04:00:46 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting APAC Ambassadors meeting 2014-03-15
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04:00:52 <FranciscoD> #meetingname APAC Ambassadors meeting 2014-03-15
04:00:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac_ambassadors_meeting_2014-03-15'
04:01:02 <FranciscoD> #chair tuanta mpduty bochecha alick anshprat_ adimania_
04:01:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha mpduty tuanta
04:01:08 <FranciscoD> #topic Init process
04:01:15 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:01:16 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis ankursinha
04:01:16 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:01:23 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:01:26 * bochecha waves
04:01:49 <mpduty> I am Mohan Prakash
04:01:57 <FranciscoD> I guess we can wait a few minutes, for late comers :)
04:02:14 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis mohanprakash
04:02:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD: mohanprakash 'mohan prakash' <mpduty@gmail.com>
04:02:36 * FranciscoD looks to see if there's anyone from the China team around
04:02:41 <tuanta> that's not your name, FranciscoD :)
04:02:46 <FranciscoD> heh
04:02:50 <FranciscoD> XD
04:02:59 <FranciscoD> tuanta: do you think we need to change the meeting time to sync with the China team?
04:03:13 <botreynisa> Hello, FranciscoD
04:03:19 <tuanta> I don't think so.
04:03:33 <tuanta> bochecha is also living in Hong Kong
04:03:37 <FranciscoD> hello botreynisa , please use one of the commands to identify yourself, just for the logs :)
04:03:52 <bochecha> tuanta, until May, yes
04:03:52 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ok, we'll discuss it in the open floor
04:04:00 <FranciscoD> Let's move on to actual work then
04:04:01 <tuanta> it is around noon in China
04:04:08 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
04:04:11 <FranciscoD> Anyone?
04:04:12 <tuanta> they just don't come
04:04:20 <bochecha> tuanta, it is exactly noon in China
04:04:28 <FranciscoD> #info Please use ! or ? to request a turn and EOF when you're done.
04:04:28 <bochecha> (all of China is UTC+8)
04:04:36 <tuanta> thanks bochecha
04:04:37 <tuanta> !
04:04:40 <FranciscoD> tuanta: go
04:04:59 <zsun> .fas zsun
04:05:00 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Zamir SUN' <sztsian@gmail.com>
04:05:01 <tuanta> I would like to introduce a very new Fedora community in Cambodia
04:05:14 <zsun> sorry to be late.
04:05:22 <FranciscoD> zodbot: no worries at all :)
04:05:24 <FranciscoD> tuanta: go on
04:05:31 * harish apologies for the late connect.
04:05:33 <tuanta> botreynisa, can you introduce your self
04:06:05 * masta lurks
04:06:27 <FranciscoD> #chair masta harish zsun botreynisa
04:06:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha botreynisa harish masta mpduty tuanta zsun
04:06:43 <botreynisa> yes, thank q tuanta
04:06:49 <zsun> FranciscoD:  I'm from Chinese team. EOM.
04:06:51 <tuanta> we just had a successful work in FOSSASIA and Cambodia just stepped up
04:07:09 <tuanta> eof
04:07:43 <FranciscoD> tuanta: is there a wiki page that collects all the event reports from fossasia yet?
04:07:50 <tuanta> they even got a plan this year
04:07:51 <botreynisa> my name Ban Botrey Nisa my companion here in Cambodia is somvannda (Somvannda Kong)
04:07:53 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Cambodia
04:08:09 <FranciscoD> tuanta: like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Reports_photos_and_presentations ?
04:08:28 <tuanta> reports are posted to Fedora Planet and in each Trac tickets
04:08:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I'll be good to collate them. It shows how good the event was :)
04:08:47 <FranciscoD> I
04:08:51 <FranciscoD> 'll send out a mail
04:09:01 <tuanta> thanks FranciscoD
04:09:12 <FranciscoD> botreynisa: it's really good to have you here. Are you working with other Fedora teams yet?
04:10:08 <harish> botreynisa, welcome to Fedora.
04:10:15 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD create a wiki page for fossasia event reports and send out a mail asking attendees to update it with their posts
04:10:24 <tuanta> another announcement:
04:10:53 <tuanta> Flock registrations and talk proposals are now open
04:10:59 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-March/003202.html
04:11:02 <FranciscoD> ++
04:11:09 <tuanta> eof
04:11:20 <FranciscoD> #info Flock registrations and talk proposals are now open
04:11:31 <FranciscoD> I don't think I have much to announce
04:11:35 <tuanta> any more announcements today?
