06:00:09 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n 06:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 10 06:00:09 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:13 <pravins> #meetingname i18n 06:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 06:00:16 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:19 <paragan> Hi 06:00:19 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-06-10 06:00:23 <pravins> hi paragan :) 06:00:27 <mfabian> Hi! 06:00:29 <pravins> who else available today for meeting? 06:00:36 <epico> hi 06:00:46 <pravins> hi epico mfabian :) 06:00:55 <Mohamed_Fawzy> hi all 06:01:11 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: hi and welcome to i18n meeting :) 06:01:14 <pravins> Action items from last meeting 06:01:16 <fujiwarat> hi 06:01:19 <pravins> pravins to test F22 with external keyboard and mouse. 06:01:19 <pravins> Pravin to add points in talking points. 06:01:38 <pravins> mfabian: i tested external keyboard and mouse on f22 and worked fine for me. 06:01:57 <mfabian> pravins: it works well for me too now. 06:02:07 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: would you like to introduce your self in meeting? 06:02:16 <mfabian> I don’t know what happened, it was really messed up for a while after the update. 06:02:24 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes it is ok 06:02:44 <pravins> mfabian: great. 06:03:10 <Mohamed_Fawzy> MOhamed Fawzy Fedora arab community From Egypt 06:03:29 <pravins> #info external keyboard and mouse works fine on f22. 06:03:39 <Mohamed_Fawzy> will start in arabic group 06:04:21 <pravins> thanks for introduction. 06:04:41 <Mohamed_Fawzy> wlcm ^_^ 06:05:14 <pravins> As of now we don't have much expertise for Arabic language. Its good you are in and now can provide us input on things works well and not. 06:05:21 <pravins> feel free to report bug and ping us here :) 06:05:26 <pravins> lets move ahead with meeting. 06:05:47 <Mohamed_Fawzy> ok I will 06:06:01 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:06:06 <pravins> #info 2015-06-23 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:06:06 <pravins> #info info not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline 06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-06-16 Mass Rebuild 06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-07-14 Branch Fedora 23 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F24) 06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28 Alpha Freeze (*), Software String Freeze, Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable), Bodhi activation point 06:06:41 <pravins> just 13 days for change submission deadline, need to hurry for proposing changes. 06:07:24 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :) 06:07:25 <pravins> #topic Outstanding tasks 06:07:31 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (anishpatil) 06:07:35 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 06:07:53 <pravins> anish_: are you planning to work on this ticket? 06:08:09 <pravins> we have to disable XKB layout. 06:09:47 <pravins> anyone else interested in this ticket? 06:10:15 <anish_> looking at it 06:10:47 <anish_> pravins, sure i will look into it 06:10:54 <pravins> anish_: thats great. thanks a lot :) 06:11:06 <pravins> #topic New topics 06:11:09 <anish_> thanks 06:11:11 <pravins> #info #43: I18n FAD in 2015 (pravins) 06:11:24 <pravins> Our next target is to bring this to Fedora council for approval. We will need to calculate approximate budget before proposing FAD to council. 06:11:48 <pravins> thanks fujiwarat for adding your name. 06:11:57 <pravins> anish_: will you be available for this FAD? 06:12:20 <anish_> pravins, when will it be? 06:12:29 <pravins> in Nov 1st/2nd week. 06:12:36 <Mohamed_Fawzy> when will it be and where ? 06:12:41 <anish_> okay, i will be in 06:12:52 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: its planned in Nov 2015 and will be in Toyko, Japan. 06:12:55 <anish_> thanks for info, i forgotten about it 06:13:01 <pravins> np. 06:13:22 <pravins> if you are interested in attend do add your name and role. I will ping all later for calculating budget. 06:13:28 <tagoh_> pravins: when will we decide if we really have this event or not? 06:13:35 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will try 06:13:50 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i still dont know about military service 06:13:56 <pravins> tagoh_: need to send email to council with required budget. They will approve or disapprove budget. 06:14:18 <tagoh_> no deadline for that at this moment? 06:14:41 <pravins> lets decide 31st June as deadline. 06:14:46 <pravins> for getting final status. 