02:00:06 <masta> #startmeeting FAmNA
02:00:06 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA
02:00:06 <masta> #chair inode0 nb kk4ewt
02:00:06 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:00:06 <masta> Welcome to the Fedora North America Ambassador’s weekly IRC meeting!
02:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar  5 02:00:06 2014 UTC.  The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
02:00:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 kk4ewt masta nb
02:00:34 <wrnash> hi
02:00:40 <masta> hi wrnash
02:00:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey all
02:00:46 <masta> howdy ParadoxGuitarist
02:01:05 <handsome_pirate> arrr
02:01:33 <masta> #chair wrnash ParadoxGuitarist handsome_pirate
02:01:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist handsome_pirate inode0 kk4ewt masta nb wrnash
02:02:21 <masta> #topic === Announcements ===
02:02:57 <masta> anybody got any super cool things to announce ?
02:03:15 <nb> hi
02:03:23 <handsome_pirate> I'm about to eat some tasty lasgna with tasty bacon
02:03:29 <handsome_pirate> !eof
02:03:31 <nb> Docs FAD is coming up soon.
02:03:32 <handsome_pirate> :)
02:03:39 <nb> although that really doesn't have to do with ambassadors
02:03:57 <masta> nb: still good to see =)
02:04:13 <masta> nb: is that like a wiki hackathon?
02:04:36 <nb> working on the new docs website, and a few different things
02:04:44 <nb> we will be building docs in koji now to go on the website
02:04:44 <masta> cool
02:04:51 <wrnash> When is Docs FAD?
02:04:51 * nb does have one possible topic
02:05:09 <nb> I would like to get a few yubikeys to give some of our docs members who will be sysadmins on the new docs server
02:05:25 <nb> I might have budget in the FAD budget, but if not, was wondering if we could spend approx $200 out of Ambassadors budget
02:06:00 <masta> nb: hrm... not sure about that.
02:06:18 <nb> although i don't think we know what our budget is yet, do we?
02:06:43 <masta> one topic I have for tonight involves budgeting
02:06:58 <nb> background info: using sudo on any of our servers requires either a yubikey or google authenticator
02:07:15 <nb> google auth is subject to breaking when backing up or restoring your device, yubikey is much more stable
02:08:10 <masta> nb: I've got a few yubi-keys, they are great... but also freeOTP should work
02:08:17 <masta> anyhoo....
02:08:23 <masta> I'm going to get started
02:08:57 <masta> #topic FAmSCo relations.
02:09:21 <masta> so as many of you know, I was elected to join FAmSCo
02:09:47 <wrnash> That is good news Masta
02:09:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> yay
02:10:03 <masta> so now we finally have a liaison with them
02:10:36 <masta> I think there has been lack of communication or miss-communication
02:10:53 <masta> between them and the NA folks, so hopefully things improve.
02:11:08 <handsome_pirate> +1
02:11:40 <masta> anyhoo... one of the big take-aways I've learned is that NA should probably nominate somebody to take on the role of "treasurer" for our budget
02:12:28 <masta> this person would be responsible for tracking our spending, and possibly tracking what we plan to spend in the yearly cycle.
02:12:51 * nb wonders if masta or inode0 would be interested?
02:13:30 * handsome_pirate thinks that masta just self-nominated :)
02:13:33 <wrnash> where would the information be posted.  The wiki, sharepoint email...
02:13:35 <masta> I believe inode0 has been by default the treasurer since he has the credit card
02:14:15 <masta> wrnash: that is a detail I would leave to be decided by whomever accepts the role
02:14:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> how does ionode0 feel about being treasurer?
02:15:02 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: well I'm not sure how he feels, probably not too overly enthusiastic I would guess.... it's mostly just an effect of him having the CC.
02:15:32 <award3535> sorry I am late
02:15:37 <masta> anyhoo... we can improve a lot in terms of budgeting.
02:15:41 <masta> hi award3535
02:15:48 <masta> #chair award3535
02:15:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 handsome_pirate inode0 kk4ewt masta nb wrnash
02:16:11 <award3535> hello everyone, just got home from work
02:16:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey award3535
02:16:46 <masta> when we approve an event with our +1's we should be marking funds for that event, and when the funds are spent... they again change status... etc...
02:17:08 <masta> we should try our best to get away from not having any idea how much funds we have left near the end of the year, etc...
02:18:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> masta: is there anyone that's expressed interest in taking this over?
