20:02:14 <robyduck> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2014-08-20
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20:02:23 <robyduck> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:02:32 <robyduck> #topic Roll Call
20:02:35 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:02:36 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:02:40 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
20:02:41 <MooDoo> .fas MooDoo
20:02:41 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
20:02:43 <fabian_a> .fas fabian_a
20:02:44 <zodbot> MooDoo: paulmellors 'Paul Mellors' <prjmellors@gmail.com>
20:02:47 <zodbot> fabian_a: fab 'Fabian Affolter' <mail@fabian-affolter.ch>
20:03:01 <jonar> .fas jfarcher
20:03:02 <zodbot> jonar: jfarcher 'Jonathan Archer' <jon@rosslug.org.uk>
20:03:20 <jonar> evening folks
20:03:28 <robyduck> evening
20:03:41 <kmf> hello
20:03:44 <MooDoo> howdy
20:03:48 <kmf> .fas kmf
20:03:51 <zodbot> kmf: kmfcandu 'Kyle Fletcher' <kyle.fletcher@candu.com> - kmf 'Karl Fischer' <kmf@fischer.org.za>
20:04:22 <jonar> everyone well?
20:04:29 <MooDoo> yeah pretty good thanks :D
20:04:38 <jonar> :)
20:05:17 <robyduck> ok, other people will jump in later, hopefully. Let's start.
20:05:22 <robyduck> #topic Announcements
20:05:33 <robyduck> Any announcements?
20:05:54 <MooDoo> Quiet as a mouse in the uk :S
20:05:58 <jonar> MooDoo, want to mention the hangout?
20:06:03 <robyduck> #info Fedora 21 Alpha release is planned for September 2nd
20:06:46 <MooDoo> I'm having a google hangout 8UTC tomorrow night, should be a laugh, fedora users whoever turns up basically :D
20:07:43 <kmf> +1
20:07:49 <robyduck> ;)
20:07:57 <robyduck> nice idea MooDoo
20:08:44 <robyduck> #info FrOSCon will be this weekend, august 23-24
20:09:00 <robyduck> https://www.froscon.de
20:09:41 <robyduck> anything else? /me doesn't have much more
20:09:49 <gnokii> with an empty Fedora devroom
20:10:14 <robyduck> oh, why?
20:10:31 <robyduck> heffer is not around right?
20:10:49 <gnokii> because we didnt orgainze talks, nobody reacted on the list and then the gave us last week the room
20:11:46 <robyduck> gnokii: are you going to attend?
20:11:55 <gnokii> yes
20:12:35 <robyduck> hopefully we can fill the room anyway then ;)
20:12:38 <heffer> wrong
20:12:39 <heffer> :P
20:12:45 <robyduck> hi heffer
20:13:15 <heffer> hi
20:13:31 <robyduck> heffer: do you have something to add to FrOSCon?
20:14:10 <robyduck> we are still in announcements, but if it's just an update you're welcome to give it now
20:14:38 <heffer> Well we have all set so far except a schedule for our developer room that suddenly appeared.
20:14:54 <heffer> @gnokii: hotel room for Sun -> Mon is confirmed now as well
20:15:07 <gnokii> ooh good
20:15:18 <heffer> But basically I'm looking forward to it being a nice event as always :D
20:15:21 <robyduck> cool, how are you set about swags? I saw a ticket, but shipping now it's too late :(
20:15:35 <heffer> gnokii: will bring some stuff
20:15:49 <heffer> i have some buttons and stickers also
20:15:53 <heffer> but not too many
20:16:14 <heffer> plus we have the 3d printer so i will make some fedora keychains just in case
20:16:22 <robyduck> that's great
20:16:42 <gnokii> robyduck: Jirka gave me everything what was left, the russians, and apac, latam people did nearly grep nothing so its a lot I have to carry
20:17:15 <robyduck> oh, then you need to rent a pickup probably ^^
20:18:02 <robyduck> anything other? If not let's move on.
20:18:04 <heffer> gnokii: please remember to create a ticket for your travel reimbursement
20:18:14 <robyduck> heffer: +1
20:18:19 <gnokii> heffer I will surly not forget that
20:18:24 <heffer> ;)
20:19:25 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:19:25 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:19:27 <robyduck> oh, and the budget tracking ticket is nice, maybe you can update that too, gnokii (once you have estimated travel costs)
20:19:43 <gnokii> 80€
20:19:46 <gnokii> 88€
20:20:40 <robyduck> #topic Requests
20:21:14 <robyduck> gnokii: will be back in a minute...can you look in the meanwhile?