04:11:48 <FranciscoD> Everyone's already aware of FAmSCo working on the "revoke" process
04:11:53 <FranciscoD> "revoke process'
04:12:13 <FranciscoD> Fedora.next is still a WIP.
04:12:30 <FranciscoD> The desktop wg has been discussing what DE, filesystem etc. it's going to use
04:12:35 <FranciscoD> It'll probably be Gnome
04:12:51 <tuanta> yes
04:13:08 <FranciscoD> if you want to checkout gnome 3.12, you can use the COPR repo they've set up http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/
04:13:25 <FranciscoD> #info Gnome 3.12 repo: http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/
04:13:35 <FranciscoD> it's pretty stable. I've been using it for a few weeks now
04:13:50 <mpduty> FranciscoD: thanks, that will be useful
04:13:57 <FranciscoD> If you want to check out dnf, they have a repo too:
04:14:15 <FranciscoD> #info dnf nightlies: http://jenkins.cloud.fedoraproject.org/job/DNF/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/fedora-20-x86_64-build/
04:14:41 <FranciscoD> #info dnf nightly repo file: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/85592/39485685
04:14:47 * FranciscoD tries to think of anything else
04:14:50 <FranciscoD> oh!
04:15:02 <FranciscoD> #info the websites team is working on the new website
04:15:04 * FranciscoD goes to find a link
04:15:35 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/248#comment:23
04:15:48 <FranciscoD> this is a mock up: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/getfedora/
04:15:56 * FranciscoD thinks it looks awesome
04:16:21 <FranciscoD> QA has been discussing stuff too, but I cant think of anything worth announcing at the moment
04:16:22 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:16:32 <zsun> looks awesome
04:16:39 <FranciscoD> Same with marketing. I haven't been able to attend the recent meetings, though.
04:16:46 <FranciscoD> EOF for me
04:17:00 <FranciscoD> Oh! One more:
04:17:23 <FranciscoD> #info GSOC is in its initial phase. Tell your friends! Fedora is looking for people!
04:17:32 <FranciscoD> now EOF
04:17:37 <botreynisa> FranciscoD, Thank q; yes we were applying to become ambassadors and from a great help from tuanta and gnokii we organized a scheduled for 2014
04:18:00 <FranciscoD> botreynisa: sounds good. If you need help, just file a ticket or drop us an e-mail.
04:18:03 <FranciscoD> tuanta: next topic?
04:18:10 <tuanta> yes, move on please
04:18:19 <FranciscoD> #topic Trac tickets
04:18:29 <FranciscoD> If everyone could please refer to report 9: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:18:54 <FranciscoD> dramsey isn't here, so we'll do the tokyo events later
04:19:11 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:19:29 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/82 -> Let the CC holder pick a fixed period as "reimbursement day"
04:19:40 <tuanta> can you see KageSenshi around?
04:19:45 <FranciscoD> no, he isn't here either
04:20:13 <FranciscoD> But he just needs to pick the period. The ambassadors need to agree that this should be done.
04:20:46 <FranciscoD> The idea is that instead of izhar keeping an eye on tickets all the time, he'll just check tickets at a specified time
04:20:46 <botreynisa> FranciscoD, tuanta and gnokii been helping us on that
04:21:14 <FranciscoD> So, if he decides to do it once in two weeks, everyone that needs reimbursement should file their receipts and then wait for that assigned day
04:21:28 <FranciscoD> It'll just make it a little easier for the CC holder
04:21:43 <FranciscoD> And it'll keep people from commenting on tickets with "any updates on this?"
04:21:49 <FranciscoD> #chair somvannda
04:21:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha botreynisa harish masta mpduty somvannda tuanta zsun
04:22:10 <somvannda> thanks FranciscoD
04:22:10 <FranciscoD> I'm +1 for the ticket, since I filed it in the first place.
04:22:23 <FranciscoD> Please do leave your comments on it when you have the time
04:22:39 <tuanta> yes, we should work more on the Trac
04:22:48 <tuanta> then go for voting in the next meeting
04:22:55 <FranciscoD> Yeah.
04:23:09 <tuanta> ok, next then?
04:23:11 <FranciscoD> #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #82
04:23:42 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/121 -> shipping fee to send swag to Cambodia
04:24:12 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Not much to discuss here. +1 from me.
04:24:34 <FranciscoD> Please read the ticket and then reply with a +1/-1
04:24:39 <somvannda> can i give +1 too?
