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06:00:09 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
06:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 10 06:00:09 2015 UTC.  The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:00:13 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:00:16 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:19 <paragan> Hi
06:00:19 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-06-10
06:00:23 <pravins> hi paragan :)
06:00:27 <mfabian> Hi!
06:00:29 <pravins> who else available today for meeting?
06:00:36 <epico> hi
06:00:46 <pravins> hi epico mfabian :)
06:00:55 <Mohamed_Fawzy> hi all
06:01:11 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: hi and welcome to i18n meeting :)
06:01:14 <pravins> Action items from last meeting
06:01:16 <fujiwarat> hi
06:01:19 <pravins> pravins to test F22 with external keyboard and mouse.
06:01:19 <pravins> Pravin to add points in talking points.
06:01:38 <pravins> mfabian: i tested external keyboard and mouse on f22 and worked fine for me.
06:01:57 <mfabian> pravins: it works well for me too now.
06:02:07 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: would you like to introduce your self in meeting?
06:02:16 <mfabian> I don’t know what happened, it was really messed up for a while after the update.
06:02:24 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes it is ok
06:02:44 <pravins> mfabian: great.
06:03:10 <Mohamed_Fawzy> MOhamed Fawzy Fedora arab community From Egypt
06:03:29 <pravins> #info external keyboard and mouse works fine on f22.
06:03:39 <Mohamed_Fawzy> will start in arabic group
06:04:21 <pravins> thanks for introduction.
06:04:41 <Mohamed_Fawzy> wlcm ^_^
06:05:14 <pravins> As of now we don't have much expertise for Arabic language. Its good you are in and now can provide us input on things works well and not.
06:05:21 <pravins> feel free to report bug and ping us here :)
06:05:26 <pravins> lets move ahead with meeting.
06:05:47 <Mohamed_Fawzy> ok I will
06:06:01 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:06 <pravins> #info 2015-06-23 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:06:06 <pravins> #info info not scheduled yet 	Side Tag Builds Deadline
06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-06-16 	Mass Rebuild
06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-07-14 	Branch Fedora 23 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F24)
06:06:07 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28 	Alpha Freeze (*), Software String Freeze, Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable), Bodhi activation point
06:06:41 <pravins> just 13 days for change submission deadline, need to hurry for proposing changes.
06:07:24 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :)
06:07:25 <pravins> #topic Outstanding tasks
06:07:31 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (anishpatil)
06:07:35 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:07:53 <pravins> anish_:  are you planning to work on this ticket?
06:08:09 <pravins> we have to disable XKB layout.
06:09:47 <pravins> anyone else interested in this ticket?
06:10:15 <anish_> looking at it
06:10:47 <anish_> pravins, sure i will look into it
06:10:54 <pravins> anish_: thats great. thanks a lot :)
06:11:06 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:11:09 <anish_> thanks
06:11:11 <pravins> #info #43: I18n FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:11:24 <pravins> Our next target is to bring this to Fedora council for approval. We will need to calculate approximate budget before proposing FAD to council.
06:11:48 <pravins> thanks fujiwarat for adding your name.
06:11:57 <pravins> anish_: will you be available for this FAD?
06:12:20 <anish_> pravins, when will it be?
06:12:29 <pravins> in Nov 1st/2nd week.
06:12:36 <Mohamed_Fawzy> when will it be and where ?
06:12:41 <anish_> okay, i will be in
06:12:52 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: its planned in Nov 2015 and will be in Toyko, Japan.
06:12:55 <anish_> thanks for info, i forgotten about it
06:13:01 <pravins> np.
06:13:22 <pravins> if you are interested in attend do add your name and role. I will ping all later for calculating budget.
06:13:28 <tagoh_> pravins: when will we decide if we really have this event or not?
06:13:35 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will try
06:13:50 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i still dont know about military service
06:13:56 <pravins> tagoh_: need to send email to council with required budget. They will approve or disapprove budget.
06:14:18 <tagoh_> no deadline for that at this moment?
06:14:41 <pravins> lets decide 31st June as deadline.
06:14:46 <pravins> for getting final status.
06:14:51 <pravins> is it fine?
06:14:55 <tagoh_> okay. sounds good.
06:15:14 <pravins> #agree Decide by 31st june whether we will have FAD in Nov 2015 or not.
06:15:26 <pravins> #action pravins to ping all and calculate on budgeting.
