20:00:01 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2015-09-02
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20:00:03 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:00:07 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
20:00:13 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:00:15 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:00:18 <lupinix> .fas lupinix
20:00:18 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org>
20:00:21 <taquilla> .fas diegoestrada
20:00:21 <zodbot> taquilla: diegoestrada 'Diego Estrada' <itdiegoestrada@gmail.com>
20:00:27 <FedoraUser> .hello fedorauser
20:00:28 <zodbot> FedoraUser: fedorauser 'Medic Momcilo' <medicmomcilo@gmail.com>
20:00:30 <Mohamed_Fawzy> .fas mohamedfawzy
20:00:31 <zodbot> Mohamed_Fawzy: mohamedfawzy 'Mohamed Fawzy' <medoelmasry142@gmail.com>
20:00:46 <sesivany> Welcome, everyone!
20:01:04 <Mohamed_Fawzy> welcome sesivany
20:01:15 <Mohamed_Fawzy> long time no meetings
20:01:20 <taquilla> yes
20:01:26 <taquilla> the summer...
20:01:42 <FedoraUser> flocks and whatnot :)
20:01:55 <sesivany> yeah, I was away for several weeks.
20:02:19 <sesivany> and then I missed the last planned meeting...
20:02:38 <GITNE> .fas GITNE
20:02:38 <zodbot> GITNE: gitne '' <gitne@gmx.de>
20:02:48 <lkurusa> .fas levex
20:02:48 <zodbot> lkurusa: levex 'Levente Kurusa' <levex@linux.com>
20:03:51 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
20:04:03 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
20:04:09 <sesivany> any announcements, anyone?
20:04:54 <lupinix> Fedora 23 Alpha was released
20:05:04 <lupinix> on  2015-08-11
20:05:12 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:05:12 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:05:20 <Mohamed_Fawzy> beta is on 21 sept
20:05:27 <sesivany> #info Fedora 23 Alpha was released on Aug 11th.
20:05:29 <Mohamed_Fawzy> my birthday
20:05:51 <sesivany> #info Beta is scheduled for Sept 21st.
20:05:55 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
20:05:55 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
20:06:07 <thunderbirdtr> good night/evening everyone
20:06:29 <sesivany> I also have one thing to share....
20:07:35 <sesivany> EMEA Ambassadors need new leadership, I've been doing several different leadership roles for the last 4 years and since I changed a job, I haven't done it properly. Plus I'm a bit burnt out, too.
20:08:07 <sesivany> So we need someone who will take over some of the roles and will drive the region forward.
20:08:17 <sesivany> I know we have such people among us.
20:08:20 <mitzie> sorry for the delay
20:08:23 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:08:24 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <mitzie@mitzelos.com>
20:08:29 <taquilla> hard work
20:08:36 <lupinix> sesivany: first: thank you very much for your work!
20:09:03 <sesivany> lupinix: I'm not going away by any means, I will still remain one of the most active ambassadors.
20:09:24 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, ıt's gonna be said...  but you manage really awesome..
20:09:29 <lupinix> nice :)
20:09:34 <sesivany> but we need someone who will "own" the thing, drive it, make sure things are on track etc.
20:09:43 <sesivany> I'm just tired after 4 years.
20:09:52 * mitzie is catching up
20:09:58 <Mohamed_Fawzy> you was a good leader i learned much this year with you
20:10:20 <sesivany> for example when there is no meeting scheduled, someone steps up and makes sure we hold it.
20:10:43 <sesivany> or we need a new treasurer that makes sure our expenses are within our budget.
20:11:07 <sesivany> I have no time to track our expenses properly this year, I only have a rough idea.
20:11:26 <lupinix> is there some kind of overview?
20:11:45 <lupinix> i had a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2016
20:11:51 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, you can also stay for leadership and leave others too then ? is it also possible ?
20:13:01 <GITNE> sesivany: so what kind of roles would you like to transfer to others?
20:13:02 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: I wanna stay, but I just don't have energy any more to be the one who makes sure we have a meeting, to be the lart arbiter about tickets, to be the driving force behing the budgeting, event planning.
20:14:00 <sesivany> for example we should start organizing another EMEA FAD, but I don't have the energy to start pushing it, so that things start moving.
