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04:00:32 <tuanta_> #meetingname APAC 20141122
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04:00:38 <tuanta_> #topic Roll call
04:00:42 <tuanta_> .fas tuanta
04:00:45 <zodbot> tuanta_: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:00:57 <tuanta_> #chair tuanta
04:00:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: tuanta tuanta_
04:00:59 <banas_> .fas sarupbanskota
04:01:00 <zodbot> banas_: sarupbanskota 'Sarup Banskota' <sbanskota08@gmail.com> - testoid 'testoid' <sarupbanskota@live.in>
04:01:16 <banas_> .fasinfo sarupbanskota
04:01:17 <zodbot> banas_: User: sarupbanskota, Name: Sarup Banskota, email: sbanskota08@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-03-28, IRC Nick: banas, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:01:20 <zodbot> banas_: Unapproved Groups: summer-coding
04:01:24 <zodbot> banas_: Approved Groups: ambassadors designteam cla_done cla_fpca
04:01:32 <tuanta> #chair banas_
04:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ tuanta tuanta_
04:01:37 <banas_> although I have to leave in half an hour, I have a train to catch :)
04:01:40 <tuanta> #unchair tuanta_
04:01:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ tuanta tuanta_
04:01:54 <tuanta> banas_, that's alright
04:03:10 <tuanta> #info Topic FAD recap: Event Priority
04:03:22 <tuanta> #info Topic Upcoming F21 Release Parties
04:03:42 <tuanta> #info Topic Media production with EMEA
04:03:49 <tuanta> #info Topic Tickets
04:04:03 <pravins> hi all
04:04:13 <tuanta> #info Topic Announcements
04:04:17 <tuanta> #chair pravins
04:04:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ pravins tuanta tuanta_
04:04:20 <tuanta> hi pravins
04:04:22 <banas_> tuanta: if it's not a problem, could my ticket be tickets before half an hour? I have attached all the info, but if there are any questions, I can answer that way :)
04:04:25 <pravins> hi tuanta :)
04:04:27 <banas_> hi pravins :)
04:04:38 <banas_> *discussed
04:04:39 <pravins> hi banas_ :)
04:04:47 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
04:04:49 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
04:05:50 <tuanta> #chair gnokii
04:05:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ gnokii pravins tuanta tuanta_
04:05:57 <gnokii> tuanta: can you ping me when you need something from me, I listen in but I am in the middle of the fedora join workshop
04:06:07 <tuanta> lets move on now
04:06:20 <tuanta> #topic Announcements
04:06:46 <tuanta> #info Council election is running
04:07:01 * pravins voted
04:07:04 <tuanta> please cast your vote asap
04:07:14 * tuanta has done too :)
04:07:55 <tuanta> #the first APAC FAD has been finished
04:08:05 <tuanta> #info the first APAC FAD has been finished
04:08:08 * banas_ wants to read the interviews they listed while on train today
04:08:21 <tuanta> please check out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Purpose for more information
04:08:51 <tuanta> #topic Tickets
04:09:40 <tuanta> we do this at first for banas_. He needs to leave the meeting sooner for a train
04:09:47 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/161
04:09:49 <banas_> yep, thanks!
04:10:14 <pravins> tuanta: sure
04:10:17 <banas_> I have all the info listed on the comments/my blog/report, but if there are any questions, I'm here :)
04:10:42 <tuanta> banas_, I saw your report. that event was interesting
04:11:23 <tuanta> how much did you spend for it?