04:24:43 <FranciscoD> (reply  here I mean)
04:24:49 <FranciscoD> somvannda: yes :)
04:24:50 <harish> i can ship some swag to Cambodia. Need advise on their local tax situation.
04:25:23 <FranciscoD> ah, botreynisa and somvannda are here harish . They should be able to answer your queries. Should I keep this for open floor?
04:25:28 <somvannda> harish: please send via FedEx, or DHL or EMS it would be okay, they can clear with the custom
04:26:00 <tuanta> harish, EMS is cheaper in Vietnam so I sent via EMS
04:26:02 <harish> i know that can happen, but there have been times even shipment to Philippines got stuck because of taxes.
04:26:40 <FranciscoD> Let's vote on the ticket and we can discuss this after we're done with the other tickets
04:26:49 <FranciscoD> +1s?
04:26:53 <somvannda> harish: according to experience of my friend who works for google and mozilla, their swag are okay.
04:26:57 <harish> shipping via the usual couriers is definitely possible most everywhere but there are fine details that gets us tripped over.
04:26:58 <tuanta> yes, harish, we got a lot of issues in shipping and tax in APAC
04:27:36 <harish> so, please do highlight tax issue so that i can anticipate that and perhaps pay for it first instead of the recipient bearing the cost.
04:27:37 <somvannda> FranciscoD: I am +1
04:27:59 <FranciscoD> tuanta harish botreynisa mpduty ?
04:28:04 <mpduty> +1 from my side
04:28:06 <FranciscoD> zsun ?
04:28:11 <harish> +1
04:28:12 <zsun> +1 from my side
04:28:35 <FranciscoD> That's +5/-0
04:28:39 <tuanta> +1 from me (just for recording)
04:28:52 <FranciscoD> #agreed Approve ticket #121 (+6/-0)
04:29:02 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD mark ticket #121 as approved
04:29:33 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/123 -> materials and travel subsidy for somvannda to join barcamp siem reap 2014
04:29:58 <FranciscoD> The requirement is $150
04:30:39 <somvannda> please read the ticket, i will explain more if you need more info
04:30:40 <FranciscoD> Looks good to me. tuanta : I assume we have money to fund this?
04:31:01 <FranciscoD> somvannda: do check this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/For_Ambassadors/Fedora20
04:31:04 <tuanta> now we are in FY2015, but the budget plan has not been approved yet
04:31:15 <tuanta> we can use FY2014 budget for this
04:31:26 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ok, as long as we have money to fund them, it's OK
04:31:43 <somvannda> FranciscoD: thank you :)
04:32:08 <FranciscoD> Let's vote on it then
04:32:10 <FranciscoD> +1
04:32:33 <mpduty> +1
04:32:38 <zsun> +1
04:32:38 <tuanta> somvannda, I sent you some stickers
04:32:44 <tuanta> is that enough?
04:32:51 <tuanta> or you need to print more?
04:32:52 <FranciscoD> The *one* issue is that the transfer is to be done by western union. izhar opened another ticket to discuss that.
04:32:57 <harish> +1
04:32:57 <tuanta> please check them first
04:33:03 * FranciscoD wishes paypal would work everywhere
04:33:17 <tuanta> they would be a arrived this weekend, I think
04:33:33 * harish for that to be the case, FranciscoD, in some places the laws have to change.
04:33:48 <tuanta> also, you already have got standees (from gnokii) right?
04:34:07 <FranciscoD> harish: yeah, unfortunately
04:34:11 * harish perhaps cryptocurrencies like bitcoin etc.
04:34:13 <tuanta> I sent you both stickers and flyers, somvannda
04:34:24 <FranciscoD> harish: I doubt RH will agree to use bitcoin as a payment method
04:34:25 <somvannda> tuanta: Im afraid it will be out of the swag since there will be more than 100 people to join Open House Phnom Penh 2014
04:34:38 <FranciscoD> specially with their exchanges failing and getting hacked etc
04:34:41 <harish> tuanta, i can send stuff. let me check what we have left.
04:35:07 <tuanta> harish, you can send to Cambodia?
04:35:24 <somvannda> tuanta: i have 2 stand banners here :) we will bring it along
04:35:26 <harish> FranciscoD, yeah, RH is not considering bitcoin types. but need to keep that in mind.
04:35:34 <harish> tuanta, yes, i can send.
04:35:40 <zsun> FranciscoD: I think RH will not support bitcon since it is not legally supported in some countries
04:35:42 <tuanta> thanks, harish :)
04:35:59 <zsun> s/bitcon/bitcoin
04:36:04 <somvannda> if harish  could send more swags to Cambodia, so then I dont have to print them again, we will use it for BarCamp Siem Reap
04:36:20 <tuanta> somvannda, just curious about swag budget in your Siem Reap's ticket
04:36:24 <tuanta> personally
04:37:04 <harish> somvannda, please email me your mailing details etc.
