01:01:50 <dan408_> #startmeeting FAmNA
01:01:50 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 19 01:01:50 2014 UTC.  The chair is dan408_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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01:01:58 <dan408_> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:02:04 <dan408_> #topic Roll Call
01:02:11 <award3535> present
01:02:18 <nb> semi-present
01:02:21 <dan408_> #chair rbergeron Southern_Gentlem award3535 masta nb
01:02:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408_ masta nb rbergeron
01:02:22 <nb> .hellomynameis nb
01:02:24 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
01:03:36 <Jsandys> Jeff Sandys back in Seattle
01:03:47 <dan408_> #chair Jsandys
01:03:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jsandys Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408_ masta nb rbergeron
01:04:18 <dan408_> #topic Announcements
01:04:21 <dan408_> announcements anyone?
01:04:33 <award3535> is on vacation in vegas, but still hear
01:04:56 <award3535> ooops here
01:05:06 <award3535> nothing yet from me
01:05:34 <award3535> evening inode0
01:05:44 <inode0> hi
01:06:26 <dan408_> #chair inode0
01:06:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jsandys Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408_ inode0 masta nb rbergeron
01:07:17 <dan408_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:07:24 <dan408_> #topic Tickets
01:08:02 <dan408_> .famnaticket 68
01:08:03 <zodbot> dan408_: #68 (FAmNA Meeting Organization) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/68
01:08:11 <dan408_> masta: ping
01:08:53 <dan408_> so does anyone have any updates for this ticket?
01:09:12 <dan408_> there was an action item pending on masta
01:09:42 <award3535> I like the idea of a conf call
01:10:01 <dan408_> award3535: was it you or wrnash1 that offered a conf line?
01:10:19 <award3535> wrnash1 offered
01:10:32 <dan408_> k
01:10:35 <dan408_> he was here but disappaered
01:10:50 * ParadoxGuitarist ambles in.
01:10:59 <award3535> sometimes its better to here a voice and put that voice to a name and personnality
01:11:13 <inode0> I imagine Red Hat could provide one as well
01:11:19 <dan408_> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
01:11:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jsandys ParadoxGuitarist Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408_ inode0 masta nb rbergeron
01:12:07 <dan408_> award3535: I agree I think the conf call is a good idea and would be a good way to change the monotony
01:12:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
01:13:07 <award3535> but with conf calls we need to set up some protocols and edicut
01:13:18 <inode0> another way would be to have people do something other than talk ...
01:13:29 <dan408_> inode0: what do you mean?
01:13:57 <inode0> meetings in any form will be boring if they are all talk
01:14:29 <inode0> when was the last time anyone actually went out and arranged something new for swag?
01:14:54 <dan408_> we talked about shirts 2 meetings ago or so
01:14:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> We should have pizza delivered to every member.
01:15:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> Weren't we going to have a design the next fedora t-shirt contest?
01:15:27 <dan408_> yes that was proposed
01:15:43 <dan408_> but i havent seen any action on it
01:15:58 <award3535> last meeting I attended thought the contest was already rolling
01:16:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> what has to be done to get that going?
01:16:12 <dan408_> award3535: really? link?
01:16:56 <award3535> dont remember, I thought someone else was already contacting the graphics folks
01:17:28 <dan408_> yeah i dont see anything on google
01:17:54 <dan408_> ill create a new ticket
01:17:56 <award3535> hmmm
01:19:50 <dan408_> ok ticket created
01:19:52 <award3535> I dont have the last few meetings the PC I am traveling with is not the same one I use for the meets
01:20:29 <inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_meetings?rd=Ambassadors/Meetings#2014
01:20:29 <dan408_> inode0: the idea of having the meeting on a conf call is not really to make things more exciting but to make things run a little quicker, and see if we can get ideas flowing better
01:20:34 <inode0> handy link to them all
01:21:00 <award3535> inode0 ty
01:21:09 <inode0> dan408_: I'm on board with doing that - they are much higher bandwidth
01:21:19 <dan408_> yep
01:21:34 <Jsandys> But someone will need to take minutes
01:21:35 <inode0> unless everyone talks at once :)
01:21:58 <dan408_> i asked masta to talk with Jiri to see if we can maybe get RHEL entitlements and training discounts for Ambassadors as well
01:22:05 <award3535> that is why meeting edicut must be followed
01:22:14 <dan408_> award3535: etiquette*
01:22:14 <award3535> logs and actions
01:22:21 <dan408_> award3535: don't worry about that
01:22:26 <award3535> dan408 ty
01:22:30 <dan408_> i'll handle the conf call stuff
01:22:36 <dan408_> we'll do the meeting simultaneously on IRC and phone
01:22:53 <award3535> even better I really like that
01:23:04 <dan408_> speaking of masta, that brings up another major problem: ATTENDANCE
01:23:27 <dan408_> so nothing against him, I'm just using him as an example right now
01:23:37 <award3535> I am usually here, but have been out on vacation, and still have another week on the road
01:23:59 <dan408_> so he either forgot, or is busy working, which is why he's not at this meeting
01:23:59 <inode0> there isn't much reason to come unless stuff is happening that you care about
01:24:27 <dan408_> inode0: Well, he's in Famsco now so I would think he has even more of a vested interest than normal
01:24:55 <inode0> the normal routine is once in famsco never again at famna meetings if history repeats itself
01:25:04 <dan408_> neat.
