04:30:40 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
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04:30:47 <pravins> #meetingname g11n
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04:30:52 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
04:30:57 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-07-29
04:31:22 <tagoh_> hi
04:31:26 <aeng> hi
04:31:26 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
04:31:40 <juhp> hi
04:31:47 <pravins> who else available for meeting today?
04:31:53 <pravins> hi aeng juhp :)
04:31:54 <paragan> hi
04:32:03 <epico> hi
04:32:13 <pravins> hi paragan epico :)
04:32:23 <ani> hi
04:32:32 <pravins> Lets start
04:32:36 <pravins> hi ani :)
04:32:42 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
04:32:52 <pravins> #info 2015-08-11 	Alpha Release
04:32:52 <pravins> #info 2015-08-25 	Software Translation Deadline
04:32:52 <pravins> #info 2015-09-08 	Beta Freeze (*)
04:33:11 <pravins> Alpha freeze was yesterday.
04:33:37 <pravins> Anyone did testing of TC?
04:33:47 <juhp> I have installed TC2
04:34:07 <paragan> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_Alpha_TC2/
04:34:10 <pravins> looking good?
04:35:22 <juhp> one thing I noticed: gnome-initial-setup doesn't default to kkc IME for ja for example
04:35:34 <juhp> didn't it for F22?
04:35:40 <juhp> maybe not
04:36:43 <juhp> overall seems to be working okay
04:36:55 <pravins> nice. I will also try to test.
04:36:58 <juhp> I did a Live install - no wayland though afaict
04:37:02 <juhp> on kvm
04:37:21 <juhp> I'll try booting it on a usb stick...
04:37:51 <pravins> Its alpha, so might be will get more work after alpha release :)
04:37:59 <pravins> lets move to next topic.
04:38:06 <pravins> #topic G11N FAD
04:38:11 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
04:38:32 <pravins> Few updates on this.
04:39:24 <pravins> We mentioned this in last i18n meeting. Council is happy to execute our FAD.
04:40:06 <pravins> only issue is our requested budget is bit more than traditionally allocated budget for FAD. ($5000 usual and we asked for $7000)
04:40:24 <pravins> council working on OSAS team to get information on available budget.
04:40:53 <pravins> hopefully by next Monday we will get information on exact budget information. Then we can proceed ahead for schedule planning.
04:40:58 <pravins> Aslo second update is
04:41:11 <pravins> We got approval from RH G11N for accommodation support :)
04:41:27 <pravins> any other idea's on FAD?
04:41:40 <aeng> FYI, we are still waiting for last confirmation gtom RH G11N
04:41:55 <ani> hey thats really cool... thanks pravin for the update :)
04:41:58 <aeng> but we got verbal approval
04:42:05 <ani> nice :)
04:42:38 <pravins> aeng: verbal is also motivating :)
04:42:46 <ani> :)
04:44:46 <pravins> aeng: do you think we can get some more participants from OpenStask for Fedora FAD? though we cant provide accommodation support though
04:44:52 <pravins> but if they are interested.
04:45:07 <juhp> good question
04:45:42 <aeng> I would say yes, if they are interested in participating, since we got the venue and everything.
04:45:44 <ani> hey thats a good idea
04:46:21 <aeng> obviously make it clear that no sponsor in terms of accommodation and travel
04:46:37 <pravins> I think once we have agenda/schedule ready may be we can use it to create awareness.
04:46:42 <aeng> but make sure we room big enough
04:46:50 <juhp> also we're thinking maybe to do the FAD say 1-3 Nov (Sun-Tue: Tue is a holiday) since that would allow more people to participate outside work
04:46:51 <aeng> i meant the room
04:47:25 <juhp> tagoh_, can you find a room for the Monday?
04:47:57 <tagoh_> juhp: sure
04:48:11 <pravins> #idea Can we get contributors from OpenStack for Fedora FAD
04:48:31 <pravins> even i think good to do tentative booking for now.
04:49:34 <ani> +1
04:49:47 <pravins> I am not sure how big Tokyo office is but good to have couple of small rooms also available for breakout sessions. After schedule it will be more clear though.
04:49:52 <tagoh_> juhp: ah, hmm, well, there are the internal meeting in biggest room every Monday so if possible, we should avoid it
04:51:42 <ani> tagoh_, is there any other option? or maybe we book first and allocate the room for us ? :)
04:51:51 <pravins> aeng: what do you think about 1-3 Nov?