06:15:44 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: you can also participate remotely. No need to travel.
06:15:53 <pravins> we will have most of the things on IRC.
06:16:07 <pravins> and try for Telephone and Hangouts it possible.,
06:16:17 <Mohamed_Fawzy> that is so nice
06:16:38 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will be in remotely i wont travel
06:17:01 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: looks good. please add your name and mention there remotely.
06:17:19 <Mohamed_Fawzy> in the ticket ?
06:17:26 <pravins> ueno: is only remaining now to add his name. hopefully he does not plan any other conference during same time.
06:17:32 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: nope, here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_I18n_2015
06:17:45 <Mohamed_Fawzy> Ok :D thanks
06:18:00 <pravins> #info #49: Internationalization talking points for Fedora 22 (pravins)
06:18:07 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/49
06:18:12 <pravins> I think we should  blog regarding i18n and F22 and may be work we have accomplish for F22.
06:18:15 <pravins> Even individual blogs will work for this.
06:18:18 <pravins> do we have anyone?
06:19:01 <pravins> #chair tagoh_ paragan Mohamed_Fawzy mfabian fujiwarat epico anish_
06:19:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Mohamed_Fawzy anish_ epico fujiwarat mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_
06:19:56 <pravins> i have action item to add post in FedoraMagazine, i will do it in couple of days.
06:20:11 <Mohamed_Fawzy> good
06:20:18 <anish_> cool
06:20:26 <pravins> Next important topic.
06:20:27 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins)
06:20:31 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50
06:20:48 <pravins> We discussed on few ideas last week. Lets go through it again.
06:20:57 <pravins> IDEA: try to switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin
06:21:08 <pravins> epico: did you prepared proposal for same?
06:21:51 <epico> I will submit a Change for Fedora 23.
06:22:19 <pravins> #action epico to submit change proposal for  "switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin"
06:22:25 <pravins> IDEA: locales sub-packaging with glibc team
06:22:45 <pravins> mfabian: are we working on same. Last time i saw email on devel where people were requesting for this change.
06:23:12 <mfabian> pravins: Yes, I’ll try to discuss with Carlos and work on it.
06:23:42 <pravins> mfabian: sure.
06:23:51 <pravins> if anything positive do file change proposal :)
06:24:21 <pravins> #action mfabian to discuss glibc sub-packaging idea with carlos.
06:24:25 <pravins> IDEA: Wayland IM for F23
06:24:56 <pravins> ueno: name is listed on workstation tasklist
06:25:16 <pravins> #action ping ueno for update on Wayland IM for F23 change proposal.
06:25:27 <pravins> IDEA: Audit of default fonts for languages in Fedora 23
06:26:01 <pravins> as mentioned in last meeting planning to discuss this idea in flock.
06:26:16 <pravins> change proposal make sense before actual discussion though.
06:26:17 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i will be in flock
06:26:30 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: wow, that's excellent.
06:26:40 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i prepare visa papers
06:26:42 * pravins travel to flock is not sure yet.
06:26:52 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i have session there
06:27:04 <pravins> nice.
06:27:19 <pravins> #action pravins to draft change proposal for Audit for default fonts in Fedora.
06:27:28 <pravins> IDEA: Gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
06:27:48 * pravins not sure, who plans to work on this item.
06:28:21 <pravins> moving to next one.
06:28:22 <pravins> IDEA: going through cloud and server todo list. Test/use cloud and server and see whats missing from i18n.
06:28:46 <pravins> do we have tasklist for Cloud and Server?
06:28:49 <pravins> last time we did not found one.
06:29:50 <pravins> lets go through these items again in next meeting.
06:30:09 <pravins> #info will go again on Gnome redesign and Cloud and Server WG task list.
06:30:20 <paragan> sure
06:30:20 <pravins> IDEA: IBus improvements for KDE5
06:30:38 <pravins> fujiwarat: do you think we can propose change for this?
06:31:14 * pravins will recommend at least draft one, then we can discuss whether its acceptable as a change or not.
06:31:25 <fujiwarat> I'm not sure if they can be proposed but I'll integrate them in f23.
06:32:02 <pravins> fujiwarat: at least draft your plan on wiki somewhere, then we can discuss on same. does this sounds good?
06:32:20 <pravins> IDEA: updating glibc localedata to Unicode 8.0.0 if releases in F23 development cycle
06:32:29 <fujiwarat> pravins: OK, sounds good.
