21:00:13 <sesivany_> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2014-11-12
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21:00:14 <sesivany_> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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21:00:18 <sesivany_> #topic Roll Call
21:00:23 <sesivany_> .fas eischmann
21:00:25 <zodbot> sesivany_: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
21:00:26 <frafra> .fas frafra
21:00:28 <zodbot> frafra: frafra 'Francesco Frassinelli' <fraph24@gmail.com>
21:00:37 <twohot> .fas twohot
21:00:38 <zodbot> twohot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
21:01:01 <Levex> .fas Levex
21:01:02 <zodbot> Levex: levex 'Levente Kurusa' <levex@linux.com>
21:01:42 <fale> .fasinfo fale
21:01:46 <zodbot> fale: User: fale, Name: Fabio Alessandro Locati, email: fabio@locati.cc, Creation: 2010-01-09, IRC Nick: fale, Timezone: Europe/Rome, Locale: it, GPG key ID: 6D6A29D6709A7851, Status: active
21:01:48 <zodbot> fale: Approved Groups: ambassadors fedorabugs packager cla_fedora cla_done cla_fpca
21:01:54 <heffer> .fasinfo heffer
21:01:58 <zodbot> heffer: User: heffer, Name: Felix Kaechele, email: felix@fetzig.org, Creation: 2008-07-04, IRC Nick: heffer, Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 2C2DD96B, Status: active
21:01:58 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
21:02:01 <zodbot> heffer: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done packager fedorabugs ambassadors cvsl10n cla_fpca
21:02:04 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <zacharias.mitzelos@gmail.com>
21:02:29 <cmpahar> .fas cmpahar
21:02:30 <zodbot> cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' <cmpahar@gmail.com>
21:03:14 <sesivany_> let's wait two more minutes for others...
21:05:18 <sesivany_> ok, let's start.
21:05:24 <sesivany_> #topic Announcements
21:05:33 <sesivany_> anyone any announcements?
21:06:06 <sesivany_> I've got some!
21:06:20 <sesivany_> #info Fedora 21 Beta was released last week: http://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-21-beta/
21:06:52 <sesivany_> one more
21:06:59 <RGeri77> .fas rgeri77
21:07:00 <zodbot> RGeri77: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com>
21:07:20 <sesivany_> #info Flock 2015 will take place in Rochester, NY: http://fedoramagazine.org/flock-2015-rochester-institute-of-technology/
21:07:33 <sesivany_> the place for Flock 2015 has been announced.
21:08:56 <sesivany_> 2016 will be our turn again, would you like to host it in your city? Start exploring possibilities. Such events need to be organized in advanced.
21:10:06 <sesivany_> if there are no other announcements, let's move to Requests.
21:10:59 <sesivany_> #topic Requests
21:11:41 <sesivany_> first of all: I'm not going to go through tickets related to EMEA FAD.
21:11:47 <GeroldKa> .fas geroldka
21:11:48 <zodbot> GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' <gerold@lugd.org>
21:11:51 * FranciscoD is here - sorry I'm late
21:11:53 <sesivany_> it comes from a separate budget.
21:11:59 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis ankursinha
21:12:00 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
21:12:03 <GeroldKa> sorry for beeing that late
21:12:08 <heffer> I will take care of them I guess ;)
21:12:15 <heffer> so you don't have to sesivany_
21:12:20 <sesivany_> but I have a proposal regarding EMEA FAD...
21:13:19 <sesivany_> we only have $2500 left in the FAD budget for all travel sponsorships. I'd like to ask if we can spend up to $1000 from our regional budget if we exceed it a bit.
21:13:40 <sesivany_> that's something that comes from our budget, so we need to vote about it.
21:13:57 <FranciscoD> if there's surplus in the regional budget, sure +1
21:14:05 <heffer> +1 from me. We underspent on all events I managed (a bit on FrOSCon and spent almost nothing on OpenRheinRuhr)
21:14:08 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: yes, we can afford it.
21:14:25 <FranciscoD> +1 then :)
21:14:25 <sesivany_> +1 from me.
21:14:33 <fale> +1 for me
21:14:40 <cmpahar> Agree with FranciscoD so +1
21:14:46 <GeroldKa> +1 also from me
21:14:50 <sesivany_> great, agreed.
