04:01:19 <tuanta> #startmeeting APAC 2015-05-23
04:01:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat May 23 04:01:19 2015 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:01:29 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:01:45 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:01:46 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:02:15 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: Announcements
04:02:27 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:02:28 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:02:28 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen
04:02:31 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
04:02:44 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: Media and swag
04:03:04 <Ashutosh> .fas Ashutoshbhakare
04:03:05 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: F22 release parties
04:03:06 <zodbot> Ashutosh: ashutoshbhakare 'Ashutosh Sudhakar Bhakare' <bhakareashutosh@yahoo.com>
04:03:30 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: FUDCons
04:03:46 <Ashutosh> #info - schedule on 6th June 2014
04:04:29 <Ashutosh> #info in Engineering college located at Aurangabad
04:04:59 <praveenkumar> Ashutosh: it should be 6th June 2015 instead 2014.
04:05:00 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: tickets
04:05:22 <tuanta> hi all
04:05:26 <Ashutosh> #agreed - Sorry
04:05:29 <tuanta> start meeting now?
04:05:49 <tuanta> #topic Announcements
04:06:08 <tuanta> you may all know that Fedora would go GA next week?
04:06:09 <pravins> hi
04:06:32 <praveenkumar> tuanta: yes
04:06:42 <Ashutosh> yup
04:07:09 <tuanta> yes, cool. May 26th 2015.
04:08:05 <tuanta> and the new loop is coming; there are a lot of work for ambassadors :)
04:08:15 <tuanta> #topic Media and swag
04:08:41 <tuanta> there are some F21 media left in Singapore and China, I think
04:09:17 <pravins> tuanta: In Pune as well :)
04:09:21 <tuanta> we will need statistics for better producing
04:09:47 <pravins> Not sure exactly, but should be around few hundreds.
04:09:53 <tuanta> we will improve it after each release
04:10:12 <pravins> tuanta: if we are doing good, number should get increase after each release :)
04:10:50 <tuanta> yes, pravins. I will send a reminder for India, Singapore and China team to put the real numbers
04:11:17 <pravins> looks good.
04:11:49 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send a reminder to India, Singapore and China teams to get the statistics of Media production and distribution
04:12:07 <tuanta> for F22, it is nice to have FUDCon in Pune
04:12:10 <pravins> same time, since FUDCon is happening in 4th week of June, we would like to conduct 4-5 release parties in Pune and around in first and second week of June. So good if we can get media quickly.
04:12:29 <tuanta> then we can produce in mass to distribute to all countries there
04:12:57 <tuanta> yes, pravins
04:13:53 <tuanta> siddhesh said that he is getting the quotation now
04:14:41 <tuanta> #info siddhesh is getting quotation to produce about 4,000 F22 media in Pune to distribute to all other countries during FUDCon
04:15:22 <alick> .hello alick
04:15:23 <zodbot> alick: alick 'Zhao Tao' <alick9188@gmail.com>
04:15:33 <tuanta> we will discuss this more on the mailing list, I think
04:15:43 <praveenkumar> agreed
04:15:53 * harish just joined.
04:16:00 <tuanta> hi harish
04:16:05 <harish> tuanta, hi
04:16:10 <tuanta> we are discussing about media
04:16:22 <harish> and i still have loads of f21s
04:16:32 <tuanta> yes, the situation was not good in F22
04:16:44 <tuanta> how many of them have you got in Singapore now?
04:16:58 <tuanta> and how about China, alick ?
04:17:11 <harish> probably 300++
04:17:14 <tuanta> we need real statistics to improve this work
04:17:26 <pravins> halfline: hi, glad to see you :)
04:17:57 <tuanta> harish, about 300++ in 1,000 right?
04:18:17 <alick> tuanta: need to check. IIRC ~800
04:19:03 <harish> i know that there is a few boxes in the cabinet and i have been sending them off here and there. i will check on what is left on Monday.
04:19:36 <harish> i received shipments from Brno and from Pune.
04:19:54 <tuanta> #action alick, harish and siddhesh to check how many F21 media left
04:19:56 <alick> tuanta: will distribute 100--200 during HKOSC
04:20:13 <tuanta> HKOSC is on June?