01:25:14 <dan408_> he was here last week
01:25:38 <dan408_> my point was, (and I've been saying this for a while) is that this tuesday at 6PM/9PM isnt working
01:25:57 <dan408_> I would like to try a Friday, Saturday or Sunday
01:26:00 <inode0> it isn't working for me but it isn't working because none of us are doing anything
01:26:22 <inode0> I'm fine with moving it too
01:26:47 <award3535> weekends I am not available, second job
01:26:48 <dan408_> inode0: So I think that if we just change things, maybe they will slowly start to pick up
01:26:56 <dan408_> award3535: how about Fridays?
01:27:03 <award3535> friday is ok
01:27:17 <dan408_> I know for a fact everyone goes home early on Fridays
01:27:18 <inode0> in fact, I think we are at a place where anyone who wants to can just say the new meetings are at X - of course that will make them mostly your responsibility for a while
01:27:22 <Jsandys> -1 friday
01:27:41 <dan408_> Jsandys: why cant you do fridays?
01:27:57 <dan408_> not that it's my business
01:28:01 <inode0> some of us are beat by Friday
01:28:02 <Jsandys> I do other things on friday
01:28:09 <dan408_> okay
01:28:10 <dan408_> look
01:28:16 <Jsandys> if it is eary I could attend
01:28:22 <inode0> the only good time is now :-)
01:28:29 <dan408_> Jsandys: Yes I was thinking early on friday
01:28:39 <Jsandys> I have had a conflict on tuesday and quit that group.
01:29:05 <dan408_> i'll come up with 3 times and send it to the list for a vote, and we'll re-vote on it next week if no one replies on the email list
01:29:14 <award3535> monday, tuesday, wednesday and fridays are good for me
01:29:15 <dan408_> #action dan408 to come up with 3 times and propose them for a vote
01:29:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> Fridays are date night for me =(
01:29:30 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: Like I said, early on friday
01:29:44 <inode0> what do you mean by early?
01:29:50 <dan408_> early afternoon
01:29:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm at work
01:30:00 <award3535> how early, too early I am still at work here on the east coast
01:30:15 <dan408_> how does 4PM PST/7PM EST sound?
01:30:21 <dan408_> or 3PM PST/6PM EST?
01:30:40 <award3535> either time works for me 6 or 7 est
01:30:47 <dan408_> good that's one +1
01:30:52 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist?
01:30:56 <dan408_> Jsandys ?
01:31:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> No
01:31:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> I work till 5
01:31:23 <Jsandys> sound too early,
01:31:24 <inode0> the west coast doesn't like 6pm for a reason and we'll find other places don't like it any better
01:31:43 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: I'm at work right now. You can't IRC from work?
