04:00:19 <tuanta> #startmeeting
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04:00:32 <tuanta> #meetingname apac 20140426
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04:00:51 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:01:08 <tuanta> .hellomynameis tuanta
04:01:09 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:01:38 <mpduty> .fas mohanprakash
04:01:40 <zodbot> mpduty: mohanprakash 'mohan prakash' <mpduty@gmail.com>
04:03:46 <tuanta> ping zsun
04:03:51 <zsun> here
04:03:59 <zsun> .fasinfo zsun
04:04:00 <zodbot> zsun: User: zsun, Name: Zamir SUN, email: sztsian@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-02-02, IRC Nick: zsun, Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:04:03 <zodbot> zsun: Approved Groups: ambassadors cvsl10n openshift-origin cla_done cla_fpca
04:04:04 <tuanta> #chair mpduty zsun
04:04:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: mpduty tuanta zsun
04:04:16 <tuanta> any topic today?
04:04:20 <tuanta> I just one
04:04:39 <zsun> I have question from FUDCon
04:04:43 <tuanta> #info Topic: Final APAC Budget Plan in FY2015
04:04:58 <tuanta> #info Topic: FUDCon Beijing 2014
04:05:02 <tuanta> anything else?
04:05:22 <mpduty> ticket 124
04:05:39 * tuanta looking for
04:05:45 <mpduty> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/124
04:06:12 <tuanta> #info Topic: Ticket #124
04:06:17 <tuanta> ok, lets go
04:06:27 <tuanta> #topic Final APAC Budget Plan in FY2015
04:06:37 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
04:06:47 <tuanta> I have just sent it over the Ambassadors mailing list
04:07:01 <tuanta> that is budget plan in FY2015
04:07:22 <tuanta> our allocated fund is $12,650
04:07:58 <tuanta> #info Total allocated fund for APAC Ambassadors in FY2015 is $12,650
04:08:34 <tuanta> #info If we need more, we have to ask from Ruth and OSAS
04:09:20 <mpduty> have you allocated some for unplanned events?
04:09:23 <tuanta> due to lower allocation (less than our first plan), we have to cut some events/activities
04:09:42 <tuanta> and there is no fund for all unscheduled events/activities
04:10:17 <tuanta> mpduty, even fund for planned events/activities have been cut
04:10:19 <tuanta> sorry
04:10:33 <mpduty> I understand
04:11:02 <zsun> understand..
04:11:04 <tuanta> but if once an unscheduled request comes, we will need to ask Ruth and OSAS for more money
04:11:16 <tuanta> any more questions?
04:11:41 <mpduty> seems then there wont be any event this year in India?
04:11:46 <tuanta> we can ask, any time. but we will need to wait for their responses
04:11:52 <tuanta> yes, mpduty
04:12:23 <tuanta> unfortunately, I got no response from India when I called for planning on January
04:12:51 <mpduty> yes some feel it is difficult to plan ahead
04:12:57 <tuanta> seems no active ambassadors in India now (or they do not need fund)
04:13:12 <tuanta> yes, but we have to do that
04:13:26 <tuanta> that's sponsor policies
04:13:45 <tuanta> It would be improved year to year
04:13:50 <mpduty> I had just joined Fedora in January, it took some time to understand things
04:13:59 <tuanta> now, EMEA and LATAM have done this well
04:14:17 <tuanta> just APAC has not :(
04:14:33 <mpduty> but in 2011 things were different
04:14:38 <tuanta> seems people in APAC don't like planning :)
04:14:49 <zsun> well, maybe.
04:15:05 <tuanta> yes, we have started planning annually since 2012
04:15:07 <zsun> we need to improve little by little then:)
04:15:12 <tuanta> EMEA and LATAM did that before
04:15:37 <mpduty> what can I do to improve this?
04:15:58 <tuanta> I plan for a FAD at the end of this year to do plan together
04:16:10 <tuanta> maybe in Phnom Penh, Cambodia
04:16:35 <tuanta> Two new ambassadors there are willing to do it
04:17:11 <tuanta> in ideal world, we have an active ambassador in each country
04:17:33 <zsun> at least one, I think. but not sure for India
04:17:49 <tuanta> they would make country plan, and we can mix them, send more people to attend regional events/activities
04:18:18 <tuanta> the whole plan with estimated costs
04:18:32 <tuanta> then we will ask OSAS for fund
04:18:41 <tuanta> that what EMEA did well
04:19:00 <tuanta> the plan would be more feasible
04:19:09 <mpduty> tuanta, I am in India, what can I do to improve the situation?