20:14:08 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, I see , and I understand that's not a easy job....
20:14:42 <sesivany> I don't have to be replaced by one person, it could be and should be more people.
20:14:53 <sesivany> it has always been an informal leadership.
20:15:21 <sesivany> moreover looks like FAmSCo will continue and we need new representatives for that, too.
20:15:49 <lupinix> so how could we handle meetings for example? possible to have a group of possible chairs?
20:16:05 <mitzie> lupinix: There is already something like that
20:16:09 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, so that's mean FAmSCo and EMEA gonna change too ?
20:16:15 <thunderbirdtr> mitzie, +1 e.g French ?
20:16:17 <robyduck> sesivany: we should make elections for F24 and F25 cycle indeed, once F23 is out
20:16:57 <sesivany> lupinix: Jon Archer and Giannis have been helping me chair the meeting, but it's still me who needs to ask who will chair it this time, to make sure it happens. It'd be great if someone could take over this responsibility.
20:17:59 <GITNE> sesivany: this sounds like you basically only have trouble to hold the meeting
20:18:02 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: FAmSCo will need new blood for sure.
20:18:11 <GITNE> sesivany: at least sometimes
20:18:31 <sesivany> GITNE: not only that, we need a new treasurer who tracks our expenses.
20:18:44 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, still we have that problem too ?
20:18:51 <GITNE> okay, so let's think about one role at a time
20:18:59 <sesivany> last years, I tracked every single expense, everything is on the wiki, but not this year :-(
20:19:47 <Mohamed_Fawzy> it was hard job sesivany but you did it
20:19:51 <GITNE> sesivany: how about we hold an election on roles next meeting or due to some date you're comfortable with?
20:20:06 <robyduck> sesivany: I'd say we should split the responsibilities. Maybe you can continue as treasurer, it's an important role and you are "nearer" to swags, cc, OSAS etc
20:20:33 <sesivany> GITNE: it doesn't have to be an election, I don't think the roles are so attractive that we'd have many candidates.
20:20:41 <GITNE> robyduck: sounds wise to me
20:20:50 <sesivany> robyduck: I will continue taking care of swag.
20:20:52 <robyduck> for the rest we could make a sort of election of people who want to take over the meeting/event/otherstuff job
20:21:13 <sesivany> robyduck: it has been mostly done by Kveta anyway.
20:21:24 <lupinix> election sounds nice
20:21:26 <robyduck> sure, but under your wing
20:22:05 <GITNE> yeah, it does not need to be an elaborate election. I mean it, just needs to be more or less an official role so that people feel resoponsible
20:22:12 <thunderbirdtr> yes .... +1 need to be control but not all of it. after while and experience he/she can do the job
20:22:36 <sesivany> and I'm willing to help everyone in his new role, as I said I'm not going away, but I have taken too many roles in the last 4 years, and it's not viable any more and I know I'm not doing a good job in many of them any more.
20:23:48 <sesivany> so basically we need: the main chair for our meetings, treasurer, and FAmSCo members.
20:24:02 <GITNE> sesivany: okay we get it :-) so we need to find a mode of progress now how to transfer some stuff that you've been doing to others
20:24:30 <sesivany> and people stepping up and taking action like "hey, we haven't done towards our EMEA FAD, let's do call for locations etc.".
20:25:05 <lkurusa> as a sidenote, we (Hungary) might have a bid for EMEA FAD
20:25:06 <robyduck> same happened for FLOCK 2016 bids
20:25:24 * GITNE would like to help but is a greenhorn ;-)
20:25:50 <sesivany> robyduck: yes, two years ago, it was pretty much me who arranged the Prague location with Miro.
20:26:02 <robyduck> yeah I remember
20:26:04 <mitzie> I agree with GITNE, that it should be something more or less official, so people will feel responsible for this place
20:26:09 <sesivany> robyduck: I would have taken such actions this year again, but I haven't had time.
20:26:37 <sesivany> so it's not only about specified roles, but also about making sure things are happening.
20:27:14 <robyduck> sesivany: I feel also FAmSCo's inactivity also plays a role in the regional stop of activities
20:27:15 <sesivany> anyway, you know the situation, it doesn't have to be solved over night, but I can't hold for too long :)
20:27:42 <sesivany> robyduck: I think Ambassadors in general have problem with leadership, not only EMEA.