01:31:49 <inode0> but seriously, someone just pick a time and announce it
01:31:51 <Jsandys> but with IRC on my android, i can do almost any time
01:31:52 <inode0> we'll try it
01:31:55 <dan408_> k
01:32:02 <inode0> voting and arguing is pointless
01:32:02 <dan408_> i'll do it
01:32:23 <dan408_> i was just trying to get a rough conensus
01:32:30 <dan408_> but obviously that's impossible
01:32:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> you're always going to have people that won't make it
01:32:51 * masta looks in
01:32:55 <Jsandys> ditto
01:32:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> I thought there was a site called worksforme
01:33:04 <award3535> I agree, I can alwasy read logs and email items
01:33:07 <dan408_> it's whattimeisgood
01:33:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> that's it
01:33:22 <dan408_> award3535: the thing is we want participation
01:33:26 <inode0> we can do the big vote thing and end up at 9eastern on Tuesdays again :)
01:33:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> just do that and pick what looks best
01:33:41 <dan408_> inode0: yeah, which would suck
01:33:48 <dan408_> ok moving on
01:33:54 <dan408_> oh
01:33:55 <award3535> dan408 I agree, but if for some reason I could read and go....
01:33:55 <masta> hehe...
01:33:59 <dan408_> masta: did you get a chance to talk to Jiri?
01:34:07 <masta> once in famsco, never in famna... lulz
01:34:27 * inode0 can name names
01:34:27 <masta> I do try to make all my meetings
01:34:39 <dan408_> inode0: no need
01:34:41 <dan408_> masta: did you get a chance to talk to Jiri?
01:34:45 <masta> though always fashionably late
01:35:16 <masta> dan408_: actually I forgot all about that, sry... but tell ya what.. I'll informally discuss with him outside of our normal meeting.
01:35:26 <dan408_> masta: please
01:35:29 <masta> (once he wakes up)
01:35:43 <dan408_> .famnaticket 71
01:35:45 <zodbot> dan408_: #71 (Event Box Upgrades-Update) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/71
01:36:04 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: were you able to find any information on the other 2 boxes?
01:36:07 <masta> I'm sure we can find ways to incentive active ambassadors
01:36:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> I tried contacting Southern_Gentlem but didn't get a response, but that was only once
01:36:37 <dan408_> masta: that is famsco's job right now as far as FAmNA is concerned
01:36:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> and only through IRC
01:36:45 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: I saw him online earlier today
01:36:54 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: You have to catch him super early in the morning
01:36:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> I thought he was chaired in the meeting
01:37:02 <dan408_> nb: Do you have one of the event box?
01:37:11 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: I automatically chair him. Doesn't mean he's here
01:37:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> got it
01:37:55 <dan408_> inode0: Do you know what the status of the 2 non west coast event boxes is by chance?
01:37:58 <nb> no
01:38:11 <dan408_> nb: Do you know who has what box? The west coast box is accounted for
01:38:20 <masta> I think Southern_Gentlem's box was returned to him, it was trapped in Boston for half a year (never again)
01:38:20 <nb> dan408_, chanchito has/had the east coast one
01:38:26 <dan408_> That's what I thought
01:38:28 <nb> ben has the central one
01:38:33 <dan408_> thanks
01:38:37 <nb> idk if the east coast one got back to ben or not
01:38:54 <masta> oh so he might have both boxes
01:39:27 <masta> I'd be fine hosting the central box fyi
01:39:37 <masta> (if it needs a home)
01:39:49 <dan408_> so did we get the east coast box out of chanchitos hands then?
01:39:50 <inode0> dan408_: I don't need to name names because it has been every single member of famsco from famna in the past :)
01:40:01 <dan408_> inode0: :)
01:40:05 <award3535> I can also host an east coast box as well
01:40:26 <dan408_> i think nb should have a box (if he wants it)
01:40:26 <masta> inode0: sounds like a challenge... break the pattern =)
01:40:40 <dan408_> seeing that he's one of our main shippers
01:40:45 <dan408_> and is reliable
01:40:51 <award3535> +1
01:41:00 <masta> dan408_: well I want to distribute the duties as much as we can, nb does alot already
01:41:00 * nb would not mind having my box back
01:41:22 <nb> i used to have one, but it got sent to ben when the east coast one was away
01:41:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> well that settles it for me
01:41:22 <dan408_> nb: could you please get in contact with Ben?
01:41:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
01:41:24 <nb> yeah
01:41:33 <award3535> +1
01:41:35 <masta> nb: you will get your box back, but plz let me know if it ever becomes a burden
01:41:42 <nb> masta, ok
01:41:47 <dan408_> #action nb to get in contact with Southern_Gentlem and take ownership of an eventbox
01:42:07 <dan408_> i think masta should have the other box
01:42:19 <nb> dan408_, then there would not be an east coast one......
