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04:09:38 <zsun> #meetingtopic APAC 2015-04-11
04:09:45 <zsun> #topic roll call
04:09:51 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
04:09:52 <praveenkumar> .mynameis praveenkumar
04:09:53 <siddhesh> .hellomynameis siddhesh
04:09:54 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
04:09:55 <pravins> hi praveenkumar :)
04:09:57 <zodbot> siddhesh: siddhesh 'Siddhesh Poyarekar' <spoyarek@redhat.com>
04:09:59 <praveenkumar> .hellomynameis praveenkumar
04:10:00 <tuanta_> .fas tuanta
04:10:00 <zodbot> praveenkumar: Sorry, but you don't exist
04:10:03 <zodbot> tuanta_: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:10:09 <zsun> #chair praveenkumar siddhesh pravins tuanta_
04:10:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: praveenkumar pravins siddhesh tuanta_ zsun
04:10:18 <pravins> .fas pravins
04:10:19 <zodbot> pravins: pravin1 'PravinShah' <pravin_shah812002@yahoo.com> - pravinsp 'Pravin Patil' <pravin.sp26@gmail.com> - pravins 'Pravin Satpute' <psatpute@redhat.com> - pravinshinde 'Pravin Changdeo Shinde' <sndpravin@gmail.com>
04:10:22 <zsun> #chair zerng07
04:10:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: praveenkumar pravins siddhesh tuanta_ zerng07 zsun
04:10:24 <zsun> .fas zsun
04:10:25 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
04:10:27 <praveenkumar> .hellomynameis kumarpraveen
04:10:29 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen 'None' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
04:10:40 <zerng07> .fas zerng07
04:10:41 <zodbot> zerng07: zerng07 'Cheng-Chia Tseng' <pswo10680@gmail.com>
04:10:54 <zsun> tuanta_: pls.
04:11:12 <tuanta_> sorry, I am late
04:11:24 <zsun> #chair tuanta
04:11:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: praveenkumar pravins siddhesh tuanta tuanta_ zerng07 zsun
04:11:55 <tuanta> any topics today?
04:12:02 <zsun> I have two tickets
04:12:05 <siddhesh> I have a couple for FUDCon
04:12:16 <tuanta> #info topic: FUDCon
04:12:27 <tuanta> #info topic: Tickets
04:13:00 <tuanta> any more topics?
04:13:05 <tuanta> ok, lets go
04:13:13 <tuanta> #topic FUDCon
04:13:16 <pravins> 3 tickets with meeting keyword
04:13:33 <tuanta> siddhesh, your turn
04:13:41 <siddhesh> tuanta, thanks
04:13:58 <siddhesh> so the first point is regarding the ambassadors BoF at FUDCon'
04:14:35 <siddhesh> some ambassadors have submitted talks (alick, tuanta, izhar, etc.), so thanks for that
04:15:01 <siddhesh> what is more important though is filing tickets if you need travel sponsorship
04:15:17 <siddhesh> tuanta, you have done that and so has hanthana, thank you both
04:15:20 <zsun> ping alick
04:15:27 <tuanta> siddhesh, I booked my flight ticket already
04:15:35 <siddhesh> I'd like to request the rest who intend to attend, to do so also
04:15:49 <siddhesh> tuanta, yes :)
04:16:21 <pravins> tuanta: nice :)
04:16:22 <siddhesh> if someone does not need sponsorship for travel but is going to attend then please let us know also so that we know you're coming
04:16:45 <tuanta> any wiki to register?
04:16:54 <zsun> AFAIK, for mainland China, Alick will attend
04:17:01 <praveenkumar> it will also help us for accomodation arrangement.
04:17:51 <siddhesh> tuanta, none right now.  I think emailing me should be sufficient.
