01:59:39 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
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01:59:45 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
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02:00:01 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:00:26 <wrnash1> Hi
02:00:42 <award3535> evening wrnash1
02:00:52 <award3535> #chair wrnash1
02:00:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 wrnash1
02:01:22 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
02:01:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 wrnash1
02:02:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey guys
02:02:52 <award3535> ping/ cydrobolt
02:03:09 <Cydrobolt> Hello award3535
02:03:37 <award3535> #chair Cydrobolt
02:03:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 wrnash1
02:03:53 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
02:04:00 <award3535> anyone have any thing
02:04:25 <wrnash1> No nothing today for me
02:05:01 <Cydrobolt> nothing from me either
02:05:19 <award3535> I believe this is going to be a light meeting, there is only one thing in the tickets and one event left before the holidays
02:05:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> I have something but it's probably more open floor.
02:05:46 <award3535> you can go now if need be, we'll hold off
02:05:49 <award3535> go
02:06:07 <suehle> here
02:06:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> So, I've been looking into the NAMM show.
02:06:23 <award3535> #chair suehle
02:06:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 suehle wrnash1
02:06:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's the National Association of Music Makers
02:06:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> yay suehle is here
02:06:41 <award3535> evening suehle
02:07:10 <award3535> so NAMM, heard of it, where is it
02:07:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's in Anaheim, CA
02:07:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Everyone that's in the music industry is there
02:07:50 <wrnash1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMM_Show
02:07:51 <award3535> local to you I presume
02:07:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> yeah
02:08:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> about 25 miles away
02:08:11 <award3535> cool
02:08:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> Everyone who's anyone in the music industry is there.
02:08:31 <award3535> are you looking to promote the jam spin
02:08:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> And Fedora in general.
02:09:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> There's little to no opensource involvement there at all.
02:09:28 <suehle> Sounds like a good opportunity to reach a new audience.
02:09:34 <award3535> great opportunity exsists
02:09:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> So we can promote a lot more than the Jam spin.
02:09:52 <wrnash1> I agree it would be a great opportunity
02:10:02 <award3535> now the hard question, what does a booth cost
02:10:10 <ParadoxGuitarist> Well, I don't know.
02:10:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's in January
02:10:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> so I was thinking maybe it would be good to send some people first?
02:10:43 <award3535> we saved a bunch on OLF, so if it is reasonable definietly on the radar
02:10:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Only Members can even go to the show
02:11:03 <suehle> I haven't even clicked yet, and I know this is going to be expensive. :D
02:11:14 <suehle> $30.75/sq ft. Those usually have a 10x10 minimum.
02:11:28 <award3535> ok, are you doing a recon mission
02:11:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's $675 for membership
02:11:59 <suehle> Yeah, so 100 sq ft increments, so 10x10 minimum
02:12:26 <award3535> 3k for 10x10
02:12:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> Membership gets 4 passes
02:12:43 <suehle> Yeah, $3,075 off the bat for a booth.
02:12:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> But here's the catch
02:12:59 <suehle> I think we'd have to know that there were four people really committed to working that booth hard.
02:13:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> You have to have hard deliverables to even be admitted
02:13:32 <award3535> well, you know I could do that, but just a little to far
02:13:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> We would have to have 2 invoices with companies in the Music Industry to be approved.
02:14:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> And Fedora doesn't really have those.
02:14:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> But Red Hat would qualify
02:14:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> If we had a booth the number of people we could send would increase significantly.
02:14:43 <award3535> and the other would be
02:15:05 <award3535> company that is
02:15:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> Red Hat would be the NAMM member, but could send Fedora representatives
02:16:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> But would have to send in an invoice for support to at least two music companies, Like Fender, Gibson, Rolland, Yammaha, Avid, Music Group...
