01:00:52 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
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01:01:37 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:01:51 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:01:57 <mattdm> hello!
01:02:08 <award3535> mattdm good evening
01:02:09 <MarkDude> .fas markdude
01:02:10 <zodbot> MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' <doctorfoss@gmail.com>
01:02:15 <MarkDude> Hello FPL :)
01:02:15 <award3535> staying tor the meeting?
01:02:17 <mattdm> this is usually a terrible time of day for me but it happened to work so I thought I'd say hello!
01:02:25 <MarkDude> +1
01:02:44 <award3535> #chair mattdm MarkDude
01:02:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: MarkDude award3535 mattdm
01:03:05 <award3535> we give a few to see if any one else shows up
01:03:27 <Cydrobolt> Hi
01:03:29 <Cydrobolt> .fas cydrobolt
01:03:30 <zodbot> Cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' <summermontreal@gmail.com>
01:03:39 <award3535> MarkDude, I will be writing that article and post it this week end
01:03:48 <MarkDude> The cake thing worked ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USNWikm_O8Q&feature=youtu.be
01:03:56 <award3535> # chair Cydrobolt
01:04:06 <award3535> #chair Cydrobolt
01:04:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt MarkDude award3535 mattdm
01:04:10 <MarkDude> Altho the main cake tasted iffy- the cakebites saved it :D
01:04:28 <wrnash> hi there
01:04:37 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in
01:04:55 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist wrnash
01:04:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt MarkDude ParadoxGuitarist award3535 mattdm wrnash
01:05:08 <MarkDude> Greetings Fedorans \o
01:05:33 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:05:56 <award3535> does anyone have anything tonight
01:06:07 <award3535> there are no tickets
01:06:19 <award3535> and yes the cake worked
01:06:21 <MarkDude> Swag for Seagl
01:06:37 <mattdm> I don't have an annoucement but I have some questions :)
01:06:47 <award3535> MarkDude did you email nb
01:06:47 <MarkDude> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/94
01:07:09 * MarkDude will do that- was not sure if I should have created another ticket :)
01:07:15 <MarkDude> And attached it
01:07:35 <award3535> I know nb has swag, I have very little from fossetcon
01:07:41 * MarkDude has local person to ship to so its easy to floow up with nb
01:07:54 <award3535> mattdm what is your question
01:07:56 <MarkDude> #action MarkDude swag from nb
01:08:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> Wait
01:08:05 <mattdm> it's a two-part question :)
01:08:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> Did you not put in a request at fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/
01:08:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> ?
01:08:43 <mattdm> first I was looking at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events and it seems to end at august
01:08:58 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist are you the distro point for west
01:09:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> I am
01:09:05 <mattdm> oh no wait i see it's in a weird order
01:09:30 <mattdm> it ends at october, then :)
01:09:41 <MarkDude> Well yes, "the wiki sorta sucks" <<< that is how I met Ian Weller. True story from FUDcon
01:09:48 <mattdm> heh
01:09:50 <MarkDude> :)
01:09:56 <MarkDude> HE agreed
01:10:01 <award3535> I dont find it easy either
01:10:06 <mattdm> anyway point wasn't to complain about wiki, just wondering if we have stuff after that
01:10:15 <mattdm> and specific, if anyone has talked about or thought about LISA
01:10:35 <mattdm> it's a great sysadmin-friendly conference and when I went last year there was a great fedora-friendly audience
01:10:52 <mattdm> and, particularly, I'd really like to push Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud there
01:10:52 <award3535> LISA was not proposed but I remember you were asking for volunteers last year
01:11:14 <award3535> where is the event mattdm
01:11:17 <MarkDude> When/where is it?