04:18:19 <tuanta> I think we should have a wiki to list all confirmed people
04:18:24 <siddhesh> praveenkumar, thanks, yes.  even if you don't need sponsorship for stay, we can help you get a good rate for booking
04:18:37 <tuanta> you also need it to arrange the rooms
04:19:04 <tuanta> and transportation
04:19:29 <tuanta> it's a long way from Mumbai to Pune too
04:19:42 <siddhesh> tuanta, the various planning teams are managing them in spreadsheets, but I think we can do that in wiki pages instead
04:19:42 <tuanta> and it is nice to sum all up to a wiki
04:19:58 <siddhesh> tuanta, agreed.  I will suggest that in the next meeting
04:20:06 <tuanta> yes, wiki is more accessible
04:20:09 <siddhesh> next fudcon planning meeting
04:20:45 <siddhesh> the other thing I wanted to ask about was the FUDCon.next idea
04:21:06 <siddhesh> tuanta, is there any action on that?
04:21:12 <tuanta> yes, I sent an email to Council, copy to Matthew
04:21:22 <siddhesh> right, I got that email too, thanks
04:21:26 <tuanta> but no response up to now :(
04:21:42 <siddhesh> :/
04:21:58 <tuanta> I don't know but seem they usually respond us (APAC) really slow
04:22:05 <tuanta> maybe just my personal feelings
04:22:10 <tuanta> but I see that
04:22:31 * siddhesh nods
04:22:43 <siddhesh> that is all on the FUDCon front from me for now then.  Just a reminder before I stop: 30th April is the last day for travel sponsorship requests
04:22:45 <zsun> I feel that people in US always replies emails slow, not only in community
04:23:05 <tuanta> zsun, :)
04:23:41 <zsun> ok, I will reminder alick to file sponsorship request if he has not done that yet
04:23:53 <siddhesh> somebody please remind izhar as well
04:24:32 <tuanta> siddhesh, should be someone in organizing team
04:24:50 <siddhesh> tuanta, ok, I'll drop him an email
04:25:05 <tuanta> you should remind others who have talks accepted
04:25:16 <tuanta> I don't know, but they may miss that
04:25:26 <siddhesh> tuanta, yes, we haven't finished the talk list yet, but hopefully it will be done in the coming week
04:25:37 <tuanta> nice
04:27:33 <tuanta> I will remind Council about the FUDCon.next idea
04:27:51 <siddhesh> thanks tuanta
04:29:55 <tuanta> how about the reimbursement for FUDCon? when will it start?
04:29:55 <siddhesh> that is it from me on FUDCon
04:30:11 <siddhesh> tuanta, travel reimbursement will be after the event
04:31:00 <tuanta> e.g. for me, I paid for my flight ticket from my pocket; it is better if I can get it back sooner; $500-600 is not a small amount for almost people
04:31:10 * siddhesh nods
04:31:34 <siddhesh> tuanta, the trouble is when plans get cancelled or tickets have to be changed, etc.
04:31:46 <siddhesh> it is difficult to manage if reimbursement is done early
04:32:33 <tuanta> or, it is best to have *online* person to book tickets for all
04:32:44 <pravins> yeah, its difficult to reimburse unless travel is actually done.
04:32:51 <zsun> as ruth told us before, the better way is to pay flight tickets from Red Hat credit card if possible. However it did not work at that for Beijing since none of us are Red Hatter
04:33:04 <tuanta> but I am not sure it works since we need to do it fast, price is increasing day to day
04:33:23 <siddhesh> zsun, we don't have any Red Hat credit card either
04:33:31 <zsun> oh.
04:34:05 <tuanta> izhar has one. But he is not responsive these days
04:34:11 <tuanta> he is too busy
04:34:34 <siddhesh> zsun, the only advantage we have is that we can file expenses using our internal system, which takes care of exchange rate and has no transaction fees
04:34:48 <siddhesh> so at least we don't lose any money :)
04:34:56 <zsun> yes I know that.
04:35:39 <siddhesh> tuanta, so the only thing I can say at this point is that if you need the reimbursement early, ask for it and we'll try to do that
04:36:04 <tuanta> thanks siddhesh. we can do it case by case.
04:36:08 <tuanta> next?
04:36:10 <siddhesh> in some cases we might reject (like one applicant from yemen) because we are not sure if the applicant can come at all
04:36:52 <tuanta> btw, Yemen is in middle east, right?