20:27:51 <robyduck> +1
20:28:00 <thunderbirdtr> yes...
20:28:04 <sesivany> Old farts have been leading for too long, we need new people, new blood who will drive the project.
20:28:19 <sesivany> just like we need 3 years ago.
20:28:24 <sesivany> s/need/did
20:28:46 <robyduck> can we trac this in some way? Where? Let's not mix this up with FAmSCo, which is a separate topic IMO
20:29:16 <sesivany> robyduck: I can open a ticket about it, and I'm going to write email to the list.
20:29:27 <robyduck> awesome
20:30:01 <sesivany> #action sesivany to write email about new leadership and create tickets to track progress
20:30:22 <sesivany> ok, let's move one, shall we?
20:30:27 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, lasty.. .
20:30:27 <lupinix> yes
20:30:27 <thunderbirdtr> then we gonna need to seperate country by country as possible as we can for experienced ambassadors/mentors then they gonna drive project in their country parts and in meeting every country can also move on more effectively I think ?
20:30:34 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:30:34 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:31:13 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: country leadership is important, but we need regional leadership too.
20:31:31 <sesivany> EMEA has been example for other regions in many ways, let's keep it that way.
20:31:40 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, okey...
20:31:50 <sesivany> ok, let's move to the next topic.
20:32:06 <sesivany> #topic Requests
20:32:27 <gnokii> shitty hungarian ideas with separate countries
20:33:16 * sesivany is checking the trac...
20:33:22 <GITNE> sesivany: I don't want to sound like a drag but do we have enough people for country or regional leaderships?
20:34:04 <lkurusa> gnokii, excuse me?
20:34:17 <sesivany> guys, let's follow the protocol.
20:34:19 <GITNE> sesivany: besides, fedora has a different level of prevalence in every country
20:34:44 <sesivany> let's discuss the leadership further on the mailing list.
20:34:56 <sesivany> and please avoid any side notes.
20:35:05 <sesivany> now requests
20:35:10 <GITNE> ok, sorry
20:35:28 <sesivany> any tickets still waiting for approval?
20:35:34 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, I need
20:35:38 <lupinix> yes
20:35:52 <lupinix> #496 and #502 for FrOSCon
20:36:15 <thunderbirdtr> #498 for me
20:36:15 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: you mean #498, right?
20:36:19 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, yes
20:36:31 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, I have to in 8 days and I didn't give respond because of this
20:36:37 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, If It's gonna be accepted
20:36:39 <sesivany> #info Funding request for BalCCon 2k15 - #498
20:36:50 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/498
20:37:01 <robyduck> didn't we approve this via ML?
20:37:17 <gnokii> ++
20:37:24 <thunderbirdtr> robyduck, well ... I can't confirm it because there is last comment for that..
20:37:38 <thunderbirdtr> please check re-confirm so I can move on that
20:37:39 <sesivany> robyduck: looks like guys were getting votes all over the place, the ticket only has 3 votes.
20:38:12 <robyduck> we had more than 5 votes on the list
20:38:18 <thunderbirdtr> robyduck, +1
20:38:19 <robyduck> even for 1100
20:38:33 * lupinix voted +1 for this
20:38:35 <robyduck> so I don't see any need to vote again
20:38:36 <sesivany> ok, let's consider it confirmed.
20:39:00 <sesivany> #agreed The ticket #498 has been approved by enough votes on the mailing list.
20:39:15 <robyduck> we have funds left we didn't spend this year, so I thin even 1100 is ok
20:39:20 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, thank you
20:39:30 <robyduck> s/thin/think
20:39:44 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, so I can do the tickets and send mail to Event owners for other preparation for us.
20:39:53 <sesivany> but we need to learn some lesson from this: 1. we need to have a clear plan and budget enough time before the event, 2. please need to apply for expense approval soon enough.
20:39:53 <robyduck> thunderbirdtr: good luck, we need fresh blood from there ;)
20:40:04 <thunderbirdtr> robyduck, there is gonna be :)
20:40:13 <thunderbirdtr> robyduck, thanks for good luck :)
20:40:21 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: yes, I will make a confirmation in the ticket for jsimon.