02:18:58 <award3535> are we looking at a budget officer type of job
02:19:04 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: not yet, I've just now proposed the idea... I'm hoping somebody steps forward by next week.
02:19:11 <masta> award3535: yes
02:19:37 <award3535> smart idea, but I jumped in kinda late
02:19:44 <masta> the other regions supposedly have one person given this role.
02:20:17 <award3535> other regions such as europe, asia, etc...
02:20:51 <masta> as far as FAmSCo goes, they want NA to better report spending... the treasure we choose and myself will be reporting this stuff upstream.
02:21:25 <masta> award3535: and latam
02:21:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> masta: Is that something you have time for?
02:22:08 <award3535> okay, from my experience they dont reimburse me unless I provide reports, receipts, and
02:22:21 <award3535> copies of my expenses with the project
02:22:56 <wrnash> When will the new role start.  I'm unable to do it right now but i could in a couple months.
02:23:08 <handsome_pirate> hrm
02:23:11 <award3535> are we asking about other costs also
02:23:33 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: I probably don't have the time
02:23:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: I think the issue is more that we spend more in a year that we're suppose to
02:24:01 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: but I would find the time if nobody else steps forward
02:24:14 <award3535> Got it.... just asking questions....
02:24:33 <masta> we also spend less than we should
02:24:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> right
02:24:56 <masta> because we have no idea where we stand with the budget, we are a bit overly conservative with spending
02:25:14 <masta> that is really bad, because we have to justify these funds
02:25:40 <masta> so when we ask our Benefactor for more money this coming year, we cannot prove the need for growth.
02:25:50 <masta> =(
02:26:52 <award3535> makes sense to me.... I did the budget for my dept a few years ago, 4mill a quarter and my boss spent more that he had everytime and didnt tell me until it was too late
02:28:01 <masta> so hopefully by next meeting we can name somebody as treasurer =)
02:28:05 * nb wonders if award3535 might be interested?
02:28:14 <masta> not everyone is here, so we give it a week or two
02:28:37 <handsome_pirate> Put it on the list for discussion?
02:28:55 <masta> #topic Mentors
02:28:56 <award3535> well I may but will need a lot of data to start
02:29:28 <masta> award3535: you were nominated by somebody to become a mentor, congratulations!
02:29:36 * masta ducks
02:29:48 <nb> :)
02:29:51 <award3535> Masta: yes thank you
02:29:53 * nb seconds the nomination
02:30:06 <handsome_pirate> +1
02:30:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
02:30:10 <wrnash> +1
02:30:22 <masta> award3535: is that something you would be interested in doing?
02:30:47 <award3535> budget maybe, but I am open for almost anything
02:31:25 <masta> award3535: ok cool, well no rush to decide things.
02:31:26 <award3535> currently I am working on putting together an ambassador training outline
02:31:50 <masta> award3535: oh wow... that sounds great. Let us know if you want any help
02:31:53 <award3535> sort of a one stop shop for new ambassadors
02:32:27 <wrnash> I will be willing to help out on that.
02:33:07 <award3535> I am not shy, but once I put it together I will let everyone have a look and make some suggestions
02:33:14 <masta> award3535: look, you got a volunteer!
02:33:24 <award3535> the more eyes I get the better.
02:33:41 <masta> indeed
02:33:48 <award3535> masta, sure, I would greatly appreciate it.
02:33:55 <masta> ok, so moving on...
02:34:05 <masta> #topic Event calendar
02:34:25 <masta> I've been maintaining an event calendar in google
02:34:33 * masta goes to find the link
02:37:04 <masta> https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mlhhr7ql7g7apnsmr9pcof24k8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago
02:37:10 <masta> sry for the long delay...
02:37:18 <masta> anyhoo... check it out
02:37:50 <masta> this list is probably very incomplete, and not entirely NA region...
02:38:25 <masta> it would be really cool it we could have somebody take info like this and populate the fedocal, or update a wifi page, or whatever....
02:39:08 <award3535> so does this mean we are getting away from the event page?
02:39:11 <masta> a central place to brows at upcoming events that the project might be interested to participate, or we organize some kind of Fedora involvement.
02:39:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> I can help with that, certainly if it's related to my ticket
02:39:57 <masta> award3535: I haven't looked at the event page in a while, but I'm not sure it contains up coming events... without any kind of project commitment.
02:40:22 <masta> I'm just trying to propose a way to put events on our radar
02:40:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> masta: I thnk that's a great idea.