04:37:24 <tuanta> it belongs to EMEA, actually
04:37:33 <siddhesh> tuanta, yes, but the talk is quite interesting (RTL language support in Fedora)
04:38:22 <siddhesh> we have accepted submissions from pretty much all over the world so far with emphasis on APAC
04:38:48 <zsun> Guys from Sri Lanka all failed o get the visa for FUDCon Beijing so I assume visa problem should be take into consideration
04:38:59 <zsun> s/ o / to /
04:39:22 <siddhesh> zsun, yes.  last year there was a major visa reform in India, with a lot of countries getting visa on arrival status
04:39:59 <tuanta> +1 siddhesh
04:40:31 <tuanta> I have never been to India, but I see visa is not too difficult
04:40:36 <tuanta> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_India
04:40:48 <siddhesh> it was lucky for us in fact because it happened only days before the deadline for bid submission :)
04:41:15 <tuanta> :D
04:41:52 <tuanta> I can apply for an ETA online then get visa on arrival at Mumbai airport
04:42:04 <tuanta> anything in this topic?
04:42:22 <siddhesh> nope
04:42:31 <tuanta> #topic Tickets
04:43:22 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:43:26 <pravins> if possible, good to get VISA well in advance rather than depending on On-arrival
04:44:01 <zsun> I filed two tickets, #188 and #189
04:44:33 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #188
04:44:46 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/188
04:44:50 <pravins> i can give input for #185
04:44:54 <tuanta> #info Travel subsidy for zsun to Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015
04:45:02 <zsun> thanks.
04:45:11 <zsun> I will deliver a talk on HKOSC 2015
04:45:27 <tuanta> zsun, have you created an event wiki page?
04:45:43 <zsun> Oh, not yet.
04:45:53 <tuanta> please make sure you follow all guidelines
04:45:54 <zsun> I just thought it refers to the HKOSC page
04:45:56 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
04:46:38 <zsun> ok.
04:46:49 <tuanta> the event could have its website, but it is generic one for everything
04:46:54 <siddhesh> Fedora.next: Building Distribution in the Cloud Era 	Ziqian SUN (Zamir) 	China 	fedora linux cloud 	Fedora 	I 	E 	E
04:47:08 <zsun> I'll do that after the meeting and so come with  this ticket next meeting
04:47:19 <tuanta> you should have a wiki page to show all specific tasks/activities of you and Fedora team their
04:47:28 <tuanta> s/their/there
04:48:07 <zsun> Got it now.
04:48:47 <tuanta> note that budget for FY2016 has not been approved yet
04:48:49 <zsun> #action zsun create a wiki page for HKOSC 2015 to track all Fedora related activities there
04:49:10 <tuanta> however, HKOSC has been listed here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
04:49:14 <tuanta> so we can make it
04:49:39 <tuanta> +1 zsun
04:50:13 <tuanta> any questions or objections on this request?
04:50:36 <tuanta> zsun, you are the only one Fedora person there?
04:50:40 <zsun> So I think we can skip this ticket this meeting.
04:50:50 <tuanta> did you try to get in touch with Fedora community in HK
04:50:52 <tuanta> ?
04:51:06 <zsun> tonghui is also, but he is there to introduce Beijing Linux User Group.
04:51:23 <zsun> I will try to contact with local community again
04:51:30 <tuanta> yes, you should
04:51:44 <tuanta> it's nice to organize more activities there
04:51:51 <zsun> yes
04:52:16 <tuanta> it is a good chance to *refresh* the community in HK
04:52:28 <tuanta> what is the event date?
04:52:35 <zsun> any more issue I should/can do regarding the ticket?
04:52:44 <zsun> it's in June
04:52:55 <zsun> 26 & 27 June 2015 (
04:53:03 <zsun> Friday-Saturday)
04:53:33 <tuanta> yes, so we have enough time to prepare this better
04:53:42 <zsun> ok
04:53:46 <tuanta> should we defer this to the next meeting?
04:53:56 <zsun> ok. just defer this ticket
04:54:16 <tuanta> ok, please re-consider all guidelines :)
04:54:29 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #189
04:54:32 <zsun> I will read through all guidelines again in case I missed some
04:54:36 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/189
04:54:54 <zsun> oh, still mine.