20:40:37 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
20:40:41 <FedoraUser> thunderbirdtr, no need for email, I am here :)
20:41:07 <thunderbirdtr> FedoraUser, :) awesome
20:41:20 <sesivany> next time I'd like to see some plan and reasoning behind it because $1100 is quite a lot for an event we're participating in for the first time.
20:41:32 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, sorry for delaying
20:41:39 <sesivany> but let's move on for now.
20:42:27 <sesivany> #info Funding request for FrOSCon 2015 - #496
20:42:35 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/496
20:42:49 <lupinix> i think this can be done in combination with #502
20:43:16 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/502
20:43:19 <lupinix> #496 is hotel room for gnokii and me, train ticket for me
20:43:19 <sesivany> ok then
20:43:29 <lupinix> #502 is travel for gnokii
20:43:45 <sesivany> FrosCon had a plan, budget, this is within it, I don't see a problem.
20:43:49 <sesivany> +1
20:44:21 * lupinix is not voting for his own ticket
20:44:26 <FedoraUser> +1
20:44:29 <robyduck> 420 total amount, planned was 2000? +1
20:44:33 <mitzie> +1
20:44:35 <gnokii> yeah sesivany but the event owner says nothing to it :)
20:44:54 <gnokii> ++
20:45:00 <robyduck> we need one vote more
20:45:31 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:45:32 <sesivany> robyduck: yeah, that's why we can afford to spend $1100 on BalCCon which didn't have any budget planned originally.
20:45:39 <rsc_> +1
20:45:50 <gnokii> said so on ML
20:45:57 <robyduck> sesivany: even because of Pycon IT :(
20:46:08 <sesivany> #agreed Tickets #496 and #502 has been approved.
20:46:26 <sesivany> robyduck: Pycon CZ might take some of that money ;-)
20:46:34 <robyduck> cool
20:46:37 <lupinix> thank you :) i'll report on events later
20:47:07 <gnokii> FrOSCon needs a new event owner next year
20:47:30 <sesivany> gnokii: lupinix perhaps?
20:47:37 <gnokii> ++
20:48:06 <lupinix> maybe, depends on my situation then (i'll finish my study and start with a real job)
20:48:12 <sesivany> I think we have covered all requests, haven't we?
20:48:22 * lupinix takes a look again
20:49:04 <lupinix> looks like we are done
20:49:32 <sesivany> last call, have your ticket approved or be quiet forever :)
20:49:40 <FedoraUser> :)
20:49:47 <sesivany> ok, looks like we're really done.
20:50:11 <sesivany> #topic Ambassador's schedule
20:50:26 <sesivany> I can't find a link to the schedule.
20:50:47 <FedoraUser> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:50:51 <sesivany> but our prime time is coming, the release is just one and half month away.
20:51:02 <sesivany> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:51:04 <sesivany> thanks
20:51:23 <sesivany> we should start preparing swag.
20:51:45 <sesivany> I will make sure we have enough of the standard stuff - stickers, badges, case badges,...
20:52:05 <sesivany> we should make some t-shirts for contributors.
20:52:09 <sesivany> gnokii: any ideas?
20:52:18 <mitzie> +1 for t-shirts
20:52:28 <sesivany> I gave that task to Maria, but if you have a good idea...
20:52:39 <gnokii> sesivany: can we talk seperately about that?
20:52:39 <Mohamed_Fawzy> sesivany: i dont have any swags :(
20:53:28 <Mohamed_Fawzy> +1 for tshirts
20:53:28 <sesivany> Mohamed_Fawzy: nothing from Diaa Radwan?
20:53:52 <Mohamed_Fawzy> sesivany: swag is in dubai he didnt come yet
20:54:10 <sesivany> :(
20:54:27 <sesivany> I'd also like to produce t-shirts for users.
20:54:33 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will chat him :D
20:54:36 <gnokii> from dubai to where?
20:54:46 <Mohamed_Fawzy> Egypt
20:54:54 <Mohamed_Fawzy> +1 for tshirts
20:54:58 <GITNE> +1 to t-shirts
20:54:58 <GITNE> but is this stuff for any particular fedora release?
20:55:01 <sesivany> we would have a couple of dozen of t-shirts for larger events and we would give them to loyal users etc.