04:37:06 <tuanta> can you break down estimation cost for stickers, flyers and media in that
04:37:36 * FranciscoD checks the clock: 37 minuts
04:37:57 <tuanta> I vote a tentative +1, then come back to #123 ticket later when somvannda breaks down swag budget
04:38:32 <FranciscoD> ok
04:38:42 <FranciscoD> that's +5/-0 for at the moment
04:39:00 <FranciscoD> #agreed ticket #123 tentatively approved
04:39:03 <somvannda> tuanta: should i breaks down here? or modify in the ticket?
04:39:13 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD mark ticket as approved
04:39:14 <harish> tenative +1 from me
04:39:18 <FranciscoD> somvannda: ticket will be preferred
04:39:20 <tuanta> somvannda, you should post a new comment
04:39:24 <FranciscoD> that way everything is documented
04:39:37 <somvannda> harish: My mailing is House #9B, Street 466, Sangkat Tunle Bassac, Khan Chamkarmorn, Phnom Penh, Cambodia
04:39:43 <somvannda> okay
04:39:59 <FranciscoD> somvannda: er, e-mail him privately. You just put your address oon the internet
04:40:05 <FranciscoD> be careful with these things
04:40:07 <botreynisa> !
04:40:10 <FranciscoD> all meetings are logged
04:40:12 <FranciscoD> botreynisa: go
04:40:14 <botreynisa> +1 here for ticket
04:40:15 <somvannda> lol
04:40:24 <botreynisa> eof
04:40:34 <FranciscoD> botreynisa: ah, great. that makes in +6
04:40:48 <FranciscoD> mpduty: is there anything to discuss about your ticket?
04:40:54 * harish my email h dot pillay at redhat dot com
04:41:22 <mpduty> not much just an information about what we are thinking here
04:41:35 <FranciscoD> mpduty: okay, I'll bring it up in open floor then
04:41:37 <somvannda> harish: so to clarify, will you be able to send some swags? because I can reduce the budget in my ticket to produce it here..
04:41:40 <FranciscoD> so we can have a proper discussion
04:42:00 <tuanta> somvannda, you should note harish's email address and drop him an email after this meeting
04:42:00 <harish> somvannda, yes, i need to check to see what i have.
04:42:05 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/122 -> western union/moneygram transfer charges and its effect on apac budget
04:42:34 <FranciscoD> tuanta: like izhar says, it costs about 60$ extra for him to reimburse uddinet's $616
04:42:51 <tuanta> yes, it is a really bid deal in APAC right now :(
04:42:56 <FranciscoD> tuanta: one thing we could do is to keep a "transfer charge" buffer
04:43:05 <FranciscoD> maybe a couple of 100$?
04:43:09 <tuanta> it would be a huge lost :(
04:43:21 <harish> i would suggest a range between 5-10%
04:43:29 <FranciscoD> I mean, there isn't much we can do about it.
04:43:34 <tuanta> $30 for transferring $60, e.g.,
04:43:39 <harish> yes, these middlemen are scamming us.
04:43:54 <harish> hence the attraction of the crypto currencies.
04:44:07 <FranciscoD> there was another website similar to paypal
04:44:09 <FranciscoD> let me check
04:44:20 <tuanta> MoneyBooker?
04:44:25 <tuanta> something like that
04:44:26 <FranciscoD> skrill
04:44:30 <FranciscoD> https://www.skrill.com/en/
04:44:32 <tuanta> it would be a good idea, FranciscoD
04:44:44 <FranciscoD> but we'll need to check what countries it works in
04:45:06 <FranciscoD> i'm sure they'll have a transfer charge too
04:45:13 <FranciscoD> but it may be less than the others
04:45:27 <tuanta> so, we should call to all countries, if they can not receive money via PayPal, they should propose some other alternatives
04:45:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: well, I already did send out that mail requesting people to update the list
04:45:59 <FranciscoD> most people that can't use paypal just default to western union etc
04:46:05 <tuanta> how about bank transfers (SWIFT) as harish did before?
04:46:08 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement/Preferred_Payment_Methods#Table
04:46:11 <FranciscoD> tuanta: costs money
04:46:15 <harish> and that's a request that has been done many times before.
