15:01:07 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:01:11 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:14 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:01:23 * kparal is here
15:01:25 <adamw> I say, I say, is there a chap named Roll in here?
15:02:26 * Roll_ is here
15:02:38 * brunowolff is here
15:02:47 <Roll_> damn, I got an underscore
15:02:59 <adamw> nice.
15:03:11 <adamw> well, looks like that's everything...=)
15:03:41 <randomuser> adamw, you are a bagel
15:03:59 <adamw> i was wondering why I was so firm yet tasty
15:04:10 <randomuser> ha!
15:04:47 <adamw> soo...anyone else around?
15:04:51 * satellit listening
15:05:46 <adamw> hi satellit
15:07:15 <cmurf> here after realizing i was in the wrong channel...
15:07:18 <adamw> hi cmurf :)
15:07:56 <adamw> alright, well, we've got a few people, on with the motley...
15:08:00 <adamw> #chair kparal randomuser
15:08:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal randomuser
15:08:18 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:08:27 <adamw> this topic is in severe danger of cancellation for lack of action items...
15:09:13 <adamw> anything to follow-up on from last week?
15:09:31 <adamw> nothing seems to have happened on the live respins topic, at least there's nothing new in the trac ticket since my previous comment
15:10:44 * roshi is here (got nerd sniped)
15:10:59 <satellit> any advance in lives working?
15:11:19 <adamw> the syslinux bug?
15:11:20 <randomuser> satellit, if I knew that, my life would be different :P
15:11:32 * satellit : -/
15:11:59 <adamw> hi roshi
15:12:03 <cmurf> Is h peter anvin cc’d on that syslinux bug?
15:12:09 <roshi> o/
15:12:25 <brunowolff> Is httpd not working going to be a blocker for any of the products? I tried looking through the server roles and didn't find any clear dependency on httpd.
15:12:28 <adamw> don't think he's directly cc'ed but I know he's aware of it.
15:13:06 <adamw> brunowolff: probably implied in the Cockpit requirements: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria#Cockpit_management_interface
15:13:25 <adamw> brunowolff: oh, it's actually required to work at Alpha, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_
15:13:27 <randomuser> iirc cockpit itself does not use httpd
15:13:28 <adamw> grr
15:13:33 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_Release_Criteria#Cockpit_management_interface
15:14:37 <brunowolff> OK. I'll mark the bug I have open as a potential blocker and copy in the criteria. Thanks.
15:15:32 <adamw> huh, i thought it did
15:15:38 <adamw> randomuser may be right, though
15:15:54 <adamw> 'cockpit apache' is one of those google fails, too. :P
15:16:10 <randomuser> I don't have an instance up at the moment to directly verify, though :P
15:16:11 <brunowolff> If you chagnged it it didn't trigger an email to me.
15:16:35 <cmurf> do we need/want a work around for the syslinux bug? I figure copying a few isolinux binaries from f22 media to f23 media (usb) will do it. for ISO testing in a VM the qemu direct kernel boot is the way to go, or UEFI.
15:16:45 <adamw> brunowolff: so if cockpit doesn't use it i can't think of anything else offhand that would make httpd a blocker for release, no
15:17:27 <cmurf> oops i guess we’re still on previous meeting stuff, nvm
15:17:37 <adamw> cmurf: yeah, it was going to come up in a minute.
15:17:53 <adamw> but we seem to have turned it into Miscellaneous Q&A anyway :)
15:17:58 <adamw> so, moving on, i guess
15:18:17 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 status
15:18:25 <adamw> so, here we go, can talk about syslinux all we like now!
15:18:37 <brunowolff> I am not sure if the bug affects cockpit. It depends how it gets started.
15:18:51 <adamw> for anyone who hasn't been following the plot so far, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234653
15:19:07 <randomuser> it's a socket activated python? thing, brunowolff
15:20:14 <adamw> #info there's a showstopper for BIOS boot of current Rawhide images, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234653 . the basic cause is known but requires someone with decent skillz to debug further, pjones will do it but not until July 7, we are looking for anyone else capable.
15:20:19 <brunowolff> The issue with httpd is that it now gets sent a window size change  (presumably a new systemd feature) and httpd exists when it receives the signal.
15:20:41 <pjones> (let's not bet too hard on july 7; that's the RHEL deadline, but, well, if stuff's not done, ...)
15:20:49 <adamw> brunowolff: hah, fun. still, i expect it should just get fixed in the normal course of things. is there a bug report? is it being neglected?
15:20:56 <adamw> pjones: so, should say July 7 or later?
15:21:06 <pjones> yeah, earlier is pretty unlikely.
15:21:12 <brunowolff> You can run httpd as root from a terminal prompt and it works fine. So I wouldn't be surprised if cockpit works.
15:21:32 <adamw> pjones: OK, we'll take that as read, i don't think anyone's going to be holding you to fedora QA meeting minutes...
15:21:37 <pjones> okay.