20:21:24 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1
20:23:43 <robyduck> ok, first one is probably #398
20:23:52 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/398
20:24:07 <gnokii> mmh not funny
20:24:09 <robyduck> Funding for Request for Pretoria Software Freedom Day 2014
20:24:44 <kmf> yep, that's mine
20:24:52 <robyduck> kmf can you add something? I can'r see this as a planned event for the Fiscal Year 2015
20:25:21 <gnokii> is boring to hide the costs in pdfs we have to download now and convert Rand to US$
20:25:40 <kmf> sorry it's roughly $800
20:26:03 <gnokii> uuh
20:26:18 <kmf> @robyduck ... no it's not there
20:27:04 <robyduck> humm, anything you want to add?
20:27:09 <gnokii> and thats just renting an room?
20:27:28 <robyduck> yes I see the most is for the lounge
20:27:52 <kmf> it's more like a lounge with 3 board rooms and sound equipment and screen /projector
20:28:17 <kmf> can accommodate 100 people
20:28:30 <robyduck> this event id not Fedora-only, right?
20:28:39 <gnokii> puh
20:28:55 <kmf> have roughly 80 people registered already via Google+ and Facebook
20:29:08 <kmf> No it's software freedom day
20:29:09 <gnokii> means addionally to this costs there will be others, for swag, DVD some snacks maybe
20:29:17 <robyduck> normally we don't sponsor things like this, and we don't have any budget allocated right now
20:29:34 <kmf> gnokii, ... I have raised about $500 already
20:30:12 <kmf> I have organized DVD's from Anish ... it was shipped to him for Idlelo
20:30:13 <gnokii> ok and where is the wiki page?
20:30:25 <robyduck> gnokii: the swag ticket is #400, is that right kmf?
20:31:02 <kmf> robyduck, yes
20:31:23 <kmf> gnokii, the official SFD page is here ... http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2014/SouthAfrica/Pretoria/SFD getting the Fedora page now
20:32:27 <gnokii> well we usually do that in the first place
20:33:37 <kmf> gnokii, https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Events&action=history entry was added ... seems to be removed
20:34:34 <gnokii> kmf I meant more the planning page for the event
20:34:35 <kmf> gnokii, ... here's the page .. it's point to the SFD Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SFD_2014_Pretoria
20:35:10 <kmf> gnokii, ... it's bare
20:35:21 <gnokii> -1
20:35:26 <kmf> I'm the organizer for SFD ....
20:36:47 <gnokii> $500-1999 USD = The request requires approval from the appropriate regional community (APAC, EMEA, LATAM, or NA)
20:37:09 <kmf> cool
20:37:38 <robyduck> kmf, 800$ is really too much, and I'm not aware of the actual budget situation. Also the event has not been budgetized. Can you review it?
20:38:14 <kmf> robyduck, I can bring up previous meeting minutes where Jiri discussed it.
20:38:38 <robyduck> where?
20:40:14 <robyduck> found it
20:40:16 <robyduck> <sesivany> kmf: also don't forget that we still have the saved money from idlelo for an African event, that's something you can team up with twohot on. It'd be a pity not to use it.
20:41:00 <kmf> robyduck, ta :)
20:41:14 <gnokii> kmf you dont convince me at all
20:41:24 <robyduck> we have another event in Nigeria, you should split up the money with twohot
20:41:49 <kmf> gnokii, I'm all for that ... I had another company cover the deposit for today
20:42:15 <kmf> gnokii, we had a deadline to ve cover 30% of the total amount
20:42:56 <kmf> I'll settle for $499
20:43:14 <robyduck> we don't have any amount from twohot right now, so I' suggest to vote for 500$. Once we know how much twohot asks for, we can definitely agree to more.
20:43:33 <robyduck> kmf: would that be ok?
20:43:45 <kmf> robyduck, yes $500 is cool by me
20:43:49 <gnokii> kmf I even will vote negative for 500$
20:43:56 <gnokii> I tell you why
20:44:03 <kmf> gnokii, tell me
20:44:43 <gnokii> I see on the wiki page of SFD wiki, which I had to search for after I saw only the link on our wiki page 3 talks
20:45:40 <kmf> gnokii ... yes we are still geeting feedback on talks
20:46:11 <robyduck> ok, let's vote for SFD in Pretoria for 500$
20:46:19 <gnokii> so I shall decide giving you a lot of money for a thing whats not planned until to the end?
20:47:12 <robyduck> gnokii: that's a good point, and we should keep that in mind.
20:47:28 <robyduck> kmf: hopefully Fedora will be tha main actor in that event ;)
20:47:35 <kmf> gnokii, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kmf
20:47:44 <gnokii> until yet docker and ansible talk
20:47:59 <robyduck> can we vote now?