04:20:29 <tuanta> it is better to distribute F22 media, I think
04:20:49 <tuanta> you may know that F22 is coming next week
04:22:44 <tuanta> we need statistics soon to decide to produce how many F22 media. we will make it in Pune and distribute to other countries during FUDCon Pune
04:22:57 <tuanta> any more comments? or next topic?
04:23:16 <harish> next topic please
04:23:35 <tuanta> #topic F22 release parties
04:23:55 <tuanta> it is time to prepare F22 release parties
04:24:36 <tuanta> any questions about this kind of event?
04:24:55 <Ashutosh> #info i and pravin scheduled one on 6th June
04:25:04 <pravins> Ashutosh: yes.
04:25:06 <praveenkumar> tuanta: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/194 pravins created a ticket for upcoming release party
04:25:10 <harish> i think it is useful to have them. there will always be new people.
04:25:12 <tuanta> +1 Ashutosh
04:25:21 <Ashutosh> :)
04:25:26 <tuanta> +1 harish
04:25:47 <tuanta> it is best place to PR our community
04:25:56 <pravins> tuanta: only blocker right now is F22 media. Hoping we will get some by 4th june, so we can bring it to Aurangabad (200km from Pune)
04:26:26 <harish> !
04:26:40 <tuanta> go ahead, harish
04:27:03 <harish> is making CDs still a need? or should we focus on ways to make them on thumbdrives instead?
04:27:16 <Ashutosh> !
04:27:48 <tuanta> harish, this issue has been discussed a lot on the mailing list; the problem is thumbdrives are more expensive than DVDs
04:27:59 <Ashutosh> +1 tuanta
04:28:25 <Ashutosh> even the we can replace the feel of dvd with pendrives
04:28:30 <Ashutosh> then*
04:28:37 <Ashutosh> cant*
04:28:41 <tuanta> and if we give a thumbdrive away to a person, they will easily to erase them for other usage purpose :)
04:28:49 <harish> understand that. but I think if we can find ways at release parties to have them loaded into self-provided thumbdrives would be worthy of exploring.
04:29:05 <harish> self-provided. not provided by us.
04:29:11 <tuanta> harish, it is a good point
04:29:23 <harish> they bring their own, tell them ahead of time to bring a 2G or some such capacity thumbdrive.
04:29:54 <harish> we set up our laptops or some set of systems that are ready to copy the ISO to their thumbdrives.
04:29:56 <Ashutosh> having fedora (original) DVD is more valuable for any new comer
04:30:02 <tuanta> we did that in some last events here
04:30:10 <harish> assuming that they have a cd/dvd drive.
04:30:49 <alick> DVD is less and less popular but it does not fade away any time soon.
04:30:50 <tuanta> that way is good if we see it is just a storage media
04:31:33 <tuanta> however, it is also a small gift
04:31:37 <harish> not to digress, but i think if we have a set of actions that are around "how to load up ISOs into a self-provided thumbdrive at a release party" then we can have a lesser need for CDs/DVDs.
04:31:44 <harish> they can be done in parallel.
04:31:50 <tuanta> yes, harish
04:31:53 <tuanta> we can do both
04:32:07 <tuanta> +1 harish totally
04:33:30 <pravins> harish: this is good idea and should be given as a option.  We can decide based on response from crowd.
04:34:07 <harish> i can see the release party having a side track where there are laptops with multiple USB ports ready to be used for transferring the ISOs to them.
04:34:37 <harish> if we announce it as part of the release party, i think people would come with thumbdrives handy. tell them the minimum needed.
04:35:06 <pravins> response will definitely vary from location to location. i..e countries, city crowd.
04:35:07 <tuanta> +1 harish. it should be prepared and announced to participants
04:35:31 <harish> announcing and preparing people early is useful.
04:36:01 <tuanta> pravins, we can do both and see. The most important is we need statistics
04:36:27 <harish> for that matter, if you can solicit within your friends and colleagues for thumbdrives of small capacities like 2G that they don't want anymore, you can have them ready with the ISO loaded in.
04:37:08 <pravins> tuanta: +1
04:37:17 <harish> i know i have 3 or 4 2G drives that I have not used for a long time that I could donate.
04:37:43 <alick> tuanta: about the statistics, above number I provided is correct.
04:37:44 <tuanta> + harish. it is a good idea too
04:37:56 <harish> it is a question of spinning and managing the expectations.