15:21:38 <brunowolff> .bug 1212224
15:21:41 <zodbot> brunowolff: Bug 1212224 SIGWINCH kills httpd - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1212224
15:22:06 <randomuser> `dnf repoquery --requires cockpit-ws` doesn't return anything I recognize as httpd
15:22:15 <adamw> cmurf: as for workarounds - well, i'm not sure releng would want to start hacking up the nightly build scripts, and it causes a bit of a problem with source availability, i guess
15:22:34 <cmurf> i mean testers doing it manually in the interim
15:22:35 <adamw> randomuser: yeah, from just poking around in the spec it looks like it has its own webserver or something.
15:23:02 <adamw> cmurf: oh, if there's a recipe to fix a built image that way, sure, throw a note in the bz, could be helpful
15:23:15 <randomuser> http://ur1.ca/myh4w - package requires
15:23:38 <brunowolff> It sounds like it isn't going to be a blocker.
15:23:55 <randomuser> still an embarassing thing to ship
15:23:59 <adamw> randomuser: note, https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50669
15:24:11 <adamw> oh, sorry, wrong persson
15:24:14 <adamw> brunowolff: ^^^
15:24:49 * randomuser reads anyway
15:25:25 <adamw> brunowolff: also note from systemd.service that it's actually configured to tell systemd to use a SIGWINCH to shut apache down cleanly
15:25:25 <brunowolff> Lovely. I'll see if I can find a way to disable this presumed systemd feature.
15:25:38 <adamw> # Send SIGWINCH for graceful stop
15:25:38 <adamw> KillSignal=SIGWINCH
15:26:01 <adamw> so, it may be that systemd is intentionally stopping the service for some reason; the SIGWINCH message may simply be telling you, effectively, 'for some reason the service was intentionally stopped'
15:26:16 <randomuser> brunowolff, what, this discussion is only about running it from a terminal?
15:26:17 <adamw> i can try and have a poke at it later i guess, see if i can reproduce it.
15:26:18 <randomuser> meh
15:26:27 <adamw> randomuser: no, the opposite of that (when he runs httpd from a terminal manually it's OK)
15:26:33 <randomuser> ah
15:26:44 <adamw> anyhoo
15:26:53 <randomuser> I'll stop dragging the meeting back there
15:27:07 <brunowolff> No, I run it from a ternimal after every reboot on my rawhide machine to start it, since systemd won't.
15:27:10 <adamw> so yeah, the big news on f23 status is the syslinux bug, anyone capable of debugging bootloaders is begged to help us out with that
15:28:08 <randomuser> #halp help needed to debug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234653
15:28:45 <satellit> any chance to do a bare metal install testing with bfo.iso (works in VirtualBox also) on a results page for the DE's in the interim?
15:28:48 <cmurf> where’s the latest live? is that on the releng dashboard?
15:29:00 <roshi> should be cmurf
15:30:16 <adamw> satellit: sure, we can nominate a nightly and throw in some stuff about working around the bug, i guess
15:30:24 <adamw> i'll get right on that after this meeting
15:30:31 <satellit> : )
15:30:41 <adamw> #action adamw to nominate a nightly and add instructions to the page and list about avoiding the syslinux bug
15:31:08 <cmurf> download speeds in BFE mountains means I should have a work around for baremetal BIOS boot with syslinux in 45 minutes to 5 hours
15:31:10 <adamw> cmurf: per https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?owner=masher&state=closed&view=flat&method=createLiveCD&order=-id we have an 06-28 Workstation, no KDE though it looks like
15:31:23 * satellit workstation plasma and mate work from bfo.iso
15:32:16 <cmurf> i’ve got https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/work/tasks/4623/10234623/Fedora-Live-Workstation-i686-rawhide-20150628.iso downloading now to run on an ancient Dell
15:33:43 <adamw> hum - we haven't had a boot.iso since 06-23
15:33:52 <adamw> i'd better check with releng why that is
15:34:02 <adamw> #action adamw to check in with releng what's happened to boot.iso generation
15:34:54 <adamw> anyone have anything else on F23 status?
15:35:53 <adamw> OK, well, moving on, then
15:36:03 <adamw> #topic Test Days
15:36:12 <adamw> so, i don't think we've done anything about F23 test days, yet
15:36:15 <adamw> roshi, did you have any plans?
15:36:24 <adamw> is anyone else interested in test day co-ordination this cycle?
15:36:58 * kparal looks at missing pschindl ;)
15:37:27 <roshi> adamw: I'm going to send out the call for test days this week
15:37:31 <roshi> today, most likely
15:37:46 <roshi> poking at testcloud packaging now
15:37:46 <adamw> kparal: in the bar again? sigh. :P
15:37:51 <adamw> roshi: OK, sounds good
15:38:06 <adamw> roshi: have you checked through the F23 Change list for ones that look particularly Test Day-worthy?