06:14:51 <pravins> is it fine? 06:14:55 <tagoh_> okay. sounds good. 06:15:14 <pravins> #agree Decide by 31st june whether we will have FAD in Nov 2015 or not. 06:15:26 <pravins> #action pravins to ping all and calculate on budgeting. 06:15:44 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: you can also participate remotely. No need to travel. 06:15:53 <pravins> we will have most of the things on IRC. 06:16:07 <pravins> and try for Telephone and Hangouts it possible., 06:16:17 <Mohamed_Fawzy> that is so nice 06:16:38 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will be in remotely i wont travel 06:17:01 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: looks good. please add your name and mention there remotely. 06:17:19 <Mohamed_Fawzy> in the ticket ? 06:17:26 <pravins> ueno: is only remaining now to add his name. hopefully he does not plan any other conference during same time. 06:17:32 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: nope, here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_I18n_2015 06:17:45 <Mohamed_Fawzy> Ok :D thanks 06:18:00 <pravins> #info #49: Internationalization talking points for Fedora 22 (pravins) 06:18:07 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/49 06:18:12 <pravins> I think we should blog regarding i18n and F22 and may be work we have accomplish for F22. 06:18:15 <pravins> Even individual blogs will work for this. 06:18:18 <pravins> do we have anyone? 06:19:01 <pravins> #chair tagoh_ paragan Mohamed_Fawzy mfabian fujiwarat epico anish_ 06:19:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Mohamed_Fawzy anish_ epico fujiwarat mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_ 06:19:56 <pravins> i have action item to add post in FedoraMagazine, i will do it in couple of days. 06:20:11 <Mohamed_Fawzy> good 06:20:18 <anish_> cool 06:20:26 <pravins> Next important topic. 06:20:27 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins) 06:20:31 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50 06:20:48 <pravins> We discussed on few ideas last week. Lets go through it again. 06:20:57 <pravins> IDEA: try to switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin 06:21:08 <pravins> epico: did you prepared proposal for same? 06:21:51 <epico> I will submit a Change for Fedora 23. 06:22:19 <pravins> #action epico to submit change proposal for "switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin" 06:22:25 <pravins> IDEA: locales sub-packaging with glibc team 06:22:45 <pravins> mfabian: are we working on same. Last time i saw email on devel where people were requesting for this change. 06:23:12 <mfabian> pravins: Yes, I’ll try to discuss with Carlos and work on it. 06:23:42 <pravins> mfabian: sure. 06:23:51 <pravins> if anything positive do file change proposal :) 06:24:21 <pravins> #action mfabian to discuss glibc sub-packaging idea with carlos. 06:24:25 <pravins> IDEA: Wayland IM for F23 06:24:56 <pravins> ueno: name is listed on workstation tasklist 06:25:16 <pravins> #action ping ueno for update on Wayland IM for F23 change proposal. 06:25:27 <pravins> IDEA: Audit of default fonts for languages in Fedora 23 06:26:01 <pravins> as mentioned in last meeting planning to discuss this idea in flock. 06:26:16 <pravins> change proposal make sense before actual discussion though. 06:26:17 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will be in flock 06:26:30 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: wow, that's excellent. 06:26:40 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i prepare visa papers 06:26:42 * pravins travel to flock is not sure yet. 06:26:52 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i have session there 06:27:04 <pravins> nice. 06:27:19 <pravins> #action pravins to draft change proposal for Audit for default fonts in Fedora. 06:27:28 <pravins> IDEA: Gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages 06:27:48 * pravins not sure, who plans to work on this item. 06:28:21 <pravins> moving to next one. 06:28:22 <pravins> IDEA: going through cloud and server todo list. Test/use cloud and server and see whats missing from i18n. 06:28:46 <pravins> do we have tasklist for Cloud and Server? 06:28:49 <pravins> last time we did not found one. 06:29:50 <pravins> lets go through these items again in next meeting. 06:30:09 <pravins> #info will go again on Gnome redesign and Cloud and Server WG task list. 06:30:20 <paragan> sure 06:30:20 <pravins> IDEA: IBus improvements for KDE5 06:30:38 <pravins> fujiwarat: do you think we can propose change for this? 06:31:14 * pravins will recommend at least draft one, then we can discuss whether its acceptable as a change or not. 06:31:25 <fujiwarat> I'm not sure if they can be proposed but I'll integrate them in f23. 