15:03:04 <roshi> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
15:03:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 30 15:03:04 2014 UTC.  The chair is roshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:03:15 <roshi> #meetingname fedora-qa
15:03:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
15:03:26 <roshi> ok, so who do we have?
15:03:32 <tflink> roshi: topic?
15:03:35 <roshi> also, anyone from docs is welcome to hang around :)
15:03:46 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
15:03:46 <randomuser> I'll hang around :)
15:03:56 * tflink is here
15:04:11 * roshi is here
15:04:12 * satellit listening
15:04:14 * kparal here
15:04:18 <roshi> #chair tflink kparal
15:04:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: kparal roshi tflink
15:04:37 * mkrizek lurks
15:05:19 * brunowolff is here
15:05:49 <roshi> welcome everyone! been a while since we've had one of these
15:05:54 <roshi> #topic Fedora 21 Status Updates
15:06:36 <roshi> the current blocker status: 8 Proposed blockers and 1 proposed FE
15:07:25 <roshi> last meeting we agreed to hold a blocker meeting if the count got much past 10
15:07:32 * satellit f21 seems to be working well atm
15:07:42 <roshi> any of those seem particularly troubling or need poking?
15:07:58 <roshi> my install has been working without fail, which is promising :)
15:08:16 * satellit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Rawhide_2014_06_Install#Live_image
15:08:33 <brunowolff> rc2 fixed some generic kernel problems on i686, but I have one machine that crashes during boot. I suspect a Nouveau issue, but am still trying to capture a full traceback.
15:08:57 <brunowolff> Otherwise things are working well on my rawhide machines.
15:09:09 <spstarr> hello
15:09:13 <roshi> thanks for doing all that testing satellit
15:09:17 * satellit boxes crashes in workstation
15:09:18 <roshi> hey spstarr :)
15:09:59 <spstarr> -rc2 is going well for me
15:10:16 <spstarr> 3.16.0-0.rc2.git2.2.fc21.x86_64
15:10:38 <roshi> good to hear
15:11:01 <spstarr> I am using the nondebug alt repo -rc3 should be coming soon
15:11:14 <roshi> foresee any issues?
15:11:40 <satellit> wireless in lives and boot.iso
15:11:57 <spstarr> I haven't noticed any, other than a known regression I've reported but this is a a non-blocker issue and likely nobody will notice much
15:12:48 <roshi> I know wireless in lives is being worked on, but we'll keep tracking it going forward
15:12:55 <spstarr> I had two random shutdowns, but it turned out the laptop was overheating and it promptly powered off... so its good to know that works :)
15:13:02 <roshi> haha
15:13:07 <roshi> that is good to know works
15:13:21 <roshi> the other thing we had for F21 status was test days
15:13:34 <roshi> I sent out a call for test days - didn't hear much back
15:13:40 <spstarr> Jun 28 18:38:23 segfault kernel: [62170.489258] thinkpad_acpi: THERMAL EMERGENCY: a sensor reports something is extremely hot!
15:13:50 <spstarr> so yes, so far 3.16-rc2 looks good :)
15:14:07 <roshi> talking to the different WG's and change owners, and I expect a couple more to be scheduled
15:14:20 <roshi> pschindl was also tracking down some possible test days going forward
15:14:28 <spstarr> what is the test plan for Fedora.next? is this on our wiki ?
15:14:31 * roshi likes the term "THERMAL EMERGENCY"
15:14:50 <spstarr> :)
15:14:51 <pschindl> unfortunately I didn't get to asking people, just few
15:15:03 <roshi> there's still time
15:15:38 <roshi> spstarr - we don't have a formal "test plan" like we had for F17 (iirc), but that might change going forward as we iron out the docs for each of the WG's
15:16:33 <spstarr> I see, so still early in process
15:16:54 <roshi> yeah - still figuring things out for fedora.next
15:17:19 <roshi> but, as we figure things out, it's a good time for suggestions for ways to improve our testing efforts if you have them :)
15:18:09 <roshi> #info We're open to suggestions for Fedora.next testing plans - please send them in
15:18:42 <roshi> we've kinda already covered rawhide testing - anything specific anyone wants to add?
15:19:21 <spstarr> im still waiting to see how the bits connect, with a new RoleKit being worked on etc
15:19:30 <spstarr> and how those tools will impact what level of testing we do
15:19:38 <spstarr> aside from the usual Anaconda blitz
15:19:45 <roshi> RoleKit?
