
05:45:13 <tuanta> ok :)
05:45:17 <tuanta> lets end now
05:45:26 <tuanta> I am really hungry :)
05:45:32 <amit> :)
05:45:36 <amit> see you all folks.
05:46:07 <tuanta> #action amit to raise the idea of the second CC holder in APAC
05:46:16 <tuanta> #endmeeting