01:11:18 <mattdm> seattle
01:11:33 <mattdm> https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa14
01:12:14 <mattdm> I'd like to see if we can send someone from the Fedora Server WG -- stephen gallagher said he'd do booth duty
01:12:26 <mattdm> and stephen smoogen was also interested in helping
01:12:42 * MarkDude can think of at least 3 people able/skilled to go
01:13:07 <award3535> then we need to get an event page and ticket started
01:13:10 <mattdm> Red Hat is, I think, sponsoring a booth which we could share with centos and some other rh community projects (rdo, ovirt, i think)
01:13:22 <MarkDude> Maybe Larry Cafiero. He is going to SeaGL for us too
01:13:40 <mattdm> I was hopign we'd have f21 out by then, but oh well :)
01:13:41 <award3535> who is heading this up?
01:13:50 <MarkDude> #Action make Lisa event page
01:13:55 <MarkDude> \o
01:14:01 <MarkDude> if no one else steps up
01:14:01 <mattdm> award3535 help wanted, I think :-/
01:14:03 <award3535> you can always down load f21
01:14:13 <lcafiero> mattdm - there have been precedents where RH and Fedora have not shared space, and you'd have to ask the RH folks about that.
01:14:14 <MarkDude> Larry agreed to own SeaGL so...
01:14:18 <mattdm> yeah, I think it'd be fine to promote the beta.
01:14:20 <award3535> MarkDude you got the action on that
01:14:41 <mattdm> lcafiero: yes, I did ask. this isn't the rh corporate booth, it's a rh community one
01:14:41 <award3535> mattdm, too far for me
01:14:53 <lcafiero> OK then.
01:14:54 <MarkDude> #action MarkDude is owner until better choice :D
01:15:19 <mattdm> if we're intested in making it a big deal (and I think it might be worth it) we could look at getting our own
01:15:35 <MarkDude> How many people were you thinking?
01:15:55 <MarkDude> 5 would not be an issue to get- but would we want that many?
01:16:00 <MarkDude> 3-4 maybe?
01:16:03 <award3535> #chair Icafiero
01:16:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt Icafiero MarkDude ParadoxGuitarist award3535 mattdm wrnash
01:16:28 <mattdm> MarkDude: I think 5 is probably too many but I don't know. What's the norm for this kind of event?
01:16:52 <MarkDude> 3 is safe so no one gets locked to table
01:16:58 <award3535> 3 to 4 normally depending on how the audience attendance is
01:17:13 <MarkDude> 4 is prolly best- unless we have many speakers there :D
01:17:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think we only had 3 for SCaLE
01:17:29 <MarkDude> SCale needs 5 at least
01:17:42 * MarkDude is in a car of 3 of them
01:17:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not counting VWBusguy who was on SCaLE's ticket for being a speaker
01:17:56 <lcafiero> Actually, SCALE tends to be well staffed.
01:18:05 <MarkDude> ANyway- lisa will be put on event- and mentioned in social media :)
01:18:13 * lcafiero can't staff SCALE since I work for the show
01:18:37 <mattdm> What does the budget look like for Q3?
01:19:15 <award3535> well since no one passes any info to me I have no idea
01:19:27 <award3535> since I volunteered to track it
01:19:44 <award3535> but no one sends me the expenses from trips
01:19:45 <mattdm> award3535: yeah, I know I owe you a phone call about that.
01:20:19 <award3535> so, I have no idea, Fossetcon was under budget, but have no idea on anything else
01:20:54 <award3535> I am also waiting on swag costs also
01:21:11 <mattdm> hmm okay
01:21:13 <award3535> such as shirts, ear buds, stickers, etc
01:21:35 <mattdm> don't all of these things go in tickets?
01:21:37 <award3535> so the budget is off
01:22:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> They do
01:22:12 <award3535> not what I need, for instance, the actual cost of plane tickets, rooms, parking
01:23:01 <mattdm> it seems like that should go in tickets too
01:23:07 <award3535> from other members, the event page should be updated by those who attend, but never does, I just updated Fossetcon for mine, but Jdulaney I have no idea on the actual cost
01:23:31 <mattdm> okay, so, yeah, clearly something to sort out!