02:41:36 <masta> I think something like fedocal would be great, but not sure it's ready for this use-case
02:41:37 <dan408_> damnit i joined but i forgot about the meeting
02:41:40 <dan408_> sorry
02:41:55 <award3535> I like it, but when we have an event, the owner of that event should create a page and
02:41:59 <award3535> link details
02:42:00 * dan408_ reads scrollback
02:42:33 <masta> welcome dan408_
02:43:31 <masta> #topic Open Floor!
02:44:28 <masta> ok folks, go nuts!
02:44:45 * handsome_pirate needs f20 media
02:44:54 <dan408_> masta: I thought suehle was the "treasurer"
02:45:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> can we talk about this ticket?
02:45:25 <nb> dan408_, she is budget owner for all of fedora
02:45:30 <dan408_> right
02:45:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/71
02:45:40 <dan408_> also i think nb should get the $200 for yubikeys
02:45:45 <dan408_> nb should get whatever he needs
02:46:05 <dan408_> it's only $200
02:46:13 <suehle> Each region has someone keeping track of their own reporting, but NA doesn't really have anyone doing that right now.
02:46:13 * handsome_pirate thinks nb needs an Aston-Martin
02:46:57 <dan408_> so inode0 isnt doing that?
02:47:16 <masta> dan408_: she is the global budget leader
02:47:19 <dan408_> it seemed that masta self nominated?
02:47:20 <dan408_> :P
02:47:46 <dan408_> i dont mind doing it if someone helps me get started.. i think more than one person doing it would be good so we have parity
02:48:34 <dan408_> it's just something we could go over during meetings
02:49:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> dan408_: are you talking about the ticket or budget?
02:49:25 <masta> dan408_: one of our challenges is the Ruth, and possibly others in the RH outreach team probably spend from our NA budget without our knowing
02:49:31 <dan408_> budget
02:50:12 <dan408_> I haven't known suehle to do that.. she's very trustworthy and responsible imo
02:50:14 <nb> handsome_pirate, well, the yubikeys aren't just for me..........
02:50:24 <nb> handsome_pirate, but i think i will have room in the FAD budget
02:50:44 <dan408_> anyways
02:50:48 <nb> suehle, i don't think crantila is coming, he hasn't responded to any emails, so i should still be within the budget you gave us
02:50:51 <suehle> That's unfair. Nobody's spending the NA budget secretly or anything. The actual thing the other regions were discussing dealing with would /help/ NA. Everything that benefits everyone gets lumped under NA, like AWS and the LWN subscription.
02:50:51 <masta> we just need somebody to plug into all the places we spend, whoever those people are, and log it all
02:50:58 <dan408_> yeah
02:51:00 <suehle> nb, ok
02:51:06 <dan408_> we should take that up with inode0 next meeting
02:51:53 <nb> suehle, i assume you would be ok with me ordering some yubikeys to use for the docs sysadmins (infrastructure had ordered some years ago, but last thing i heard nirik said they were pretty much gone)
02:51:58 <handsome_pirate> nb:  I was joking :)  I figured if Fedora bought you an Aston-Martin, you'd let me go for a spin :)
02:51:59 <nb> (out of FAD budget)
02:52:12 <nb> handsome_pirate, oh ok :) I thought you were just joking but was just making sure :)
02:52:12 <suehle> nb, sure, I'm pretty sure that's happened before
02:52:42 <suehle> We're currently in that limbo between the new fiscal year starting and budgets actually being approved by RH, but it's safe to assume roughly what you had last year.
02:52:47 <masta> suehle: not trying to sounds unfair =)
02:53:15 <suehle> masta, I just wanted to clarify that neither I nor anybody else is spending money "without your knowing." The public budget is public.
02:53:45 <masta> suehle: that makes me happy =)
02:53:56 <dan408_> masta let's set that as an action item for next week
02:54:03 * nb thinks maybe a better way of describing what masta was saying is "sometimes there is not an exact record of every transaction that RHT employees make like there is with john's community card"
02:54:06 <dan408_> did we discuss tickets? i dont see that anywhere in the scroll back
02:54:08 <suehle> And for all the worrying people do, I don't think ever in my time at least have I told anyone there was not enough money to spend for something. We've always scraped it up if need be.