02:16:52 <award3535> hmmm, but my concern is the interest of the attendees, that would be new ground for them
02:17:20 <wrnash1> would need to have a great demo for them
02:17:39 <suehle> That part I think is actually great--less preaching to the choir, more reaching a new audience. But for this cost, we need four really knowledgeable music people staffing that booth the whole time. This would probably be Fedora's most expensive show of the year.
02:18:08 * ParadoxGuitarist agrees with suehle
02:18:24 <award3535> well, that would rule me out, I am just a listener, but a security professional
02:18:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> Which is why I think we should send some people to lay some groundwork first.
02:18:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> But all the conversations won't be about music.
02:19:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> I can't tell you all the issues Behringer has had with  bug reports, websites, and forums.
02:19:34 <award3535> suehle what are your thoughts on sending recon fedora people first
02:19:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not to mention the horrible app development. And they're just one example.
02:20:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> I have no idea if Red Hat would want to send people of their own.
02:20:24 <suehle> I'm usually pretty skeptical about how effective that is in a show this size. But we could bring it up in a more populated meeting and get a broader opinion. Q4 is low on events, so there'd probably be budget.
02:21:30 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist can you create a ticket and I will get the word out on the FAMNA meeting for more participation
02:21:53 <wrnash1> +1
02:21:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> I know vwbusguy (who lives a few minutes away from me) has showed interest, as well as handsomepirate. I'm in no rush to come to any decisions.
02:22:18 <suehle> After OLF, I strongly object to sending handsomepirate to anything of this cost and maybe anything at all.
02:22:30 <suehle> He simply didn't show up, and his ticket had been bought in advance.
02:22:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> that's sad to hear.
02:22:58 <award3535> +1 on that from me poor performance and he had a talk scheduled
02:23:29 <suehle> He says he notified OLF, but they didn't know where he was, and he didn't tell any of us until I tried every contact method I had and finally heard from him on Tuesday after the conference.
02:23:37 <suehle> He said since his roommate had to back out, he just didn't go.
02:23:49 <award3535> he didnt even call to cancel
02:23:52 * ParadoxGuitarist sighs.
02:24:06 <award3535> but there was budget to support him showing up
02:24:09 <wrnash1> unprofessional
02:24:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> Well, I'm pretty passionate about making contacts there and am even willing to chip in on some of the costs.
02:24:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> at least for NAMM.
02:24:52 <award3535> I agree, just wished he would have called to cancel
02:25:13 <award3535> go ahead and create a ticket, then I will get the word out
02:25:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll go ahead and open a ticket and we'll see what other support we can drum up.
02:26:02 <award3535> hopefully we will have a larger participation next week to get some opinions
02:26:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> Thanks for letting me chat my head off.
02:26:18 <award3535> I think this is new ground and is worth looking into
02:26:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> We have until January 1 to get approved, after that, there's a fee for sending people to the show.
02:26:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> so no rush.
02:26:35 <award3535> just cautious on cost
02:26:49 <suehle> Well, if I have to track down proof of Red Hat's invoices with music companies, that should be factored into the timeline.
02:27:18 <award3535> shall we move to the tickets
02:27:34 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
02:27:48 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
02:27:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> yep
02:28:10 <award3535> .famnaticket 73
02:28:12 <zodbot> award3535: #73 (Fedora T-Shirt design contest) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/73
02:28:46 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nothing new on this I think.
02:29:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> We're just waiting for award3535 to get the t-shirts before we close it.
02:29:14 <suehle> Uh, they're printed.
02:29:27 <suehle> We gave away a ton of them at OLF.
02:29:37 <award3535> just waiting for the shipment
02:29:52 <suehle> oh yeah, last week's meeting, somebody was supposed to send me the addresses for them and nobody did
02:30:12 <award3535> I emailed that to you, I will resend
02:30:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> I thought I did
02:30:22 <suehle> Hm. I didn't see it. Sorry about that.