01:42:25 <nb> both of us are in central
01:42:25 <dan408_> oh im sorry
01:42:31 <masta> dan408_: I'm centrally located, so ... it goes to me or nb
01:42:32 <dan408_> I thought you were on the east coast nb
01:42:45 <dan408_> okay let's central with nb, and east with Ben
01:42:55 <masta> +1
01:43:05 <inode0> Indiana might as well be the east coast to real midwesterners
01:43:20 <award3535> I used the east box for the last one
01:43:28 <dan408_> #agreed West Coast box - ParadoxGuitarist, Central box - nb, East Coast box - Southern_Gentlem
01:43:28 <award3535> in Indiana
01:43:30 <masta> ben and nick are great hosts for the boxen... not so sure about the west coast hosts
01:43:40 * masta hides
01:44:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> laugh it up fuzzball
01:44:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> =)
01:44:16 <dan408_> I would just like to see Southern_Gentlem online more often
01:44:49 <masta> I really do think that ParadoxGuitarist's notion is good.... at least once a year somebody should audit and improve the boxes
01:45:09 <award3535> +1!
01:45:24 <masta> either all the box hosts get together and sync, or the boxes ship to somebody and are made happy.... whatever
01:45:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> yay
01:45:48 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: Well I don't really think there is much more to this ticket. If you need something for your box, feel free to ask. But nb and Southern_Gentlem are more than capable of handling their boxes.
01:46:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> Sounds good to me
01:46:04 <dan408_> ok closing this one out
01:46:08 <award3535> +1
01:46:13 <masta> awesome
01:46:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll email them to see if all have ideas and can benefit from one another
01:46:29 <masta> we done with tickets yet?
01:46:50 <dan408_> almost
01:46:54 <inode0> thinking about anything new for events is great
01:47:05 <masta> +1
01:47:10 <dan408_> .famnaticket 72
01:47:11 <zodbot> dan408_: #72 (LFNW 2014 Budget) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/72
01:47:19 <Jsandys> Joe Brockmeier of Red Hat wants to split the gold ($2000) sponsorship.
01:47:23 <dan408_> Jsandys: Were you able to contact Rbergeron?
01:47:40 <Jsandys> Yes this came from Robyn
01:47:57 <dan408_> Jsandys: He wants to split the gold sponsorship with who?
01:48:14 <Jsandys> Red Hat and Fedora
01:48:21 <dan408_> ok
01:48:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> That sounds like a win to me
01:48:29 <award3535> +1
01:48:30 <masta> this is an important event, is where "why linux sucks" talks are held
01:48:38 <Jsandys> Red Hat is currently listed as a gold sponsor, silver and bronze are sold out according to the NFNW site.
01:48:46 <inode0> well, if that means share the booth I have reservations
01:48:57 <masta> sold out! wtf
01:49:08 <masta> I do not accept that statement
01:49:08 <award3535> busy platform
01:49:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> Well let's jump on it then
01:49:40 <inode0> two golds look rather better to me than one platinum
01:49:40 <Jsandys> 10 foot table, we can put a tape down the middle like a dorm room
01:50:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 inode0
01:50:28 <inode0> or we can run our own booth and stand on our own feet
01:50:58 <award3535> what is the gold price
01:51:19 <dan408_> inode0: So I'm not familiar with teh whole funding proces.. do we just cc suehle on this ticket for the $?
01:51:20 <inode0> sounds like we are being asked to kick $1k either way
01:51:20 <Jsandys> OK I'll inquire about gold and work with Joe
01:51:25 <award3535> nevermind just found it
01:51:36 <award3535> 2000 is gold
01:51:48 <inode0> not according to the ticket
01:52:49 <dan408_> anyways
01:52:51 <award3535> oops, that is platinum
01:52:58 <dan408_> Jsandys it's on you to figure it out
01:53:04 <Jsandys> sorry gold = 1000 is sold out,
01:53:15 <Jsandys> platinum is 2k
01:53:23 <Jsandys> and available
01:53:28 <award3535> wow, you would figure they would make room
01:53:34 <dan408_> Fedora as a platinum and Red Hat as a gold. That would be funny
01:53:58 <inode0> tell them we'll give them $1000 to make it not sold out again - why would they turn us down? they would rather have $500?