04:52:42 <tagoh_> pravins: max capacity is about 60 though, we could have more if settings seats tightly
04:52:44 <juhp> we can discuss the room(s) later
04:52:46 <aeng> whats was the previous date?
04:53:04 <juhp> tagoh_, that should should be plenty I think
04:53:11 <juhp> aeng, 2-4
04:53:12 <pravins> tagoh_: wow, thats great. thanks for info :)
04:53:24 <pravins> juggler: sure, lets discuss this in next meeting.
04:53:24 <aeng> yeah, 1-3 sounds good to me
04:54:28 <pravins> what does other feel about 1-3?
04:54:49 <aeng> its sunday, monday(public holiday), and tuesday
04:54:53 <pravins> only advantage can be people attending OpenStack can take one day rest and join FAD.
04:55:23 <anish_> Hi
04:55:33 <aeng> correction: sunday, monday, and tuesday(public hol)
04:56:09 <juhp> pravins, right instead of 2 days break
04:56:28 <aeng> everyone agree on 1-3 Nov?
04:56:39 <paragan> yeah ok
04:57:39 <anish_> okay
04:57:50 <pravins> how do you think tagoh_ fujiwarat about it?
04:58:10 <fujiwarat> Sounds good.
04:58:42 <pravins> great.
04:58:43 <tagoh_> pravins: hmm, may be hard to book the room Monday
04:59:01 <pravins> May be Monday we can do breakout session in small rooms.
04:59:12 <pravins> Sunday we will have general discussions.
04:59:18 <pravins> Will plan sessions accordingly.
04:59:31 <anish_> cool
04:59:42 <pravins> nice. everyone seems to agree.
05:00:13 <pravins> #agreed Move Fedora FAD dates from 2-4 Nov to 1-3 November.
05:00:25 <pravins> lets move to next topic
05:00:34 <pravins> #topic Zanata feedback survey
05:01:06 <pravins> ani: any progress on same?
05:01:27 <ani> We have initiated the discussion and will be meeting with lukebroo_ aeng  this week to work on this
05:01:52 <aeng> +1
05:02:04 <ani> so by next meeting we will have a firm plan and more to discuss on this item
05:02:56 <aeng> ani, do you want me setup something?
05:03:01 <aeng> meeting
05:03:11 <ani> aeng, yeah lets setup a meeting tomorrow ?
05:03:22 <aeng> alright, i will send out something later today
05:03:42 <ani> cool .. shall look forward for it :)
05:03:50 <pravins> are you planning for phone or irc meeting?
05:04:10 <aeng> irc should be enough i think for the time being
05:04:21 <pravins> great.
05:04:24 <aeng> what do you think ani?
05:04:26 <ani> aeng, agree.. to start with lets have an irc meeting and then lets see
05:04:28 <pravins> how about doing it on #fedora-g11n?
05:04:35 <pravins> yeah irc will be nice.
05:04:45 <ani> +1
05:04:59 <aeng> yup. might need ani to drive the bot is needed to
05:05:05 <aeng> if needed to
05:05:25 <ani> okies
05:05:28 <pravins> great.
05:06:03 <pravins> #action ani aeng setup meeting 30th jul to discuss on zanata survey. Meeting on #fedora-g11n.
05:06:19 <pravins> #topic L10N sprints based on F23
05:06:45 <pravins> dunno when we can execute it. But i feels we are not that much ready for it.
05:07:34 <ani> With the current schedule, work load and missing information guess we will not have time for L10n sprint/workshop this release. Lets plan for F24. We can have discussion and an action plan during our FAD I guess
05:07:51 <ani> what say guys ?
05:08:10 <pravins> +1
05:08:45 <pravins> sprint planning will definitely take good time. So yeah sometime for F24 looks good.
05:09:31 <pravins> #agreed We will have L10N sprint for Fedora.
05:10:23 <pravins> noriko: hi :)
05:10:24 <pravins> #topic Translation deadline around Beta
05:10:40 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/2
05:11:08 <pravins> noriko: thanks for your email to list.
05:11:44 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/g11n/2015-July/000019.html
05:11:52 <noriko> pravins, thanks for creating the ticket.
05:12:18 <noriko> I will add the detailed proposal sent previously by post
05:12:43 <pravins> good to have wiki page for proposal.
05:13:23 <noriko> aha, k will do
05:13:37 <pravins> Also i feel it will be difficult to update schedule for F23.
