04:30:35 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
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04:30:46 <juhp> hi
04:30:54 <mfabian> Hi!
04:31:00 <Satya> hi
04:31:07 <pravins> hi mfabian juhp Satya :)
04:31:12 <tagoh_> hi
04:31:13 <apeter> hi :)
04:31:42 <pravins> anyone else here?
04:31:58 <paragan> hi
04:32:03 <fujiwarat> hi
04:32:13 <pravins> hi paragan apeter fujiwarat :)
04:32:17 <epico> hi
04:32:24 <pravins> ok, lets start. I think we will have quick meeting today.
04:32:28 <pravins> hi epico :)
04:32:38 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
04:32:38 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-08-12
04:32:43 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
04:32:57 <pravins> #info 2015-08-25   Software Translation Deadline
04:32:57 <pravins> #info 2015-09-08 	Beta Freeze (*)
04:32:57 <pravins> #info 2015-09-08   Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
04:32:57 <pravins> #info 2015-09-22 	Beta Release
04:32:57 <pravins> #info 2015-10-13 	Final Freeze (*)
04:32:58 <pravins> #info 2015-10-27 	Fedora 23 Final Release
04:33:25 <pravins> Translation deadline just 2 weeks away.
04:34:02 <pravins> #topic G11N FAD in 2015
04:34:06 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
04:35:17 <pravins> no update on this. I commented on council ticket for getting update on budget ASAP
04:35:33 <pravins> from today flock is going to start, so not sure if we can get update in this week.
04:35:46 <pravins> any other comments for FAD?
04:36:02 <apeter> hi aeng :)
04:36:08 <aeng> hi apeter
04:36:14 <aeng> sorry being late, please continue
04:36:22 <apeter> pravins lets wait :)
04:36:35 <apeter> np aeng
04:36:37 <pravins> aeng: no problem :)
04:37:44 <pravins> We worked last week on rough schedule draft.
04:38:01 <apeter> ok
04:38:38 <pravins> #link https://ethercalc.org/g6f8rg28bz
04:38:51 <pravins> If you have any ideas feel free to edit page :)
04:39:29 <aeng> pravins: any news from council on FAD?
04:39:58 <pravins> aeng: nope, i have commented on ticket to get update soon. from today 12-15 its flock so looks difficult.
04:40:30 <aeng> yup. Let see if we can update after Flock
04:40:52 <pravins> sure.
04:41:01 <pravins> #topic #3: Zanata translation platform user survey
04:41:06 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/3
04:41:10 <apeter> thanks for the link pravin, will check and see if anything more to be added
04:41:21 <pravins> apeter: yeah, that will be nice :)
04:41:26 <apeter> :)
04:41:31 <pravins> We had meeting last week for survey initial discussions.
04:41:56 <apeter> yes. Lukebrooker is working on the survey draft
04:42:14 <apeter> my next meeting looks like we will have the survey form ready :)
04:42:16 <aeng> luke is still working on the survey. I will get him update the ticket tomorrow. (its public holiday today in BNE)
04:42:34 <apeter> cool.. that would be great aeng
04:42:42 <apeter> thanks :)
04:42:56 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/g11n/2015-July/000033.html
04:43:17 <pravins> aeng: thanks for update. Yeah lets see if we can do it by next month.
04:43:30 <pravins> lets move to next topic
04:43:33 <pravins> #topic G11N infrastructure requirements
04:43:33 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/1
04:44:16 <pravins> aeng has updated Trac page. https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/
04:44:19 <pravins> its looks very nice now.
04:44:37 <aeng> Feel free to put more information there.
04:44:45 <pravins> yeah, we need some more.
04:45:06 <pravins> i have drafted few points for Fedora Wiki. Will create page soon.
04:45:27 <aeng> perhaps more heading/title/section, then we can start putting relevant information in.
04:45:37 <apeter> we are also getting feedback on FLTG pages to be updated.
04:45:39 <paragan> we got some suggestions that fltg wiki pages need to be update
04:45:48 <paragan> :)
04:45:50 <apeter> paragan, :)
04:45:52 <pravins> exactly. once we have structure ready we can improve it.
04:46:10 <aeng> +1
04:46:13 <apeter> yup.. so will have to work on that too.. infact its a long pending task
04:46:28 <pravins> apeter: paragan yeah, we need to improve it and cleaning before test day will be more helpful.
04:46:48 <apeter> sure pravins will do that. Am glad to get more and more feedback :)
04:46:55 <pravins> #info We need cleanup for L10N and FLTG Fedora wiki pages.
04:47:03 <pravins> apeter: will definitely get this time.
04:47:07 <pravins> :)
04:47:12 <apeter> :)
04:47:17 <pravins> and we are in last topic
04:47:23 <pravins> #topic Localization test day for Fedora 23
04:47:23 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/1
04:47:29 <pravins> L10n test day https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/473
04:48:01 <pravins> very less time left for this. Are we ready for test day?
