06:00:01 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:06 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:10 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:14 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-02-18
06:00:29 <pravins> who else here?
06:01:04 <paragan> hi
06:01:07 <anish_> Hi
06:01:13 <tagoh_> hi
06:01:21 <pravins> hi anish_ paragan tagoh_ :)
06:01:47 * juhp_ is here
06:02:01 <pravins> hi juhp_ :)
06:02:03 <pravins> lets move ahead till other joins the meeting.
06:02:08 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:13 <pravins> #info 2015-02-10  	Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide
06:02:13 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Alpha Freeze
06:02:13 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Software String Freeze
06:02:13 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:02:13 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Bodhi activation point
06:02:14 <pravins> #info 2015-03-10 	Alpha Release
06:02:17 <mfabian> Hi!
06:02:24 <pravins> hi mfabian :)
06:02:38 <pravins> no slip yet. hoping we will have Fedora 22 slip free release ;)
06:02:46 <pravins> #topic Outstanding topic
06:02:49 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:02:52 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:03:04 <pravins> anish_: did you talked with whot?
06:03:21 <pravins> paragan: any chance working on xkb layout wiki?
06:03:24 <anish_> yeah I sent him an email, waiting for his reply
06:03:52 <pravins> anish_: great, do update ticket once you get any reply from him. Good to have these changes in Fedora 22 if possible.
06:04:04 <anish_> yeah
06:04:04 <pravins> #action anish to update #36 as per reply from whot.
06:04:39 <paragan> pravins, actually I find the list already exists on our systems. The file /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst contains the required information. I will add that to wiki then :)
06:04:40 <juhp_> I talked briefly to Rui in Brno - he is currently busy with Wayland but plans to return to g-c-c after that
06:06:29 <pravins> paragan: that will be nice. evdev file is not very explanatory. I think wiki will help lot for further work.
06:06:44 <paragan> okay
06:07:09 <pravins> juhp: you earlier suggestions regarding anaconda layout chooser and
06:07:15 <pravins> gnome-initial-setup  Input Sources selection.
06:07:15 <mfabian> pravins: evdev.lst contains what information?
06:07:33 <pravins> i think we can target that in testing day.
06:08:39 <pravins> mfabian: i think xkb layout available. may be paragan am i missing anything?
06:08:57 <mfabian> I do not understand the format of evdev.lst.
06:09:06 <mfabian> evdev.xml lists the layouts available.
06:09:17 <mfabian> I am not sure what evdev.lst does.
06:10:01 <pravins> evdev.xml is bit more understandable.
06:10:04 <mfabian> Maybe they are the same, only evdev.lst is in a hard to read format?
06:10:48 <paragan> I think the information on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps is found not sufficient and readable
06:11:24 <paragan> so we were in need of adding the actual xkb layout name
06:11:32 <pravins> mfabian: yes, me too also think same.
06:11:39 <paragan> all this information is already there in evdev files
06:12:07 <pravins> paragan: yes, once we get list we can ask on devel which layouts are required and move others.
06:13:15 <pravins> #info  /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml provide xkb layouts information.
06:13:28 <pravins> lets move on.
06:13:29 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:13:32 <pravins> #info #42: Fedora 22 i18n test day (tagoh)
06:13:36 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/42
06:13:48 <pravins> In last week we agreed on 19th march for i18n test day.
06:14:07 <pravins> tagoh_: do you have any further update for same?
06:15:16 <pravins> I would like to propose activity day next week for cleaning and adding new test cases.
06:15:28 <pravins> How do you feel about it?
06:15:30 <tagoh_> nope rather than I've updated the ticket
06:16:53 <juhp_> pravins, nice idea
06:17:17 <tagoh_> SGTM
06:17:31 <pravins> great.
06:17:49 <paragan> good
06:18:15 <pravins> #action pravins to schedule gathering for i18n test case cleanup and adding new test cases.
06:18:29 <pravins> one more action item on me :(
06:18:35 <pravins> #action pravins to write article in Fedora Magzine for testing i18n.
06:18:53 <pravins> thank you tagoh_ for update.
06:18:55 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:19:04 <pravins> #info #39: Bugs corner (pravins)
06:19:10 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/39
06:19:22 <pravins> This ticket is not going as we planned earlier.