20:55:13 <lupinix> sesivany: sounds nice
20:55:20 <lkurusa> +1 on the Tshirt proposal
20:55:25 <lupinix> openSUSE people did that @FrOSCon too bzw
20:55:27 <lupinix> *btw
20:55:36 <sesivany> GITNE: doesn't have to be, since we haven't had codenames, it's hard to do release specific stuff.
20:55:57 <sesivany> good old times with Schroedinger's Cat...
20:56:14 * lupinix got one for using open build service :D
20:56:16 <thunderbirdtr> I like cat one :))) that was a nice t-shirt
20:56:20 <GITNE> sesivany: that's good because any date or release specific swag outlives itself pretty quickly and can't be reused
20:56:34 <thunderbirdtr> lupinix, any picture for that send PM If possible :) please
20:56:36 <gnokii> sesivany: there is an internal codename
20:56:54 <sesivany> gnokii: which is? for F23?
20:57:13 <lupinix> thunderbirdtr: remind me later
20:57:14 <gnokii> sesivany: lighthouse
20:57:21 <thunderbirdtr> lupinix, okey
20:57:22 <sesivany> ah ok
20:57:32 <gnokii> thats why there is the sailor on the banners
20:58:09 <GITNE> so where do I make an order for swag?
20:58:11 <lupinix> thunderbirdtr: it's mainly the suse chameleons head
20:58:19 <sesivany> GITNE: the trac
20:58:29 <GITNE> sesivany: ah ok, thx
20:58:31 <thunderbirdtr> lupinix, gotcha
20:58:32 <sesivany> GITNE: you specify what you want, why and when.
20:58:42 <sesivany> you can check other tickets for inspiration.
20:58:48 <robyduck> is the cheatcube idea still on the table?
20:58:54 <b10n1k_> .fas b10n1k
20:58:55 <zodbot> b10n1k_: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' <jbonatakis@gmail.com> - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' <california17@gmail.com>
20:58:56 <sesivany> robyduck: I hope so.
20:59:08 <robyduck> would be nice to have some again
20:59:19 <lupinix> cheatcube would be very nice
20:59:20 <FedoraUser> afak cheatcube is being updated
20:59:21 <mitzie> +1
20:59:29 <sesivany> robyduck: I think it was fransciscoD who said was working on update.
21:00:04 <robyduck> I remember he talked about flyers...gnokii?
21:00:22 <gnokii> sesivany: robyduck he has updated it
21:00:32 <robyduck> but ok, I guess it's marketing task still
21:00:39 <sesivany> Maria should work with him on flyers of editions.
21:00:51 <robyduck> fine
21:01:02 <sesivany> FYI Maria Leonova is a new Fedora design intern in Brno office.
21:01:48 <sesivany> We're also finishing the guidebook pilot.
21:02:01 <sesivany> The content is finished, the cover almost too: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393
21:02:57 <gnokii> !
21:03:02 <sesivany> gnokii: yes?
21:03:47 <gnokii> can you please stop all open q to me, its 4 in the morning if you have a problem write me a mail
21:03:51 <gnokii> eof
21:04:37 <sesivany> ok, let's move on to Events...
21:04:51 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:05:32 * sesivany is checking the event plan
21:05:43 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/EventPlan:2016
21:06:32 <sesivany> We still don't have LinuxCon Europe covered.
21:06:48 <sesivany> I'm still waiting for a final confirmation from the Linux Foundation.
21:07:18 <sesivany> they first need to make sure they have enough room for booths of sponsors, then they can confirm a booth for us.
21:07:50 <sesivany> LinuxDays in Prague are covered.
21:08:13 <sesivany> speaking of events, we really need to start working on EMEA FAD.
21:08:40 <sesivany> we need to get a location, budget and then go to the Council/OSAS to ask for money.
21:09:00 <sesivany> considering it always takes place in December, there is not much time left.
21:09:13 <gnokii> ++
21:09:18 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
21:09:34 <sesivany> I'm always willing to organize it in Brno as a fallback option, venue would be for free.
21:09:51 <sesivany> or Miro offered Prague.
21:09:59 <gnokii> but flying there is hard
21:10:06 <mitzie> sesivany: Traditionally we host in Germany, so we should look for potential locations there first, as it's easier for most people to get there
21:10:46 <sesivany> mitzie: sure, but I don't think Gerold or Felix will want to organize it this year.