04:46:19 <FranciscoD> I send uddinet money last time
04:46:30 <FranciscoD> cost me 30-40$ from my own pocket
04:46:30 <FranciscoD> :/
04:46:31 <harish> some bank transfers incur no cost but it is very variable.
04:46:38 <harish> example:
04:47:12 <tuanta> FranciscoD, we should list some options to people then they can choose
04:47:18 <harish> in singapore, if you want to send money to India via the Indian bank ICICI it is free. from SG to IN.
04:47:33 <FranciscoD> tuanta: i'd prefer they went around and looked
04:47:49 <FranciscoD> i mean, they want to receive money, so they should do the work ;)
04:47:51 <harish> yes, these are so variable and special offers come and go.
04:48:12 <FranciscoD> harish: is RH okay with bank transfers?
04:48:13 <mpduty> but I don't think there is any problem with pay pal in India
04:48:14 <tuanta> good news, harish
04:48:18 <FranciscoD> mpduty: not in India, no
04:48:24 <tuanta> :)
04:48:34 <FranciscoD> but you need to withdraw the funds within a week or something
04:48:40 <FranciscoD> adimania_ had mentioned something
04:48:52 <harish> FranciscoD, yes, no issue with bank transfers.
04:48:57 <FranciscoD> That's good to hear
04:49:21 <FranciscoD> So, basically, paypal is preferred, and if that doesn't work, people need to find other alternatives
04:49:24 <FranciscoD> Some of which are:
04:49:24 <tuanta> yes, but I prefer leave that money in my PayPal account for other spends
04:49:24 <FranciscoD> skrill
04:49:40 <FranciscoD> tuanta: different countries have different regulations
04:49:49 <FranciscoD> western union/money gram (apparently expensive)
04:49:51 <harish> one of the contributing factors for my delays in reimbursement was that i was going around - literally visiting the banks in Singapore - to see what rates they have and any special options.
04:50:09 <FranciscoD> back transfers -> may or may not cost money
04:50:19 <FranciscoD> harish: yeah, but i think that's too much work for the CC holder
04:50:27 <harish> yep.
04:50:40 <FranciscoD> even for Western union, izhar said he'll have to go down physically and do it
04:50:45 <somvannda> ! harish i have just sent you an email
04:50:47 <tuanta> and they may not accept CC charge'
04:50:53 <harish> but with a "small" budget, we get nick and dimed and it mounts.
04:50:59 <harish> somvannda, thanks.
04:51:21 <harish> but with a "small" budget, we get nickle and dimed and it mounts.
04:51:40 <tuanta> KageSenshi just use CC, he can not use his pocket :)
04:51:43 <FranciscoD> #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money
04:51:50 <FranciscoD> #undo
04:51:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 04:51:43 : ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money
04:51:51 <harish> somvannda, got it.
04:52:03 <FranciscoD> #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money -> provide the *cheapest* method
04:52:06 <FranciscoD> better
04:52:17 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:52:44 <FranciscoD> #action ALL APAC: update table with *cheapest* method https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement/Preferred_Payment_Methods#Table
04:53:00 <FranciscoD> fine, last ticket for the day is more of a discussion than a budget request
04:53:22 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/124 -> popularize Fedora in Jharkhand
04:53:32 <FranciscoD> mpduty: ah, I think someone from ISM dhanbad mailed me the other day
04:53:39 <FranciscoD> I'll get you in touch with him.
04:53:53 <mpduty> that will be good
04:54:08 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD get "Ashish" in touch with mpduty
04:54:14 <zsun> get it
04:54:27 <FranciscoD> mpduty: you can help him become a Fedora contributor, and he can help you with your project too
04:54:47 <FranciscoD> mpduty: why don't you tell us what you're planning to do?
04:54:49 <FranciscoD> in short?
04:54:59 <mpduty> visiting rural areas
04:55:14 <mpduty> mobilising interested people
04:55:26 <FranciscoD> okay, but elaborate on "rural areas"
04:55:29 <mpduty> organising workshops on regular intervals
04:55:35 <FranciscoD> you mean schools in rural areas?
04:55:37 <mpduty> villages
04:55:40 <FranciscoD> or just people?
04:55:47 <FranciscoD> as in, people who have computers
04:55:47 <mpduty> yes schools and other institutions
04:55:57 <FranciscoD> or are you planning to help them set up computers too?