04:19:29 <tuanta> I know India is a big country
04:19:38 <tuanta> you can not do all alone
04:20:02 <tuanta> firstly, I think, you should connect all other Fedora contributors
04:20:32 <mpduty> ok
04:20:35 <tuanta> Fedora and FOSS community work in meritocracy model
04:20:52 <tuanta> person who work well will take lead
04:21:33 <zsun> do you have regular IRC meetings for Fedora in India, if so, you can talk with them during meetings and try to keep connect with others well
04:21:36 <tuanta> it does not depends on how long do you participate in
04:21:51 <tuanta> +1 zsun
04:21:59 <mpduty> No there are no such meetings here
04:22:17 <tuanta> mpduty, you can arrange it
04:22:31 <zsun> yes. arrange regular discussion can help
04:22:58 <tuanta> ok, we can continue this discussion in Open floor
04:23:05 <zsun> okay.
04:23:08 <tuanta> now we should go to the next topic
04:23:13 <mpduty> ok
04:23:17 <kushal> Yes, mostly we do not need fund for local events
04:23:19 <tuanta> #topic FUDCon Beijing 2014
04:23:23 <kushal> ah
04:23:34 <zsun> thanks tuanta.
04:23:47 <zsun> I've have two questions here.
04:24:10 <zsun> #info workflow to have other expense reimbursed for FUDCon since it is a lot for local to pay first
04:24:19 <tuanta> yes, hope I can help you :)
04:24:40 <zsun> #info how other fedora community/FUDCon/FLOCK manage finacial sponsorship or offer receipts for sponsorship, especially how Red Hat was involved
04:25:15 <tuanta> I think Ruth answered the 1st question
04:26:01 <tuanta> organizing team need to pay it all and give receipts for reimbursement
04:26:24 <tuanta> I know it is a big amount of money
04:26:54 <zsun> for the first one, I just want to make sure that it will follow the APAC reimbursement way?
04:27:04 <tuanta> so if you (organizing team) can not cover all expenses, you should ask Ruth to pay for some of those
04:27:19 <kushal> zsun, that was one big reason we did not want to have another fudcon unless someone has enough funds
04:27:28 <tuanta> zsun, it is similar but not exact that
04:28:09 <tuanta> sorry, but I am really not sure
04:28:17 <tuanta> you need to ask Ruth for this
04:28:32 <tuanta> you can also discuss with KageSenshi
04:28:50 <zsun> tuanta:  I mean,  we will follow the FUDCon workflow, and then get reimbursement via APAC cc holder?
04:28:52 <tuanta> he was the main organizer in FUDCon KL 2012
04:29:14 <zsun> oh, thanks for your info . I can contact with Kage Senshi later.
04:29:20 <tuanta> no, APAC cc holder can not involve due by his credit card limit
04:29:30 <zsun> kushal: thank you.
04:29:43 <tuanta> these expenses should be paid directly by OSAS
04:29:55 <tuanta> I suggest you:
04:30:13 <tuanta> you should break down all your expense as detailed as possible
04:30:27 <zsun> a question here: what does OSAS stands for
04:30:43 <tuanta> then identify which one(s) could be paid by credit card, PayPal, etc.
04:31:11 <zsun> tuanta:  okay. We are breaking down that little by little. Alick is doing this
04:31:19 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:OSAS
04:31:31 <zsun> thanks for the link
04:31:34 <tuanta> currently, OSAS == Ruth
04:31:45 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:31:45 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:32:14 <zsun> okay
04:32:14 <tuanta> then you should ask Ruth for paying for those expense (which can be paid by CC)
04:32:21 <tuanta> that way would help you much
04:32:34 <zsun> okay. Thank you.
04:32:37 <tuanta> you do not need to spend all by your pocket money
04:32:47 <tuanta> does it make sense?
04:32:56 <zsun> yes. it is clear now.
04:33:41 <tuanta> I meant, if you need to spend $8,000-$10,000 by your pocket, you much be a rich man :)
04:34:01 <tuanta> you should break it down and ask Ruth to pay for some of those expenses
04:34:08 <zsun> Well, we  do not have that amount since most of us are students here.
04:34:11 <zsun> okay.
04:34:23 <zsun> I think my questions are all solved now.