01:23:45 <award3535> it should but the other problem is I do not have access to look at anyone elses but mine
01:24:06 <mattdm> ah yeah. file that under "trac sucks"
01:24:11 <mattdm> but we can probably fix that
01:24:11 <award3535> reembursment request I do not see, so you would have to update the request ticket
01:24:44 <award3535> ruth talked to me about the changes coming down in this area, but I do not have a clear picture on what she wants yet
01:25:11 <mattdm> okay. maybe we should set up a meeting to work that out?
01:25:28 <mattdm> but let's say assuming everything is basically on track, with some over and some under....
01:25:39 <mattdm> with the events planned in q3 already, is there room for more expense?
01:25:51 <mattdm> and is anything on the horizon for q4?
01:26:23 <mattdm> I understand the total annual budget to be $43,850, right?
01:26:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> I was under the impression that we used the last of q3 budget for our tshirt order.
01:26:46 <award3535> no it was higher let me check
01:26:46 * ParadoxGuitarist could also be way off.
01:27:55 <award3535> the last sheet total was 56.3k
01:28:07 <MarkDude> Trac needs help
01:28:33 <mattdm> hmmmm. okay. so, we might not have much budget room
01:28:58 <MarkDude> Well, we can ask for 10% raise
01:29:16 <MarkDude> We have been fair with money- lets do that for next quarter :)
01:29:26 <award3535> I have no information on NELF, OSSCON, LFNW, TLF etc....
01:29:55 <mattdm> okay. I'll talk to Ruth and whoever else at OSAS and try to figure this out.
01:30:18 <MarkDude> Well the line between RH and Fedora travel is a thing too
01:30:19 <award3535> that has been my heartburn
01:30:42 <MarkDude> as in we get help from having RH people paid to be there, so thats all win for Fedora :)
01:30:44 <award3535> no information and tickets not updated
01:31:16 <mattdm> MarkDude, award3535 As I understand it, if it's Fedora travel, it should be clear and we should know about it, and if we don't know about it we should assume that it's RH travel
01:31:19 <MarkDude> Tickets need to fill the extra field we have- with maybe a timer- or a self desctruct
01:31:53 <MarkDude> Yes mattdm - but for OSCON we had two FEdorans
01:31:59 <MarkDude> paid by project
01:32:00 <award3535> I agree, I only track those for FEDORA, not RH, they are on their own
01:32:31 <mattdm> from an internal view: OSAS, from which the fedora community budget flows, also has discretionary money that can be used for red hatters making requests when their own departments for whatever reason can't cover it
01:32:51 <award3535> so does that take from our budget
01:32:59 <award3535> if so, we are way off
01:33:02 * MarkDude 's point is that mostly we get the benefit of RH being there, rarely the short end of stick
01:33:04 <mattdm> no, it doesn't.
01:33:14 <mattdm> right, exactly what MarkDude said.
01:33:29 <mattdm> at least, as I understand it. I'm going to try to get more details on the specifics.
01:33:50 <mattdm> So let me do that and then we'll see where we stand for the rest of the year
01:33:51 <award3535> please, now I am truly confused
01:34:15 <MarkDude> And if we as a project can justify it with awesome things we do- we can ask for mmore momeny, We NEED to do out rceipts better tho
01:34:32 <award3535> mattdm, you will need to call me with the reasoning and answers
01:34:42 <mattdm> award3535: I will.
01:35:00 <mattdm> award3535: (we can schedule that separately. i need to talk with osas first)
01:35:14 <award3535> sure just email me
01:35:19 <mattdm> award3535: I will
01:35:39 <mattdm> MarkDude: yeah, that's important. It'd be nice to be able to demonstrate measurable impact from conferences
01:35:52 <MarkDude> Yay, /me is stoked award3535 is taking lead
01:35:57 <MarkDude> agreed
01:35:59 <mattdm> If we go to Conference A, what does that do for us? If we *don't* go to Conference B, what happens?
01:36:12 * MarkDude is looking at the deliverables of it too :)
01:36:18 <MarkDude> <phone call"
01:36:21 <MarkDude> brb
01:36:47 <mattdm> For next year, I'd like to be really intentional about where we go and why.
