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01:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 22 01:00:03 2015 UTC.  The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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01:00:14 <wrnash> Hi there
01:00:15 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:00:16 <Cydrobolt> Hi
01:00:28 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:00:46 <Corey84> here
01:00:56 <award3535> #chair wrnash Cydrobolt
01:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt award3535 wrnash
01:01:04 <Corey84> award3535,  got your eamil tonight jsut now
01:01:48 <award3535> corey84 I just sent it a little while ago, had a reminder on my calendar
01:01:54 <Corey84> another late arrival night?
01:03:16 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:03:29 <award3535> anyone have anything before we start
01:03:38 <Corey84> will be at a few  Area  miny hackathons  in the next  2 months will see if any are game for  Fedora chat /  etc
01:03:48 <award3535> there is only one ticket right now
01:04:15 <award3535> Cydrobolt may be interested
01:04:19 <Corey84> I have nothing pressing
01:04:24 <Cydrobolt> yeah
01:04:31 <Corey84> Its sadly local to DC
01:05:01 <Corey84> but will post when more info comes out as  2 are sponsored by 1776 and aol respectively
01:05:01 <award3535> Corey84 your phone number came up as LA area
01:05:15 <Corey84> award3535,  I never got a DC local
01:05:21 <Corey84> never saw need to
01:05:27 <award3535> no worries
01:06:01 <Corey84> never planned to stay on east coast long enough to need one
01:06:17 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
01:06:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 wrnash
01:06:27 * ParadoxGuitarist waves hello.
01:06:33 <award3535> evening...
01:06:43 <award3535> saw you pop in
01:06:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> thanks
01:07:05 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist did you get my email
01:07:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope
01:07:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> was it in reply to mine?
01:07:31 <award3535> yes
01:07:39 <Corey84> so its not jsut me not getting stuff ....good to know
01:08:10 <AndChat|266961> Jeff is driving his car
01:08:29 <wrnash> Texting and Driving
01:08:37 <award3535> Corey84 your not getting everything yet because you are not fully completed yet, you need to get ahold of me.
01:09:34 <award3535> and just saw your reply
01:09:47 <award3535> okay moving on
01:09:58 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:10:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: I just read your email... I'll bring it up at open floor.
01:10:30 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:10:59 <award3535> .famnaticket 105
01:11:01 <zodbot> award3535: #105 (Event Box and Banner Handling for events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/105
01:11:24 <wrnash> Not sure what we can talk about on this one till the inventory is completed for all the boxes
01:11:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Or now...
01:11:40 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist it would be fine to discuss here since the ticket references
01:11:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> =)
01:11:56 <Corey84> jsut curious how the situation come up tho ?
01:12:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> So... you email doesn't address what we consider inventory
01:12:11 <award3535> wrnash I agree, I have not heard from kk4ewt on the inventory yet
01:12:44 <award3535> there should be a list of what is to be in the box on wiki
01:13:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> So if we're not counting swag, mine is easy. I have two OLPCs.
01:14:00 <award3535> Corey84 there was some things that became frustrating due to banners cloths etc shipping from coast to coast
01:14:17 <Corey84> ah
01:14:21 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist, there is no laptop in the box?
01:14:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope
01:14:33 <award3535> I think this came up awhile ago as well
01:15:07 <award3535> once we get all the data, we will propose a upgrade and purchase of new items for each box
01:15:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> We had one at one point, it was really old... didn't meet some of the standards and reeked of smoke.
01:15:14 <Corey84> award3535,  why would there be?
01:15:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> We brought it up and decided to donate to a community member that needed one
01:16:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> "standards" was a loose term I think it had 1GB of ram.
01:16:48 <award3535> hmm, again I think we as a group need to upgrade them as well or replace them
01:17:03 * ParadoxGuitarist agrees.
01:17:11 <wrnash> Is there a budget for new laptop this year
01:17:23 <award3535> you figure I have been involved in the project since 2008 and have used the same laptop in the east coast box
01:17:48 <award3535> wrnash I will ask ruth if it is possible
01:17:59 <ParadoxGuitarist> Clint Savage suggested having a Fedora Activity day to update them all, but that will be probably a little overkill where budget is concerned.
01:18:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> Do we really need a new laptop? It seems like ambassadors always end up bringing their own laptops.