20:48:16 <gnokii> at this stage sorry -1
20:48:42 <kmf> gnokii, no problem
20:49:11 <robyduck> thunderbirdtr: fabian_a jonar
20:49:26 <robyduck> MooDoo:
20:50:17 <MooDoo> so this event isn't planned right?
20:50:31 <heffer> i'm a bit unsure about what to think of this. are we to be the main sponsor of this event then?
20:50:45 <robyduck> it's still in planning stage, and will be at september 20th
20:51:17 <robyduck> heffer: no, we are not the main sponsor IIRC
20:51:29 <robyduck> and that is what makes me unsure too
20:51:54 <kmf> Most organizations are donation a $100
20:52:07 <gnokii> uuh and fedora shall give 800$
20:52:09 <kmf> s/donation/donating
20:52:41 <kmf> gnokii, it's a request ... I table it here it's up for discussion
20:53:12 <heffer> i mean. if we haven't budgeted this that fact by itself makes it a -1 for me. i just can't see how we can chip out 500$ without having budgeted this first. also I don't see that we're currently in the right constellation of people at this meeting to reach a decision.
20:54:13 <robyduck> heffer: agree, we won't reach even the quorum I guess
20:54:18 <heffer> i'm pretty sure we will have a larger sum left over from FrOSCon because they started subsidizing the accommodation but I would like to get a second opinion on shifting any budget
20:54:26 <MooDoo> I'm with you on that heffer, I mean, is there a breakdown any where on what it's going to be used for?  A lot of money for not a lot that I can see [no offense]
20:54:40 <kmf> MooDoo, none taken
20:55:06 <MooDoo> I will admit that I'm only seeing this request this evening as I've not been to recent EMEA meetings.
20:55:34 <gnokii> kmf from my side its not that I say no dont give it to him, if you show me a wiki page inside the fedora wiki with a good schedule where I can believe it make sense you get my vote
20:55:37 <heffer> kmf: is there anything we can help you with so that we can get a clearer picture of what it is that is needed?
20:56:07 <kmf> no I'll head back to the drawing board :)
20:56:24 <MooDoo> Even if it's just a hackpad article with a break down, that would help :D
20:56:26 <robyduck> ok, let's pospone the decision
20:56:33 <kmf> rather not vote on it now ... let me follow procedure and get everything in order
20:56:40 <kmf> +!
20:56:42 <kmf> +1
20:56:56 <MooDoo> +1 for that kmf :D
20:57:39 <kmf> This is what we have so far ... it's not life yet. http://sfd2.websiteinprogress.co.za/
20:58:24 <robyduck> #info Ticket 398 for SFD Pretoria to be updated and voted at next meeting with a clear schedule and wiki page
20:59:11 <robyduck> we have another ticket
20:59:18 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/404
20:59:37 <robyduck> Travel request for thereaper for FrOSCon
21:00:03 <gnokii> robyduck: we havent to vote on it, its budgeted
21:00:39 <robyduck> gnokii: yes, right
21:00:42 <heffer> correct. i have a fixed budget that we discussed at Rheinfelden
21:01:02 <robyduck> heffer: yep, sorry
21:01:23 <robyduck> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
21:01:25 <heffer> it was meant mostly for travel but because of the fact that flock was pretty close to this event (my guess) some people from abroad aren't coming
21:01:32 <robyduck> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-ambassadors-tasks.html
21:02:28 <robyduck> there is not much we can do now, but as said in the last meeting, if you have ideas about swags, please let us know and we can see if we can produce them
21:03:32 <robyduck> Is there anything about events left? Otherwise I'll skip this topic for today. We already spoke about FrOSCon and SFD.
21:04:42 <heffer> nothing from my side
21:04:51 <robyduck> #topic Open Floor
21:05:07 <gnokii> yes OpenRheinRuhr has called today
21:05:19 <fale> I'm thinking about becaming an Ambassador :)
21:05:20 <heffer> ah right :)
21:05:28 <robyduck> #undo
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21:05:36 <MooDoo> going back to the hangout tomorrow night - https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/ci5e8no99976pmubha24p3c41lg
21:05:41 <robyduck> #topic Events
21:05:52 <robyduck> gnokii: have a link?
21:06:21 <gnokii> robyduck: http://openrheinruhr.de/callforpapers.html
21:06:29 <robyduck> gnokii: thx
21:06:37 <heffer> It's a very nice event and I guess we also budgeted it at FAD
21:06:41 <heffer> let me check
21:06:50 <jonar> fale, have you looked at this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
21:06:50 <gnokii> yes and you are the owner ;)
21:07:14 <MooDoo> fale: where are you? locale I mean.