04:48:12 <apeter> yup we are getting ready :)
04:48:55 <apeter> have filed a ticket for the ISO. but not sure about it as its the flock week now and the test day is on 18th Aug. Ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6229
04:49:00 <noriko> apeter, where is the page?
04:49:24 <apeter> noriko, preparing the same will pass the link shortly :)
04:49:44 <apeter> Meanwhile created the draft of new application list
04:49:45 <apeter> http://piratepad.net/Fedora23-L10n-Testing-Application-List
04:50:11 <apeter> please have a look all
04:50:17 <pravins> apeter: nice. lets have quick look to it.
04:50:50 <apeter> once this package list is finalized we can update/create test cases accordingly and send out the details
04:51:39 <noriko> apeter, I have tier1 list which is built for mainly rhel but i think works for fedora as well.
04:51:48 <noriko> would you like to see it?
04:52:22 <apeter> I have it :)
04:52:45 <pravins> noriko: thanks for preparing it. very helpful.
04:53:38 <pravins> can we have complete list of packages at single place? may be we can send it to devel list and ask for feedback ?
04:53:48 <pravins> very less time though but no harm in involving more people
04:53:54 <apeter> pravins, shall prepare the whole list after this meeting
04:54:07 <apeter> meanwhile please have a look on the new packages - whether to add them or not
04:54:51 <pravins> apeter: great :)
04:55:35 <apeter> I have a doubt whether python-blivet and python-meh is required
04:55:40 <apeter> appreciate your comments :)
04:55:59 <noriko> why doubt?
04:56:46 <pravins> noriko: like should those be in Frequently used or not? or simply ignore them.
04:56:46 <apeter> as am not sure about the packages:)
04:57:15 <aeng> I've put Zanata link in some of the packages..
04:57:28 <apeter> thanks aeng :)
04:58:01 <apeter> is blivet and python-blivet same ?
04:58:08 <noriko> yes same
04:59:45 <pravins> blivet gui make more sense.
04:59:50 <noriko> if those UI can be QA'd, it would be good to include, no?
05:00:48 <apeter> yes
05:00:54 <pravins> noriko: yes.
05:00:57 <apeter> :)
05:01:01 <noriko> :)
05:02:00 <apeter> if all are okay with the other new packges I shall finalise the list and update the wiki page in a while :)
05:02:20 <pravins> apeter: replace python-blivet with blivet-gui
05:02:30 <pravins> only that is comment
05:02:38 <apeter> okay will do that
05:03:02 <noriko> pravins, apeter, I am not sure if PAM is worth to include here.
05:03:03 <aeng> not sure about the link for systemd and policyKit
05:03:53 <noriko> any pkg not appeared on fedora.zanata.org would not be ready to accept translation.
05:03:56 <apeter> noriko,  is it? waiting for others to comment
05:03:59 <paragan> include it, we need pam
05:04:09 <apeter> paragan, okies
05:04:17 <noriko> paragan, even include it, they do not take our translation atm.
05:04:26 <pravins> noriko: good point !!
05:04:27 <apeter> ah okay
05:04:42 <pravins> this bring one point to
05:04:45 <pravins> do we have guidelines for selecting packages for L10N?
05:04:56 <noriko> I know pam is important, but for security reason they do not use our translation atm.
05:05:05 <apeter> so in that case should we add such packages for testing ?
05:06:13 <pravins> I think we can ignore it.
05:06:27 <apeter> so what about systemd and policykit
05:06:32 <pravins> will just add them in bottom list and mention not ready for L10N.
05:07:01 <aeng> I can't find anything in fedora.zanata.org.. unless it uses different name
05:07:31 <noriko> apeter, here brief idea can be found for pkg why not on fedora.zanata.org
05:07:37 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Packages_To_Migrate
05:07:56 * apeter checking
05:08:10 <aeng> both not in the list
05:08:41 <pravins> noriko: nice list :)
05:09:42 <apeter> cannot find systemd and policykit here :(
05:09:53 <noriko> some memo said policykit replaced with usermode
05:09:54 <apeter> any other names for these packages
05:10:05 <noriko> usermode can be found on fedora.zanata.org
05:10:16 <apeter> ah cool.. now that makes sense
05:10:22 <noriko> systemd, I requested the maintainer to create on fedora.zanata.
05:10:25 <noriko> this is new pkg.
05:10:43 <pravins> noriko: what does mean by "Archived" in list?
05:11:08 <pravins> archived in Zanata?
05:11:08 <noriko> ah!
05:11:10 <apeter> looks like we can omit usermode
05:11:15 <noriko> it means closed transifex side.
05:11:20 <noriko> hide transifex.
05:11:23 <aeng> archived  == deleted
05:11:35 <pravins> aeng: deleted from Zanata?
05:11:38 <noriko> umm, yes no, it can be restored so not delete.
05:11:48 <aeng> soft delete..
05:11:57 <noriko> archived at transifex side to avoid duplicate.