01:19:06 <award3535> well Fedora activity can be regionalized as well
01:19:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> Personally, I'd rather have a projector, or a large screen.
01:19:10 <Corey84> heck my daily is a dell d820 on 3 g
01:20:06 <wrnash> I agree with having a projector available
01:20:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> It just seems like there's hardly a shortage of laptops at the events (a whopping 3 of them)
01:20:10 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I as well bring two of mine and agree a projector or large monitor for displays
01:21:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> I brought 3 last time at SCaLE, also if someone really needed one for an event I could probably loan them one. There is just other stuff I would rather spend the money on
01:21:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Like more USB drives.
01:21:31 <Corey84> better for showing  mirroring and external display work too id think
01:21:44 <award3535> USB keys are a hard sell for budget though
01:22:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> We don't dump them like all the unused DVDs though.
01:22:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> and we can put spins on them
01:22:30 <award3535> youre right but still a harder sell for budget
01:23:28 <Corey84> heck I could loan usbs to east coast events if needed have a ton
01:23:48 <award3535> So are we migrating away from the standard laptop in the box and moving to a form of media display
01:23:52 <Corey84> use 6 of them daily
01:24:22 <Corey84> when we all have at least one I think makes more sense
01:24:24 <award3535> corey84 you would have to get the Fedora logo on them that is what the standard is
01:24:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> I would rather give away USBs than Pens, pencils, stickers, and DVDs, (even if it means ordering 1/2 the amount for each release)
01:24:48 <Corey84> that through legal guys right?
01:25:04 <Corey84> with ParadoxGuitarist  on that
01:25:12 <award3535> but you could give out personal preparded media
01:25:34 <Corey84> like  a   custom spin for a attendee?
01:25:47 <award3535> corey84 that is correct
01:25:56 <Corey84> say we demo a spin or whatever and send them home with a custom iso
01:26:01 <award3535> I do that all the time for someone who asks
01:26:17 * Corey84 does for  new clients
01:26:18 <award3535> that is what we could use the projector for
01:26:26 <award3535> or the large monitor
01:26:54 <award3535> I made a presentation that shows a little of each
01:27:04 <Corey84> question is tho which would fit event space more often a projector or a say 40-60" monitor
01:27:30 <Corey84> wieght wise i'd lean to projector  for shipping too
01:27:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: you mean now? Yeah, the custom disk but that's not being covered by our budget.... but I'm off topic with this.
01:28:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not just that but shipping a screen that large would be a challenge
01:28:11 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist, we can discuss in open floor
01:28:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> not to mention it won't fit in our current boxes.
01:28:32 <award3535> oh I agree, projector seems to be the right choice
01:28:33 <Corey84> +1 moving to open floor with that
01:28:42 <wrnash> +1
01:29:01 <Corey84> and +1 for projector/monitor over laptop
01:29:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> So we'll need a table cloth, banner, and projector for each box.
01:29:22 <wrnash> Projector
01:29:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> Plus extension cable/power strip.
01:29:56 <Corey84> seems a bit easier to sell for budget too to me at least
01:29:58 <wrnash> and a surge protector
01:30:08 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist that is exactly what we are moving towards, for each box
01:30:31 <award3535> all of those items should already be on the inventory list on the wiki page
01:30:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> That seems a lot more useful than what we've had ther ein the past.
01:30:41 <Corey84> don't most events furnish surge protects tho ?
01:31:12 <award3535> no always, there have been two events I did that I am sure glad they were in the box
01:31:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think we need the router or eth cables.
01:31:23 <Corey84> fair enough
01:31:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> mine are gone anyways.
01:31:55 <Corey84> for a closed networking demo could see use case
01:32:09 <Corey84> NFS / ssh /  etc on a demo
01:32:10 <award3535> Most events have supplied WiFi
01:32:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yep
01:32:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> Corey84: If we want to do that kind of demo, I'm guessing the person setting up would be able to supply that.
01:33:21 <Corey84> agreed, but what's to say a attendee has a "pop up" request
01:33:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> I will say, that if we were to have a computer, a rasberry pi would be an excellent alternative to a laptop.
01:33:34 <Corey84> ^^ +!