21:07:23 <heffer> gnokii: Guess so ;)
21:07:38 <fale> jonar: yep, and I was looking for a mentor
21:07:39 <robyduck> #info Call for papers for OpenRheinRuhr ends at october 15th
21:07:42 <fale> MooDoo: Milan, Italy
21:08:15 <robyduck> fale: please speak up after the meeting, and check first the link MooDoo provided
21:08:25 <fabian_a> #info call for papers for LinuxDay Dornbirn ends a September 22nd
21:08:54 <robyduck> #info call for papers for LinuxDay Dornbirn ends a September 22nd
21:09:06 <robyduck> #chair fabian_a gnokii heffer
21:09:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: fabian_a gnokii heffer robyduck
21:09:14 <fale> robyduck: ok, thankyou
21:09:56 <gnokii> ok have 2 things left
21:10:13 <robyduck> thanks fabian_a. Anything we should add to these events?
21:10:13 <fabian_a> #info there seems to be an unknown event in the north of Germany 'Kieler Open Source und Linux Tage'
21:10:25 <fabian_a> #link http://www.kieler-linuxtage.de/
21:10:34 <gnokii> fabian_a: is not unknown
21:11:26 <fabian_a> gnokii: well, wasn't covered in the past ;-)
21:12:05 <gnokii> fabian_a: was asked to make it but its like Augsburg, just one day and a lot of train ride
21:12:18 <fabian_a> robyduck: not right now, there is still time
21:12:33 <robyduck> ok
21:13:05 <robyduck> #topic Open Floor
21:13:19 <robyduck> if you ahev anything else...now is the moment
21:13:26 <robyduck> I forgot one thing before
21:13:36 <gnokii> yes 2 left
21:13:44 <gnokii> 1.https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/election/2/ go vote
21:13:46 <robyduck> #info F21 wallpaper voting is still open: https://t.co/TAPNMzWS4H
21:13:51 <gnokii> haha
21:13:55 <robyduck> lol
21:14:12 <robyduck> and the other?
21:14:16 <MooDoo> I got my badge for that :d
21:14:23 * robyduck too
21:15:16 * MooDoo wants his mentor badge back :S
21:16:34 <robyduck> MooDoo: seriously? Wanna revert your stepping-down?
21:17:18 <jonar> gets my +1
21:17:19 <robyduck> gnokii: anything else? You said 2 left...
21:17:20 <MooDoo> robyduck: yeah
21:17:22 <gnokii> speaking about mentoring, what is with zoltan he sends me a lot of design requests
21:17:37 <MooDoo> robyduck: was a d**k stepping down lol
21:18:16 <gnokii> I am not really conviced to produce "download banners or posters"
21:18:19 <jonar> out of interest what is the criteria of becoming a mentor?
21:18:51 <gnokii> are such things used from you guys?
21:18:59 <MooDoo> jonar: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors/NewMentors
21:19:05 <jonar> moodoo, thanks
21:19:09 <robyduck> gnokii: no
21:19:59 <robyduck> MooDoo: a mentor can refile a ticket or I can bring it up as FAmSCo member. Let me know or ask a mentor ;)
21:20:13 <gnokii> if I get zoltan right, he wishes to "give" new ambassador something but from my perspective I would find it better Jirka sends a little bit swag with the shirt
21:20:25 <gnokii> and zoltan tells them how to get swag
21:20:32 <MooDoo> robyduck: if you don't mine, then can you bring it back up at the next FamSCo, which I'll attend :)
21:21:00 <robyduck> ok
21:21:10 <MooDoo> thanks :D
21:21:19 <robyduck> MooDoo: np
21:23:04 <gnokii> other opinions on download poster?
21:23:05 <robyduck> gnokii: AFAICS you are right, but I think it's not really related to this meeting, or?
21:23:28 <gnokii> robyduck: when me more ambassadors tell its needed I will do it
21:23:32 <robyduck> opinions for sure, they are important
21:23:46 <kmf> +1
21:24:20 <robyduck> gnokii: is it something like the USB station we have for Release Parties?
21:24:58 <gnokii> no he means general poster, for the release party we do all time an poster which can be used for creating a party poster
21:26:35 <robyduck> then we have already what we need IMHO
21:27:13 <gnokii> ok, just wanted to hear if others think an ambassador need such a thing
21:27:26 <robyduck> if there is nothing else, I'll close in 1 minute
21:27:52 <MooDoo> I'm happy fine with me
21:28:38 <robyduck> thanks to all for coming, see you in 2 weeks.
21:28:42 <robyduck> #endmeeting