04:11:27 <banas_> yep, although I would have loved to see more technical contributors interested, I found few who'd like to contribute to badges
04:11:32 <banas_> tuanta: 40usd
04:11:38 <rtnpro> Hi all
04:11:39 <banas_> approx
04:11:41 <tuanta> #chair zsun
04:11:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ gnokii pravins tuanta tuanta_ zsun
04:11:42 <zsun> sorry for being late
04:11:43 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro
04:11:45 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com>
04:11:47 <tuanta> #chair rtnpro
04:11:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ gnokii pravins rtnpro tuanta tuanta_ zsun
04:11:48 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsu
04:11:49 <zodbot> zsun: Sorry, but you don't exist
04:11:52 <banas_> hi zsun, hi rtnpro
04:11:57 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
04:12:00 <rtnpro> banas_, Hi
04:12:35 <pravins> hi zsun rtnpro :)
04:12:44 <rtnpro> pravins, Heya
04:12:58 <tuanta> banas_, your event has not been listed in the budget plan. however, the expense was not much and results seem really impressed
04:13:57 <banas_> yep, I'm sorry about the impromptu nature of the event. although we did adjust some during the hanoi meetup, 100$
04:14:08 <tuanta> I'd love to support you. however, next times, please put it into the budget plan and do preparation for it much sooner
04:14:30 <tuanta> banas_, I remember
04:14:34 <tuanta> voting?
04:14:44 <banas_> yep, I will :
04:14:45 <banas_> :)
04:14:46 <tuanta> or any questions?
04:15:17 <tuanta> zsun, pravins rtnpro gnokii: any questions?
04:15:23 <pravins> banas_: did you sen event report on Ambassador mailing list?
04:15:24 <rtnpro> tuanta, nope
04:15:36 * zsun will not vote since still reading the log
04:15:52 <banas_> pravins: um, let me check :)
04:16:21 <banas_> yep, I did pravins.
04:16:29 <pravins> banas_: great, thanks :)
04:16:32 <tuanta> banas_, one more thing: please re-scan all receipts into a PDF file (a strict rule which help izhar much)
04:16:54 <banas_> alright, I'll do it once I'm back - maybe in 2 days or so?
04:17:05 <tuanta> ok, banas_
04:17:22 <tuanta> +1 from me
04:17:23 <pravins> tuanta: looks good to me.
04:17:41 <pravins> +!
04:17:44 <pravins> +1
04:17:59 <tuanta> rtnpro, zsun, gnokii ?
04:18:06 <tuanta> and banas_, of course.
04:18:11 * zsun +1
04:18:13 <rtnpro> +1
04:18:18 <banas_> oh, I get to vote? +1
04:18:47 <tuanta> #agreed Support for Coimbatore Contribution Camp, APAC ticket #161
04:19:16 <tuanta> #topic FAD recap: Event Priority
04:19:21 <banas_> thank you :)
04:19:36 <tuanta> #undo
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04:19:36 <hanthana> .fas snavin
04:19:37 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' <danishka@gmail.com>
04:19:57 <tuanta> #action banas_ to update all the receipts in a PDF file
04:20:00 <tuanta> #topic FAD recap: Event Priority
04:20:05 <tuanta> #chair hanthana
04:20:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas_ gnokii hanthana pravins rtnpro tuanta tuanta_ zsun
04:20:05 <banas_> yep, I will.
04:20:23 <banas_> I'll stay for another 10 minutes, and then leave
04:20:46 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
04:20:55 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/163
04:21:21 <tuanta> during the FAD last weekend, we made this list of events and estimated budget for each
04:22:32 <tuanta> the total budget, however, is a bit high and it is not easy to protect for. OSAS may cut it down during the budget allocation phase (next January)
04:23:35 <tuanta> so we need to set priority for each then in that case, we will see how to adjust the budget for each (cut some low priority events out, or reduce their budget, etc.)
04:23:42 <tuanta> that's the idea
04:23:50 <tuanta> any comments?
04:24:22 <pravins> tuanta: i think we can also track quarterly and see if any event not happening or if we are saving budget we can use it for upcoming.