04:56:09 <FranciscoD> the r-pi could be something you can look at
04:56:12 <tuanta> I have no ideas about India areas
04:56:17 <mpduty> yes helping them install fedora
04:56:24 <FranciscoD> tuanta: luckily I'm from Jharkhand too ;)
04:56:32 <tuanta> cool :)
04:56:43 <mpduty> you know the situation here
04:56:45 <FranciscoD> mpduty: you'll probably get a better idea once you start going down to these places
04:56:52 <FranciscoD> you'll understand the issues better
04:57:02 <mpduty> I have already visited
04:57:21 <FranciscoD> but I'll be totally for helping these schools set up systems using the r-pi, so they can at lesat access the internet to start with
04:57:22 <mpduty> We have set up a centre in Hensalong, Chandil with four computers from a donor
04:57:36 <FranciscoD> mpduty: ah great, so that didn't cost you anything. Nice
04:57:41 <harish> when you do write up something, do state how the effort will be sustained *after* the event.
04:57:51 <mpduty> sure
04:57:54 <FranciscoD> the r-pi was 25$ each, the last time I checked
04:58:01 <mpduty> I have some queries however
04:58:06 <FranciscoD> mpduty: ask away
04:58:18 <FranciscoD> the one issue with rpi is that it only has HDMI output, which older monitors don't have
04:58:24 <mpduty> Does the event owner have to be an ambassador?
04:58:45 <mpduty> then would you suggest someone?
04:58:51 <FranciscoD> mpduty: well, not necessarily, but there should be a fedora ambassador around if reimbursement is required
04:59:13 <FranciscoD> i mean, we can't just give everyone money. We'd love to, but it isn't practical
04:59:13 <mpduty> then could you suggest someone for future?
04:59:23 <FranciscoD> mpduty: I'd suggest you quickly become one
04:59:35 <FranciscoD> I'm not aware of anyone in that area
04:59:41 <harish> FranciscoD, look at getting these http://www.amazon.com/A-Sonic-HDMI-HD15-Male-Cable/dp/B001OLCHJ6 <- hdmi to vga
04:59:44 <mpduty> well then you have to be my mentor :) :)
04:59:55 <FranciscoD> mpduty: who's your mentor at the moment?
05:00:02 <mpduty> no one
05:00:06 <tuanta> .fasinfo mpduty
05:00:09 <zodbot> tuanta: User "mpduty" doesn't exist
05:00:09 <FranciscoD> i can help you, but officially the mentor has to give the green signal
05:00:17 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo mohanprakash
05:00:19 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: mohanprakash, Name: mohan prakash, email: mpduty@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-12-27, IRC Nick: mpd, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
05:00:22 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Unapproved Groups: l10n-editor l10n-commits marketing
05:00:25 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
05:00:41 <tuanta> he has not applied to Ambassadors group yet
05:00:48 <mpduty> I had
05:00:57 <mpduty> Shakthi Kanan was my mentor
05:00:59 <tuanta> there is only one mentor in India now, Kushal
05:01:08 <mpduty> I sent him a mail
05:01:10 <tuanta> Shakthi has left
05:01:19 <mpduty> he hasn't replied yet
05:01:20 <tuanta> then you can contact to Kushal
05:01:30 <mpduty> I had sent him a mail
05:01:33 <FranciscoD> tuanta: would you have time to take him up? I can mentor him unofficially and send you reports and stuff?
05:01:40 <mpduty> he hasn't replied yet
05:01:41 <FranciscoD> (sort of outsourcing I mean)
05:02:17 <tuanta> I have not any ideas about India ;(
05:02:28 <FranciscoD> tuanta: which is why I'll mentor him and send you reports :)
05:02:49 <mpduty> You got to increase mentors in India
05:02:52 <tuanta> FranciscoD, do you think we should have more mentors in India?
05:02:56 <FranciscoD> but since I'm not an "official" mentor, I can't do updates on the trac ticket or approve his ambassadorship
05:02:58 <zsun> as I see ambassador group is invite only now
05:03:21 <mpduty> yes thats another issue
05:03:22 <tuanta> now, only Kushal available
05:03:36 <tuanta> mpduty: what is the issue?
05:03:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I really don't know. As far as I see it, the mentor only needs to flip the switch to "YES".
05:03:55 <FranciscoD> the community can always mentor people
05:04:08 <FranciscoD> which is why I keep requesting famsco to make all candidates join fedora-join
05:04:11 <tuanta> I have just started my mentoring job
05:04:14 <tuanta> a lot of work
05:04:14 <mpduty> you don't perhaps apply for ambassadorship, but only get invites (perhaps)
05:04:24 <FranciscoD> i havent heard from fasmco at all about this
05:04:38 <FranciscoD> at the moment, the community doest even get to know of a candidate
05:04:41 <tuanta> since almost your mentees are as a white paper
05:04:49 <FranciscoD> which is not the best way of doing things
05:05:13 <tuanta> Indian needs a mentor in India
05:05:28 <FranciscoD> i like the way infra does things:  all of the infra team gets to know if theres a candidate
05:05:33 <tuanta> so now, mpduty has only one choice, Kushal
05:05:39 <somvannda> !