06:32:02 <pravins> fujiwarat: at least draft your plan on wiki somewhere, then we can discuss on same. does this sounds good? 06:32:20 <pravins> IDEA: updating glibc localedata to Unicode 8.0.0 if releases in F23 development cycle 06:32:29 <fujiwarat> pravins: OK, sounds good. 06:32:34 <pravins> great. :) 06:32:55 <pravins> #action fujiwarat do draft change IBus improvement plans for KDE in wiki for F23. 06:33:14 <pravins> mfabian: news is Unicode is getting released this month. http://unicode.org/versions/Unicode8.0.0/ 06:33:25 <pravins> so i think we can add this as a Change. 06:33:31 <mfabian> pravins: Good! 06:34:07 <pravins> should i go ahead with change proposal or do you want to do it? 06:34:45 <pravins> this time our backward compatibility reports will looks very nice i think. :) 06:35:00 <mfabian> pravins: please go ahead with the change proposal. 06:35:04 <pravins> mfabian: sure. 06:35:17 <pravins> #action pravins do draft change proposal for Unicode 8.0 update for glibc. 06:35:28 <pravins> done with all idea. 06:35:35 <pravins> did we missed any idea? 06:35:40 <pravins> or do we have any new? 06:37:59 <pravins> tagoh_: if i remembered correctly, we were talking on few ideas related to man-pages? 06:38:41 <tagoh_> these days? no idea. 06:39:04 <pravins> sure. even i have no idea. :) 06:39:21 <pravins> lets move ahead. 06:39:24 <pravins> #info #51: Fedora 23 Workstation Tasks (petersen) 06:39:27 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/51 06:39:43 <pravins> We have gone through Workstation tasklist last time itself. 06:40:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist 06:41:19 <pravins> one we missed last time 06:41:22 <pravins> Wayland On-screen keyboard 06:41:32 <pravins> #idea Wayland On-screen keyboard in workstation tasklist 06:42:18 <pravins> lets move ahead. 06:42:33 <pravins> will discuss when juhp will be available next week. 06:42:35 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 06:42:58 <pravins> Fedora 23 change proposal deadline is 23 June and our next meeting is on 24th June. 06:43:19 <pravins> Is it fine, if we discuss on our F23 change proposals in next week G11N meeting? 06:43:36 <Mohamed_Fawzy> it is Ok 06:45:32 <pravins> paragan: tagoh_: mfabian epico fujiwarat anish_ ^^ any comments 06:46:02 <mfabian> Yes, this is fine. 06:46:08 <anish_> looks good 06:46:11 <pravins> will try to be quick. 06:46:45 <epico> okay for me. 06:46:58 <fujiwarat> no problem with me 06:47:07 <pravins> great. Will add it in topic. 06:47:19 <tagoh_> pravins: sure 06:47:34 <paragan> yes we can discuss in next g11n meeting 06:47:51 <pravins> #agree to discuss F23 change proposals in 17th June G11N meeting due to change proposal deadline before next i18n meeting. 06:48:08 <pravins> #agreed to discuss F23 change proposals in 17th June G11N meeting due to change proposal deadline before next i18n meeting. 06:48:24 <pravins> did we missed any topic? 06:48:40 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i have some questions 06:48:44 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: sure. 06:49:04 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i want start translation do i need any permissions to be coordinator to invite some arab ??? 06:50:01 <Mohamed_Fawzy> the most important for me now is to make people here east to get/start with fedora 06:50:06 <pravins> in last G11N meeting we discussed on this thing. i.e. list of language coordinator. Noriko can help you there. 06:50:17 <pravins> Also ani proposed idea of having translation sprints. 06:50:44 <Mohamed_Fawzy> zoltan told me to send him mail and i did 06:51:15 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i want to make next release party have translation in it 06:51:30 <pravins> excellent. For it you need to start planing for now. 06:51:57 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: propose idea to trans list. Soon we will have g11n list as well. 06:52:27 <pravins> and good to join next week G11N meeting, you will get chance to propose idea infront of other l10n and zanata members. 06:52:35 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes it is just ideas i will start plan after exams :( 06:52:51 <pravins> #action Mohamed_Fawzy to propose idea on Arab translation on trans list. 06:53:03 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: sure. 06:53:24 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes :D 06:53:27 <pravins> lets discuss more on irc, mailing list and next week meeting :) 06:53:33 <pravins> if nothing else we can close meeting. 06:54:21 <pravins> thanks all for nice meeting. 06:54:22 <pravins> #endmeeting