21:10:54 <lupinix> which kind of locations?
21:11:10 <robyduck> castle
21:11:18 <robyduck> :)
21:11:47 <FedoraUser> I have castle nearby :)
21:11:59 <sesivany> this one's in Germany: http://d3dswxqmrohvno.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Neuschwanstein-Castle.jpg ;-)
21:12:08 <robyduck> hahaha
21:12:11 <lupinix> :D
21:12:15 <mitzie> :P
21:12:18 <lupinix> was there some years ago
21:12:18 <FedoraUser> oh my... that would be pretty darn cool FAD
21:12:22 <lupinix> very nice :D
21:12:32 <thunderbirdtr> whos king ? :))))
21:12:46 <robyduck> sesivany of course
21:12:58 * lupinix will be there in about 3 weeks :P
21:13:03 <thunderbirdtr> robyduck, +1 :)))
21:13:21 <sesivany> so a castle would be nice, but it can be any suitable venue.
21:13:44 <sesivany> I'd love to have a decent connection finally so that we can do streaming for others who can't attend.
21:14:09 <robyduck> ok let's talk seriously, what about a deadline, let's say F23-Beta for complete bids?
21:14:15 <mitzie> +1 sesivany, last year was a disaster
21:14:26 <FedoraUser> is there a wiki page explaining a process for bids?
21:14:38 <sesivany> mitzie: any year before that was even worse.
21:14:50 <robyduck> sesivany: indeed
21:15:06 <sesivany> FedoraUser: no, this event doesn't have any formal process for bids.
21:15:15 <FedoraUser> oh ok
21:15:19 <lupinix> how many people? maybe i could ask @university
21:15:34 <robyduck> FedoraUser: EMEA FAD is traditionally a very special event for us
21:15:35 <sesivany> historically it was in Rheinfelden in a castle, remote please venue and accommodation together.
21:15:42 <sesivany> that's a pattern for the event.
21:16:08 <lupinix> 10GBit connection should be fast enough :D
21:16:09 <sesivany> s/please/place
21:17:02 <sesivany> robyduck: F23 beta as deadline sounds good.
21:17:19 <sesivany> anyone volunteering to write a call for bids?
21:17:55 <gnokii> whereever it is can we see we get connection to me have to say something this year
21:18:07 <robyduck> sesivany: on the ML? I can do if nobody else wants
21:18:19 <sesivany> robyduck: yes, on the ML.
21:18:32 * robyduck will do
21:18:35 <sesivany> robyduck: ok, looks like it's on you.
21:18:36 <mitzie> I can help sesivany with that
21:19:16 <sesivany> mitzie: ok then.
21:20:11 <sesivany> #action mitzie to write a call for bids for EMEA FAD 2015 and send it to the ambassadors mailing list, F23 beta release date should be deadline for bids.
21:20:51 <sesivany> #topic Open Floor
21:21:06 <sesivany> now we've got open floor to discuss anything.
21:21:36 <lkurusa> can I ask gnokii to please elaborate his views on hungarian ideas?
21:21:50 <lupinix> FrOSCon @august 22/23 was the forst event I attended as an ambassador, nice experience :)
21:21:52 <lkurusa> I found that at least a bit offensive
21:21:54 <lupinix> *first
21:22:35 <lupinix> what is the ratio of workstation dvds / alternate desktop dvds?
21:22:54 <FedoraUser> I believe 4:1
21:23:03 <robyduck> lkurusa: let's talk about fedora
21:23:06 <sesivany> lupinix: 2000 Workstation vs 1000 Alternative.
21:23:11 <gnokii> sure and you will get an answer, I hate separation EMEA was running so good because we acted together and I see some things happen there that are not nice
21:23:17 <lkurusa> robyduck, I assume it is fedora related
21:23:25 <lkurusa> (since he wrote it into this channel)
21:23:35 <robyduck> sesivany: btw we'll have another spin for F23, so the alternative DVD should contain that too
21:23:35 <lupinix> many people asked for non-GNOME desktops, so we gave all alternate dvds away but i still have some workstation dvds
21:23:48 <lupinix> robyduck: cinnamon?
