04:00:12 <tuanta> #startmeeting
04:00:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Oct 11 04:00:12 2014 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:00:23 <tuanta> #meetingname apac-20141011
04:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac-20141011'
04:00:28 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:00:44 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:00:47 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:04:05 <tuanta> #info TOPIC: Announcements
04:04:14 <tuanta> #info TOPIC: Tickets
04:04:22 <tuanta> #info TOPIC: Open Floor
04:08:13 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
04:08:14 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
04:08:24 <tuanta> #chair gnokii
04:08:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii tuanta
04:08:33 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro
04:08:34 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com>
04:08:36 <tuanta> gnokii, just you can me. lets atsrt :)
04:08:58 <tuanta> #topic Announcements
04:10:43 <tuanta> #info Fedora new governance has been approved: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council
04:10:48 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-October/003234.html
04:11:48 <tuanta> #info we just collected about 20 inputs for APAC Polo Shirts: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts
04:12:30 <tuanta> #idea All APAC ambassadors should input their Polo Shirts size
04:12:38 <tuanta> #chair pravins
04:12:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii pravins tuanta
04:13:03 <pravins> hi tuanta and all
04:13:15 <tuanta> hi pravins
04:13:27 <tuanta> #topic Tickets
04:13:32 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:14:41 <tuanta> #info there are two pending tickets today
04:14:58 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #151
04:15:03 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/151
04:15:21 <gnokii> tuanta: makes that sense 3 people no quorum
04:15:29 <tuanta> it is reported by pravins
04:15:50 <tuanta> gnokii, yes. then we should discuss only
04:16:01 <tuanta> we can not do voting
04:16:08 <pravins> sure
04:17:28 <tuanta> pravins, I see your question about creating a ticket for discussing about a T-shirt production strategy for APAC
04:17:57 <pravins> yeah..I remember you mentioned it last time
04:17:58 <tuanta> sorry, I missed it. need to mark as an action today
04:18:43 <tuanta> pravins, are you willing to coordinate this new initiative (for T-shirt strategy)?
04:18:50 <pravins> I have updated my ticket with fedora contributors at conference as suggested by kushal
04:19:07 <tuanta> pravins, yes, I see
04:19:08 <rtnpro> tuanta, I will also like volunteer
04:19:29 <pravins> definitely. ..at least I can prepare draft
04:19:39 <rtnpro> tuanta, I have been getting T Shirts printed for our LUG from sometime now
04:19:48 <tuanta> cool, pravins  and rtnpro
04:20:07 <pravins> nice..will do together
04:20:19 <rtnpro> pravins, yeah :)
04:20:39 <pravins> :)
04:20:47 <tuanta> #action pravins and rtnpro to coordinate the new initiative to make a T-shirts production strategy for APAC
04:21:21 <tuanta> #action pravins to create the first draft of T-shirts production strategy for APAC
04:21:29 <tuanta> is that ok?
04:21:35 <pravins> yes
04:21:39 <tuanta> then now, back to the ticket #151
04:22:59 <pravins> Please point me if something is missing
04:23:33 <tuanta> I think that's fine now
04:23:51 <pravins> thank you
04:24:49 <tuanta> and the total is still $200?
04:26:39 <rtnpro> tuanta, that's usually the case when you print small number of T Shirts
04:27:18 <rtnpro> tuanta, however, since the event is near, we cannot but go for this small printing
04:27:59 <rtnpro> tuanta, however, for any next event, we'll be ready with our T Shirts (printed in bulk)
04:28:12 <tuanta> is it cheaper if the quantity is over 30 or over 50? any how much?
04:28:27 <tuanta> rtnpro, yes, I understood
04:28:38 <rtnpro> tuanta, it needs to be around 200
04:28:44 <tuanta> yes, I see.
04:29:07 <rtnpro> tuanta, I will explain a use case
04:29:20 * gnokii wonders himself always that so many people have knowledge about shirt printing
04:29:22 <rtnpro> tuanta, we printed 30 T Shirts for #dgplug this time
04:29:47 <rtnpro> tuanta, but the vendor does not print less than 200 stickers in one go
04:30:01 <rtnpro> tuanta, so, we printed 200 stickers
04:30:11 <rtnpro> tuanta, and 30 T Shirts
04:30:21 <pravins> rtnpro yes
04:30:29 <tuanta> another question: what happen if we run the event without T-shirts?
04:30:33 <tuanta> just curious
04:30:43 <rtnpro> tuanta, so the price for the 30 initial T Shirts is around 450 INR each
04:30:56 <tuanta> I would like to see if it is worth for Fedora to have T-Shirts at this event
04:31:05 <rtnpro> but for the next 170 prints, it will come down to 250 INR per T Shirt
04:31:17 <tuanta> rtnpro, it makes sense
04:31:26 <rtnpro> :)
04:31:30 <pravins> point here is to brand fedora as a best platform for language computing
04:31:55 <pravins> having people wearing this tshirt will spread this word
04:32:15 <tuanta> pravins, how many attendees you expected in that event?