05:05:44 <FranciscoD> somvannda: go on
05:05:47 <mpduty> Could you ask Kushal to help me please since he is not replying to my mail
05:06:13 <mpduty> He stays at Bangalore, I suppose
05:06:19 <somvannda> I was just wanna ask about how about my and nisa's ambassadorship ?
05:06:23 <FranciscoD> well, if people have to contact the mentor etc and get them to reply, we probably need another mentor tuanta
05:06:47 <FranciscoD> somvannda: you're being mentored, right? You'll be approved when your mentor thinks you've learnt enough :)
05:06:49 <tuanta> somvannda, I just posted a new comment on Trac
05:07:05 <tuanta> I am his mentor, FranciscoD :)
05:07:09 <somvannda> hehe
05:07:11 <FranciscoD> aye :)
05:07:15 <somvannda> tuanta is my mentor
05:07:36 <somvannda> i learn from day to day :)
05:07:44 <mpduty> tuanta: could you please contact Kushal for me?
05:08:08 <tuanta> mpduty, please drop him another email and cc to me
05:08:15 <tuanta> I will nag him more
05:08:27 <mpduty> tuanta: ok that will be done
05:09:12 <FranciscoD> tuanta: the nagging is extra work
05:09:24 <FranciscoD> for you, for mpduty and well, even for the mentor you're nagging
05:09:41 <FranciscoD> I'll file a ticket with famsco with a proposal
05:09:46 <botreynisa> ! how about me?
05:09:57 <tuanta> botreynisa, :)
05:09:59 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file ticket with famsco requesting that all candidates be sent to fedora-join
05:10:08 <FranciscoD> okay, is there anything else to discuss?
05:10:11 <FranciscoD> open floor?
05:10:13 <mpduty> perhaps it could be appropriate to increase the number of mentors in India. A big country you know
05:10:16 <FranciscoD> mpduty: if you need help, mail us
05:10:18 <tuanta> are you still focusing on our discussion :)
05:10:26 <tuanta> yes, open floor now
05:10:33 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
05:10:59 <FranciscoD> tuanta: any idea if the FUDCon team managed to get in touch with ruth or robyn ?
05:11:02 <FranciscoD> zsun: ^ ?
05:11:12 <zsun> !
05:11:12 <zsun> I have some info from FUDCon APAC side
05:11:16 <tuanta> not yet :(
05:11:17 <FranciscoD> zsun: go ahead
05:11:17 <zsun> We still did not get response from robyn
05:11:35 <somvannda> can you update about the flock?
05:11:48 <FranciscoD> somvannda: once zsun finishes
05:12:04 <FranciscoD> zsun: hrm, and ruth?
05:12:11 <FranciscoD> she's the budget manager iirc
05:12:13 <zsun> alick will contact witl ruth and see if ruth can help
05:12:16 * randomuser idly notes that the r.pi is weak and support for the rockchip mk802(b?) is probably decent
05:12:24 <zsun> s/witl/with
05:12:33 <FranciscoD> #chair randomuser
05:12:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha botreynisa harish masta mpduty randomuser somvannda tuanta zsun
05:12:36 <tuanta> I just dropped them another reminder this morning
05:12:40 <randomuser> heh
05:12:41 <FranciscoD> randomuser: info it :P
05:12:53 <zsun> and we are considering ask others for help with contacting with robyn
05:12:54 <zsun> EOF
05:13:03 <FranciscoD> zsun: yes, i understand that
05:13:37 <FranciscoD> well, they're exceptionally busy so I understand why they havent been able to reply yet
05:13:38 <randomuser> #info those looking for a low-cost platform for Fedora might want to look into the mk802 or mk802b; superior specs to r.pi, similar price range in some regions
05:13:44 <FranciscoD> but we're on a tight schedule
05:13:50 <randomuser> EOF
05:13:54 <FranciscoD> thanks randomuser :)
05:14:02 <FranciscoD> tuanta: can't fasmco get in touch with them?
05:14:07 <FranciscoD> "officially"?