04:55:20 <siddhesh> zsun, I have an extra M size t-shirt, but it will be very expensive to send it :(
04:55:21 <tuanta> all Ambassadors polo shirt is in Cambodia now (with Somvannda)
04:55:49 <tuanta> I will add him into the ticket to discuss how to support you
04:56:04 <siddhesh> oh sorry, I only have all L size :/
04:56:31 <tuanta> siddhesh, it is best to send it from Cambodia
04:56:43 <siddhesh> tuanta, ok
04:56:57 <zsun> yes I know it's too expensive to send, so I also need ideas on how to workaround this. Otherwise I can pay the postage myself if possible
04:57:14 <tuanta> zsun, is it ok if alick can collect it to you from FUDCon?
04:57:25 <tuanta> enough time?
04:57:26 <zsun> FUDCon shares the same time with HKOSC
04:57:32 <tuanta> ok
04:57:34 <zsun> so that is the biggest problem
04:57:55 <tuanta> so, the only way it ship it to your city
04:58:10 <zsun> I think yes.
04:58:50 <tuanta> ok, we have enough time, so we will continue this on the ticket
04:58:57 <tuanta> is that ok?
04:58:57 <zsun> ok.
04:59:01 <tuanta> thanks
04:59:15 <zsun> and we can go through other tickets in the meeting
04:59:35 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #185
04:59:41 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/185
04:59:54 <tuanta> pravins, yours :)
05:00:46 <tuanta> this event has been happened already
05:03:01 <tuanta> this is a small anount and also in schedule so I will simply approve it
05:03:14 <praveenkumar> tuanta: I think pravins wants to know whatelse detail it need to approve it.
05:03:18 <pravins> yes :)
05:03:52 <tuanta> #topic done
05:03:55 <tuanta> sorry
05:03:58 <tuanta> #undo
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05:04:12 <pravins> yeah, it planned in quick time and i was away for fossasia during time.
05:04:12 <pravins> still i requested Ashutosh to raise ticket.
05:04:12 <pravins> he is enthusiast for Fedora
05:04:25 <pravins> thats nice
05:04:44 <tuanta> #topic F21 Media
05:05:07 <praveenkumar> tuanta: #179 I also want to discuss before moving on
05:05:24 <praveenkumar> tuanta: Should I poke Izhar again for this one?
05:05:52 <siddhesh> praveenkumar, I think yes.  My F21 DVD tickets haven't been reimbursed yet either
05:05:53 <tuanta> it has been already approved, just wait for izhar
05:06:12 <tuanta> I will remind him to back to work :)
05:06:21 <tuanta> he is so busy these days
05:06:29 <pravins> thank you tuanta :)
05:06:42 <praveenkumar> thank you
05:06:58 <tuanta> #action tuanta to ask izhar to do reimburse all pending tickets
05:07:19 <tuanta> you are welcome :)
05:07:19 <siddhesh> thanks tuanta
05:07:30 <tuanta> for the F21 media, there are some in Singapore right now
05:07:49 <tuanta> I requested and received 150 WRK and 50 Server DVDs for Vietnam
05:08:05 <tuanta> but I am not sure how about other countries
05:08:15 <tuanta> India and China are ok too
05:08:24 <zsun> one good idea for mainland China is that Red Hat Beijing officially agrees to help receive and peeo Fedora DVD in their office, so we do not need to do this personally
05:08:35 <zsun> s/peeo/keep/
05:09:00 <pravins> praveenkumar: we missed chance to done this in fossasia itself from izhar :)
05:09:03 <tuanta> Sri Lanka is fine too (Danishka is in Singapore now and he will take some back to his country)
05:09:35 <tuanta> we should take all chances
05:10:06 <tuanta> since shipping cost in APAC is expensive (compared to other regions)
05:10:41 <tuanta> I will make another reminder to all APAC ambassadors to request for media soon
05:10:48 <tuanta> F22 is nearly out :(
05:11:15 <tuanta> #action tuanta to remind APAC ambassadors to request for F21 media soon
05:11:20 <siddhesh> tuanta, we should probably have f22 media production tickets out by the next meeting