04:24:26 <hanthana> + we should look for impact from the event
04:25:13 <tuanta> pravins, that would be nice, but it is in running phase, not in planning phase
04:25:21 <hanthana> no just amount of attendees but are they really in to IT, will they join Fedora as contributors or we can icrease user base
04:25:34 <hanthana> s/icrease/increase
04:25:40 <alick> .hellomynameis alick
04:25:41 <zodbot> alick: alick 'Zhao Tao' <alick9188@gmail.com>
04:25:45 <tuanta> #chair alick
04:25:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: alick banas_ gnokii hanthana pravins rtnpro tuanta tuanta_ zsun
04:25:47 <zsun> hi alick
04:25:55 <pravins> tuanta: is it? i see events are reported from  "March 13-15th 2015 " on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
04:26:12 <pravins> might be i  am missing something.
04:26:13 <tuanta> alick, we are talking about setting priority for each events we estimated during FAD
04:26:49 <tuanta> pravins, the fiscal year 2016 is starting from March 2015
04:27:04 <tuanta> to Feb 2016
04:27:23 <tuanta> pravins, is that your question?
04:27:34 <banas_> seems like an interesting discussion - we should track how many contributors ended up sticking post event and consider that when assigning priorities, over anything else, imo.
04:27:46 <tuanta> that list is our next FY events
04:27:51 <pravins> tuanta: yes. thanks. :)
04:27:53 <tuanta> pravins, make sense?
04:27:54 <alick> tuanta: +1 for the idea
04:28:01 <banas_> anyway, i gotta run now! so I'll see you all soon :) bye!
04:28:13 <rtnpro> tuanta, I have a question
04:28:42 <tuanta> so please check out my proposed priorities and comment on the Trac ticket
04:28:47 <tuanta> rtnpro, go ahead
04:28:49 <rtnpro> tuanta, we are now holding Fedora meetups in Bangalore, on a monthly basis
04:28:53 <pravins> tuanta: do you want to open up ticket? i.e. criteria for comparing two event while providing budget?
04:29:13 <rtnpro> tuanta, we don't need any funding for such meetups
04:29:19 <tuanta> pravins, no. please comment all to the ticket #163
04:29:26 <pravins> tuanta: sure
04:29:37 <rtnpro> tuanta, where should I add those meetup events in the wiki?
04:29:43 <tuanta> rtnpro, you can list them onto the wiki as well
04:29:51 <rtnpro> tuanta, ok
04:29:52 <tuanta> with comments
04:30:37 <tuanta> have you got any ideas at this moment about my proposed priority?
04:31:00 <hanthana> I just post here :)
04:31:33 <tuanta> hanthana, where is here?
04:32:04 <tuanta> please do not edit that page directly. it would make it more confused at this time
04:32:13 <hanthana> we should look for impact from the event. not just amount of attendees but are they really in to IT, will they join Fedora as contributors or we can increase user base
04:32:27 <hanthana> tuanta, ^
04:34:07 <tuanta> hanthana, we did that during FAD
04:34:44 <tuanta> now is time for making decision to set priority for each event (which we missed out during FAD)
04:34:59 <alick> tuanta: i just skimmed it and it looks good to me
04:35:12 <tuanta> thanks alick
04:35:21 <alick> tuanta: but maybe not everyone have seen it?
04:35:38 <pravins> tuanta: aha you have provided priority there.
04:35:42 <tuanta> should we let to make decision in the next meeting?
04:35:55 <pravins> tuanta: will be very helpful, if you document on what basis you have provided priority.
04:36:22 <alick> tuanta: yes, better give people some more time. (but anyway set a deadline)
04:36:30 <tuanta> pravins, that discussed during FAD. we will need to add more notes
04:36:32 <zsun> tuanta:  just went through the priority and I think it is fine with me.
04:36:43 <zsun> alick:  +1 since it is a long table
04:37:34 <tuanta> so we will let 2 more weeks to discuss on that then make the decision in the next meeting
04:37:43 <tuanta> is it fair enough?
04:38:00 <hanthana> +1
04:38:03 <pravins> tuanta: also one whether priorities are in ascending or descending order? :) (1 means high or low)
04:38:08 <alick> tuanta: and we can calculate the budget of priority 1 events, pri 1&2, and so on.