05:13:45 <pravins> what do you paragan ?
05:14:24 <paragan> If there is any proposal to change schedule then please file a ticket to fesco trac along with relevant details
05:14:50 <pravins> good point.
05:15:21 <pravins> noriko: so we will need two level discussion one at G11N and once we come up with some good proposal then we can raise with FESCO to get that reflected in F24 schedule.
05:15:31 <ani> +1
05:16:02 <noriko> pravins, good good
05:16:03 <pravins> #info We will need fesco ticket for updating deadlines for L10N.
05:16:22 <juhp> good
05:16:28 <pravins> for now lets come up with proposal, debate on it here.
05:16:48 <pravins> and then proceed for FESCO
05:16:51 <ani> okay
05:17:02 <pravins> noriko: can you prepare Fedora wiki page for proposal?
05:18:45 <pravins> #action Create Wiki for updating Fedora L10n deadlines around Beta release.
05:18:51 <pravins> lets move to next topic
05:18:54 <pravins> #topic G11N Infrastructure (IRC, Wiki and Ticket etc.)
05:19:09 <pravins> We have trac instance running now for G11N
05:19:23 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/
05:20:05 <pravins> tagoh_ and noriko are also admin for trac.
05:20:24 <ani> hey thats cool :)
05:20:36 <pravins> ani: yeah, now we can keep trac for all our topics :_
05:20:38 <pravins> :)
05:20:42 <ani> :)
05:20:51 <pravins> it will also help for planning G11N FAD stuff.
05:21:00 <pravins> only thing remaining now is Wiki for G11N.
05:21:24 <pravins> anyone would like to participate in it?
05:21:45 <aeng> whats is that for?
05:22:03 <pravins> aeng: We do not have Fedora Wiki page for Globalization
05:22:07 <aeng> oh
05:22:29 <pravins> need to add basic information there. at least pointers to other available Wiki from Fedora G11N wiki.
05:22:31 <aeng> so whats the participation for?
05:22:38 <pravins> creating content for it.
05:23:13 <noriko> pravins,
05:23:25 <pravins> something like What we do, how to contact, how to contribute etc. active project.
05:23:51 <noriko> I'm bit worry to creating new stuff too much, leaving actually people behind...
05:24:20 <pravins> good point. !!
05:24:51 <pravins> In most cases we will just try to redirect people to pages we already have.
05:25:04 <pravins> like for I18N just move people to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N
05:25:14 <noriko> oh, c, good idea.
05:25:23 <pravins> for L10n just provide link for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
05:25:37 <pravins> we need basic page with basic details :)
05:25:57 <pravins> noriko: may be you can help into it for reviewing L10n content
05:26:05 <pravins> aeng: may be you can help for Zanata content stuff?
05:26:19 <aeng> yeah, i can spend sometime formatting it
05:26:30 <pravins> excellent. !!
05:26:58 <pravins> #action aeng noriko and pravins will work on creating Wiki for Fedora G11N.
05:27:11 <ani> Nice :)
05:27:26 <pravins> We have one more topic.
05:27:30 <pravins> that is L10n test day.
05:27:39 <pravins> #topic FLTG revive plan for Fedora 23
05:27:49 <pravins> L10n test day https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/473
05:28:26 <pravins> what things are remaining for test day?
05:28:37 <ani> We need to finalise the application list for testing. ie, remove obsolete packages and add new packages. Then create test case for the new packages. I have sent a mail for the same. We need to have an exclusive meeting for this work. Test day is Aug 18th
05:28:55 <ani> *cases
05:29:15 <ani> This week sometime or early next week we need to finalise this
05:29:18 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/g11n/2015-July/000022.html
05:29:56 <pravins> ani: in last i18n meeting Satya was proposing some day for preparing test cases or checking readiness for testing day.
05:30:09 <pravins> he mentioned will first work for L10N and then for I18N stuff.
05:30:18 <ani> okay will check with him and finalise the meeting date
05:30:39 <pravins> sure. :)
05:30:45 <ani> cool..
05:30:54 <pravins> moving to last topic.
05:30:56 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
05:31:49 <pravins> any topic we missed?
05:32:33 <pravins> if not lets close in couple of minutes.
05:33:32 <ani> guess we have covered everything.. nothing I can think of now
05:33:32 <ani> :)
05:33:40 <pravins> yes
05:33:59 <pravins> Thanks all for meeting !!
05:34:01 <pravins> #endmeeting