21:14:55 <mitzie> +1 from me too, as I hope that we will be able to sponsor more people to come
21:15:38 <sesivany_> #agreed We decided to use up to $1000 from the regional budget on EMEA FAD if we get over the FAD budget.
21:15:47 <sesivany_> now back to tickets...
21:16:24 <sesivany_> #info Fedora 21 media production
21:16:27 <sesivany_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/426
21:16:46 <sesivany_> this is something we didn't decide last time and we need to do it today.
21:16:58 <sesivany_> otherwise we'll be late for the release.
21:17:20 <sesivany_> au, wrong ticket
21:17:24 <sesivany_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/422
21:17:26 <sesivany_> sorry
21:18:11 <sesivany_> I propose we go for DVDs like always, no special stuff.
21:18:25 <fale> +1
21:18:31 <GeroldKa> +1
21:18:40 <cmpahar> +1
21:18:46 <mitzie> +1
21:18:47 <sesivany_> gnokii last time proposed digiboxes, but it makes DVD bigger, heavier, and more expensive.
21:18:49 <heffer> before we have nothing else: +1
21:18:53 <FranciscoD> +1
21:19:03 <Levex> +1 for DVDs
21:19:20 <GeroldKa> and to be honest, F21 is also the birth of a new Fedora, please ave that date ever in mind
21:19:34 <sesivany_> he said that we could have space for info about other products on digiboxes.
21:19:54 <sesivany_> but I don't think we should put info about other products on Workstation DVDs.
21:20:36 <GeroldKa> no, I never said so, it was just a small remonder to everybody that the project will be divided in several points at these date
21:21:03 <sesivany_> GeroldKa: I didn't say you said it. Gnokii did.
21:21:10 <GeroldKa> without any rate o n it :-)
21:21:21 <sesivany_> anyway, how many of them do we want to produce?
21:21:29 <sesivany_> last time we produced 5000...
21:21:38 <GeroldKa> 1 for my collection please :-)
21:21:41 <sesivany_> and they lasted almost the whole year.
21:22:01 <sesivany_> do you think 4000 would be enough?
21:22:13 <GeroldKa> I think, 3000 will also fit
21:22:27 <GeroldKa> but where is the break even by producing?
21:22:30 * sesivany_ notes that he always produces another 1000 at expense of Red Hat Czech, so it's always more in fact.
21:22:57 <sesivany_> GeroldKa: see the ticket, there are quotes for each volume.
21:23:26 <sesivany_> quote for 4000 is missing, but it's somewhere between 3000 and 5000.
21:23:58 <mitzie> I think that 3000 are not much, I would propose a number between 4000-4500
21:24:05 <sesivany_> so, what do you think? 4000?
21:24:52 <fale> sesivany_: if for f20 we had 6k (5k + 1k from RH Czech) I don't think we will need 5k (4k + 1k) for F21..
21:25:11 <GeroldKa> why that quantity when u state by your own, that they lastes almost the whole year?
21:26:12 <GeroldKa> and that quantity was for server, cloud and workstation in one "DvD"
21:26:38 <GeroldKa> my personal proposal will be 3000 plus the 1000 rom CZ
21:26:40 <sesivany_> on the other hand you can't compare it so simply. Demand always goes down with time after release. So you always give away more if you have two releases in one year than one release.
21:27:07 <cmpahar2> I am not sure if any of the people who got these dvds used them for installing fedora on the cloud or server
21:27:32 <cmpahar2> But I totally understand gerolds point for less demand
21:27:33 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: we're only producing Workstation, that has been decided before.
21:27:43 <fale> sesivany_: this is surely true, I'm not sure about the exact trend because I've not been around for enought time to say
21:28:19 <RGeri77> these dvds is good for representing Fedora. Ex. in schools,and events. Anyway I always suggest download it from Fedora mirror
21:28:21 <sesivany_> how big problem for you is it if you don't get any media for an event?
21:28:35 <cmpahar2> I am +1 to gerolds proposal for 3K
21:29:05 * sesivany_ is trying to evaluate if it's better if we run out of them too early or if we have any left in the end.
21:29:21 <sesivany_> ok, let's make 3k then, who is for it?
21:29:48 <GeroldKa> +1 for me (3.000 + 1.000 CZ)
21:29:50 <FranciscoD> +1
21:29:51 <RGeri77> I cant decide its enough or not......
