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02:01:07 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
02:01:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jan 23 02:01:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:01:25 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
02:01:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
02:01:40 <Corey84> .fasinfo corey84
02:01:40 <zodbot> Corey84: User: corey84, Name: Corey84, email: sheldon.corey@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-28, IRC Nick: corey84-, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 02D670FD  1C9129B1 , Status: active
02:01:43 <zodbot> Corey84: Unapproved Groups: marketing
02:01:46 <zodbot> Corey84: Approved Groups: fi-apprentice cla_fpca cla_done
02:01:54 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:02:24 * qwebirc853712 ParadoxGuitarist is here
02:02:33 <award3535> #chair corey84 qwebirc853712
02:02:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 corey84 qwebirc853712
02:02:35 <Corey84> award3535, heads up your emails you pm'd me last week bounced back regarding group membership
02:03:05 <Corey84> google didnt like greylisting
02:03:14 <Cydrobolt> Hi
02:03:15 * Cydrobolt is here as well
02:03:31 <award3535> corey84 thats odd you can also send it to award3535@fedoraproject.org or award3535@tds.net
02:03:34 <Cydrobolt> .fas cydrobolt
02:03:35 <zodbot> Cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' <summermontreal@gmail.com>
02:03:53 <award3535> #chair cydrobolt
02:03:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 corey84 cydrobolt qwebirc853712
02:04:03 <jsandys> Driving
02:04:09 <Corey84> they both came back  google failed greylist on fp.o
02:04:20 <qwebirc853712> wow quite the crowd here
02:04:35 <award3535> #chair jsandys
02:04:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 corey84 cydrobolt jsandys qwebirc853712
02:04:43 <Cydrobolt> qwebirc853712, you can /nick
02:05:29 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
02:06:20 <award3535> this will probably be a short meeting, no tickets unless there is something that comes up
02:08:02 <award3535> corey84 I just emailed you a test
02:08:33 <Corey84> i'll be dipped that went through award3535
02:08:48 <Corey84> i'll reply to that eamil then
02:09:32 <award3535> go ahead and reply so that I can get them to you.
02:10:07 <award3535> moving on
02:10:10 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
02:10:22 <award3535> there are none listed for the meeting......
02:11:20 <award3535> if anyone has no objection I will move on to open floor
02:11:43 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
02:12:13 <ParadoxGuiarist> ok
02:12:15 <ParadoxGuiarist> better
02:12:31 <ParadoxGuiarist> what are we talking abbout?
02:12:39 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuiarist
02:12:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuiarist award3535 corey84 cydrobolt jsandys qwebirc853712
02:12:56 <award3535> its open floor, no tickets for the meeting
02:13:02 <Cydrobolt> Okay
02:13:14 <award3535> Your NAMM ticket is open, just not on meeting sched
02:13:17 <ParadoxGuiarist> I would like to bring up media if no one has anything
02:13:24 <award3535> go
02:13:27 <Cydrobolt> go ahead
02:13:30 * ParadoxGuiarist nods.
02:13:58 <ParadoxGuiarist> I' don't know about everyone else but I still have a ton of F20 media left over
02:14:09 * ParadoxGuiarist is on an ipad so typing is slow... sorrry
02:14:24 <award3535> I have a full box left
02:14:36 <Cydrobolt> Mhm
02:14:41 <Cydrobolt> I shipped mine off last month
02:14:50 <ParadoxGuiarist> And we're alreay ordering more for F21
02:15:02 <Cydrobolt> Okay
02:15:27 <ParadoxGuiarist> I have USB keys left over (from F18 I think)
02:15:30 <award3535> nb had the approval a couple of weeks ago for media and ruth was at the meeting
02:15:47 <award3535> I have a few F20 USBs
02:16:01 <Corey84> possible to get  robotics spin media  for local university and makerspace
02:16:04 <award3535> only because I got them from spot
02:16:25 <ParadoxGuiarist> what's great is that I can upudate the USB for whatever fits
02:16:48 <ParadoxGuiarist> also a lot of laptops dont even come with  cd drives anymore
02:16:55 <Cydrobolt> Yeah
02:16:56 <award3535> Corey84, you may want to get a ticket set up if there is a specific amont
02:17:00 <Cydrobolt> I still have a couple USBs as well
02:17:12 <Corey84> award3535,  kk
02:17:30 <Corey84> would be nearly  100 for two upcoming maker fairs
02:17:45 <award3535> Corey84 how many are we talking about total
02:17:45 <ParadoxGuiarist> Corey84 That's part of the issue too it's not feasable to do a smalll order like that for a specific spin
02:18:06 <award3535> that is what I was just getting at
02:18:10 <Corey84> what is considered large ParadoxGuiarist
02:18:14 <ParadoxGuiarist> norrmally we only have the one spin we order
02:18:22 <award3535> 1k or more
02:18:37 <ParadoxGuiarist> exactly
02:18:45 <Corey84> ah may just invest locally in the media lol
02:19:02 <ParadoxGuiarist> does it make sense to continue doing media orders the way we have been?