04:38:15 * pravins just trying to make it more clear
04:38:17 <tuanta> pravins, 1 is highest
04:38:42 <tuanta> #info 1 is the highest priority in that events list
04:39:04 <tuanta> +1 alick. good idea
04:39:27 <hanthana> can you add this information above the table in the wiki.
04:39:49 <tuanta> hanthana, ok. I will
04:40:26 <tuanta> #action everyone to checkout the priority on events list, and add more ideas, comments to the Trac ticket to discuss
04:40:43 <pravins> tuanta: looks good.
04:40:54 <tuanta> #idea then we will make the final decision in the next meeting
04:41:03 <tuanta> thanks all :)
04:41:20 <tuanta> #topic Topic Upcoming F21 Release Parties
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04:41:30 <tuanta> #topic Upcoming F21 Release Parties
04:41:40 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2014-November/023000.html
04:41:58 <tuanta> you may all read this notification from FAmSCo?
04:42:09 <tuanta> the release date is so close now
04:42:18 <tuanta> so please prepare for your release parties
04:42:19 <pravins> tuanta: yes, Jiri announced last week.
04:42:20 <zsun> yes. And I raised this out in Chinese our meeting yesterday
04:42:35 <zsun> s/Chinese our/Chinese
04:43:11 <tuanta> please make sure to create your event page, add it into RP events list and ask for fund
04:43:15 <tuanta> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_release_events
04:43:27 <pravins> tuanta: i am trying to host one in Mumbai (me AT pune 200km from Mumbai)
04:43:40 <tuanta> the budget limit for each release party is $100 as usual
04:43:47 <tuanta> cool, pravins
04:43:51 <tuanta> and zsun
04:43:59 <pravins> so, i would like to travel from Pune to Mumbai with 4-5 contrbutors
04:44:01 <tuanta> we will have one in Hanoi too :)
04:44:23 <tuanta> there are no ambassadors in Mumbai?
04:44:29 <rtnpro> We are going to have one in Bangalore, as well :)
04:44:39 <hanthana> we have one in Singapore
04:44:41 <pravins> tuanta: AFAIK no one is there
04:44:57 <pravins> but it will require additional budget for travel (around INR4000 = $70 )
04:45:05 <tuanta> pravins, rtnpro: please estimate the budget. Note that, normally, budget limit is $100
04:45:12 <tuanta> #info the budget limit for each release party is $100 as usual
04:45:12 <pravins> is it possible to get that?
04:45:21 <hanthana> most probably Sri Lanka RP on early Feb
04:45:21 <rtnpro> t
04:45:38 <rtnpro> tuanta, that's ok :)
04:45:52 <tuanta> hanthana, normally, release party should be in a month after release date
04:46:15 <alick> zsun: relparty in Beijing scheduled in late December, can you confirm?
04:46:38 <hanthana> there are some difficulties for us do it within a month
04:46:40 <tuanta> however, it would be fine to make it further because it is our first tiem to make three flavors: Workstation, Server and Cloud
04:46:44 <hanthana> I hope you understand
04:46:46 <zsun> alick:  I will talk with you in details after I am back in Beijing
04:47:09 <zsun> And I still have not add it to wiki now
04:47:25 <hanthana> I will organize Sri Lanka event within a month if you pay my travel from Singapore to Sri Lanka :)
04:47:38 <tuanta> hanthana, me? no way?
04:47:47 <hanthana> lol :D
04:47:51 <tuanta> :D
04:47:53 <pravins> hanthana: that is what tuanta saying budget is $100  :)
04:48:15 <hanthana> that's why I said early Feb
04:48:29 <tuanta> anything else for release parties?
04:48:41 <pravins> but at any way we must celebrate this Fedora release fullest.
04:48:45 <tuanta> you all understand the process?
04:49:17 <pravins> its Fedora release almost after one year
04:49:22 <tuanta> if you need any further support, please do not hesitate to ping me on IRC or drop me an email
04:49:28 <pravins> last was on "2013-12-17 "
04:50:02 <tuanta> +1 pravins. That's alos a good reason to make more release parties later han a month as usual
04:50:08 <hanthana> tuanta, thanks bro!