02:54:17 <nb> suehle, a big +1
02:54:24 <dan408_> +1
02:54:37 * nb knows rbergeron has told me before "well, idk where the money will be, but go ahead, i will find it somewhere"
02:54:54 <nb> so yeah, /me totally agrees that i've never heard suehle or rbergeron or anyone say we didn't have any budget
02:55:40 <suehle> But it would be good if NA could start estimating how much you expect to spend at least in Q1, and then the other quarters shortly thereafter. :)
02:56:15 <masta> yes, we need to focus on budget
02:56:30 <dan408_> masta: and events
02:56:39 <suehle> And I'd like some cash to be towards PyCon in that budget if it works out--we'll have a booth there, and it would be cool to support it with some new t-shirts and brochures. It was super popular last year.
02:57:19 <masta> I'm pretty sure this next year we are going to spend on swag up front... or at least I would recommend we decide to do so.... =)
02:57:25 <dan408_> suehle: I thought RH was handling PyCon
02:57:59 <suehle> Sort of--we've paid for the sponsorship, but I think it's mainly going to be a Fedora booth this year. OpenShift's not coming.
02:58:21 <dan408_> suehle: Ah. I didn't see Fedora as a sponsor, just RH
02:58:52 <dan408_> I'd like to do Devops Days Silicon Valley
02:58:54 <nb> oh
02:58:58 <nb> #info we have case badges
02:59:04 <suehle> Well, that's because RH paid for the booth. We've been trying to work out a multi-PyCon sponsorship deal. But we definitely have Fedora space if not largely being Fedora.
02:59:14 <nb> suehle will be sending them to the shippers as soon as i send her the addresses
02:59:25 <nb> We need to get the tshirts vendor added as a supplier
02:59:35 <suehle> One that's not already a supplier?
02:59:40 <nb> suehle, i wonder, can you see if there are any current suppliers for tshirts that we might be able to use
02:59:45 <suehle> YES.
02:59:49 <dan408_> ^
02:59:50 <nb> suehle, i don't think we have ever used them as a PO before?
03:00:01 <suehle> Which is much easier than adding new ones, which just makes both finance and the vendor crazy. And me.
03:00:22 <suehle> There are multiple options available.
03:00:24 <nb> suehle, AFAIK last time we ordered it was before finance cracked down and we could just make a large CC charge
03:00:38 <suehle> You can still do that as long as it's under 1k, but that's not very many shirts.
03:00:44 <nb> yeah
03:00:53 <nb> it was before they really started enforcing the 1k limit
03:01:10 <nb> we haven't ordered them in what, a year or so i think
03:01:25 <suehle> I think it's been longer than that since we ordered new shirts.
03:01:42 <nb> suehle, can you maybe get a list of suppliers we could choose from, and send it to the ambassador list or something? and one of us can ask the vendors for quotes?
03:02:04 * nb can help with asking for quotes
03:02:07 <suehle> I don't mind sending out the request for quotes. I just need to know quantity of shirts and number of colors.
03:02:14 <nb> suehle, ok
03:02:26 <nb> What do people think, do we want splatter, or the I <3 Fedora or what?
03:02:27 <masta> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors
03:02:46 <dan408_> nb: links?
03:03:03 <masta> nb: the splatter was popular
03:03:10 <dan408_> i like the splatter one
03:03:20 <nb> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/2/22/Artwork_T%282d%29Shirt_ianweller_fedora_splatter_shirt_small.png/500px-Artwork_T%282d%29Shirt_ianweller_fedora_splatter_shirt_small.png
03:03:20 <suehle> Really?
03:03:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 to splatter
03:03:24 * handsome_pirate never got a ten years of fedora shirt
03:03:29 * handsome_pirate is saddened by this
03:03:38 * dan408_ got one
03:03:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> me neither handsome_pirate
03:03:44 <award3535> nor me
03:03:48 <suehle> Not a fan of the "splatter," which I usually hear referred to by a ruder nickname.
03:03:49 <nb> other was similar to https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/b/b0/Artwork_TShirt_i-f-freedom_blue.png/500px-Artwork_TShirt_i-f-freedom_blue.png
03:04:11 <nb> but it had the i <3 freedom on the front and the fedora logo on the back
03:04:18 <suehle> Maybe since it's been so long, it's time to talk to the design team about a new design.
03:04:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> I've seen people been confused by the I -f- Freedom
03:04:20 <nb> HEY!
03:04:26 <nb> Why don't we order 10 years logo shirts
03:04:38 <nb> similar to what we sent to people
03:04:41 <dan408_> yeah i always get confused questions about the i f freedom ones
03:04:53 <suehle> While I don't object, I think we do it in a small quantity. I JUST gave away the last of the splatter ones, which must be 5 years old.