05:11:30 <siddhesh> f22 will probably turn beta by then
05:11:37 <tuanta> yes, siddhesh
05:11:55 <tuanta> it has been slipped a week, but it is so close to get the final GA
05:12:02 <siddhesh> tuanta, I'm going to produce extra workstation DVDs this year due to FUDCon
05:12:23 <siddhesh> I don't know if the server DVDs have been useful
05:12:33 <tuanta> nice; and it is a good place to distribute media and swag to other countries in APAC
05:12:51 <tuanta> I think it is
05:12:59 <tuanta> just keep it less than workstation ones
05:13:06 <siddhesh> ok
05:13:30 <zsun> Someone in China have doubts whether it is cheap enough to request from APAC instead of produce ourselves
05:13:42 <siddhesh> I'll file a ticket.  I also will look for a volunteer to do a multiboot spin so that we can have multiple spins in the same DVD
05:13:45 <tuanta> #idea produce F22 media and distribute it at FUDCon Pune
05:14:03 <siddhesh> zsun, yeah, China should probably do it themselves too
05:14:14 <tuanta> zsun, we need numbers
05:14:25 <zsun> Usually it takes us around USD 1/DVD if produce  more than 100pcs.
05:14:48 <zsun> We are collecting the numbers of DVD spend in events to make it clear next time
05:15:03 <tuanta> +1 zsun
05:15:44 <zsun> so by the end of this year  we will have a pretty clear statistics
05:16:06 <tuanta> anything else?
05:16:11 <siddhesh> nothing from me
05:16:13 <tuanta> #topic Open floor
05:16:19 <zsun> one more thing
05:16:29 <tuanta> go ahead, zsun
05:16:30 <siddhesh> I have to go, see you all in the next meeting
05:17:19 <zsun> I want to know, when nominate mentors for ambassadors
05:17:25 <zsun> I mean,
05:17:57 <zsun> I am thinking of applying to be a mentor to solve the problem that there is not enough mentors in China
05:18:07 <zsun> so is that only my mentor can nominate me?
05:18:30 <tuanta> no, zsun
05:18:58 <tuanta> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
05:19:07 <tuanta> "Regional Ambassador Mentors are a group of people - selected, proposed and appointed by people - not by a leveling system - based on trust (and a lot of soft facts). Prospective mentors are nominated by existing Mentors and confirmed by FAmSCo - [1]. If you want to be a mentor for the Ambassador group, be a good ambassador and if asked, volunteer to help, when needed. One great way to prepare is, to be a good mentor for the project as a whole." Men
05:19:07 <tuanta> tors follow a defined process for helping candidates join the Ambassadors program.
05:20:02 <tuanta> I don't think we are lack of mentor resources in APAC now
05:20:12 <zsun> oh, I mean for China.
05:20:21 <tuanta> China is in APAC wither
05:20:26 <tuanta> s/either
05:20:47 <zsun> So you mean, Chinese can also apply for mentorship from other areas of APAC?
05:20:49 <tuanta> we are divided by region, not by country
05:21:04 <tuanta> yes, they should
05:21:16 <zsun> ok. Then the problem is some kind of solved. And I will reply this to the local community.
05:21:18 <tuanta> fell free to choose a mentor in APAC
05:22:26 <tuanta> anything else?
05:22:37 <tuanta> I will end the meeting in a minute
05:22:45 <zsun> the last is an advise,
05:22:48 <zsun> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement#Travel_Subsidies
05:23:10 <zsun> I did not see it refers to create a wiki page. So maybe we should add this as an item for travel subsidies as well?
05:23:29 <zsun> and nothing else from me then.
05:24:13 <tuanta> you should create an event page for such purpose I mentioned before
05:24:18 <zsun> ok
05:24:39 <tuanta> end meeting?
05:24:56 <tuanta> zsun, can you send meeting minutes to the mailing list?
05:24:57 * zsun nothing else
05:25:00 <zsun> ok
05:25:02 <tuanta> #endmeeting