06:19:37 <pravins> We are frequently getting over the scheduled time for meeting.
06:19:52 <pravins> So i think we should close this ticket. And may be work on bugs with some events.
06:20:01 <pravins> Release of particular Fedora or something.
06:20:40 <pravins> i skipped this ticket in last 2 meetings.
06:20:49 <pravins> should i close this ticket?
06:21:14 <anish_> yeah
06:21:46 <paragan> yes we can close it
06:22:39 <pravins> thanks anish_ paragan if no objection from others i will close this today.
06:22:50 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins)
06:22:55 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40
06:23:04 <pravins> This is important topic for day.
06:23:19 <pravins> Alpha freeze is just 5 days away. Our changes must be 100% complete by that date.
06:23:29 <pravins> lets go through all our planned changes.
06:23:40 <pravins> Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
06:23:46 <pravins> i fear i will not able to complete Lohit Telugu by Alpha freeze. We need to involve QE for testing of Telugu script. :(
06:24:04 <pravins> though i will work during weekend for same and see if this is possible.
06:24:12 <pravins> Worst case will just go ahead with Odia.
06:24:20 <pravins> Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
06:24:33 <pravins> mfabian: any update on this? are we doing good for this Change?
06:24:50 <mfabian> The langtable change is done.
06:24:59 <pravins> Changes/minglish
06:25:20 <mfabian> So it probably works already in rawhide. Marko tried to test it but the rawhide image didn’t boot.
06:25:40 <anish_> most of the changes have been done but i need to write its help/documentation
06:25:52 <pravins> anish_: wow, thats good.
06:26:35 <pravins> mfabian: thats nice. Might be we can get something better by Alpha freeze for testing :)
06:26:41 <pravins> Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7
06:27:09 <pravins> This is going well now. I am hoping we will have this in by Alpha freeze.
06:27:27 <pravins> mfabian: i think nothing is pending from our side now.
06:27:34 <pravins> Changes/DnfLangpacksPlugin
06:27:44 <pravins> paragan: is already 100% done with this :)
06:28:00 <paragan> yep :)
06:29:12 <pravins> hmm, no glibc build with Unicode 7 patch yet.
06:29:24 <pravins> #action pravins to ping lxo for Fedora build.
06:30:32 <pravins> lets move to next topic.
06:30:34 <pravins> #info #43: I18n FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:30:48 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
06:30:56 <pravins> We started discussing this last week.
06:31:01 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_I18nTeam_2015
06:31:06 <pravins> In last meeting we started discussing on it. May be today we are at bit better stage for discussing it.
06:31:38 <pravins> 1. Should we have it.
06:32:13 <pravins> I think we should have it, we all work remotely its good to gather together and work on some priority task and plan future direction.
06:33:59 <pravins> any votes agree/disagree for this? :)
06:35:03 <pravins> tagoh_: mfabian anish_ paragan juhp_ ^^
06:35:17 <anish_> +1 on we should have it
06:35:23 <mfabian> I like the idea.
06:36:14 <paragan> paragan, +1
06:36:24 <pravins> thanks anish_ mfabian paragan
06:36:40 <smaitra_> smaitra_, +1
06:36:44 <tagoh_> sounds good.
06:37:11 <pravins> smaitra_: nice, QE is also interested :)
06:37:20 <pravins> tagoh_: great.
06:37:26 <tagoh_> though most bigger problem on it may be a budget?
06:37:33 <pravins> tagoh_: exactly.
06:37:42 <pravins> its difficult to say presently whether it will happen on not.
06:38:10 <anish_> it would be nice if we get budget apart from Fedora/RH
06:38:42 <pravins> we can ask OSAS for budget but for that we need to decide dates and venue
06:39:36 <anish_> are their any open source companies that they could sponsor us
06:39:49 <pravins> anish_: AFAIK no.
06:40:42 <juhp_> pravins, in Pune?
06:40:58 <pravins> either Pune or Japan.
06:41:06 <juhp_> dunno if we can have some remote participation too?
06:41:28 <pravins> In Japan we already have 4-5 contributors. so travelling budget will get reduce by same.