15:38:47 <roshi> I haven't
15:39:03 <roshi> will do when I send out the call though
15:39:41 <adamw> cool.
15:40:01 <adamw> anyone have any ideas for things they think should get test days?
15:40:22 <randomuser> I think the cinnamon spin should get a test ay
15:40:36 <randomuser> ...mostly because it's easy to participate in, and good PR
15:40:47 <roshi> true
15:40:54 * roshi uses cinnamon quite a bit
15:41:24 <randomuser> could be a good gateway to QA participation for a lot of folks
15:41:38 <adamw> sure, and always good to check a new spin is working OK
15:41:51 * satellit cinnamon also installs fine with bfo.iso
15:42:32 <adamw> #action roshi to send out the call for Test Days this week
15:42:43 <randomuser> I can bring the idea up to Dan but can't commit to being around during much of the actual test day at this point
15:43:15 <adamw> well, file a request and we can see where it goes, i guess?
15:43:55 <randomuser> ack
15:45:49 <adamw> okely dokely
15:45:53 <adamw> that's about all i had for the agenda
15:45:56 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:45:58 <adamw> any other business?
15:46:10 * roshi has nothing
15:47:27 <kparal> just a quick question - do we have blocker bug meeting today?
15:47:43 <kparal> it's in fedocal but I haven't seen an email invite
15:48:08 <kparal> ah, the proposed blocker is gone
15:48:10 <adamw> kparal: i sent out a mail suggesting we skip it as there was only one proposed blocker
15:48:12 <kparal> that answers my question
15:48:16 <roshi> I went to send the invite yesterday, and adam had already suggested that we vote on the one blocker in the bz
15:48:26 <kparal> ok, thanks
15:49:28 <adamw> #info no blocker review today as there are no proposed blockers to review
15:50:26 <adamw> welp, sounds like all quiet on the QA front...
15:50:29 * adamw sets the fuse
15:50:56 * Roll_ has no questions
15:51:13 <cmurf> one
15:51:23 * Roll_ tips his hat
15:51:26 <cmurf> maybe teams should promote elections at their weekly meeting next time around?
15:51:45 <roshi> yeah, that's a good idea
15:51:51 <adamw> oh, sure, it'd be worth mentioning whenever one's on
15:51:53 <adamw> i tend not to notice
15:51:56 <roshi> I totally forgot about the fesco elections
15:52:01 * adamw has no truck with this 'democracy' nonsense :P
15:52:02 <kparal> you're probably referring to pingou's blogpost about attendance
15:52:06 <roshi> saw the announce, went to vote, and then it was closed
15:52:09 <roshi> so I forgot
15:52:14 <cmurf> kparal: yes
15:52:17 <cmurf> roshi: yes
15:52:25 <kparal> it would be a good idea to promote it more, definitely
15:52:29 <cmurf> i only by pure dumb blind luck remembered
15:52:41 <adamw> #agreed we should promote elections during meetings - any time you know there's an election going on, if it's not mentioned in the meeting, bring it up
15:52:51 <cmurf> and then asked the fedoraforum.org people to make it prominent - obviously it didn’t matter much
15:52:53 <adamw> good call cmurf, thanks
15:52:54 <cmurf> 90 votes blek
15:52:58 <randomuser> I often notice the announcements before the election then forget to vote during the appropriate window
15:53:10 <kparal> in my case, I saw the "vote is open" post before the discussions were published on fedora magazine, so I had to wait for that. it's easy to forget about it this way
15:53:17 <cmurf> well the announcement shouldn’t go out until you can vote. all ducks need to be in a row
15:53:34 * kparal nods
15:53:37 <roshi> interviews at the same time would also be helpful
15:53:48 <cmurf> but at least in my universe, the news has been very entertaining the last 2 weeks so it would have been very easy to forget about fedora voting
15:54:03 <roshi> pretty much
15:54:33 <adamw> sounds like it'd be worth suggesting to the Grand Elections Poobah or whoever to do something with announcements - maybe a second announcement of polls opening?
15:54:41 <cmurf> yes
15:54:58 <cmurf> but also the team meetings, just schedule it as a “go vote minions!”
15:55:31 <adamw> yeah, sounds good
15:55:45 <adamw> Vote Minions!
15:56:03 <cmurf> mignonne!
15:56:08 <roshi> the Minions were running?
15:56:17 <roshi> aw... I woulda voted had I known
15:56:18 <cmurf> or we’re grilling you directly on charcol
15:56:29 <adamw> minion mignon ?
15:56:35 <adamw> sounds tasty
15:56:36 <roshi> filet minion
15:56:37 <cmurf> same thing, derivation
15:56:51 <cmurf> they can follow or be grilled
15:56:53 <cmurf> haha
15:57:12 <adamw> and on THAT note, ladies and gentlemen, we shall close the meeting while cmurf is hauled off to the Terrible Jokes Dungeon
15:57:18 <adamw> thanks for coming, folks
15:57:30 <adamw> #endmeeting