04:50:13 <tuanta> s/han/than
04:50:21 <tuanta> hanthana, you are welcome
04:50:27 <hanthana> :)
04:50:31 <tuanta> next topic?
04:51:22 <pravins> tuanta: yes
04:51:31 <tuanta> #action everyone to prepare for Fedora 21 release parties
04:51:33 <tuanta> #topic Media production with EMEA
04:52:34 <tuanta> this topic has been discussed during the last FAD
04:52:38 <tuanta> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11-16-03.57.log.html#l-23
04:53:11 <tuanta> Jiri dropped me an email to ask if APAC would like to produce media together with EMEA
04:54:01 <tuanta> producing it in mass (say 6,000 instead of 3,000) would make the price down
04:54:10 <tuanta> (per each DVD)
04:54:55 <tuanta> then gnokii can help us to send all of them to a central location in APAC to distribute to all other countris
04:54:56 <pravins> agree !!
04:55:01 <zsun> it would be a good idea for DVD. But still, difficult to post to mainland China maybe
04:55:47 <tuanta> we need to make 2 decisions: producing with EMEA (Yes/No) and how many DVDs would we need?
04:56:07 <tuanta> zsun, it is not easy here, in Vietnam :(
04:56:43 <zsun> tuanta:  If it is decided,I may try to communicate with Red Hat Beijing to see if there is any solution
04:57:00 <tuanta> it is not easy to send it via postal. but it fine enough to take it back from an event
04:57:10 <tuanta> zsun, good idea
04:57:20 <pravins> tuanta: normally the DVD forecast can be done based on last 4 years numbers.
04:57:45 <pravins> do we have number of DVD's used in last few years?
04:57:50 <hanthana> do we have numbers?
04:57:51 <tuanta> pravins, actually, we do not have that number
04:57:59 <hanthana> i meant how much each community required?
04:58:13 <tuanta> we have about 8-10 countries (active, I meant)
04:58:26 <tuanta> so I think 2,000 is fine enough
04:58:41 <pravins> tuanta: at least how many we manufactured last year or before that?
04:59:06 <tuanta> pravins, we have never done central production for DVD
04:59:17 <hanthana> Harish will be producing them and currently we are planning to add an QR code that point to fedora.sg (to be create content)
04:59:24 <tuanta> in the past, each country did it themselves
04:59:28 <pravins> great, at least we are starting from this year :)
04:59:32 <hanthana> but earlier he use to point fedoraproject.org
04:59:35 <tuanta> +1 pravins
04:59:39 <zsun> I am even not sure if 2,000 is enough for whole apac.
04:59:56 <pravins> if we start counting from the number of events
05:00:17 <pravins> say for each event 100 or as per expected audience. Guess from audience. It can help
05:00:18 <tuanta> hanthana, I remember that we agreed to put all DVD in Red Hat Singapore office to make it easier to distribute, right?
05:00:21 <zsun> maybe we can ask each community to calculate  and sum up next meeting?
05:00:45 <tuanta> pravins, so, maybe 3,000. We should try then fix it
05:01:15 <tuanta> zsun, Jiri is preparing to produce it. he needs our answer by Monday
05:01:16 <hanthana> producing them under Red Hat Singapore or Red Hat pune office will help to distribute them under RH's cost
05:01:40 <zsun> tuanta:  Woo. Ok
05:02:04 <alick> tuanta: Jiri means F21 DVDs?
05:02:06 <pravins> hanthana: are you sure RH bears cost for distributing media?
05:02:08 <tuanta> we are all agree to produce it together with EMEA?
05:02:12 <tuanta> alick, yes
05:02:41 <hanthana> pravins, as I remember sidesh also confirm this
05:02:43 <tuanta> pravins, EMEA doing hat in RH office
05:02:48 <tuanta> s/hat/that
05:02:52 <alick> tuanta: ahh, I don't think we discuss F21 DVDs at FAD,
05:02:56 <pravins> in that case, it is niceee :)
05:03:02 <tuanta> alick, http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11-16-03.57.log.html#l-23
05:03:09 <alick> since F21 is currently fiscal year.
05:03:24 <tuanta> yes, we did, alick
05:03:32 <hanthana> but one thing, Harish is too busy and we should check with him. we may meet again on next week
05:03:43 <tuanta> we can start it this year
05:03:58 <tuanta> using this year budget
05:04:23 <tuanta> ok, we will decide that location to put it later
05:04:26 <alick> tuanta: then do we have a way and enough time  to distribute them?
05:05:01 <alick> I do not remember we discussed how to ship them from EMEA to APAC...
05:05:03 <tuanta> now we should focus on producing it with EMEA and how many of them
05:05:19 <zsun> tuanta alick, If for F21 Rel party, for mainland China I prefer to ask Red Hat Beijing for help receive that directly
05:05:31 <tuanta> alick, Jiri will send them to gnokii, then gnokii send to us
05:06:01 <tuanta> zsun, it may not in time for all release parties, but it is still fine for all other events
05:06:11 <zsun> tuanta:  ok
05:06:17 <tuanta> hi hanthana
05:06:19 <pravins> tuanta: for release parties we need to find some alternative.
05:06:21 <tuanta> sorry :)
05:06:21 <alick> tuanta: ok, i see, but I prefer to do it from the next fiscal year.
05:06:23 <tuanta> hi harish
05:06:26 <hanthana> hi tuanta
05:06:41 <hanthana> hi harish :)
05:06:41 <alick> F21 is quite close.
05:06:41 <pravins> Release party is the time when most of the people want to update with new release.
05:06:44 <tuanta> alick, F21 media is also for next FY events
05:06:56 <harish> hi
05:06:58 <tuanta> the next release date (for F22) maybe in the middle of 2015
05:07:06 <harish> hi tuanta hanthana
05:07:26 <tuanta> harish, we are talking about how to distribute DVD in APAC
05:07:28 <hanthana> harish, is it possible to produce over 2000 DVDs from RH Singapore?
05:07:46 <harish> 2000? may be tricky. 1000 should be possible.
05:07:54 <tuanta> for cheaper cost, we can produce them in EMEA (together with them)
05:07:57 <alick> tuanta: i see your point. but I do have concerns
05:08:00 <harish> i will need to check the cost differential.
05:08:08 <tuanta> then send it to a central location in APAC
05:08:17 <hanthana> ok, what if RH Singapore take care of few countries?
05:08:26 <alick> tuanta: gnokii mentioned the contract between China and ASEAN countries, but it is effective starting next year.
05:08:32 <hanthana> while RH India/Beijin handle rest?
05:08:59 <tuanta> alick, it would not solve our issue, IMHO
05:09:35 <hanthana> if we need 2000 this can be handle by two different RH office
05:09:47 <tuanta> harish, making them together with EMEA would make it much cheaper
05:09:49 <harish> i can send a bunch to RH India (perhaps in Bangalore) and to RH China (perhaps Beijing) and get the media sent out from there. let me see if there are "customs" issues for internal company transfer
05:09:51 <alick> tuanta: yes, so it might incur issues shipping from like Singapore to China
05:10:35 <alick> that's my concern
05:10:42 <hanthana> harish, Sidesh may try to get it done from RH Pune office for India but we should double check
05:10:43 <tuanta> harish, we are planning a lot of events next year then we can distribute it directly to each person
05:10:47 <alick> harish: thx for helping to check that!
05:10:55 <harish> alick, if i do a rh singapore -> rh china perhaps things will be slightly easier.
05:11:11 <zsun> harish:  I think so as well
05:11:20 <tuanta> +1 harish. I think so too
05:11:30 <alick> harish: yes, just to make sure
05:11:47 <tuanta> so it's time to make decision. Do you all agree to make it together with EMEA?