01:54:41 <Jsandys> bronze = 500 is also sold out
01:54:52 <inode0> well, if they won't give us anything as a long time sponsor of this event I don't know what to say
01:55:07 <dan408_> inode0: Platinum is available.
01:55:12 <dan408_> inode0: Red Hat offered to pay half
01:55:19 <dan408_> inode0: I think this is a win
01:55:52 <award3535> that would sound great to me, sharing a plat table with Red Hat
01:55:52 <inode0> I don't understand what Joe is offering
01:55:58 <dan408_> so I'm +1 for platinum
01:56:08 <award3535> +1
01:56:11 <dan408_> inode0: He's offering to pay 50% of $2000
01:56:33 <masta> ok guys, got to run... (read the logs later) bye
01:56:36 <inode0> for what though? sharing the booth? giving us that booth and Red Hat using another?
01:56:48 <dan408_> inode0: Fedora would get their own booth
01:57:02 <Jsandys> I'll work with Joe and LFNW organizers and get us a separate booth if possible.
01:57:12 <award3535> even better, plat for half
01:57:16 <award3535> +1
01:57:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
01:57:29 <dan408_> +1
01:57:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> this is a no brainer
01:57:46 <inode0> well, if you think budget works like that I guess
01:58:15 <dan408_> #agreed Fedora will split 50% of the cost with RH to become a Platinum sponsor of LFNW
01:58:16 <inode0> I'm happier if Fedora has its own space regardless of the rest of it
01:58:25 <dan408_> inode0: We'll run it by suehle and see if there are any issues
01:58:44 <inode0> I don't think anyone has budget for next year yet so who knows
01:58:55 <Jsandys> Robyn says: As a general rule of thumb - I always think that whatever the Ambassadors want to do is best :)
01:59:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> lol
01:59:16 <award3535> too bad I cant go, that sounds like fun
01:59:51 <dan408_> #topic Open Floor
01:59:53 <award3535> go to leave, will see everyone next week....
02:00:12 <award3535> have a good evening everyone....
02:00:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> bye
02:00:17 <inode0> everyone who goes to lfnw seems to enjoy it
02:00:33 <award3535> off to more vacation....
02:01:13 * masta looks back in
02:01:31 <masta> disagree with splitting the platinum with RH fyi
02:01:50 <masta> Fedora should be it's own...
02:02:28 <Jsandys> Joe said: Hey - so, I talked to LFNW about sponsoring at Gold + the Friday Night
02:02:28 <Jsandys> Board Game Party and also asked them to make sure they held a .org table
02:02:28 <Jsandys> for Fedora.
02:02:46 <Jsandys> So I need to talk to Joe and the organizers
02:04:01 <masta> plz do
02:04:14 <masta> =)
02:05:07 <inode0> masta: and speaking of joint appearances - discussion of a Red Hat, CentOS, Fedora panel at TXLF
02:05:45 <masta> sounders interesting
02:06:14 <masta> might cause some buzz to attract more attendees
02:06:56 <inode0> as might new toys :)
02:07:37 <masta> I know a few ARM kernel developers folks talking about showing up at TXLF this year, as in fly in from the Valley and stuff... should be good
02:08:18 <masta> we need to do whatever we can to make that event awesome... (and all events really)
02:09:10 * inode0 is thinking about what cool thing we might be able to demo and give away
02:09:17 <masta> inode0: as long as Fedora and Centos don't have to co-share booth, I'm cool with whatever...
02:09:36 <inode0> yeah, no booth sharing
02:09:49 <Jsandys> +1
02:09:53 <inode0> what is the status of ours by the way?
02:10:23 <masta> inode0: I'm going to ask my friends at Circuitco to donate a few beagle bone blacks, but the problem there is they might have a booth themselves... so it would be weird
02:10:47 <masta> inode0: we are secured
02:10:54 <inode0> has our sponsorship been paid? we want that done this fiscal year :)
02:10:56 <masta> inode0: she paid the money
02:11:01 <inode0> excellent
02:11:14 <dan408_> sorry boss is bugging
02:11:45 <inode0> let's end and move back to our secret channel
02:11:57 <masta> I think we should do gold at NWLF (sry to rehash that)
02:12:26 <masta> it's *important* enough to merit the spending
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02:12:40 <masta> ok bye bye
02:12:42 <dan408_> #endmeeting