06:02:57 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:02:57 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:02:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:02:57 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:02:57 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-10-22
06:03:04 <mfabian> Hi! ☺
06:03:06 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting
06:03:21 <ueno> hi
06:03:44 <epico> hi
06:05:23 <fujiwarat> hi
06:05:31 <tagoh_> I think parag and pravins are away. so let's get started then
06:05:58 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:05:58 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-28        Beta Release
06:05:58 <tagoh_> #info 2014-11-18        Final Freeze (Former Final Change Deadline)
06:05:58 <tagoh_> #info 2014-12-02        Fedora 21 Final Release
06:06:58 <tagoh_> still on the beta freeze though, is there anything we may want to discuss about bugs ?
06:07:11 <tagoh_> just wonder if we should have a separate topic for bugs though
06:09:28 <tagoh_> nope?
06:09:51 <mfabian> I think it is good to discuss bugs.
06:10:45 <tagoh_> yes, if there are any bugs you guys mind
06:13:45 <tagoh_> maybe better move on then? I suppose all of you spent some time for testing though, nice to keep testing up.
06:14:45 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:14:46 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:14:46 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:16:55 <tagoh_> I think we could close this ticket so that the wiki is closed and we need to send a request to apply any changes to git.
06:17:10 <tagoh_> if there are any
06:18:05 <tagoh_> #info #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:18:05 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34
06:18:19 <tagoh_> any updates?
06:19:48 <tagoh_> if not, let's move on next.
06:20:20 <tagoh_> #info #36: review gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:20:20 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:20:37 <epico> Constantly improve i18n user experiences, such as input method and fonts rendering.
06:22:00 <juhp> hi
06:22:52 <epico> for the previous topic.
06:24:36 <juhp> epico, I added the suggestion to the trac ticket
06:24:44 <epico> juhp, thanks
06:25:02 <tagoh_> juhp, epico: thanks
06:25:49 <juhp> let me try to talk to desktop about control-center - the plans are not clear to me yet
06:26:36 <tagoh_> juhp: sure thanks
06:26:45 <juhp> #action juhp to ask Desktop about control-center Region and Languages redesign plans
06:27:02 <tagoh_> so maybe good to  discuss this on the list first what's better plan?
06:28:36 <juhp> tagoh_, right - since they will probably respond asking what we want...
06:29:17 <tagoh_> yeah, we need to have clear vision on it then. so let's start the discussion on the list.
06:30:12 <juhp> I think the original context was a bug report involving mfabian iirc where rtcm mentioned that it should be considered for the redesign
06:30:31 <tagoh_> sure
06:30:59 <juhp> should probably include a bz link to that
06:31:08 <juhp> mfabian, do you remember?
06:31:17 <tagoh_> yes, that would be helepful to understand the requirements of the redesign
06:32:09 <mfabian> looking for link ...
06:32:40 <tagoh_> mfabian: can you add a comment on the ticket when you find it out?
06:33:32 <tagoh_> let's move on then
06:33:48 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:33:48 <tagoh_> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:33:48 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:35:11 <tagoh_> maybe I should polish the result page to improve visibility and post the summary of the result.
06:35:26 <tagoh_> will do that by next meeting
06:35:59 <tagoh_> #action tagoh_ to summarize the result of i18n test day
06:36:08 <tagoh_> #info #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:36:08 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:36:20 <tagoh_> no updates?
06:39:37 <tagoh_> #topic New topic
06:39:37 <tagoh_> #info #37: Should we need i18n-sig fas group? (pnemade)
06:39:37 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/37
06:40:54 <tagoh_> well, parag pointed out if we could apply the beta-testers for group maintainership where posted at the list
06:40:57 <tagoh_> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/203114.html
06:42:11 <tagoh_> anyone have any comments?
06:43:26 <juhp> a few thoughts
06:43:54 <juhp> it might help with sharing package maintenance load
06:44:27 <tagoh_> yes
06:44:42 <juhp> or for updating a large number of i18n packages together say
06:44:58 <juhp> maybe paragan has more ideas, dunno
06:45:27 <juhp> dunno if we have enough potential usage to make it useful for beta testing though
06:45:29 <tagoh_> the second one might be likely to see for ibus huge-updates perhaps?
06:45:52 <juhp> ah yes or fonts perhaps
06:45:58 <tagoh_> right
06:46:08 <juhp> etc
06:46:59 <juhp> currently we have i18n-team pseudo group - but seems it would need i18n-sig group to be setup
06:47:19 <juhp> this might be confusing too - or perhaps they can support i18n-team, dunno
06:47:41 <tagoh_> right. given that we are moving to i18n-sig, we don't need i18n-team group anymore?
06:47:57 <juhp> if, perhaps
06:48:00 <tagoh_> that might be duplicate
06:48:04 <juhp> right
06:49:16 <juhp> I am not sure on urgency, it seems like something more for f22, but it is good to know about this
06:49:54 <juhp> I might be tempted to wait until it goes out of beta personally
06:50:00 <tagoh_> I tend to agree with this idea but not sure if this is really needed for us
06:50:11 <juhp> but of course it doesn't affect me much :)
06:50:31 <juhp> tagoh_, right that is another point - which packages if any need thjs
06:50:33 <juhp> this
06:51:13 <tagoh_> he seems wanted to talk/discuss about it though :)
06:51:17 <juhp> but maybe some people want it - hunspell-* might be another example perhaps
06:51:22 <juhp> yep
06:51:29 <juhp> so let's discuss more later?
06:51:36 <tagoh_> okay
06:51:47 <tagoh_> so in next meeting then
06:52:02 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:52:11 <tagoh_> anything else we want to discuss in this meeting?
06:53:33 <tagoh_> and looking for anyone who wants to chair next meeting, too :)
06:57:11 <tagoh_> maybe better trying to find out after the meeting...
06:57:20 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here if not.
06:58:30 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:58:34 <tagoh_> #endmeeting