04:38:00 <tuanta> it is another way for people to contribute to open source :)
04:38:27 <harish> "Bring your thumbdrives, and leave with Fedora loaded".
04:38:58 <tuanta> well well well. we are going further. A good slogan :)
04:39:28 <harish> just shifting the line closer to the recipient.
04:39:34 <tuanta> alick, you are talking about F21 media? I think it is best to put those statistics onto a wiki
04:39:45 <tuanta> I will set a new wiki and send reminder to all of you
04:39:56 <alick> tuanta: yeah, ok
04:40:19 <alick> tuanta: we actually use a private spreadsheet to track the distribution in china
04:40:39 <alick> tuanta: the distribution of Fedora media  i mean
04:41:07 <tuanta> harish, any more sentence to tell people that they could help others with their rarely-used thumbdrives?
04:41:25 <tuanta> alick, we should use wiki for that purpose
04:41:26 * harish thinking ...
04:41:50 <tuanta> for more open and transparency
04:41:58 <alick> tuanta: yeah agreed
04:42:18 <tuanta> +1 harish. I am thinking too :)
04:42:20 <harish> i can envision a cartoon where there are these lonely thumbdrives (all 2G) and with thought bubbles that say "I wish I could be useful. I wish you could load up Fedora and make be happy"
04:42:45 <alick> harish's point is pretty solid. We should encourage more usage of thumbdrives.
04:43:02 <alick> But meantime DVDs will still be around for some time.
04:43:11 <harish> for sure, alick
04:43:20 <alick> We need some, but less and less DVDs to distribute.
04:43:24 <harish> it is to be set a lower amount
04:45:08 <tuanta> #idea encourage people to bring rarely-used thumbdrives to Fedora release parties to help others. Fedora will be loaded in place into those thumbdrives to give away to other needed people
04:45:39 <tuanta> #idea we need some cartoon, slogan, etc. to put into event poster, wiki, etc. for that
04:46:55 <harish> we could do a one-for-one exchange. "bring a lonely thumbdrive and exchange it for a happy one with Fedora loaded"
04:46:57 <tuanta> #action tuanta to share those ideas onto the mailing list and order design team to do something
04:47:30 <tuanta> harish, or we can exchange another Fedora gift
04:47:40 <tuanta> a cap, for example
04:47:41 <harish> sure.
04:47:45 <tuanta> or T-shirt
04:47:49 <tuanta> etc.
04:47:54 <tuanta> it would be more fun :)
04:48:21 <harish> we just need to explore clever ways to encourage people :-)
04:48:32 <harish> and then execute it
04:48:49 <tuanta> yes :)
04:48:57 <Ashutosh> harish : +1
04:49:27 <tuanta> ok, I marked an action to bring this onto the mailing list
04:49:33 <harish> thanks
04:49:36 <tuanta> we will discuss more with other regions there
04:49:57 <tuanta> next topic?
04:50:02 <harish> yes
04:50:09 <tuanta> #topic FUDCons
04:50:30 <tuanta> you all know that FUDCon Pune 2015 is coming
04:50:45 <tuanta> anyone here is attending?
04:50:49 <harish> i am
04:50:53 <Ashutosh> i am
04:51:04 <nangthang> i am not
04:51:09 <Ashutosh> it will be my first fudcon
04:51:16 <tuanta> yes, cool. see you all there. my flight ticket has been booked
04:51:34 <Ashutosh> tuanta : yes :)
04:51:48 <tuanta> however, do you know we are planning for FUDCon 2016?
04:51:51 * harish need to get my visa etc done. will do so soon.
04:52:14 <praveenkumar> yes, but did we get any bid yet?
04:52:19 <tuanta> the idea behind is: the location for FUDCon 2016 will be announced during FUDCon 2015
04:52:49 <tuanta> there is only one bid up to now; and the deadline is quite closed
04:53:12 <tuanta> that bid is from Cambdian team
04:53:17 <tuanta> Cambodian
04:53:48 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016
04:55:06 <tuanta> I don't know if there is another team, in preparing
04:55:36 <tuanta> it is discussing on fudcon-planning mailing list
04:55:36 <harish> not aware if the Singapore Fedora community is considering bidding.