21:30:20 <sesivany_> +1, I think we can do with 3k well, too.
21:30:43 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: should I count you too?
21:30:53 <cmpahar2> Sure +1
21:31:10 <fale> +1
21:31:17 <cmpahar2> But wait a minute
21:31:22 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: yes?
21:31:40 <cmpahar2> From now on we won't have 6month releases
21:31:44 <cmpahar2> Right?
21:31:53 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: we will
21:32:03 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: what makes you think we won't?
21:32:40 <FranciscoD> the lifecycle is still 13 months - I don't remember reading anything about that changing
21:32:42 <sesivany_> after the experience with F20 you never know, but it's planned to have 6-month release cycles.
21:33:07 <cmpahar2> I am thinning that till now in six months the dvds are old
21:33:34 <cmpahar2> And i remember that I read that we won't follow the number naming, right?
21:33:38 <sesivany_> #agreed We will produce 3000 single layer DVDs of Fedora Workstation.
21:33:45 <cmpahar2> Fedora 21 and in six months fedora 22
21:34:23 <sesivany_> cmpahar2: yes.
21:34:29 <Levex> What if we run out?
21:34:58 <cmpahar2> In that case we could do more dvds than 3k
21:35:01 <sesivany_> Levex: then we run out last this time. It's not the end of the world. DVDs are less and less relevant anyway.
21:35:02 <GeroldKa> than we did a good job
21:35:22 <Levex> :)
21:35:26 <fale> :)
21:35:36 <GeroldKa> and if u get the DvD on March ....
21:35:48 <GeroldKa> you need to update 3,5 GB :-(
21:36:29 <sesivany_> ok, let's get back to tickets
21:36:31 <GeroldKa> from my POV they should be given away max. 1 month after release
21:36:39 <sesivany_> we've got a couple of them to go through.
21:37:22 <sesivany_> I'm going to approve #429 on peer review basis, it's relatively small amount.
21:37:30 <sesivany_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/429
21:38:33 <sesivany_> #info #432 - Extra expenses for OSOL Conference Szeged
21:38:43 <sesivany_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/432
21:39:39 <sesivany_> Levex: I have no problem to approve it, but please next time let us approve it beforehand, not retrospectively, then it's not really deciding.
21:40:02 <Levex> sesivany_: we didn't have the event yet :)
21:40:15 <fale> +1
21:40:19 <sesivany_> Levex: ah ok then :)
21:40:23 <FranciscoD> +1
21:40:40 <sesivany_> Levex: sorry, I somehow though it had taken place already :)
21:40:43 <sesivany_> then +1
21:40:51 <Levex> sesivany_: no problem :p
21:41:15 <Levex> can I vote for my own ticket?:p
21:42:27 <sesivany_> it's within the limit, so I can approve it on peer review basis.
21:42:32 <GeroldKa> +1 from me for 432
21:42:49 <sesivany_> Levex: just vote, so we can finish it :)
21:42:54 <Levex> +1
21:43:04 <Levex> haha, alright
21:43:19 <sesivany_> #agreed The ticket #432 has been approved.
21:43:44 <sesivany_> I don't see any other ticket that is waiting for approval...
21:44:24 <sesivany_> next topic...
21:44:33 <sesivany_> #topic Ambassador's schedule
21:44:41 <sesivany_> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-ambassadors-tasks.html
21:44:52 <sesivany_> the release date is still December 9th.
21:45:16 <sesivany_> are you planning to do release parties?
21:45:28 <sesivany_> which reminds me I need to do a call for release events....
21:45:42 <sesivany_> #action sesivany to write a cal for release events
21:46:37 <sesivany_> next topic then...
21:46:44 <sesivany_> #topic Events
21:46:46 <fale> sesivany_: in Italy (Milan) we will do one in January
21:47:09 <sesivany_> fale: ok, January is a safe option, F21 still can be delayed.
21:47:33 <fale> sesivany_: yep :)
21:47:47 <sesivany_> let's discuss the FAD now.
21:47:53 <sesivany_> heffer: are you still with us?
21:48:00 <heffer> always :)
21:48:49 <sesivany_> if you haven't created a ticket, please do so asap.
21:49:08 <sesivany_> heffer has an authority to approve them as long as we stay in the budget.