05:14:24 <tuanta> we did
05:14:50 <tuanta> but Robyn has not responded yet
05:15:04 <zsun> I am thinking ask for Red Hat Beijing or even APAC for help with this. But maybe not so useful
05:15:05 <tuanta> Ruth did, but we need to wait for FPL
05:15:20 <tuanta> we need approval from her
05:15:35 <FranciscoD> tuanta: what did ruth say?
05:15:37 <FranciscoD> All Ok there?
05:15:45 * tuanta looking for the mail
05:16:47 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2014-February/001492.html
05:17:04 <FranciscoD> mpduty: sent ashish a mail with you cc'd
05:17:17 <FranciscoD> ah, hrm
05:17:24 <mpduty> ok
05:17:26 <FranciscoD> well, we're gonna have to stalk robyn
05:17:38 <tuanta> the last response is on Feb 17th :(
05:17:41 <tuanta> a month ago
05:17:59 <FranciscoD> tuanta: so, officially the fudcon has not yet been approved?
05:18:02 <tuanta> yes, but she has not responded yet for months
05:18:15 <FranciscoD> that's unsettling
05:18:19 <tuanta> no, it has not been approved yet
05:18:23 <zsun> well, so I do not neet to mail Jiri again since you've already did this
05:18:27 <FranciscoD> fine I'll keep an eye out on the IRC for rbergeron and bug her
05:19:08 <zsun> I tried to ping rbergeron one day I saw her in #fedora-admin,but no reply
05:19:13 <tuanta> thanks FranciscoD
05:19:16 <zsun> it was in Feb
05:19:18 <FranciscoD> she probably has to speak to folks at RH etc too
05:19:30 <FranciscoD> it isn't really just a simple "Oh yeah! Go ahead!"
05:19:37 <tuanta> :)
05:19:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: would filing a ticket with the board be of any use?
05:19:49 * FranciscoD doesn't think so
05:19:51 <FranciscoD> just wondering
05:20:07 <zsun> I understand. We just want to make sure she already know this fudcon
05:20:15 <tuanta> I will bring this up to FAmSCo in the next meeting first (next Monday)
05:20:24 <FranciscoD> zsun: until she doesn't give approval, you will not receive any funds at all
05:20:27 <zsun> thank you tuanta
05:20:32 <FranciscoD> so your organization will get held up
05:20:49 * harish brb
05:20:51 <FranciscoD> anyway, we'll look into it
05:20:55 <FranciscoD> anything else on open floor?
05:20:58 <FranciscoD> o
05:21:09 <FranciscoD> I've suggested a packaging hack thing for the fudcon
05:21:21 <FranciscoD> I intend to take packaging workshops to help people prepare for it
05:21:29 <tuanta> cool
05:21:29 <FranciscoD> I'll send out mails to relevant lists when I can find the time
05:21:44 <FranciscoD> tuanta: i also proposed a simple "whats happening with fedora.next" talk
05:21:51 <FranciscoD> I was hoping you could do it with me?
05:22:05 <tuanta> in FUDCon Beijing?
05:22:12 <FranciscoD> I'll provide updates on the workstation WG, and you could provide updates on the Server WG?
05:22:15 <FranciscoD> tuanta: yeah
05:22:20 <tuanta> sorry, I can not make it to FUDCon Beijing
05:22:25 <FranciscoD> oh?
05:22:26 <tuanta> I am super busy in May
05:22:38 <FranciscoD> :/
05:22:45 * FranciscoD will have to catch hold of someone else then
05:22:48 <FranciscoD> *sigh*
05:23:00 <FranciscoD> does anyone havce anything else to discuss?
05:23:03 <FranciscoD> Otherwise I'll close
05:23:09 <tuanta> nope from me
05:23:09 <FranciscoD> we're over the 1 hour mark, as usual
05:23:17 <tuanta> but good discussion
05:23:23 <FranciscoD> mpduty: are you on the ambassadors mailing list?
05:23:28 <mpduty> yes
05:23:29 <zsun> nothing from me
05:23:32 <FranciscoD> botreynisa: somvannda ?
05:23:42 <FranciscoD> mpduty: can you please send out the logs of this meeting to the list then?
05:23:45 <tuanta> yes, they subscribed
05:24:14 <mpduty> yes
05:24:17 <FranciscoD> mpduty: great
05:24:23 <FranciscoD> #action mpduty send logs to lists
05:24:24 <FranciscoD> fine
05:24:26 <FranciscoD> closing in 5
05:24:27 <FranciscoD> 4
05:24:28 <FranciscoD> 1
05:24:28 <tuanta> see you all later
05:24:31 <FranciscoD> 0
05:24:33 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting