06:01:49 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:01:49 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:01:50 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:50 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-07-09
06:01:59 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting now?
06:02:09 <juhp> hi
06:02:13 <epico> hi
06:02:46 <mfabian> HI!
06:02:48 <dueno> hi
06:03:34 <paragan> hi
06:05:21 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:05:25 <fujiwarat> hi
06:05:33 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:05:33 <tagoh_> #info 2014-07-22        Software String Freeze
06:05:33 <tagoh_> #info 2014-07-22        Alpha Change Deadline
06:05:34 <tagoh_> #info 2014-08-05        Alpha Release
06:05:35 <pravins> hi
06:06:57 <tagoh_> branching f21 from rawhide has been done. any changes needs to be applied on f21 branch from now.
06:08:32 <tagoh_> anything else we may need to follow up on the schedule ATM?
06:08:53 <randomuser> !
06:09:17 <juhp> f22 builds will probably start soon
06:09:20 <randomuser> i just wanted to drop an an obligatory reminder about release notes
06:09:44 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat?rd=Docs/Beats/I18n
06:10:08 <randomuser> you all do a great job with it, on every release, but I happened to be up just now so you get nagged anyway :)
06:10:51 <juhp> randomuser, thanks!
06:11:14 <randomuser> aand, it's on your agenda, even
06:11:26 <randomuser> thanks for indulging my interruption, bye for now
06:11:28 <tagoh_> randomuser: thanks. yep
06:11:30 <anish_> Hi
06:12:32 <juhp> (ausil told me earlier that a package review is blocking the rest of the move to f22 rawhide)
06:12:48 <juhp> or branched f21
06:13:19 <juhp> tagoh_, do we have any initial relnotes to put down?
06:13:56 <juhp> epico, I guess you can mention ibus-libzhuyin
06:14:06 <epico> juhp, sure
06:14:12 <epico> and wqy-microhei-fonts.
06:14:17 <juhp> ah yes
06:14:36 <tagoh_> juhp: afaik ibus one according to the last meeting. let me add some bullets
06:14:41 * epico will add them.
06:14:57 <juhp> tagoh_, great
06:15:49 <paragan> looks like packages are built now (fedora-release and fedora-repos) for F22
06:15:57 <juhp> aha
06:16:53 <juhp> paragan, ah yes - thanks for the heads-up!
06:17:09 <tagoh_> okay, anything else?
06:17:16 * juhp for hoping for another day ;)
06:17:42 <juhp> for = was
06:19:14 <tagoh_> let's move on then
06:19:19 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topic
06:19:20 <tagoh_> #info #30: review Workstation Technical Specification for i18n (petersen)
06:19:20 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/30
06:19:38 <tagoh_> do we need any further actions on this?
06:21:09 <juhp> I sent a mail to mclasen asking about the package list and wayland
06:21:30 <tagoh_> thanks
06:21:41 <anish_> i am reviewing default input methods for major languages
06:21:48 <juhp> oh I just committed "-imsetting*" to fedora-workstation-packages.ks
06:22:19 <juhp> hope that will fix bug 1116291
06:22:26 <tagoh_> I see. yep
06:23:39 <anish_> i think we should list of options and features each IME provides, that will help us to have uniform IME experience on desktop
06:23:50 <tagoh_> looking at g-s-d code, it seems not capable to change immodule for Qt though - always set to ibus.
06:24:24 <tagoh_> may need to follow up on the rel notes how to change IM on GNOME for f21 perhaps
06:25:25 <juhp> anish_, where and when you plan to publish it?
06:25:52 <juhp> tagoh_, maybe good
06:25:53 <anish_> i would like to add it on fedora or ibus wiki
06:26:11 <tagoh_> sounds good to me
06:27:19 <juhp> any comments from ibus developers here?
06:27:32 <fujiwarat> Previously ibus deleted the dependency of imsettings-gnome so I wonder imsettings-gsettings is needed on gnome.
06:29:24 <juhp> (also about the wiki docs :;)
06:29:29 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: as long as they have similar facilities, no, it's not.
06:30:13 <anish_> Previously, Allan Day had published some guidelines for input methods
06:30:22 <fujiwarat> tagoh_: workstation needs imsettings-gsettings?
06:30:41 <juhp> fujiwarat, no
06:30:50 <juhp> that is the point/conclusion on the bug
06:30:59 <fujiwarat> ok
06:31:17 <juhp> (I had misunderstand tagoh's earlier comment there)
06:31:31 <juhp> stood
06:31:43 <anish_> https://wiki.gnome.org/AllanDay/IMEGuidelines
06:32:07 <juhp> anish_, yeah we found then a bit restrictive
06:32:25 <mfabian> Yes, some of these are really too restrictive.
06:32:48 <mfabian> I added a "setup" to the ibus-table properties recently because that is really useful.
06:32:49 <tagoh_> juhp: it is just needed if one wants to install imsettings. otherwise immodule support can't be detected correctly as that bug.
06:32:52 <tagoh_> that's it
06:33:07 <juhp> tagoh_, right okay
06:33:25 <juhp> I just meant that it is not needed by default
06:33:28 <juhp> iiuc
06:33:35 <anish_> may be in next meeting we can discuss which items are restrictive and we can delete/modify to it
06:33:37 <tagoh_> right
06:33:58 <juhp> anish_, okay but first I thought you want to document the current IMEs?
06:34:13 <anish_> yeah i want to document that as well
06:34:31 <juhp> so let's see and review that first :)
06:34:56 <tagoh_> anish_: if the discussion take long time, maybe good to start on the list.
06:35:12 <fujiwarat> ok
06:35:21 <anish_> okay thanks!
06:36:01 <tagoh_> I was about to do the test day stuff that way, but... well, if any comments, follow up on the list but anyway!
06:37:15 <tagoh_> back to the topic, anything else?
06:40:35 <tagoh_> if not, will move on
06:41:27 <tagoh_> #topic New topic
06:41:27 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (tagoh)
06:41:27 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:42:16 <tagoh_> so it's time to write things there as usual for f21.
06:44:14 <tagoh_> at this moment, there are 3 things for i18n rel notes. two changes (lohit, libzhuyin) and ibus.
06:44:41 <anish_> not sure would be worth to mention or not, for hunspell dictionaries for Indian languages there are lot of changes,new suffix rules and new upstream as well
06:44:54 <tagoh_> ah, and one more, how to change IM?
06:45:27 <tagoh_> anish_: if that changes UX, we should mention it.
06:46:05 <anish_> tagoh_, its won't change UX as such
06:47:07 <tagoh_> anish_: well, basically we don't need to add such new upstream etc. that would be covered by techinical notes.
06:47:49 <anish_> aha thanks!
06:47:50 <juhp> but will it be picked up by technotes?
06:47:51 <pravins> tagoh_: might be we can mention about improvements as well?
06:48:14 <tagoh_> pravins: yes
06:49:38 <pravins> tagoh_: thanks
06:50:31 <tagoh_> once good to read the workflow on the release notes.
06:50:51 <tagoh_> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_workflow_-_beat_writing
06:51:00 <tagoh_> the above link is on the ticket too
06:52:34 <tagoh_> juhp: even if it is new package, it is.
06:53:12 <juhp> they're not though
06:54:22 <tagoh_> in that case it mentions "new" at the old version column.
06:54:34 <juhp> ah right I see
06:55:02 <juhp> okay
06:57:58 <tagoh_> well we still have some time to update. please update the wiki as needed.
06:58:22 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:58:37 <tagoh_> anything else we want to discuss on this meeting?
07:00:49 <tagoh_> if not, will close the meeting shortly
07:02:08 <tagoh_> okay, stop here then.
07:02:13 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:02:15 <tagoh_> #endmeeting