06:00:48 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
06:00:48 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 21 06:00:48 2015 UTC.  The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
06:00:48 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
06:00:55 <tagoh_> hi
06:00:55 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:00:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:00:58 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:02 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-21
06:01:02 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:06 <shilpa> hi
06:01:14 <pravins> hi mfabian shilpa :)
06:01:46 <paragan> hi
06:01:51 <fujiwarat> hi
06:02:04 <pravins> hi paragan fujiwarat :)
06:02:18 <pravins> lets move till other members join..
06:02:22 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:28 <pravins> #info 2015-01-20 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:02:28 <pravins> #info 2015-02-10  	Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide
06:02:28 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Alpha Freeze
06:02:28 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Software String Freeze
06:02:28 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:02:29 <pravins> #info 2015-02-24   Bodhi activation point
06:02:31 <pravins> #info 2015-03-10 	Alpha Release
06:03:29 <anish_> Hi
06:03:35 <pravins> hi anish_ :)
06:04:42 <pravins> We had system wide change proposals deadline yesterday. During last 3-4 days around 13 more changes proposed including 2 from i18n project.
06:05:09 * pravins looking for tagoh_ juhp ueno
06:05:11 <anish_> cool
06:05:37 * juhp is here
06:05:39 <juhp> hi
06:05:40 <pravins> Schedule looks good now, we got exact dates for most of the milestone
06:05:44 <pravins> hi juhp  :)
06:06:19 <pravins> Challenge is we only have one month (34) days to complete our changes :(
06:06:30 <tagoh_> pravins: I'm first to say hi tho :)
06:06:34 <pravins> 2015-02-24   Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:06:51 <pravins> ohh, tagoh_ my mistake, i missed it :)
06:07:46 <pravins> feel free to post if there is any comment. i will keep moving on
06:07:49 <pravins> #topic Outstanding topic
06:07:53 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:07:56 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:08:14 <pravins> from 7th Jan meeting there was two action items.
06:08:24 <pravins> anish_: did you got chance to contact whot?
06:08:45 <anish_> pravins, sorry could not talk with him
06:08:49 <pravins> paragan: any chance for xkb layout list?
06:09:04 <anish_> but will try to contact him this week
06:09:14 <juhp> anish_, you have his email?
06:09:32 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps
06:09:37 <anish_> Nope
06:09:49 <anish_> oh i have it
06:10:08 <pravins> Mike pointed out last time that moving xkb layout does not affect listing it in anaconda. so i think its positive for us.
06:10:09 <anish_> he replied to some of the emails regarding touch screen
06:10:52 <pravins> thank you paragan, its around 491 :)
06:10:54 <pravins> huge...
06:11:41 <pravins> juhp: agreed, we need definitely cleanup.  but how to proceed for it, thats the challenge...
06:12:39 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:12:39 <pravins> #info #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:12:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:12:59 <juhp> I think with variants it is a lot more...
06:13:16 <juhp> well dunno how many exactly
06:13:55 <juhp> but yeah maybe cutting down on obscure country layouts by default may help
06:13:58 <juhp> paragan, thanks
06:15:15 <juhp> ah sorry - got confused by the two letters on the left
06:15:15 <paragan> ok
06:15:23 <juhp> I guess that may be all perhaps
06:15:35 <paragan> I sorted them by locale code as they also get installed by same
06:15:37 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps
06:15:55 <pravins> #info Total 491 xkb layout are available
06:16:38 <pravins> for completing i18n cleanup task, i would like to propose 30 min meeting, as we did last time.
06:16:43 <pravins> how you feel about it?
06:16:53 <pravins> we have open slot next week, since there is not meeting..
06:16:56 <juhp> paragan, okay but "setxkbmap XX" refers to a specific layout
06:18:15 <juhp> sounds good to me specially if we manage to talk to whot beforehand
06:18:51 <pravins> sure, i will schedule meeting.
06:18:53 <paragan> juhp, you want the layout name that we pass to setxkbmap
06:18:59 <paragan> I guess it will be same
06:19:28 <juhp> paragan, well that might be clearer
06:19:42 <paragan> okay
06:19:48 <pravins> #info Will have 30 minutes meeting to complete i18n cleanup task https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:20:26 <pravins> #action pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n cleanup task
06:20:28 <juhp> ah oops - you mean the wiki clean up okay... lol
06:20:45 <pravins> yeah :)
06:21:14 <mfabian> For example, “de 	Romanian (Germany, eliminate dead keys) ” would be “setxkbmap de(ro_nodeadkeyks)”
06:22:27 <pravins> aha..