04:32:24 <pravins> 150
04:32:36 <tuanta> it is not bad
04:32:45 <tuanta> I am fine with this
04:33:18 <pravins> thanks :)
04:33:22 <tuanta> pravins, do you need any other supports for your attendance at this event?
04:33:39 <pravins> no..it is at pune onlu
04:33:41 <pravins> only
04:33:49 <tuanta> ok. I see
04:34:37 <tuanta> ping alick KageSenshi
04:36:21 <tuanta> we have no quorum today
04:36:35 <tuanta> but the next meeting is next two weeks
04:36:59 <tuanta> pravins, is that enough time for you?
04:38:01 <pravins> yes...I will wait
04:38:20 <tuanta> ok, nice. we will do voting in the next meeting
04:38:51 <tuanta> #idea voting for the ticket #151 in the next meeting
04:39:18 <tuanta> #topic Tickets #65
04:39:27 <tuanta> we are back to the Polo Shirts topic
04:39:32 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/65
04:40:22 <tuanta> I just want to repeat that we need all APAC ambassadors to input their sizes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts\
04:40:28 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts
04:41:06 <tuanta> and also, I think it is better to put size in both Asian and Western standards
04:41:28 <tuanta> in my case, they are L and L
04:41:30 <pravins> I think good to give deadline for it
04:42:00 <tuanta> but with some others, it could be L in Asian standard and M in Western one
04:42:15 <tuanta> pravins, yes. It would be by the next meeting
04:42:18 <tuanta> is that ok?
04:42:29 <tuanta> Somvannda need about 10 days to produce them
04:42:56 <pravins> tuanta looks good
04:42:59 <tuanta> and we need them available in APAC FAD (Nov 14th)
04:43:48 <pravins> good strategy since ambassador from different countries visiting we can save courier cost !!
04:43:51 <tuanta> #info the deadline for putting Polo Shirts size is Oct 25th, 2014
04:44:19 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send another reminder for people to input their Polo Shirts size
04:44:33 <gnokii> -1
04:44:34 <tuanta> yes, pravins
04:44:36 <gnokii> 24th
04:44:57 <tuanta> yes, gnokii. i will change it
04:45:01 <tuanta> #undo
04:45:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by tuanta at 04:44:19 : tuanta to send another reminder for people to input their Polo Shirts size
04:45:08 <tuanta> #undo
04:45:08 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by tuanta at 04:43:51 : the deadline for putting Polo Shirts size is Oct 25th, 2014
04:45:14 <tuanta> #info the deadline for putting Polo Shirts size is Oct 24th, 2014
04:45:18 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send another reminder for people to input their Polo Shirts size
04:46:10 <tuanta> we like to have all sizes from all APAC ambassadors
04:47:00 <siddhesh> .fas siddhesh
04:47:01 <tuanta> but if we can not collect them all, we have two choice: guess the left size or not produce them
04:47:01 <zodbot> siddhesh: siddhesh 'Siddhesh Poyarekar' <spoyarek@redhat.com>
04:47:44 <tuanta> gnokii, pravins rtnpro siddhesh: which choice do you prefer?
04:47:44 <gnovi> .fas gnovi
04:47:45 <zodbot> gnovi: gnovi 'Praveen Patil' <praveenkumar103@gmail.com>
04:47:54 <tuanta> #chair siddhesh
04:47:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii pravins siddhesh tuanta
04:48:02 <siddhesh> sorry I'm late. had some last minute work
04:48:18 <siddhesh> tuanta, I don't know. I just joined :)
04:48:36 <tuanta> siddhesh, please read the logs before
04:48:58 <rtnpro> tuanta, we can produce them later, as needed
04:49:00 <gnokii> tuanta: what you mean with what choice?
04:49:09 <rtnpro> tuanta, future costs will come down
04:49:32 <rtnpro> tuanta, and events will keep on happening, so, we'll need them later too ;)
04:49:49 <tuanta> gnokii,  we can not collect all sizes from all APAC ambassadors, we have two choices: guess the left ones or not produce them
04:50:34 <tuanta> rtnpro, but we have to face the "cost by quantity" again
04:50:45 * rtnpro has got a call, going afk
04:50:46 <gnokii> tuanta: not produce them is probably a bad idea
04:51:00 <rtnpro> gnokii, +1
04:51:25 <siddhesh> it may make sense to produce some generic sizes in bulk and keep
04:51:28 <pravins> may be good to produce quarterly?
04:51:40 <gnokii> siddhesh: thats what we planned
04:51:43 <pravins> as per people respond with there sizes?