05:11:51 <harish> i just need someone to pick stuff up in rh china (in beijing)
05:12:05 <harish> how many is EMEA making?
05:12:09 <tuanta> +1 from me
05:12:15 <tuanta> 3,000
05:12:18 <zsun> harish:  I will communicate with guys there for this
05:12:33 <harish> zsun, in rh beijing i assume.
05:12:35 <tuanta> and we can make it additional 3,000, I think
05:12:52 <harish> so emea will make 6000?
05:12:58 <harish> 3000 for us?
05:13:07 <tuanta> then EMEA guy can send all to Singapore office. harish will send 1,000 to India, 1,000 to China, something like that
05:13:15 <tuanta> harish, yes
05:13:21 <harish> that'll be dandy.
05:13:22 <hanthana> cost of producing EMEA may expensive :(
05:13:25 <tuanta> any other idea?
05:13:54 <hanthana> EMEA > RH SG and RH India
05:14:13 <tuanta> hanthana, it is not. let me check on the ticket
05:14:15 <harish> who in emea is doing this?
05:14:29 <tuanta> harish, Jiri. he is asking me
05:14:37 <harish> ok.
05:14:42 <tuanta> he needs confirmation by Mondya
05:14:48 <hanthana> oh
05:14:56 <harish> check with Jiri if he can make more and ship them to me.
05:15:11 <harish> if not, I can do some here.
05:15:13 <tuanta> hanthana, he has sent that email since FAD
05:15:50 <tuanta> harish, he asked me if we want to do with him. he will make more then send to APAC
05:16:18 <harish> perfect if he can do so.
05:16:29 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/422
05:16:48 <tuanta> hanthana, that is the EMEA ticket for producing media
05:17:18 <tuanta> you can see, it is much cheaper for more media
05:17:33 <tuanta> that's why Jiri asked us if we would like to join
05:17:41 <hanthana> then lets do from EMEA
05:17:52 <tuanta> +1 from me (already)
05:17:56 <hanthana> +1
05:17:57 <tuanta> any more vote?
05:18:02 <harish> +1
05:18:04 <zsun> tuanta: I have concern
05:18:22 <tuanta> zsun, please say it out
05:18:22 <zsun> It is not so cheap IMO
05:18:48 <tuanta> zsun, how much does it cost in China?
05:19:05 <hanthana> harish, feel free to let me know if you need a help on redistributing them :)
05:19:08 <tuanta> it is a good quality DVD, with sleeve
05:19:22 <tuanta> harish, how much does it cost in Singapore?
05:19:27 <harish> hanthana, sure. where are you based in?
05:19:30 <tuanta> +1 hanthana
05:19:40 <hanthana> .fas snavin
05:19:41 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' <danishka@gmail.com>
05:19:49 <zsun> if it is printed, CNY  2/pcs for 100pcs.  And additional about CNY 2/pcs for 100 cover.  But not sure if the quality is as good as EMEA ones.
05:19:56 <harish> :-)
05:19:58 <tuanta> harish, hanthana stays under the Merlion :)
05:19:59 <hanthana> harish Singapore lah
05:20:17 <tuanta> zsun, USD please
05:20:19 <alick> zsun: it is cheap with sleeves to me
05:20:57 <harish> hanthana, ok lah
05:21:01 <zsun> alick:  Oh, so I may calculated wrong?
05:21:21 <tuanta> how much, in USD, zsun?
05:21:22 <hanthana> you should count not just production cost in China but, packing, TAX and postage cost
05:21:33 <tuanta> +1 hanthana
05:21:41 <alick> looking at 5000pcs, total is $0.34+0.22=0.56
05:21:58 <tuanta> alick, it is more expensive than in EMEA
05:22:04 <tuanta> $.36
05:22:16 <tuanta> ah, sorry
05:22:45 <hanthana> I can visit one day to RH Singapore office and help to harish to redistribute them
05:22:49 <zsun> tuanta:  since we need to make a conclusion, I think I will give a conditional +1 and then calculate more clearly and let others know later
05:23:06 <tuanta> I don't think we need booklet cover
05:23:11 <hanthana> when we suppose to receive them from EMEA?