01:33:40 <Corey84> much cheaper too
01:33:50 <Corey84> and way to showcase the arm spins
01:33:57 <award3535> Lets get the inventories done and then I think we will propose getting new cloth, banner, and possibly projector
01:34:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> I bet someone at RH might even have a few laying around that we just might be able to get.
01:34:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Where do you need the inventory listed?
01:34:25 <award3535> pi requires monitor you would need one that could be protected with shipments
01:34:30 <Corey84> plarson and I  are in a lug that has a few floating around can ask
01:34:46 <award3535> You can email it to me or kk4ewt
01:34:53 <Corey84> the pis that is not monitors
01:35:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Do you want sticker/pen/pencil/tshirt inventory?
01:35:55 <award3535> Corey 84 with a pi you would need a way to see the display unless you would utilize a projector
01:35:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> No one got back to me on that.
01:36:22 <Corey84> award3535,  the pi2 and b+ can do hdmi to a projector  iirc
01:36:23 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist just the hard items in the event box
01:36:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's just the XO OLPC.
01:36:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> which I emailed out already.
01:37:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey jsandys
01:37:24 <award3535> corey84 my point exactly, we do not have anything in the boxes yet that would support it
01:37:45 <Corey84> fair enough
01:38:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535 is just saying don't put the cart before the horse.
01:38:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> =)
01:38:17 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist there is no power strips or ext cord either
01:38:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope
01:38:48 <award3535> ok, I will see if we can get them replaced
01:38:50 <Corey84> working on a new laptop designed ground up to be all-in-one trully cross platform  ---kinda   habit atm sorry
01:39:27 <award3535> Ok lets move to open floor
01:39:39 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:40:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> Is fedora magazine back up yet?
01:40:15 <Corey84> was the other day
01:40:18 <wrnash> Yes it up
01:40:19 <Corey84> like tuesday
01:40:23 <wrnash> i'm on it now
01:40:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Cool
01:40:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Been too busy this week... documenation week at work
01:40:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> I wanted to submit my report from LFNW
01:41:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll try to get that out this weekend.
01:41:20 <Corey84> always fun
01:42:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> USB drives?
01:42:31 <award3535> go on
01:43:03 <Corey84> is there a master multi dvd iso image again yet ?  like old days
01:43:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> Manufactures are more and more often choosing not to put in CD/DVD drives into their machines.
01:43:09 <Corey84> officially that is
01:43:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Corey84: It won't fit.
01:43:29 <Corey84> on a usb ?
01:43:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> Maybe, but not on DVDs so they didn't make one last release
01:43:56 <Corey84> ah
01:44:04 <award3535> you would have to use a 16gb for all of them
01:44:14 <award3535> that includes spins
01:44:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> Maybe.
01:44:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> We could do 8
01:44:25 <award3535> that is where the cost lies
01:44:29 <Corey84> was thinking maybe have one in /development or  /extras   maybe  for those that image large volume pcs
01:44:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> since they're writeable we could actually have an assorment.
01:45:03 <Corey84> I usually use  8-32g ones personally  forgot that fact
01:45:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> Also it might fit on an 8 GB if it's not multi-arch.
01:45:36 <wrnash> How many people use the usb drives to install Fedora?
01:46:04 <wrnash> I think that most people grab the usb drives and use it for other stuff.
01:46:07 <jsandys> I used a usb drive to install
01:46:35 <Corey84> i do
01:46:48 <award3535> my experience with events is that most people that show up to the booth are using older machines and would perfer DVDs
01:46:52 <Corey84> netinstalls and customs  (customs can be ~3.5-4g)
01:47:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: True, but at some point DVDs are going to be phased out as an actual install option.
01:48:13 <Corey84> if officcially branded there is hope the sight by other will garner interest no?
01:48:29 <jsandys> Agree
01:48:36 <Corey84> heck macs need a super drive now unless using  pre 2010 ones
01:48:44 <award3535> and here is the cost 8GB drive 5.99, logo and color construction would cost about 10 a stick, where as DVD is about 1 sixth of the cost
01:48:54 <jsandys> Why I use my fedora pen
01:48:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> True.
01:49:25 <Corey84> that can be pricey  then didnt realize so high per  usb
01:49:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> actually
01:49:59 <Corey84> who / hwo would i go about having one or two of mine logo'd  or getting ones that were?