15:20:44 <spstarr> rolekit D-Bus API v2
15:20:51 <spstarr> yeah on the server@ ML
15:20:52 <roshi> ah - ok, tracking now
15:21:12 * roshi has been in taskotron and cloud land recently - haven't been following server very closely
15:21:28 <spstarr> the various pieces for the 'turnkey' management of components
15:22:13 <roshi> time will tell how the bits connect
15:22:25 <roshi> the F21 retrospective  will be an interesting one :)
15:22:48 <roshi> well, moving onto Taskotron Discussion
15:22:56 <roshi> #topic Taskotron Discussion/Status
15:23:13 <tflink> The overall direction that we're taking hasn't changed recently
15:23:29 <tflink> still working towards a production deployment and replacing autoqa
15:23:56 <tflink> we are getting closer, though. I expect dev and stg deployments this week
15:24:23 <roshi> #info taskotron pushing towards production
15:25:18 <tflink> our current iteration is somewhat focused on getting the deployment done and rounding off some of the rough edges in terminology and user-facing activities
15:25:32 <roshi> sounds good
15:26:19 <roshi> the other thing brought up was bodhi2 integration
15:26:32 <roshi> foreseeing any issues with that going forward?
15:26:50 <tflink> no, not really
15:26:57 * roshi didn't think so
15:27:03 <tflink> more of that integration planning/work will probably happen around flock
15:27:35 <roshi> #info taskotron/bodhi integration planning to continue at/around flock
15:28:07 <roshi> the only thing we have before open floor is any Alpha Release related items people might have
15:28:29 <tflink> f21 branch is scheduled for a week from tomorrow
15:28:33 <roshi> #topic Alpha Release Items
15:29:20 <roshi> #info is scheduled a week from tomorrow (2014-07-01)
15:29:42 <roshi> anyone have anything else?
15:29:48 <roshi> if not we'll move to open floor
15:30:23 <tflink> roshi: that sounds like alpha release is scheduled for a week from tomorrow
15:30:36 <roshi> true
15:30:38 <spstarr> what sort of QA tasks does Taskotron do? automated installs ? or other things?
15:30:38 <roshi> #undo
15:30:39 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by roshi at 15:29:20 : is scheduled a week from tomorrow (2014-07-01)
15:30:59 <tflink> spstarr: for the moment, just the stuff autoqa does
15:31:13 * spstarr doesnt know heh i'll take a look on our wiki if its documented
15:31:38 <tflink> once we get to that point, fuctionality will expand but for the moment, we don't want to be supporting 2 different systems
15:31:39 <roshi> #info alpha release is schedule for 2014-07-08 - a week from tomorrow
15:31:47 <tflink> roshi: no, it's not
15:31:57 <roshi> #undo
15:31:57 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by roshi at 15:31:39 : alpha release is schedule for 2014-07-08 - a week from tomorrow
15:32:23 <tflink> f21 branch is a week from tomorrow
15:32:26 <roshi> I guess I'm still not as awake as I thought I was
15:32:36 <tflink> alpha release is currently scheduled for 2014-08-05
15:32:47 <roshi> #info F21 branch is schedule for 2014-07-08 - a week from tomorrow
15:33:02 <roshi> yeah - was typing and apparently not thinking :)
15:33:07 <tflink> freeze is currently scheduled for 2014-07-22
15:33:08 <roshi> thanks for the catch
15:33:14 <tflink> wait, who came up with this schedule?
15:33:26 <tflink> and why didn't I notice this before?
15:33:27 <roshi> not sure
15:33:34 <tflink> alpha release is scheduled for the day before flock?
15:33:42 <tflink> WTF?
15:33:58 <roshi> that doesn't seem prudent
15:34:09 <tflink> that's not going to end well
15:34:20 * tflink looks for conversation around this, thinks it came up before
15:34:20 <roshi> someone want to follow up on that?
15:37:08 <roshi> finding anything tflink?
15:39:45 <roshi> while we wait on that, let's move to open floor
15:39:51 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
15:40:32 <satellit> will a new july testing page be available (created)?
15:41:02 <roshi> for rawhide validation? I can make it
15:41:10 <satellit> thanks
15:41:22 <roshi> #action roshi to create july rawhide validation page on the wiki
15:41:51 <roshi> anybody have anything else?
15:42:27 <roshi> if not I'll set the fuse :)
15:42:38 <tflink> roshi: not at the moment, I'm adding a comment to the fesco planning ticket
15:42:48 <roshi> sounds good
15:43:30 * roshi sets the notional quantum fuse for 5 minutes
15:46:53 <roshi> going in 1...
15:47:59 <roshi> thanks for coming everyone!
15:48:14 <roshi> #endmeeting