21:23:58 <robyduck> filing a ticket for that doesn't hurt
21:24:09 <robyduck> lupinix: yes
21:24:33 <sesivany> yes, we can put cinnamon on the alternative desktop DVD.
21:24:37 <robyduck> not sure if we they all fit on the DVD
21:24:51 * robyduck needs to check, but releng needs a ticket
21:24:52 <sesivany> the questions as always is if we want to continue producing DVDs...
21:24:59 <gnokii> lupinix: yeah but we had not 4:1 alternate available we had around 20 alternate and 200 workstation
21:25:04 <robyduck> yeh, right
21:25:08 <lupinix> gnokii: thats true…
21:25:17 <Mohamed_Fawzy> sesivany: why we still use dvds
21:25:19 <lkurusa> gnokii, I don't see how this is related to hungarian ideas? did somebody from the team have any idea to separate EMEA or what? I don't understand
21:25:24 <robyduck> but I don/t see any non-expensive alternatives right now
21:25:30 <Mohamed_Fawzy> many new device not support it
21:25:45 <lkurusa> Mohamed_Fawzy, other alternatives are less supported or a lot more expensive
21:25:52 <gnokii> lkurusa: yes it starts with from "the team"
21:25:54 <lupinix> Mohamed_Fawzy: +1 many users told us that a dvd is quite useless for them
21:26:15 <Mohamed_Fawzy> here i use usb more than dvds
21:26:15 <lupinix> so for some of them i wrote fedora to their usb stick using live usb creator
21:26:24 <sesivany> lkurusa: thunderbiardtr said that earlier in this meeting, maybe gnokii thought he was from Hungary.
21:26:29 <FedoraUser> perhaps we need to evaluate how many leftover dvd's we have and if more expensive media produced in lower numbers may be an option
21:26:37 <gnokii> lupinix: Mohamed_Fawzy that was and is discussed always and we cant afford usb sticks
21:26:58 <lkurusa> sesivany, still I think we can expect some minimal manners... like elaborating and avoiding swear words
21:27:36 <lupinix> the about 50 fedora 23 dvds i still have wo go away when I start my python course :D
21:27:39 <sesivany> Mohamed_Fawzy: it's not only about price, yesterday I had to prepare 20 usb sticks with Fedora and it took ages.
21:27:45 <lupinix> *will
21:27:59 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany,  that doesn't mean has to be rude ..
21:28:51 <gnokii> thunderbirdtr: just one question how many ambassadors are there in turkey?
21:29:07 <thunderbirdtr> gnokii, active 3
21:29:15 <gnokii> active 3?
21:29:25 <lkurusa> if he doesn't agree, fine, let's discuss. but saying something like that is useless and rude
21:29:43 <gnokii> I must be blind never did read from their activity on ML or saw them in meeting
21:29:56 <sesivany> ok guys, I'm ending this meeting, let's not use the open floor to fight each other.
21:30:09 <lupinix> my idea after FrOSCon was: how about some kind of fedora demo instead of giving media away and say "have fun"?
21:30:10 <sesivany> thank you for attending and see you in 2 weeks!
21:30:17 <lkurusa> I just don't like when somebody is being rude without any reason
21:30:18 <taquilla> see you!
21:30:19 <GITNE> gnokii: what about sd cards as a medium? isn't that cheaper and more common today? most laptos have sd card reads...
21:30:23 <lkurusa> that's not the Fedora I kno
21:30:24 <b10n1k_> buy
21:30:28 <sesivany> I think there is some meeting to start now anyway.
21:30:29 <lkurusa> see you guys
21:30:39 <thunderbirdtr> good night everyone
21:30:41 <lupinix> bya
21:30:44 <lupinix> *bye
21:30:46 <Mohamed_Fawzy> sesivany: it is ok but any way i use mine but i need usb with fedora logo on it just 2 or 3 :D
21:30:51 <mitzie> goodnight!
21:30:51 <gnokii> GITNE: we looked for it its still more expensive
21:30:52 <robyduck> see you and thx sesivany
21:30:52 <lkurusa> gnokii, thunderbirdtr we can continue
21:30:55 <FedoraUser> good night ;)
21:30:57 <lkurusa> on a channel or something
21:30:58 <sesivany> #endmeeting