01:50:01 <jsandys> Who did you get pricing from
01:50:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> $4 if we get 2,500
01:50:28 <Corey84> for the usb or the logo'ing ParadoxGuitarist
01:50:28 <award3535> I agree with the DVD media going away
01:50:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Both Corey84
01:51:14 <Corey84> for smaller events that  is hard to sell for budget indeed
01:51:15 <award3535> I was just using round figures a 4gb is about 3.50 in bulk
01:51:47 <award3535> the drives I have (very few left) are only 2Gb
01:51:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> How much do we spend on a run of DVDs award3535?
01:52:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> http://www.discountmugs.com/product/usb0018gb-8gb-swivel-promotional-usb-flash-drives/?quantity=12&color=bulk&mm_campaign=5240BD079F071097F942AE10B4D031E2&mm_keyword=91052817501&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=91052817501&utm_content=63810376821&utm_campaign=(PLA)+Shopping+Categories+Promotional&gclid=CNTY2Pad1MUCFZSCfgodbyQAcg&kwid=productads-plaid^91052817501-sku^USB0018GB@ADL4Bulk@ADL412-adType^PLA-devic
01:52:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> e^c-adid^63810376821
01:52:15 <Corey84> well gonna have to bug out early bus home is arriving and no wifi on THIS bus trip ....night all
01:52:31 <wrnash> night corey84
01:54:09 <jsandys> With usbs, you wouldn't pile them on the table like dvds, but handing them out is more personal.
01:54:24 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I do not have the final amount because we also share some of that with other ambassador communities
01:54:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> Hmmm
01:54:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Guestimate?
01:55:10 <award3535> The link you posted shows them just over 11 each for 8GB sticks
01:55:50 <award3535> but the more you buy it goes down to 3.68
01:56:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> Right
01:56:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> we would probably do a run of at least 2,500
01:56:30 <jsandys> I fit a spin with and extra partition on 2gb
01:57:02 <award3535> we spent 5K for F21
01:57:45 <jsandys> Would imaging be included in the cost?
01:57:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> So about double that for 2,500
01:58:10 <award3535> your looking at 9.2K for 2500 where as the 5K we spent is for 3K media pieces
01:58:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> Right, but these could easily last for two releases
01:59:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> I have at least 500 F19 disks to make that point.
02:00:17 <award3535> the 2gb goes to 3.31 per stick
02:00:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> This is also just one site
02:00:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> There might be others with better pricing.
02:00:57 * ParadoxGuitarist shrugs
02:01:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> 3.38 for 4 gb
02:01:43 <award3535> the ubuntu guys had a very small one that did not have a flip cover, we can check on this and propose it up
02:01:53 <award3535> the worst they could say is no
02:02:02 <jsandys> Another meeting calls, bye.
02:02:33 <wrnash> I need to drop Having some DNS issues at work.
02:02:34 <award3535> thank you for attending jsandys
02:02:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> At the least I think we'd be spending about the same amount of money, and it's something people will keep a lot longer than they would a DVD
02:03:41 <award3535> I propose we do some research on this and come up with some proposals. I agree that the more personal approach will get more business.
02:04:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: I know there's oversight for how we spend our budget, but who, other than us, has to approve it?
02:04:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> As long as we're staying within budget?
02:05:52 <award3535> we can approve it, but it still has to go through those who hold credit cards, and sometimes there is a hard pitch to spend the money
02:06:10 <ParadoxGuitarist> I mean if we have 15k a year (or whatever) to spend on swag/media who cares since it fits that profile?
02:06:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> As long as we stay in budget.
02:06:38 <award3535> I think we should research and make a proposal, I will create a ticket
02:07:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm down, I just didn't know if there was a sub-process I didn't know about
02:07:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> Let me know if you need help with any of that
02:07:39 <award3535> As for the DVD media, I think we could produce a minimal amount for events and those who request it
02:08:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yeah
02:08:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> If for whatever reason a DVD drive wouldn't work.
02:08:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> *USB
02:08:28 <award3535> Please do some research and I will email you what I find, and please email me what you find.
02:08:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Sounds like a plan.
02:08:57 <award3535> Ok we are out of time... until next week
02:09:00 <award3535> #endmeeting