01:36:56 <award3535> I usually keep the funding in track and we can reassign as necessary, that is why I volunteered to do the budget, I have good exp with managing a budget
01:37:07 <mattdm> award3535: awesome.
01:37:09 <award3535> +1
01:37:19 <wrnash> +1
01:37:33 <mattdm> Which events can we really make a difference at? Where do people not care at all?
01:37:53 <mattdm> Are there new events we should be getting to, maybe outside of traditional linux fests?
01:37:54 <award3535> usually the same events that are popular get the attention and we reuse the left over for other events
01:39:18 <award3535> If I have an event that is in Jacksonville, Fl with the local lug, I just go, to ticket, no issues, I promote Fedora and its views, I am pleased to do that, I just ask for swag when needed
01:39:37 <ParadoxGuitarist> Just want to throw in my two bits:  I've heard there's been grumblings about how large the NA budget is already that we're not using resources well.  (not that I agree with that sentiment) I think it would be good for us to enable award3535 to help us manage our budget well for a year before we ask for anything more.
01:40:39 <award3535> I volunteered for OHIO because kk4ewt could not go, so that is really out of my area, and the year previous, we tried Indiana, unless they show improvement we wont go again
01:40:43 <MarkDude> SeaGL is one our new things
01:40:45 <wrnash> What is the option for each ambassador to get a small box of swag to hand out to people in there area.
01:40:58 <wrnash> and hold the event box for larger events.
01:41:02 <award3535> wrnash ambassadors kit
01:41:14 <MarkDude> We try to send local people if possible
01:41:34 <award3535> regional shippers control the event boxes where they are located for events
01:41:37 <MarkDude> I mean the other option is the Ubuntu *focused model* only go to some events
01:41:57 <MarkDude> Not go to OSCON, even tho its free and they have local folks
01:42:23 <award3535> but do the local folks request funding?
01:42:39 <wrnash> I do not when i goto a local event.
01:42:52 <award3535> neither I
01:43:01 * MarkDude has paid for a few thousand prolly on my events
01:43:12 <MarkDude> Tired of it- unless I get a huge Jono like job
01:43:31 <mattdm> yeah, I don't see any reason to discourage that -- low cost so it doesn't need to have earth-shattering return
01:43:43 <MarkDude> And we try to match
01:43:50 <MarkDude> FOSSETCON was worth 1000
01:43:51 <mattdm> (that's a reply to above markdude :)
01:43:55 <award3535> +1
01:44:01 <MarkDude> eof :D
01:44:08 <MarkDude> Great points tho
01:44:12 <mattdm> for the ones that are expensive, we should see what we can measure at the different ones
01:44:20 <MarkDude> +1
01:44:22 <award3535> MarkDude did you read my report
01:44:33 <MarkDude> Not yet,
01:44:34 <mattdm> award3535: your reports are great. we need to promote them more
01:44:45 <mattdm> the user feedback is always interesting
01:44:53 <MarkDude> On the Magazine no less.
01:45:13 <MarkDude> Feedback is really great. Candor lets us know where we stand
01:45:20 <award3535> mattdm, I will be posting an article this weekend on the magazine just got to clean it up and smooth
01:45:28 <mattdm> award3535: nice!
01:45:34 <mattdm> thanks!
01:46:44 <award3535> going to open floor
01:46:46 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:47:08 <award3535> since we have really been there
01:47:23 * MarkDude has nothing- needs to go meet a man about a dog :D _ Listen to the Fedora UK Podcast
01:47:41 <mattdm> anyway -- I will try to figure a few things out and at least call andrew and hopefully make the next meeting too
01:49:13 <award3535> This was a great meeting tonight, some things were discussed that need to be out in the open
01:49:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
01:50:17 <mattdm> yeah :)
01:50:19 <award3535> any thing else from the crowd....
01:51:15 <award3535> I would like to thank everyone for showing up tonight.
01:51:53 <mattdm> yes thanks :)
01:52:23 <award3535> everyone have a good rest of your evening/night, see you all next week...
01:52:41 <award3535> #endmeeting