02:30:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> no worries
02:30:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> Another week won't kill us
02:30:41 <award3535> nope surely not
02:33:26 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
02:34:40 <wrnash1> I'm almost out of DVD for fedora 20.  I've been burning beta 21 and given that out.
02:35:19 <award3535> I have about 70 left from OLF and have been giving them out quickly
02:35:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> I have a bunch left
02:35:41 <award3535> suehle, I just send my information to your email accounts
02:35:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> I can get vwbusguy to print me out a shipping label if you send me your address.
02:36:16 <suehle> I'm actually going to have the printer ship them directly. Anybody know the other two addresses?
02:36:54 <award3535> I do not have nb's address
02:37:23 <suehle> I might, but my browser just barfed
02:37:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Mine is: 907 Shady Ln Glendora, CA 91740
02:39:42 <award3535> suehle, if you do not have it, I think it is on the box that we received at OLF for media, I can get it to you in the morning
02:39:50 <suehle> sounds like a plan
02:42:19 <award3535> does anyone have anything else tonight
02:42:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not I
02:42:30 <suehle> laundry
02:42:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> lol
02:43:07 <award3535> now that was funny
02:43:09 <wrnash1> nothing
02:43:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> Good meeting all
02:43:26 <award3535> but that could be taken several ways
02:43:36 <award3535> yes indeed good meeting
02:44:24 <award3535> for the Record I am giving ParadoxGuitarist action to create the ticket
02:45:04 <nb> hi
02:45:07 <award3535> #action ParadoxGuitarist to create ticket for NAMM
02:45:23 <award3535> evening nb, we are just about to wrap up
02:45:34 <award3535> we missed you at OLF
02:45:45 <award3535> was a great time
02:46:06 <award3535> busy and very enthusiastic
02:47:10 <nb> d him i wasn't going
02:47:20 <nb> oops just a sec
02:47:27 <nb> handsome pirate never had a roommate even
02:47:51 <nb> he wanted to share with me but then i told him i wasn't going and he was fussing about his credit card wouldn't work and he hadn't even made a hotel res
02:48:08 * nb agrees with ruth about being reluctant to fund him again
02:48:29 <nb> suehle, can you send headphones to me and ben and ParadoxGuitarist
02:48:37 <nb> and i guess we are getting shirts soon?
02:48:39 <suehle> Yup
02:48:42 <suehle> On both
02:48:52 <nb> suehle, should i email your gmail or your redhead?
02:49:00 <nb> redhat
02:49:01 <award3535> well he told me that it was all arranged
02:49:06 <nb> AAH! SPELL CHECK IS CRAPPY
02:49:17 <nb> award3535, nope, never was.  he kept wanting me to take care of it all
02:49:22 <suehle> nb, redhat
02:49:31 <nb> and i told him he could get a room but he didn't call them
02:49:42 <award3535> so it seems there was a little problem on his part
02:49:43 <nb> then he said he wasn't going because he didn't have a room
02:50:14 <nb> I love my macbook but using xchat on os x does autocorrect which is bad sometimes
02:50:18 <award3535> but he never told any of us or the event coordinators he wasnt going to show, plus a prepaid ticket
02:50:21 <nb> award3535, yeah
02:51:26 <nb> suehle, k, i just emailed you
02:51:30 <award3535> also there was no report for Fossetcon in orlando
02:51:46 <nb> suehle, oh, please update your credit card for stamps.com, it expired
02:52:00 <suehle> nb, will do
02:52:30 <nb> thank you
02:55:48 <award3535> ok folks, its about time to end the meeting, does anyone have anything else?
02:56:14 <award3535> suehle thank you for the reimbursement
02:56:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> Good meeting!
02:56:27 <suehle> award3535, thanks for all your work!
02:56:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
02:56:41 <wrnash1> +1
02:57:17 <award3535> thanks I really enjoy what I do with Fedora
02:57:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> =)
02:58:12 <award3535> have great rest of your evening thanks for attending the meetin
02:58:23 <award3535> #endmeeting