06:22:38 <paragan> will update on wiki
06:22:46 <pravins> paragan: great, thank you.
06:23:00 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins)
06:23:07 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40
06:23:32 <pravins> We have 5 proposed changes from i18n project
06:23:48 <pravins> 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
06:23:55 <pravins> 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
06:24:03 <pravins> 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish
06:24:10 <pravins> 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7
06:24:17 <pravins> 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DnfLangpacksPlugin
06:24:34 <pravins> Lohit2, NewDefaultConsolefont are in accepted phase.
06:24:41 <pravins> all other are in announced state.
06:25:33 <pravins> We have to complete feature by 24th Feb. Does any one has any doubts or challenges to get this complete?
06:26:37 <mfabian> New console font is easy. I just have to do a small change in langtable.
06:26:44 <pravins> mfabian: nice.
06:27:09 <pravins> with the help of shilpa We are very close to Odia release.
06:27:37 <pravins> Still doubtful for Telugu, we need to learn few things from Telugu language expert who is krishna :)
06:27:55 <pravins> anish_: do you think, you will complete minglish by 24th Feb?
06:28:09 <pravins> paragan: how about DngLangpacks?
06:28:12 <anish_> yeah most of the work is done
06:28:36 <pravins> mfabian: for Glibc with the help of siddhesh we need to move our patches in Fedora.
06:28:47 <mfabian> Yes, I’ll try again.
06:29:09 <pravins> do you think, we will need scripts as well in Fedora?
06:29:10 <paragan> pravins, In description I have stated that with current state I would like to submit it as completed but it will not be same in functionality like yum-langpacks
06:29:46 <mfabian> Would have been better to do it upstream I think, I didn’t understand why they were so reluctant to accept it upstream.
06:29:47 <paragan> autoinstallation of langpacks is missing and depends on dnf hook api development
06:30:29 <mfabian> The scripts don’t matter in Fedora, but it doesn’t hurt to include them in the patches, then they are in the source rpm.
06:30:45 <pravins> mfabian: one of the reason is they are in release of 2.21.
06:31:12 <mfabian> Yes, but we were finished before the freeze of 2.21.
06:31:52 <pravins> yes, this is unfortunate it took more than accepted time.
06:32:43 <mfabian> I still don’t know how to test the CHARMAP changes, I’ll think about it.
06:32:45 <pravins> only thing worried me is, in upstream we are only reviewing script but with Fedora change proposal now our patches also get tested.
06:33:26 <pravins> #action contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora rawhide.
06:33:57 <pravins> lets move ahead..
06:34:12 <pravins> #info #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins)
06:34:12 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41
06:34:27 <juhp> if they patches can go in early then more time for testing :)
06:34:52 <pravins> juhp: exactly, i am expecting it should happen in couple of weeks.
06:35:22 <juhp> :)
06:35:29 <pravins> lots of change proposals in last few days !!
06:35:35 <pravins> system wide:
06:35:41 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AtomicHost
06:35:41 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma_5
06:35:41 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Django18
06:35:46 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland
06:35:50 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CockpitDomainController
06:35:56 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Polyinstantiated_tmp_by_Default
06:36:09 <juhp> btw gnulib was also updated to Unicode 7 recently by ueno
06:36:33 <juhp> kind of a shame we didn't coordinate the work more
06:36:59 <pravins> hmm..
06:37:24 <pravins> Ideally we should have a TODO list for each task. Like if Unicode new version comes up then what to update..likewise
06:37:38 <juhp> yes
06:37:47 <juhp> good to document process for the future
06:37:57 <pravins> right.
06:38:20 <pravins> #action document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki.
06:38:30 <juhp> +1
06:38:34 <tagoh_> to do that, we need to understand all of changes between the version of Unicode then. it would be hard to make a testcase withouut it right
06:38:37 <anish_> we can use https://trello.com/
06:39:14 <juhp> maybe next time would be good to try to do the work together (glibc and gnulib)
06:39:36 <pravins> tagoh_: right, lets start with some documentation. I think in process we will get more idea.
06:40:20 <pravins> anish_: aha, nice !!
06:40:31 <pravins> Self contained:
06:40:37 <pravins> F22 Self Contained Change: Database Server Role  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DatabaseServerRole
06:40:37 <pravins> F22 Self Contained Change: Gradle 2.x  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Gradle
06:40:37 <pravins> F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Wine_to_use_mesa_Direct3D
06:40:38 <pravins> F22 Self Contained Change: Nautilus Improvements  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements
06:40:39 <pravins> F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications
06:41:10 <pravins> I think Plasma is one we should test from internationalization perspective.