04:56:20 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2015-May/006045.html
04:57:12 <tuanta> harish, deadline is so closed (tomorrow) and there is no sign that they are doing something
04:57:26 <tuanta> anyway, we will wait to the deadline :)
04:57:27 <harish> indeed
04:57:51 <tuanta> ok, last (but not least) topic
04:57:59 <tuanta> #topic Tickets
04:58:17 <tuanta> there is only one ticket to review this week
04:58:20 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/194
04:58:30 <tuanta> for Fedora 22 Release party AT Aurangabad
04:58:55 <tuanta> thank you Ashutosh and pravins to prepare for it
04:59:09 <harish> +1
04:59:10 <Ashutosh> :)
04:59:15 <tuanta> it is in budget limit ($100) so I don't see any problems with
04:59:29 <praveenkumar> +1
04:59:43 <tuanta> +1 from me. Just thinking more about the new idea (thumbdrives) we discussed today
04:59:55 <nangthang> +1 from me
04:59:56 <Ashutosh> me and pravin is also announcing about FUDCON pune
05:00:03 <Ashutosh> in this release party
05:00:08 <tuanta> +1 Ashutosh
05:00:42 <tuanta> Ashutosh, your vote?
05:00:49 <Ashutosh> +1
05:00:57 <harish> +1
05:01:17 <tuanta> #agreed Approved ticket #194
05:01:36 <tuanta> #action tuanta to modify the ticket #194 to approved
05:01:47 <tuanta> another issue:
05:02:12 <tuanta> there are a few pending for reimbursement tickets now
05:02:15 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/13
05:02:39 <tuanta> izhar seems too busy. He could not process them
05:02:59 <harish> ping him.
05:03:27 <tuanta> harish, I did it a few times during this month
05:03:44 <tuanta> I will retry more :)
05:03:54 <harish> i will do so as well.
05:04:01 <tuanta> yes, thanks
05:04:31 <Ashutosh> tuanta : thanks for this quick approval :)
05:04:36 <tuanta> siddhesh needs money to prepare for F22 media
05:05:01 <tuanta> there are some pending tickets belongs to him (for F21 media :)
05:05:12 <tuanta> ok, time is over, I see
05:05:21 <tuanta> anything else today?
05:05:32 <praveenkumar> tuanta: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/195
05:05:53 <tuanta> #info there are a few pending tickets now. They should be reimbursed asap
05:06:16 <praveenkumar> tuanta: this is rootconf event ticket which happened last week
05:06:16 <tuanta> #action tuanta and harish to ping izhar more
05:06:40 <praveenkumar> tuanta: I created event page and also attached expense here.
05:07:14 <tuanta> praveenkumar, that event has been happened?
05:07:24 <praveenkumar> tuanta: yes, it happened
05:07:31 <tuanta> you opened a ticket too late I think
05:07:56 <tuanta> we will see if we can do anything; but we encourage people to prepare their events/activities asap
05:08:24 <praveenkumar> tuanta: I asked you in last meeting about it and you said, it would be ok to attend event and then file ticket for it, sure have a look.
05:09:06 <tuanta> praveenkumar, sorry, I do not remember that; we are all too busy for day jobs
05:09:24 <praveenkumar> yeah, no problem, Just reminding.
05:09:33 <tuanta> so please follow the guidelines and do everything open
05:09:55 * pravins hope we did voting on f22 aurangbad release party
05:10:03 <praveenkumar> pravins: yep
05:10:05 <tuanta> I see both wiki page and ticket have been opened for about an hour only
05:10:20 <praveenkumar> tuanta: yes, I did it before today meeting.
05:10:42 <tuanta> praveenkumar, you should not do that; all should be prepared asap
05:10:58 <tuanta> have you read these guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
05:10:59 <tuanta> ?
05:11:20 <pravins> great, thanks all  :)
05:11:36 <praveenkumar> tuanta: since there was only travel expense, ticket booked early so there was no change. but will make sure next time follow the guideline
05:12:27 <tuanta> time is over now; this should be discussed more and decided on mailing list, trac for waiting for next meeting
05:13:07 <tuanta> s/for/or
05:13:34 <tuanta> any other topics?
05:13:47 <praveenkumar> not from my side.
05:14:13 <tuanta> ok, thank you all
05:14:17 <harish> thanks.
05:14:21 <tuanta> see you
05:14:23 <praveenkumar> thank you
05:14:26 <tuanta> #endmeeting