15:00:10 <pknirsch> #startmeeting Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-06-06)
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15:00:17 <pknirsch> #meetingname  Fedora Base Design Working Group
15:00:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_base_design_working_group'
15:00:22 * masta is here
15:00:26 <pknirsch> Hello everyone :)
15:00:56 <pknirsch> #topic Roooollllcallll :)
15:01:03 <pknirsch> ok, so who we got today?
15:01:29 <pknirsch> #chair masta
15:01:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: masta pknirsch
15:01:34 <pknirsch> i see masta ofc :)
15:01:42 <masta> howdy
15:01:57 <masta> dgilmore: ping
15:02:07 <pknirsch> #chair jreznik dgilmore
15:02:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jreznik masta pknirsch
15:02:17 <pknirsch> seen both already, so no chance to hide! ;)
15:02:35 <dgilmore> hola
15:03:32 <jreznik> que tal?
15:03:37 <pknirsch> !
15:03:43 <pknirsch> alright, lets get started then
15:04:01 <pknirsch> weather here is fantastic, so ;)
15:04:26 <pknirsch> #topic Follow up / status update merge reviews
15:04:30 <masta> that is always a plus
15:04:46 <pknirsch> so first up, just a quick double check if there's any news on that front yet, or if we should even keep it on the agenda
15:04:52 * pknirsch nods at masta
15:05:32 <dgilmore> pknirsch: we need to just do it
15:05:41 <jwb> hi
15:05:45 <pknirsch> heya jwb :)
15:05:48 <jwb> sorry for being late
15:05:49 <pknirsch> #chair jwb
15:05:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jreznik jwb masta pknirsch
15:05:51 <pknirsch> no worries
15:06:22 <haraldh> <-
15:06:32 <pknirsch> #chair haraldh
15:06:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore haraldh jreznik jwb masta pknirsch
15:06:46 <pknirsch> o/ haraldh :)
15:06:54 <haraldh> \o
15:07:27 * pknirsch nods at dgilmore
15:07:53 <pknirsch> Thats why i was asking if we should even keep it on the agenda, not much use if it just needs to be done(tm) ;)
15:08:59 <dgilmore> pknirsch: take it off the meeting. schedule
15:09:12 <pknirsch> right-o, thought so as well.
15:09:54 <pknirsch> #info Follow up / status update merge reviews in progress, no need to keep it on weekly agenda though, so removing it
15:10:01 <pknirsch> next up
15:10:22 <pknirsch> #topic Update on janitorial tasks help
15:11:45 <pknirsch> I just wanted to give a quick update on that. I've been talking a bit with folks and been trying to juggle around and we're likely to get a helping hand in the next few weeks that should be able to help us on the tasks for the cleanup at least. Less talking, more doing :)
15:12:03 <dgilmore> okay
15:12:59 <haraldh> cool
15:13:07 <dgilmore> pknirsch: i know the Peter Robinson fixed up some specs that had Requires in the wrong place that was making the arm minimal images bigger than they should be
15:13:39 <pknirsch> But my plan is really to have someone more dedicated to work on that in the long run + formulate some FPC advice on what we'd like to have changed there in order to avoid future requires/buildrequires bloat
15:14:32 <jreznik> +1
15:14:33 <pknirsch> i should have a bit more time to do so now, thankfully, so i'll see to it over the next 1 or 2 weeks to draft that, then discuss it with you folks here and start working with the FPC once we're happy with the initial draft and refine it as needed and requested.
15:15:06 <pknirsch> As a one time cleanup won't help us in the long run.
15:15:38 <dgilmore> pknirsch: it needs to be an ongoing task
15:15:48 <pknirsch> dgilmore: yep, and i've had a few conversations as well with other maintainers to do a few cleanups, but time limited me to do more myself.
15:15:49 <dgilmore> we have had many one time cleanups in the past
15:15:52 <pknirsch> dgilmore: right
15:16:04 <haraldh> I have some more automated test ideas in my head
15:16:08 <masta> I've been looking at reducing the size of the kernel build root. for now I'm just trying to get rid of perl, and will see how that goes....
15:16:12 <pknirsch> thats what it needs to be part of the FPC and some automated checks
15:16:13 <haraldh> need to write them down
15:16:24 <pknirsch> cool, that would be awesome haraldh
15:16:32 <jreznik> would it possible to incorporate it in review server?
15:16:55 <pknirsch> masta: great, yea, looking at the cloud haraldh generated a while ago perl is one of the big blow-up parts
15:17:08 <pknirsch> jreznik: what do you mean?
15:17:27 <dgilmore> jreznik: if we rereview things maybe
15:17:28 <haraldh> pknirsch, probably not in size, but in package count
15:17:46 <jreznik> pknirsch: pingou is working on review server to automate package reviews and then we can have regular re-reviews as dgilmore pointed out
15:17:59 <dgilmore> jreznik: tests for extra deps should be done by automated qa in taskotron
15:18:05 * pknirsch nods
15:18:17 <jreznik> dgilmore: some parts are probably taskotron, some review time
15:18:24 <dgilmore> jreznik: sure
15:18:38 <dgilmore> jreznik: taskotron can tell us when things change
15:19:30 <jreznik> yep
15:19:33 <pknirsch> aye
15:22:26 <pknirsch> #info pknirsch going to write FPC draft for requires/buildrequires to be discussed in meeting first, then presented to FPC and refined based on feedback.
15:22:54 <pknirsch> #info masta looking into perl cleanup (due to kernel dep on it), in progress
15:23:20 <pknirsch> #info haraldh working on automated test ideas, will document and as potential taskotron tasks
15:24:09 <pknirsch> #info other parts potential candidates for review server written by pingou
15:24:19 * pingou ducks
15:24:22 <pknirsch> Oki, i hope i captured that :)
15:24:32 <pknirsch> hehe, no worries pingou
15:24:44 <pingou> pknirsch: too late for that ;-)
15:24:50 <pknirsch> hehehe
15:25:38 <pknirsch> alright, anything more on the cleanup?
15:26:40 <pknirsch> ok, if not, lets do a quick open floor then
15:26:44 <pknirsch> #topic Open Floor
15:26:56 <pknirsch> anyone got anything else to discuss today?
15:27:09 <notting> not i
15:27:16 <pknirsch> oh hey bill :)
15:27:21 <pknirsch> #chair notting
15:27:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore haraldh jreznik jwb masta notting pknirsch
15:27:23 <pknirsch> :)
15:27:29 <jreznik> dgilmore: how does it look like with mass rebuild? everything all set for today?
15:34:28 <dgilmore> jreznik: yeah
15:34:53 <dgilmore> jreznik: pingou fixed the mass bug filing script to attache logs
15:34:56 <dgilmore> attach
15:35:07 <pingou> (and hopefully correctly)
15:35:08 <dgilmore> mass rebuild is ready to be kicked off
15:35:15 <pknirsch> woot!
15:35:16 <jreznik> great, thanks guys!
15:35:38 <dgilmore> still need to look at the reporting generation scripts
15:35:38 <pknirsch> ok, if nothing else, lets close for today. Thanks everyone and have a fantastic weekend!
15:35:55 <haraldh> thx, u2
15:36:31 <dgilmore> jreznik: we have more builders this time, I am hoping to do the rebuild in 36 hours
15:36:49 <dgilmore> nothing else from here
15:37:01 <jreznik> 36? wow
15:38:16 <pknirsch> #endmeeting