21:49:18 <sesivany_> then you can go ahead and buy tickets.
21:49:25 <heffer> definitely. please also take note of the information I added to the wiki just now about Ryanair and flights to "Düsseldorf-Weeze"
21:49:50 <heffer> in short: don't book flights to Düsseldorf-Weeze but to Düsseldorf only. Weeze is >100km from the Venue
21:49:52 <sesivany_> heffer: there are two airports in Dusseldorf?
21:49:55 <heffer> no
21:50:14 <heffer> the airport in Weeze is from the same company as Düsseldorf airport
21:50:30 <heffer> and for Ryanair to rip off customers they call themselves Düsseldorf Weeze
21:50:44 <heffer> although it's really nowhere near Düsseldorf
21:50:49 <sesivany_> heffer: typical :)
21:51:35 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: I didn't see you on the list, will you be with us at least via video conf?
21:51:47 <FranciscoD> I'll try :)
21:52:05 <FranciscoD> I'm asking the other UK ambassadors to jump in - they know a lot more about the area than I do
21:52:11 <FranciscoD> I'm still very new to the place :)
21:52:33 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: looks like we won't have anyone from the UK again :-(
21:52:50 <FranciscoD> sesivany_: I let them know, but most of them cant get off work :(
21:53:07 <sesivany_> jarcher would be the best candidate, but he can't due to family reasons.
21:53:15 <FranciscoD> I'll let them know about the video conf - maybe they can join in there too
21:53:49 <sesivany_> speaking of video conf, do you recommend any solution for it?
21:54:09 <sesivany_> Hangout is probably the best, but not a free software...
21:54:11 <FranciscoD> aye
21:54:15 <FranciscoD> I was just going to say that
21:54:37 <FranciscoD> ekiga?
21:54:39 <GeroldKa> as every year
21:54:53 <FranciscoD> haven't used it for a while, though
21:54:57 <frafra> WebRTC, there are many website
21:55:07 <frafra> *websites
21:55:07 <sesivany_> I have an experience with appear.in which si based on WebRCT, but it only allows 8 ppl max in one conf.
21:55:39 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: can Ekiga do multiperson video calls?
21:55:45 <FranciscoD> I'm checking
21:56:03 <fale> all the solutions based on WebRTC are strongly limited as number of partecipants, sadly :(
21:56:56 <sesivany_> fale: yeah, because of bandwith, it's all client-client, not client-server like Hangouts or Skype.
21:57:44 <fale> sesivany_: yep :(
21:57:55 <sesivany_> anyway, try to look for a solution.
21:58:20 <Levex> https://vline.com/ What about this?
21:58:29 <sesivany_> I'd rather use something that works (e.g. Hangouts) even though it's not open than to struggle to have working video conf.
21:58:32 <Levex> Is this doomed as well due to it being based on WebRTC?
21:58:45 <FranciscoD> http://openmeetings.apache.org/ ?
21:59:00 <Levex> probably not open source, but it looks simple & clean enough
21:59:07 <FranciscoD> sesivany_: if we don't find an open source alternative, I say hangouts too
21:59:07 <FranciscoD> at least it works
21:59:09 <frafra> http://lynckia.com/licode/
21:59:26 <Levex> FranciscoD: +1
21:59:56 <sesivany_> let's put all the suggestions on the wiki page.
22:00:06 <heffer> yeah. that would be best
22:01:03 <sesivany_> we may not even have more than 8 people joining us virtually, so even something with a limit might not be a problem.
22:01:08 <FranciscoD> yeah
22:01:38 <sesivany_> should we make another table for people who want to attend virtually to find out what demand is there?
22:02:05 <Levex> yes please, makes organizing easier I guess
22:02:09 <FranciscoD> +1
22:02:34 <Levex> if you make it, it might be worth an #info even
22:02:40 <sesivany_> #action sesivany to add a table for virtual attendees on the FAD wiki.
22:02:57 <Levex> or that :)
22:03:03 <sesivany_> levex: yes, I will announce on the mailing list.
22:03:08 <GeroldKa> +1
22:03:10 <Levex> oh, even better!
22:03:14 <sesivany_> ok, anything else to FAD?
22:04:10 <fale> I've a question about transport: There are no indication on how to go from DUS to the location
22:04:21 <fale> what's the best way?