06:41:35 <pravins> juhp: yes, remote participation is allowed.
06:41:49 <juhp_> or both?
06:41:55 <pravins> yes.
06:42:19 <pravins> there is good chances that someone will miss it.
06:42:38 <pravins> so remote participation is required. i see in other FAD that was allowed.
06:42:53 <juhp_> right
06:42:56 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014
06:43:02 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_DesignTeam_2014
06:43:11 <pravins> these two FAD's happened recently.
06:45:19 <pravins> for now lets start adding names to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_I18nTeam_2015 , we will discuss it further in coming week.
06:45:23 <pravins> lets move on.
06:45:28 <pravins> #info #44: Fedora badge for i18n team member (pnemade)
06:45:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/44
06:45:47 <pravins> paragan: I liked the idea.
06:46:03 <pravins> I think Badge do motivate some users to contribute. At least for new users, since they do get some acknowledgement.
06:46:12 <paragan> As said in ticket we need approval for proposal given in ticket.
06:46:34 <pravins> i see two badge you proposed.
06:46:43 <pravins> 1. You own i18n package.
06:47:30 <pravins> 2.  You are a proud member of Fedora Fonts SIG.
06:47:48 <paragan> right both are not same
06:48:08 <pravins> we need to make bit proper difference in both.
06:48:30 <paragan> both badges are tracked by the virtual fas user we used to add while requesting new package SCM request
06:48:44 <juhp_> aha
06:50:40 <pravins> two badges looks good.
06:50:51 <tagoh_> that said there are no explicit guidelines to add it in cc. do we need to make more clearer about it too?
06:51:43 <pravins> yes, we should have clear guideline.
06:51:48 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_SCM_admin_requests#Pseudo-users_and_Groups_for_SIGs
06:52:00 <paragan> I am using this guideline
06:53:05 <paragan> One of the basic motivation for this is let people motivate to add these virtual FAS users
06:53:24 <pravins> thats good idea.
06:53:25 <paragan> there can be packages that may get added to Fedora without this virtual FAS user
06:53:40 <paragan> and we will then miss its bug reports and commit mails
06:53:47 <juhp_> true
06:53:52 <juhp_> sounds good
06:53:58 <pravins> #info it will motivate people to add virtual fas users i18n-team and fonts-sig in packages.
06:54:18 <pravins> i think we can go ahead with it.
06:54:29 <pravins> any disagreement with this?
06:55:17 <pravins> tagoh_: do you think we can add more clean guideline anywhere?
06:55:25 <pravins> s/clean/clear
06:55:47 <pravins> meanwhile lets move ahead.
06:55:54 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:56:23 <pravins> I have created ticket for Docs before the meeting. https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/45
06:56:32 <pravins> will do planning in next meeting.
06:56:54 <pravins> any other topic we missed today?
06:57:14 <pravins> Aha, one more from me
06:57:15 <tagoh_> pravins: good. though we may need to check the existing packages if those are following that
06:57:15 <pravins> http://fudcon.in/call-paper
06:57:36 <juhp_> docs beat good
06:57:59 <pravins> tagoh_: agree.
06:58:19 <pravins> we hope with badges it can happen two way. from package owner as well from i18n team :)
06:58:30 <juhp_> I was assuming the badge would only be for new packages?
06:58:46 <paragan> no
06:58:55 <juhp_> ok
06:58:58 <paragan> I will compile a list of package owners who have added i18n-team
06:59:09 <pravins> As you know FUDCon APAC 2015 happening in Pune this time.
06:59:09 <paragan> and comment in badges ticket
06:59:18 <paragan> and we will award it manually
06:59:51 <pravins> Speakers will get accommodation. Travel is not sure presently. It will be decided based on how many people requested and available budget.
07:00:09 <pravins> but FUDCon trying to do best as possible for speaker.
07:00:19 <pravins> do submit paper :)
07:00:34 <pravins> lets close meeting in 2 minutes if nothing else.
07:00:47 <juhp_> meeting is end of June?
07:01:05 <juhp_> pravins, +1
07:01:47 <pravins> yes. FUDCon is on 26-28 Jun.
07:02:21 <pravins> #endmeeting