06:32:34 <pravins> great. :)
06:32:55 <pravins> #action fujiwarat do draft change IBus improvement plans for KDE in wiki for F23.
06:33:14 <pravins> mfabian: news is Unicode is getting released this month. http://unicode.org/versions/Unicode8.0.0/
06:33:25 <pravins> so i think we can add this as a Change.
06:33:31 <mfabian> pravins: Good!
06:34:07 <pravins> should i go ahead with change proposal or do you want to do it?
06:34:45 <pravins> this time our backward compatibility reports will looks very nice i think. :)
06:35:00 <mfabian> pravins: please go ahead with the change proposal.
06:35:04 <pravins> mfabian: sure.
06:35:17 <pravins> #action pravins do draft change proposal for Unicode 8.0 update for glibc.
06:35:28 <pravins> done with all idea.
06:35:35 <pravins> did we missed any idea?
06:35:40 <pravins> or do we have any new?
06:37:59 <pravins> tagoh_: if i remembered correctly, we were talking on few ideas related to man-pages?
06:38:41 <tagoh_> these days? no idea.
06:39:04 <pravins> sure. even i have no idea. :)
06:39:21 <pravins> lets move ahead.
06:39:24 <pravins> #info #51: Fedora 23 Workstation Tasks (petersen)
06:39:27 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/51
06:39:43 <pravins> We have gone through Workstation tasklist last time itself.
06:40:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist
06:41:19 <pravins> one we missed last time
06:41:22 <pravins> Wayland On-screen keyboard
06:41:32 <pravins> #idea  Wayland On-screen keyboard  in workstation tasklist
06:42:18 <pravins> lets move ahead.
06:42:33 <pravins> will discuss when juhp will be available next week.
06:42:35 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:42:58 <pravins> Fedora 23 change proposal deadline is 23 June and our next meeting is on 24th June.
06:43:19 <pravins> Is it fine, if we discuss on our F23 change proposals in next week G11N meeting?
06:43:36 <Mohamed_Fawzy> it is Ok
06:45:32 <pravins> paragan:  tagoh_: mfabian epico fujiwarat anish_   ^^ any comments
06:46:02 <mfabian> Yes, this is fine.
06:46:08 <anish_> looks good
06:46:11 <pravins> will try to be quick.
06:46:45 <epico> okay for me.
06:46:58 <fujiwarat> no problem with me
06:47:07 <pravins> great. Will add it in topic.
06:47:19 <tagoh_> pravins: sure
06:47:34 <paragan> yes we can discuss in next g11n meeting
06:47:51 <pravins> #agree to discuss F23 change proposals in 17th June G11N meeting due to change proposal deadline before next i18n meeting.
06:48:08 <pravins> #agreed to discuss F23 change proposals in 17th June G11N meeting due to change proposal deadline before next i18n meeting.
06:48:24 <pravins> did we missed any topic?
06:48:40 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i have some questions
06:48:44 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: sure.
06:49:04 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i want start translation do i need any permissions to be coordinator to invite some arab   ???
06:50:01 <Mohamed_Fawzy> the most important for me now is to make people here east to get/start with fedora
06:50:06 <pravins> in last G11N meeting we discussed on this thing. i.e. list of language coordinator. Noriko can help you there.
06:50:17 <pravins> Also ani proposed idea of having translation sprints.
06:50:44 <Mohamed_Fawzy> zoltan told me to send him mail and i did
06:51:15 <Mohamed_Fawzy> i want to make next release party have translation in it
06:51:30 <pravins> excellent. For it you need to start planing for now.
06:51:57 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: propose idea to trans list. Soon we will have g11n list as well.
06:52:27 <pravins> and good to join next week G11N meeting, you will get chance to propose idea infront of other l10n and zanata members.
06:52:35 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes it is just ideas i will start plan after exams :(
06:52:51 <pravins> #action Mohamed_Fawzy to propose idea on Arab translation on trans list.
06:53:03 <pravins> Mohamed_Fawzy: sure.
06:53:24 <Mohamed_Fawzy> yes :D
06:53:27 <pravins> lets discuss more on irc, mailing list and next week meeting :)
06:53:33 <pravins> if nothing else we can close meeting.
06:54:21 <pravins> thanks all for nice meeting.
06:54:22 <pravins> #endmeeting