14:02:57 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:02:59 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:03:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:03:00 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:03:43 * smccann_ is here but only for the next 15 min
14:03:45 <randomuser> #chair bexelbie jsilhan_
14:03:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsilhan_ randomuser
14:03:49 <randomuser> heh
14:03:52 <randomuser> #undo
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14:03:58 <grundblom> here for about 30ish minutes
14:03:58 <randomuser> #chair bexelbie jsmith
14:03:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsilhan_ jsmith randomuser
14:04:01 <bexelbie> here but on a call for a few min
14:04:15 <randomuser> ack
14:04:25 <randomuser> I guess you're stuck with us, jsilhan_
14:05:49 * rkratky here
14:05:57 * Capesteve waves
14:06:14 <kvanwess> I am here, listening mostly
14:06:19 <pkovar> /me is here
14:07:49 <randomuser> ah, here it is
14:07:55 <randomuser> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-03-23/fedora_docs.2015-03-23-14.04.html
14:08:10 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on action items
14:08:23 <randomuser> striker created a series of bugs for us, and deferred them
14:08:32 * pbokoc 
14:09:21 <randomuser> there is an ongoing discussion about whether yum-dnf will be installed; it's basically `ln -s /usr/bin/dnf /usr/bin/yum`
14:10:13 <striker> deferred them due to mattdm's comments
14:10:19 <randomuser> if /usr/bin/yum still exists there is less imperative to change the copy, but IMO it's going to make documentation confusing when `/usr/bin/yum` could be either yum or dnf
14:10:26 <striker> I can re-open them once the replacement decision is made :)
14:10:59 <randomuser> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1312
14:11:21 <randomuser> awesome
14:11:35 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:11:46 <randomuser> any new writer activity to discuss today?
14:12:20 <smccann_> i think i'm out of git kindergarten finally
14:12:36 <smccann_> https://fedorapeople.org/cgit/mccann2  if anyone wants to peek to see for sure :-)
14:12:46 <kvanwess> still getting started, will contact my mentor later
14:12:57 <jsilhan_> I am here
14:13:38 * randomuser glances at the cgit
14:13:52 <pkovar> jsilhan_: welcome :)
14:14:47 <randomuser> looks like you're getting the hang of it, smccann_, nice
14:14:59 * bexelbie is 80^% back
14:15:14 <smccann_> randomuser - huzzah!  ok have to run to a meeting.. thanks!
14:16:29 <randomuser> kvanwess, glad to see you're still interested!
14:16:43 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes
14:17:15 <randomuser> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-docs-tasks.html
14:18:20 <randomuser> so, at this point the schedule has us frozen in the wiki, mostly complete in git, and all translation in
14:18:34 <randomuser> we have maybe 15% coverage in the wiki
14:19:33 <randomuser> mattdm was nice enough to give us a plug in his weekly magazine post, so imo we should leave the wiki open for another week to see if it gains any content
14:21:02 * randomuser ponders
14:21:23 <pbokoc> beta is in two weeks?!
14:21:43 <randomuser> yup
14:22:01 <pbokoc> well... whoops
14:22:09 <pbokoc> time to write some release notes, I think
14:22:18 <randomuser> I guess I should send some sort of mail to the list
14:22:58 <randomuser> we'll end up covering just the Changeset, probably
14:23:29 <pbokoc> yeah, I guess that's gonna have to do for beta... do you have a BZ search for all changes for f22 handy?
14:23:32 <randomuser> #info beta release is in two weeks, release notes need help
14:24:31 <pbokoc> well, at least the changeset seems smaller than for f21...
14:24:54 <randomuser> anecdotally, it would be great if most developers were on the same medication as the i18n folks, who thoroughly own their beat for every release
14:25:36 <randomuser> #info look for changes without release notes owner at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/ChangeSet
14:26:19 <randomuser> nice, it was updated today, even
14:26:22 <randomuser> jreznik++
14:26:22 <zodbot> randomuser: You have already given 1 karma to jreznik
14:26:43 <pbokoc> jreznik++
14:26:50 * pbokoc to the rescue!
14:26:56 <randomuser> #action randomuser to remind everyone about release notes
14:27:01 <randomuser> pbokoc++
14:27:01 <zodbot> randomuser: You have already given 1 karma to pbokoc
14:27:08 <pbokoc> :D
14:27:25 * jreznik is finalizing the list for wed fesco meeting :)
14:27:37 <pkovar> jreznik++
14:27:49 <pkovar> i like this karma thingy
14:27:49 <jreznik> docs_team++++++
14:27:54 <pkovar> very useful
14:28:03 <randomuser> I'm going to skip publishing; no significant news here
14:28:15 <randomuser> #topic Fedora.next updates
14:28:44 <randomuser> the agenda has some stale stuff here
14:29:30 <randomuser> on the beats page, we have no confirmed writers for workgroup beats
14:29:46 <randomuser> actually, nvm, FranciscoD|Uni is taking workstation
14:30:03 <randomuser> so we need cloud and server
14:30:29 * FranciscoD|Uni peeps
14:30:32 * FranciscoD|Uni nods
14:31:00 <randomuser> ...and bcotton is taking cloud, but in the other section :{
14:31:46 <randomuser> so, server.. I can do that
14:32:30 <grundblom> well nevermind I have to leave now,
14:32:35 <grundblom> sorry and thanks!