02:19:17 <Corey84> or wait to sete what  confs   ill be able to attend and make a larger order
02:19:30 <award3535> If the event is large enough, you can always put a ticket in stating what the media is for, and get re embursed for your expenses in media
02:19:48 <award3535> that is another way around it
02:20:16 <award3535> you will have to do the whole wiki event and create a page, etc.....
02:20:44 <Corey84> these sadly are not that big
02:21:16 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I had mentioned the fact about the three models we now have and what we had for a target audience
02:22:12 <award3535> several meetings ago, like in Sep 2014 I was concerned about marketing and finding out what people thought about media in the future
02:23:20 <ParadoxGuiarist> The other thing I've been thinkin abbout is looking at getting a media/DVD Burner/Printer and do smaller batches as we need them. We could get a generic sleeve and use a label to identiffy what it is. Also the disk could have a custom image with what spin it is Desktop/server//Cloud/Gaming/Jam/Security/robotics We would could do a media request for an amount and sppin type if we had our own equipment
02:23:33 <award3535> Corey84 you may want to do the event thing for even 50 people, doesnt hurt to go through the process and approve a budget amount for $200 dollars for reemb
02:24:50 <ParadoxGuiarist> How much do we normally spend on media for evey release?
02:24:54 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I usually bring the media spins electronically and bring generic sleeves and DVD media
02:25:21 <Corey84> ^^ what i was thinking of for maker fairs
02:26:04 <award3535> I will check the amount, give me a second
02:26:42 <ParadoxGuiarist> I do too awarad3535. But If we have a significant mount left over that isn't being used does, would having a more flexible media make sense?
02:27:36 <ParadoxGuiarist> We wouldn't throw away usb drives
02:28:05 <ParadoxGuiarist> and we would probably use everything if we printed them as we need them.
02:28:47 <AndChat|266961> Can you get cheap 2gb usb sticks?
02:28:49 <award3535> on 8 jan we approved 5K media at a cost of $5280
02:29:55 <ParadoxGuiarist> Those burners that will print/burn normally do 100 at a time and cost about $2000
02:30:21 <ParadoxGuiarist> I have 2 boxes of F20 and a box of F19 I don't know what to do with
02:30:42 <ParadoxGuiarist> maybe more of the F20 I'd have to check
02:30:44 <Corey84> cd media or usb ParadoxGuiarist
02:30:58 <ParadoxGuiarist> All DVDs
02:31:08 <Corey84> geez
02:31:11 <award3535> ParadoxGuiarist do as I do and donate them to the local high school/community college
02:31:21 <ParadoxGuiarist> USB isn't an issue because it can be reused.
02:31:39 <ParadoxGuiarist> I can do that award3535
02:32:22 <award3535> that is correct, takes a little time to redo the USB but worth it when you have a customer that smiles and acknowledges the work we do
02:32:32 <ParadoxGuiarist> I just wonder if it's the best bang for our 5k
02:33:09 <ParadoxGuiarist> We can get 2000 8G usb for around $4000
02:33:44 <AndChat|266961> how do you image lots of usb?
02:34:18 <Cydrobolt> USBs are really expensive, though, in comparison with DVDs/CDs
02:35:03 <ParadoxGuiarist> I do it once with liveusb and create a disk image with the gnome disk utility
02:35:29 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist, I have noticed that most everyone downloads the media, although being part of the free media area, there are still some pockets of folks that cant get internet or are still on dial up I would suggest we still go with a variable media format that offers several things at events, and address individual requests on site
02:35:34 <ParadoxGuiarist> Cydrobolt: true, about twice as much, but we would never throw thtem away
02:35:46 <Cydrobolt> True
02:36:29 <ParadoxGuiarist> I still wouuldn't mind shipping them a USB or printing up small batches for that purpose
02:36:34 <Cydrobolt> The download format is still a viable option, although it doesn't have the same feel as physical items
02:36:50 <ParadoxGuiarist> We could also send out the updated iso
02:37:04 <ParadoxGuiarist> if we print them ourselves
02:37:46 <ParadoxGuiarist> well I think we should think about this and see if we can come up with some alternatives
02:37:48 <Corey84> ParadoxGuiarist,  i seed the 20 updates   that would be relatively easy indeeed
02:38:16 <Cydrobolt> ParadoxGuiarist, ping me when you guys are done. I might have something for open floor
02:38:25 <ParadoxGuiarist> im done
02:38:36 <award3535> cydrobolt go
02:38:45 <Cydrobolt> okay
02:38:51 <Cydrobolt> Have you guys heard of hackathons?