04:34:25 <zsun> and for the second one,  as you said, I can ask Kage Senshi later
04:34:38 <tuanta> yes, he is a nice man
04:35:13 <zsun> then in my opinion, we can continue to other topics now;-)
04:35:14 <tuanta> you can catch him at #fedora-apac in working hours
04:35:27 <zsun> wooo, okay.
04:35:37 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #124
04:35:45 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/124
04:35:54 <tuanta> mpduty, it's yours
04:35:58 <mpduty> yes
04:36:07 <mpduty> I just wanted some swag as samples so that I may produce some myself
04:36:24 <mpduty> is it possible to ship some, I shall pay for shipping
04:36:30 <tuanta> ah, kushal is mentor in India
04:36:38 <mpduty> he is my mentor
04:36:48 <kushal> mpduty, Can you come down to durgapur?
04:36:59 <mpduty> I may send someone
04:37:11 <tuanta> cool, you shose a right person, mpduty
04:37:23 <kushal> mpduty, ok. or I will try to pass some samples
04:37:30 <mpduty> yes please
04:38:00 <kushal> mpduty, once again, in India we ask people to join other parts of the project first
04:38:11 <mpduty> yes I know
04:38:23 <tuanta> kushal and mpduty: there is a bad situation in India now, AFAICS
04:38:25 <mpduty> I have been sponsored in CVS commit group
04:38:32 <tuanta> you both should re-organize the team there
04:38:58 <tuanta> a lot of people, but just a few active
04:39:01 <kushal> tuanta, actually it is not that bad, we have less number but saner people
04:39:23 <mpduty> kushal, I am working hard, I have been sponsored in CVS commit and fedora apprentice groups
04:39:25 <kushal> tuanta, everyone  I know is active in upstream projects
04:39:33 <kushal> mpduty, ok
04:39:35 <tuanta> cool
04:39:38 <zsun> kushal: cool
04:39:54 <kushal> tuanta, the thing is we do not do road shows like some other FOSS projects
04:40:11 <tuanta> it is a good idea
04:40:25 <kushal> so we are only visible in actual community events
04:40:34 <kushal> so that we do not waste any money
04:41:28 <kushal> tuanta, and people are still trying to become ambassadors as it looks cool in their resume.
04:41:30 <kushal> :)
04:41:36 <tuanta> :)
04:41:47 <mpduty> kushal, but I believe people must know about Fedora
04:41:48 <mpduty> specially in India
04:41:55 <kushal> mpduty, they do
04:42:25 <kushal> mpduty, you just have to come down to a devel event in any part of India
04:42:39 <mpduty> It is not about resume, at least not for me, I am a social activist
04:42:57 <kushal> mpduty, that like was a generalization
04:43:03 <kushal> s/like/line
04:43:31 <mpduty> I wanted to popularize Fedora as it can free people from Windows
04:44:13 <kushal> mpduty, See, you should read about different lugs in India and their activities in last 14 years
04:44:20 <kushal> mpduty, you will get an real idea
04:44:29 <mpduty> kushal, Ok
04:44:33 <kushal> and issues which still exists
04:44:47 <kushal> anyway we can discuss this after meeting
04:44:56 <mpduty> yes I shall do that
04:45:16 <mpduty> ok
04:45:17 <tuanta> so complicated :)
04:45:26 <tuanta> similar here :)
04:45:45 <tuanta> so, next topic?
04:46:04 <kushal> tuanta, go ahead
04:46:15 <tuanta> #topic Open floor
04:46:23 <tuanta> anything welcome
04:46:40 <tuanta> #chair kushal
04:46:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: kushal mpduty tuanta zsun
04:46:54 <tuanta> kushal, mpduty zsun: have you got anything to discuss to day
04:47:32 <zsun> one question again, What is Kage Senshi's IRC nick/fedora email?
04:47:34 <kushal> tuanta, I don't, as you mentioned in my ticket I will try to contact Ruth.
04:48:06 <tuanta> his IRC nick is KageSenshi
04:48:21 <zsun> okay.
04:48:40 <tuanta> his Fedora profile here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Izhar
04:49:05 <tuanta> so his email address should be Izhar@fp.o
04:49:15 <zsun> get it. thanks
04:49:42 <tuanta> anything else today/
04:49:51 <zsun> nothing from my side
04:50:00 <mpduty> nothing here
04:50:00 <tuanta> I will end the meeting in next a minute
04:50:22 <tuanta> thank you all for coming today
04:50:24 <tuanta> #endmeeting