14:32:37 <randomuser> unless there are volunteers?
14:32:55 <randomuser> later, grundblom, glad you could make some
14:32:58 <pbokoc> doubt it :)
14:33:32 <randomuser> the break in monologue is nice, anyway :P
14:33:40 <randomuser> #action randomuser to write Fedora Server beat
14:33:54 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:34:20 <randomuser> Capesteve is winning
14:34:30 <Capesteve> :)
14:34:41 <pbokoc> fyi, here's a bug list of all accepted changes for f22: http://red.ht/1BWivVf
14:35:01 <FranciscoD> randomuser: i think there were people ready to work on the cloud flyer - they may be interested in taking the beats? Worth a mail to mktg, do you think?
14:35:28 <FranciscoD> s/cloud/server
14:35:39 <randomuser> FranciscoD, yeah, that's a good idea. I'll remind them about the wiki.
14:36:35 <randomuser> how about other guides, any news?
14:37:09 <randomuser> I would say that we should pick a handful and hackfest one weekly until release day, but we have sooo much for RNs still
14:38:09 <pkovar> I'd say we should organize a hackfest some time soon ;)
14:38:17 <pkovar> or a FAD, if you like
14:38:52 <randomuser> yeah, I think we should
14:38:57 <randomuser> wher eis that schedule
14:39:46 <randomuser> would the same scheme work out, a bicontinental FAD?
14:40:51 <randomuser> perhaps we should discuss out of meeting and see if the idea can get critical mass
14:41:16 <pkovar> randomuser: +1
14:41:55 <randomuser> you're all welcome to raid the beer fridge in my garage at any time, maybe we don't need all this formal planning :)
14:42:47 <randomuser> #action randomuser to touch base with marketing about RNs
14:43:48 <randomuser> so, other guides, hmm
14:44:20 <randomuser> hopefully we can help grundblom and smccann_afk get the virt quickstart guide in working order for release, that's coming along well
14:44:29 <Capesteve> I think OpenSSH Guide is incomplete and marked as Fedora 13, I think it should be moved to the "Old Guides" wiki page
14:44:36 <randomuser> the accessibility guide is getting traction
14:45:05 <randomuser> Capesteve, worksforme, will you do it?
14:45:13 <Capesteve> OK
14:45:17 <randomuser> Capesteve, and maybe the freeipa guide while you're at it?
14:45:28 <Capesteve> and the Wireless Guide
14:46:18 <randomuser> yeah, use your judgment and clean it up, if you would
14:46:51 <randomuser> as long as there's a link from the main table , we're good
14:47:35 <randomuser> pkovar, how is the packager's guide coming?
14:47:43 <randomuser> any plans?
14:48:10 <pkovar> randomuser: i am currently focusing on SCL docs
14:48:30 <randomuser> cool, there's need for that
14:48:57 <pkovar> randomuser: the question whether people are fine with wiki pages for packagers or whether we want a stand-alone guide is still open
14:49:09 * randomuser nods
14:49:47 <randomuser> people are accustomed to using the wiki for this info, but imo if the page was cleared and linked to a guide, they would use that too
14:50:10 <pkovar> randomuser: agreed
14:50:36 <randomuser> since these pages are not generally edited by just anyone, it'd require buy-in from those that do edit it
14:50:52 <randomuser> ...not news to you, I'm sure
14:50:53 <pkovar> and then you have packaging guidelines
14:51:08 <pkovar> which are maintained by the FPC
14:52:24 <randomuser> pkovar, anything I can do to help ?
14:52:36 <pkovar> (so the packager's guide would really be a HOWTO doc)
14:52:40 <randomuser> have all the stakeholders been contacted and weighed in?
14:53:09 <pkovar> randomuser: they were, like a year ago
14:53:23 <randomuser> I guess I was picturing the guidelines being moved into that guide; they're an integral part of my packaging reference material
14:53:25 <pkovar> they seemed to agree on a new HOWTO/guide being a good idea
14:53:35 <randomuser> ok
14:54:36 <pkovar> randomuser: it just needs someone who has time to get the job done now :)
14:54:54 <randomuser> ha, I don't know anyone like that :)
14:55:04 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:55:07 <pkovar> randomuser: that's what i am talking about :)
14:55:41 <randomuser> last week there was a semi-impromptu meeting about improving the new contributor experience across the project, andd lnovich attended to represent us
14:56:14 <randomuser> from what I gather, it was very productive, and I *think* there are plans for a FAD in westford about it sometime soon
14:57:04 <randomuser> (it might work out to have our own FAD be +/- that event, and maybe gain some participation and coordination on facilities, etc)
14:57:08 <bexelbie> +1
14:58:03 <randomuser> so that's my tentative plan for a docs fad, get more info about the join fad and float the idea with mattdm and mizmo
14:58:42 <randomuser> also, there is a fedora Join SIG, centered around helping new contributors get started and familiar with how the community works
14:59:12 <randomuser> the recent efforts aren't coming from within the join SIG but it bears mentioning
15:00:44 <kvanwess> randomuser could you tell me some more about that outside the meeting?
15:01:02 <randomuser> kvanwess, certainly
15:01:10 <randomuser> because our time is up!
15:01:13 <randomuser> #endmeeting