05:23:43 <tuanta> hanthana, less than a week after it done in EMEA, I think so
05:23:50 <hanthana> cool
05:23:59 <tuanta> I need to check this with gnokii and Jiri
05:24:09 <tuanta> so, voting? :)
05:24:19 <tuanta> just 2 "+1"
05:24:45 <tuanta> zsun, alick, harish, rtnpro, pravins
05:24:54 <tuanta> your opinion?
05:24:56 * zsun +1 for the moment
05:24:57 <pravins> +1 from me.
05:24:59 <alick> zsun: how you calculate it?
05:25:05 <harish> +1
05:25:26 <zsun> alick: I will ask for vendor to see what the price will be for 1000/2000/3000 etc.
05:25:28 <tuanta> #agreed producing DVDs together with EMEA
05:25:53 <pravins> tuanta: my question is how can we get media for release parties? it should be done locally for some smaller quantities
05:26:03 <tuanta> #action tuanta to answer to Jiri and comfirm him the time
05:26:04 <pravins> and release party is time when most of the users expect media.
05:26:14 <tuanta> pravins, yes
05:26:34 <tuanta> I mentioned that before :)
05:26:39 <zsun> #action zsun contact with RH Beijing to see if they can help receive the DVDs
05:26:47 <alick> pravins: i think with EMEA they ask for swags before they want to hold relparty. tuanta can you confirm?
05:27:06 <tuanta> correct, alick
05:27:25 <tuanta> but we have not got a central store for swags in APAC now
05:27:34 <tuanta> we will make it
05:27:53 <rtnpro> +1
05:28:11 <tuanta> and the number is 3,000, right?
05:28:52 <tuanta> #info the number of DVDs produced in EMEA is 3,000
05:28:55 <hanthana> will EMEA produce swags for us or we do our own?
05:29:17 <tuanta> hanthana, we can do it in EMEA too
05:29:29 <tuanta> the more quantity, the cheaper price
05:29:48 <tuanta> I will send that question to Jiri and Sirko too
05:30:09 <tuanta> #action tuanta to ask Jiri and Sirko if we can produce swags together (EMEA and APAC)
05:30:18 <tuanta> that's all today?
05:30:24 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
05:30:38 <tuanta> too many important stuffs today
05:30:50 <tuanta> sorry for the late meeting :)
05:31:06 <tuanta> any more things to discuss?
05:31:10 <tuanta> nope from me
05:31:31 <pravins> tuanta: can you take care for reimbursment for https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/151  ?
05:32:10 <tuanta> pravins, it has been marked as ready-for-reimbursement and assigned to izhar
05:32:18 <pravins> tuanta: great
05:32:19 <tuanta> now you need to wait for him
05:32:20 <pravins> thanks a lot :)
05:32:34 <tuanta> I will end the meeting in a minute
05:32:50 <zsun> tuanta: I hear from Beijing LUG that Ubuntu community in China always have difficulties in receiving swags. So I think we need to figure out which is the best way to distribute swags for each country
05:32:58 <zsun> before actually sending it
05:33:08 <hanthana> my point is if we produce both DVD and swags together in EMEA it might easy to handle
05:33:26 <tuanta> zsun, we are trying a new way: from RH Singapore to RH Beijing
05:33:35 <tuanta> +1 hanthana
05:33:42 <zsun> Oh, ok. This may work better.
05:33:55 <tuanta> zsun, harish is doing it
05:34:14 <zsun> thanks harish. IMO, RH Beijing is trying to involve Fedora community these days
05:34:24 <hanthana> great!
05:34:24 <harish> zsun, yes i am aware
05:34:30 <zsun> s/involve/involve in/
05:35:00 <zsun> I do not have more issue now.
05:35:15 <hanthana> :)
05:38:05 <tuanta> #endmeeting