06:41:17 <pravins> do you think any other is needed?
06:41:37 <tagoh_> anish_: I tried it before.
06:41:50 <mfabian> Plasma? KDE?
06:42:04 <pravins> Yes, Plasma_5
06:42:16 <anish_> tagoh_, aha how was your experience? I find it its nice
06:42:36 <pravins> we do not work much on KDE, but i think good to go through the changes from i18n point of view.
06:43:06 * pravins hoping there will be not much surprises :)
06:43:29 <tagoh_> anish_: just a tool... how it nicely work is really up to users of course...
06:44:46 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, we will start with wiki :)
06:44:55 <tagoh_> pravins: yes, but not that handy..  because they don't provide i18n on Live.
06:44:56 <pravins> next week we have short meeting, so may be we can do it that time.
06:45:05 <juhp> Login_Screen_Over_Wayland may also be interesting
06:45:31 <tagoh_> pravins: we always need to install it from iso for testing
06:45:32 <ueno> yes, that's the reason why gnulibs'https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2015-01/msg00041.html
06:45:38 <ueno> sorry
06:46:19 <ueno> tagoh_, yes, that's the reason why gnulibs' update took so much time > we need to understand all of changes between the version of Unicode
06:46:34 <pravins> #link https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2015-01/msg00041.html
06:47:13 <pravins> tagoh_: hmm..what is better way to do that.
06:47:17 <juhp> ueno, thanks for all that work
06:47:49 <pravins> indeed great work, thanks ueno  :)
06:48:12 <pravins> one more question came to my mind tracking other change proposals, means exactly what we suppose to do?
06:49:10 <pravins> Adding to test-cases?
06:49:53 <pravins> our next topic is also on testday, so moving to next :)
06:50:00 <pravins> #topic New task
06:50:00 <pravins> #info #42: Fedora 22 i18n test day (tagoh)
06:50:00 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/42
06:50:27 <pravins> Alpha release is on  2015-03-10 Alpha Release
06:51:24 <pravins> tagoh_: i think we can plan for date now?
06:51:38 <pravins> thanks tagoh_ for updating ticket and trying with testday app :)
06:52:25 <tagoh_> pravins: that said still no portal wiki for f22 test days... though we can tentatively set the date for our test days
06:53:49 <pravins> for date i think we should consider couple of week slip in schedule.
06:54:08 <pravins> tagoh_: can you help with setting up portal wiki?
06:54:16 <tagoh_> FWIW the form is a bit not matching our use since we basically don't  need any hardware info for our testing.  we may need to reuse that field for lang say..
06:55:16 <pravins> aha..
06:55:21 <pravins> #link http://testdays.qa.fedoraproject.org/testdays/show_event?event_id=21
06:55:22 <tagoh_> pravins: I could ask QA people for that
06:56:08 <pravins> nice, thank you :)
06:56:23 <pravins> once Qa wiki is ready we can add test cases into it.
06:56:41 <pravins> We have lots of stuff this time as well.
06:57:17 <tagoh_> pravins: ah, well, no. not like we had a wiki for the past day
06:57:43 <pravins> i was about to ask you, please update for new procedure :)
06:57:44 <tagoh_> we can update the show  cases for test cases on the metadata
06:59:17 <tagoh_> but no  portal for f22 test days so we don't even know which slot are available for testing... once it''s out, we can propose a day and open a wiki with the above TestdayApp link then.
07:00:03 <pravins> aha, we should ahve wiki page for each test case..like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Bogo
07:00:09 <pravins> s/ahve/have
07:00:18 <pravins> sure. so we will watch QA for providing one.
07:00:21 <tagoh_> people who want to join the event can add the result on TestdayApp through the link on wiki. no changes in the process in that sense.
07:01:06 <pravins> but looks nice now. It is form !!
07:01:38 <pravins> thanks tagoh_ for update. We will watch for QA for further announcement.
07:02:06 <pravins> i will skip the bugs corner today. we are almost more than scheduled time.
07:02:12 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:03:02 <pravins> in between paragan nominated for Fesco elections...
07:03:46 <pravins> if there is no other topic, we will close on 2 minutes..
07:04:24 <pravins> s/on/in
07:06:20 <pravins> thank you all for meeting.
07:06:30 <pravins> #endmeeting