05:12:11 <apeter> okay so can restore them when needed ?
05:12:18 <aeng> noriko: keep in mind in 3.7, all archived project/version will be hidden altogether and wont be able to restore antymore
05:12:37 <noriko> sure, aeng
05:12:41 <aeng> we should use read only- for locking project/version
05:12:51 <noriko> guys here 'archived' in the list is talking about transifex, not zanta.
05:13:03 <aeng> ah..
05:13:07 <apeter> oh
05:13:19 <pravins> #info Zanata 3.7 all archived project/version will be hidden and wont be able to restore anymore.
05:13:33 <pravins> #info Should use read-only for locking project/version
05:14:28 <pravins> noriko: may be good to add some information above table ;)
05:14:41 <noriko> pravins, yea, will do
05:14:48 <pravins> thanks :)
05:14:51 <apeter> so removing systemd and usermode/policykit
05:14:53 <apeter> thanks guys
05:15:08 <pravins> i liked table, its has good information. !!
05:15:15 <apeter> me too
05:15:15 <noriko> apeter, include usermode, remove policykit
05:16:05 <apeter> noriko, table says usermode is undecided and shows dead and deprecated :(
05:16:07 <noriko> and prob remove systemd for a while till new project is created on zanata?!
05:16:16 <noriko> wha!
05:16:43 <apeter> hence thought to remove it...
05:17:00 <noriko> hum... true... when I checked no on respond, so I appended '?'.
05:17:34 <noriko> apeter, will contact Miloslav for clarification.
05:17:45 <noriko> the owner of usermode on feodra.zanat
05:17:54 <apeter> noriko, cool. so will remove systemd and keep usermode on hold
05:17:55 <apeter> :)
05:18:02 <noriko> yp, thanks
05:18:03 <pravins> yeah, looks good.
05:18:11 <apeter> once I have your clarification will add/remove :)
05:18:14 <apeter> thanks again noriko
05:18:46 <noriko> np
05:18:49 <pravins> what are remaining things for Test day? lets add action items
05:19:21 <apeter> * Prepare test cases for the new packages
05:19:39 <apeter> * Prepare the test day wiki and test day app
05:19:55 <apeter> * Waiting for ISO update from the rel-engineering team
05:20:17 <apeter> * Communicate to the translators on the test page details
05:20:30 <apeter> By this friday everything to be completed :)
05:20:47 <aeng> thats a huge task
05:20:49 <apeter> please poke me if I missed out anything :)
05:21:09 <pravins> Since this is flock time, most of the Fedora contributors and active people are in conference. I dont think so we will get much response
05:21:23 <noriko> apeter, thank you so much for taking care all those important tasks for this big event!
05:21:24 <pravins> but lets keep things ready and ask people to test when they will be back.
05:21:49 <apeter> pravins we can keep the test day open for one week
05:22:00 <pravins> +1
05:22:05 <noriko> +1
05:22:05 <apeter> thats how do usually so that people can come and do the testing
05:22:25 <noriko> are we going to open fltg channel for support?
05:22:52 <apeter> aeng, the old packages we have the test cases ready. its only the new packages we need to create the test cases. And these test cases are for translation so its fine
05:22:57 <pravins> noriko: no, test day happens on #fedora-test-day
05:23:44 <apeter> noriko, usually we have #fedora-test-day channel open for the test day support
05:23:49 <pravins> then once everything is ready, put email for checking to all members
05:23:51 <apeter> pravins yes
05:24:00 <aeng> just if I'm visiting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FLTG, there's only #fedora-fltg mentioned
05:24:02 <apeter> do we want to change this?
05:24:07 <noriko> oh, ok, not fltg channel but fedora-test-day channel, good :-)
05:24:12 <apeter> noriko, :)
05:24:17 <pravins> ohh, still it says #fedora-fltg :(
05:24:40 <apeter> aeng, all test day pages has #fedora-test-day channel mentioned
05:25:04 <apeter> fltg wiki still has fedora-fltg. need to add fedora-g11n :)
05:25:07 <aeng> I think its best if its mentioned in the FLTG wiki page
05:25:18 <apeter> Will update the wiki pages :)
05:25:27 <apeter> aeng, okay will do that :)
05:25:29 <pravins> +1
05:25:33 <apeter> noted :)
05:26:02 <pravins> we have lots of todo already. lets move to open floor topic now :)
05:26:04 <apeter> please keep an eye on all the wiki pages and feel free to make changes where required
05:26:21 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
05:26:41 <pravins> anything we missed in today discussions?
05:26:49 <pravins> any new topic?
05:27:21 <apeter> my head is filled with to dos, no new topic I can think of now ;)
05:27:33 <aeng> lol
05:27:43 <apeter> :)
05:28:11 <pravins> lets close meeting.
05:28:15 <pravins> thanks all for nice meeting :)
05:28:17 <aeng> thanks guys
05:28:22 <pravins> #endmeeting