22:04:43 <sesivany_> heffer ?
22:05:04 <heffer> Train to Leverkusen-Mitte Station from there use the Bus to Hitdorf Parkstraße
22:05:13 <heffer> ~45-60 Minutes
22:05:36 <fale> heffer: thanks :)
22:05:46 <GeroldKa> put that on the FAD wiki as well please
22:05:53 <heffer> Will do
22:06:12 <GeroldKa> +1
22:07:14 <sesivany_> #action heffer to add info about getting from airports to the venue of FAD.
22:07:39 <sesivany_> any other upcoming events you want to discuss?
22:08:05 * sesivany_ notes that we should start planning FOSDEM soon.
22:08:16 <sesivany_> anyone planning to go there?
22:08:30 <heffer> yes
22:08:39 <GeroldKa> me also
22:08:48 <GeroldKa> I also booked my cheap room
22:09:04 <GeroldKa> and announced it on the mailing list without response
22:09:21 <mitzie> me too, but not yet 100% sure
22:09:36 <sesivany_> GeroldKa: I must have missed that.
22:10:00 <GeroldKa> I had a exclusivly offer for Fedora
22:10:02 <GeroldKa> at http://www.funkeyhotel.com/
22:10:09 <FranciscoD> ooo funkey! :D
22:10:40 <GeroldKa> I pay for my double room from Thursaday till monday less that 200 EUR
22:11:07 <sesivany_> GeroldKa: that's the hotel where you stayed this year?
22:11:13 <GeroldKa> right
22:11:33 <GeroldKa> with so much fun insie
22:11:39 <GeroldKa> inside
22:11:40 <sesivany_> nice, let me put the organization together and I think we can go there too.
22:11:58 <GeroldKa> I'm afraid all will be booked by FOSDEM
22:12:10 <GeroldKa> but I can check again
22:12:31 <GeroldKa> I requested a quote for 10 rooms
22:12:39 <GeroldKa> and got the offer in August I guess
22:13:39 <sesivany_> if they are fully booked, no problem, we can go somewhere else, but it did look really like fun place :)
22:14:20 <GeroldKa> it is
22:14:26 <GeroldKa> I will send them an email again
22:14:39 <sesivany_> anything else?
22:14:51 <sesivany_> to events.
22:15:00 <sesivany_> otherwise let's move to open floor.
22:15:21 <sesivany_> #topic Open Floor
22:15:35 <sesivany_> now you can discuss any topic.
22:16:38 <FranciscoD> Has anyone been using liveusbcreator recently? Does it work well enough to be used at events?
22:16:53 <FranciscoD> sesivany_: we had discussed a usb creation kiosk a couple of meetings back I think.
22:17:12 <FranciscoD> I have this mock up ready, but I'm wondering if we can just use liveusb-creator.. if it functions..
22:17:16 <FranciscoD> https://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/fedora-usb-kiosk/#welcome_page
22:17:35 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: yeah, but there were objections to it.
22:17:48 <FranciscoD> ah, I seem to have forgotten that part XD
22:18:30 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: that's your new UI for Fedora USB Creator? :-)
22:18:45 <FranciscoD> well, kinda
22:19:02 <FranciscoD> if we do decide that it's needed, it'll be sent to the design team for improvement
22:19:16 <FranciscoD> think of it as a "concept" at the moment ;)
22:19:45 <FranciscoD> but yeah, the more I think of it, the more it feels just like liveusb-creator..
22:20:37 <sesivany_> FranciscoD: well, we can give it a try, but I would not have a dedicated machine for it at an event, rather using the one we demonstrate Fedora on because requests for creating an usb are not so common, usually once per event.
22:20:51 <FranciscoD> yeah, that's what I thought
22:20:56 <FranciscoD> and we have dvds too
22:21:37 <FranciscoD> probably best to shelf it for the time being
22:21:43 <FranciscoD> nothing more from me :)
22:22:50 <sesivany_> ok, let's end the meeting then because the LATAM guys start at half past.
22:23:00 <FranciscoD> +1
22:23:01 <GeroldKa> +1
22:23:13 <sesivany_> thank you for coming and meet you in 2 weeks!
22:23:14 <taquilla> ok
22:23:28 <sesivany_> #endmeeting