04:51:53 <gnokii> quarterly is nonsense
04:51:56 <siddhesh> but not too many since it is not as if we'll have 100s of ambassadors
04:52:08 <tuanta> pravins, it is a bad idea, cost could be increased much
04:52:45 <tuanta> gnokii, I think that too. But we may manage the "extra" quantity
04:52:48 <pravins> hmm...in that case we can produce for higher sizes...so one can at least alter later as per his size
04:53:17 <tuanta> my idea is to produce up to 120 or 150 pieces
04:53:24 <gnokii> tuanta: the extra was in the budget, but with guessing 80% of all sizes it canrun out fast
04:53:37 <tuanta> we have some specific sizes, then the left should be guessed
04:54:07 <tuanta> yes, gnokii
04:54:42 <gnokii> next problem is then that the sum to send them will increase
04:55:03 <tuanta> gnokii, you meant the postal cost?
04:55:09 <gnokii> yes
04:55:14 <siddhesh> and customs
04:55:23 <pravins> how many updated there sizes?
04:55:28 <gnokii> siddhesh: no customs
04:55:44 <tuanta> we can choose between distribute them during some events or send it over the postal
04:56:08 <tuanta> +1 gnokii, no customs
04:56:15 <siddhesh> gnokii: shipping from outside into India, yes. we will have to pay some duty.
04:56:25 <gnokii> siddhesh: f
04:56:36 <tuanta> siddhesh, with only one polo shirt?
04:56:55 <siddhesh> tuanta, unfortunately, yes.
04:57:29 <tuanta> then it is best to have someone to bring all back to India at an event
04:57:44 <gnokii> siddhesh: shall I look fast to india custom rules trying to find the reulation that you not pay customs for gifts under a amount?
04:57:47 <tuanta> siddhesh, you are in charge of that (at the next FAD :)
04:58:04 <siddhesh> tuanta, yes, I can carry some back
04:58:17 <tuanta> siddhesh, cool
04:58:38 <tuanta> ok, time is almost over
04:58:46 <siddhesh> gnokii, ahh if you send as a gift, yes. sometimes we can avoid paying duty
04:58:51 <gnokii> siddhesh: not some all, kushal said you have no problem with ;
04:58:51 <tuanta> if you have no urgent things, we can end the meeting soon
04:59:48 <siddhesh> gnokii, some == 10-15, which should be enough to cover all ambassadors here for now :)
04:59:58 <gnokii> siddhesh: 33
05:00:05 <tuanta> gnokii, I think the best way is to arrange some for siddhesh to bring back to India to all (almost) Indian ambassadors
05:00:16 <tuanta> +1 siddhesh
05:00:43 <siddhesh> gnokii, we'll be snipping down the ambassador list from India. most of them have been inactive for years.
05:00:51 <tuanta> gnokii, but kushal is proposing to remove/revoke some of them
05:01:04 <tuanta> yes, siddhesh. and kushal is working on that
05:01:13 <siddhesh> right
05:01:24 * rtnpro is back
05:01:32 <tuanta> I think 15 may be enough
05:01:45 <tuanta> anyway, we have more time to think that
05:02:01 <gnokii> tuanta: the only problem is, you can give him only the ones where size is known
05:02:03 <pravins> yes :)
05:02:25 <tuanta> I will mark this as an action for siddhesh ?
05:02:48 <siddhesh> tuanta, yes
05:03:24 <tuanta> #action siddhesh to make a list of people in India to get Polo Shirts
05:03:44 <tuanta> gnokii, we can see that after we have that list
05:04:33 <tuanta> I think we can give some for ones who put their sizes then some 'extra" one with guessed sizes
05:04:59 * tuanta has to go now
05:05:06 <pravins> same here
05:05:15 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
05:05:18 <gnokii> tuanta: no lunch for you ;)
05:05:28 <siddhesh> :)
05:05:32 <tuanta> gnokii, I have another meeting now
05:05:45 <tuanta> no lunch today :(
05:05:46 <gnokii> tuanta: multitasking ;)
05:06:00 <rtnpro> pravins, siddhesh, where do we put our ambassador T Shirt sizes?
05:06:01 <tuanta> ok, that's all today. I will end the meeting now
05:06:19 <gnokii> tuanta: one thing
05:06:24 <tuanta> rtnpro, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts
05:06:25 <tuanta> huhu
05:06:31 <siddhesh> rtnpro, fetching the link, one sec
05:06:40 <siddhesh> oh, there :)
05:06:45 <rtnpro> siddhesh, got it, thanks tuanta
05:06:46 <gnokii> tuanta: note the room mates for fad ;)
05:07:05 <rtnpro> tuanta
05:07:18 <rtnpro> are the T Shirt sizes in UK/US style?
05:07:40 <tuanta> rtnpro, you should read back the logs for this :)
05:07:59 * rtnpro is scrolling back :)
05:08:04 <tuanta> gnokii, ok. got it
05:08:19 <siddhesh> rtnpro, Asian sizes.
05:08:48 <tuanta> end now, ok?
05:08:53 <siddhesh> ok
05:08:55 <pravins> ok
05:09:08 <tuanta> #endmeeting