02:39:38 <ParadoxGuiarist> not officially
02:39:40 <Cydrobolt> Hackathons are events where many developers and/or designers gather to create a project, usually spanning a couple days
02:40:21 <Cydrobolt> They've been really popular recently in the high school/college developer community, with over thousands of people participating in each event
02:40:33 <Cydrobolt> I've been involved in a couple hackathons as well
02:40:42 <Cydrobolt> I was wondering if Fedora would be interested in sponsoring some
02:40:43 <ParadoxGuiarist> like a Fedora Activity Day
02:40:50 <Cydrobolt> yeah, but more general
02:41:15 <Cydrobolt> it's a different target audience from our traditional FOSS activity days, and almost all participants are avid developers
02:42:21 <Cydrobolt> What do you think, award3535 ?
02:42:40 <Corey84> there are several hackathons  in DC / mid atlantic area in next 3 months
02:42:45 <award3535> Cydrobolt, create the wiki event page, add it to the event schedule, you can email me the specifics and I can add it to the events, do the media requests and we can vote on it, we must follow the guidelines, and I think the more exposure is great
02:43:04 <Cydrobolt> yeah, definitely
02:43:33 <AndChat|266961> Ticket 100, LFNW funding
02:43:54 <Corey84> VThacks HackMason and another hackDuke come to mind Cydrobolt  award3535  will look at  emailing info this week for them
02:44:06 <award3535> Cydrobolt, remember for events you must have a primary contacts
02:44:11 <Cydrobolt> PennApps and HackTheNorth are interesting
02:44:14 <Cydrobolt> Also, MHacks
02:44:22 <Cydrobolt> I was at PennApps last week, and I know a lot of the organisers
02:44:34 <Cydrobolt> award3535, mhm
02:44:40 <award3535> did ticket 100 just get added, wasnt listed for meeting
02:44:46 <Cydrobolt> What's our traditional budget for these kinds of things?
02:44:50 <Corey84> PennApps is likely to be small this year tbh  last year left bad aftertaste for many
02:45:10 <AndChat|266961> I put it in as task, opps
02:45:11 <Cydrobolt> Corey84, I don't think so
02:45:16 <Cydrobolt> I was there, it was bigger than ever
02:45:42 <Cydrobolt> mlh.io is a good starting point
02:45:51 <Corey84> the younger hackers in the gmu/uva  groups felt  iffy ( I tutor at gmu)
02:46:11 <Cydrobolt> Mmmh, I see
02:46:17 <Corey84> Cydrobolt,  that's what hack mason is   pushing for for theirs
02:46:24 <Corey84> going big league
02:46:27 <Cydrobolt> I live in Philly, so it was a pretty short drive
02:46:29 <award3535> jsandys, did the wiki event page get created
02:46:33 <Cydrobolt> PennApps is definitely one of the biggest, though
02:46:38 <AndChat|266961> Last year RH spent $1000 for a 10 ft, and Fedora speent 1000 for game night and a 5 FT
02:47:05 <AndChat|266961> wiki page created
02:47:55 <award3535> yep just checked, thanks
02:48:32 <AndChat|266961> RH is not going this year.  If I do a music thing like scale, a 10 ft booth would be good.
02:49:30 <AndChat|266961> Or we could sponsor game night and use a free 5 ft table
02:50:01 <award3535> thats a pretty good chunk of change on our own, what does ruth say about the event
02:50:06 <ParadoxGuiarist> I'll send you jw
02:50:37 <ParadoxGuiarist> I'll send you my setup from SCaLE
02:51:27 <AndChat|266961> Please do
02:52:32 <Cydrobolt> award3535, I'll create an event page, then I'll bring it up at the next meeting
02:53:01 <ParadoxGuiarist> Good meeting folks
02:53:27 <AndChat|266961> 500 or 150 get you a 5 ft table and other recognition
02:53:38 <award3535> jsandys can you break it down the exact costs to Fedora, since I keep track of what we are spending (attempting to) it would be easier for all of us to see
02:54:27 <award3535> Cydrobolt, thank you....
02:54:40 <Cydrobolt> Were you able to get the shirts?
02:54:53 <award3535> will be in the mail in the morning....
02:55:10 <AndChat|266961> It is listed in the ticket and linked to the lfnw sponsorship page
02:57:10 <award3535> jsandys, there is no lodging costs, travel, etc
02:57:10 <Cydrobolt> thanks a lot
02:57:40 <AndChat|266961> I usually pay my own way
02:57:46 <award3535> are you local to the event
02:57:57 <AndChat|266961> Close enough
02:59:07 <ParadoxGuiarist> Ok I'm out. Wife's bday dinner
02:59:12 <AndChat|266961> Adam w from qa come down from Canada
02:59:28 <award3535> thank you for coming ParadoxGuitarist
02:59:40 <ParadoxGuiarist> Np
02:59:46 <ParadoxGuiarist> Np
02:59:54 <AndChat|266961> Ill update the ticket and event page
03:01:20 <award3535> jsandys, I guess what I am asking is what are you asking for, give us the numbers so we can take a look at it, since RH is not going and if they want to go gold I have no issue with a large scale Fedora showing
03:01:59 <award3535> also move the ticket to meeting for next week... so we can get things rolling
03:02:18 <AndChat|266961> Ok will do
03:02:48 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time, see you all next week
03:02:56 <award3535> #endmeeting