03:05:08 * spot thinks we should try to run a design contest for some new shirt design ideas.
03:05:17 <dan408_> ^
03:05:18 <suehle> I don't want to be giving away 10-year shirts for the 15-year anniversary.
03:05:22 <dan408_> i was just about to say that spot +1
03:05:37 <nb> spot, good idea
03:05:46 <nb> suehle, yeah
03:06:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> good point suehle
03:06:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> I know vwbusguy has more of the i-f-freedom ones
03:06:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> so my vote is for splatter
03:07:08 * nb has almost nothing
03:07:12 <dan408_> i think we want to design a new one
03:07:15 <nb> except a couple ladies sizes
03:07:16 <dan408_> as spot said
03:07:39 <suehle> nb, what do you have in ladies? The only lady Fedora shirts I have are from events.
03:07:50 <masta> do we invoke the marketing team to design new ones, or does anybody here with an artistic side want to give it a whirl?
03:08:03 <nb> suehle, i will check and let you know
03:08:12 <masta> it would be kind nice to have a project in fedora to "design the next t-shirt" contest.
03:08:19 <suehle> +1
03:08:27 <wrnash> +1
03:08:30 <dan408_> +1
03:08:33 <award3535> +1
03:08:35 <suehle> I'll take it to the marketing team and loop in design to get it happening.
03:08:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
03:09:05 <nb> +1
03:09:50 <masta> cool
03:09:54 <dan408_> alright
03:09:59 <masta> We are about 10 past the end time
03:10:01 <dan408_> it's almost time for hockey
03:10:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> wait
03:10:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> my ticket
03:10:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> can we talk about shipping/inventory
03:10:15 <ParadoxGuitarist> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/71
03:10:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Or did I not do the ticket right?
03:10:43 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: oops... kinda skipped tickets this meeting
03:10:47 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: what was wrong with the box?
03:11:11 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: We could use a new olpc/laptop, but yeah case badges were missing for sure
03:11:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> well I just think there would be good "other stuff" to have in there
03:11:46 <ParadoxGuitarist> power strip
03:11:47 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: at one point I had the event box, and it was so full of things it would not close... so I was instructed to remove some items... and ship it.
03:12:07 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: if you have the box, give me your addr via secure channels, and I'll send you the surplus.
03:12:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> We had no banner
03:12:11 <dan408_> i dont remember what happened to the tablecloth
03:12:14 <award3535> there is a list/inventory for the boxes
03:12:15 <ParadoxGuitarist> or tablecloth
03:12:25 <dan408_> that was in texas last time i remember
03:12:38 <masta> I for sure have a power strip and misc stuff
03:12:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't mind taking that over and keeping track and prepping boxes for upcoming events
03:12:45 <masta> (came from event box)
03:12:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> at least for the west
03:12:55 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: please do
03:13:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> Is that ok with everyone?
03:13:07 <dan408_> okay with me
03:13:09 <masta> +1
03:13:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> I can get all of vwbusguy's stuff
03:13:15 <nb> dan408_, you should have a thinkpad
03:13:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> he lives a few blocks from me
03:13:23 <dan408_> nb: yeah I gave it to ParadoxGuitarist
03:13:24 <award3535> is that all boxes or just mid and west
03:13:28 <dan408_> nb: along with the OLPC
03:13:50 <nb> suehle, I have a L, XL, 2XL, 3XL in mens, and a couple Ladies XL
03:13:53 <dan408_> tablecloth and banners last time i remember Southern_Gentlem had them
03:14:15 <suehle> nb, I'd love a ladies XL next time I see you
03:14:17 <award3535> olf if I remember correctly
03:14:36 <nb> suehle, email me address? or are you going to be around when we have the FAD later this month?
03:14:48 <nb> either way.
03:15:01 <suehle> nb, I won't be in town for the FAD, but you could leave it at spot's desk or elsewhere in the tower.
03:15:11 <nb> suehle, ok, i will bring it to the FAD
03:15:27 <suehle> thanks!
03:15:29 * suehle out
03:15:30 <nb> no problem
03:15:33 <dan408_> later suehle
03:16:01 <dan408_> nb: Is the FAD going to cover any of the cloud stuff? i.e. openstack/openshift on fedora?
03:16:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> the thinkpad was given to Clint Savage to donate to a fedora contributor that needs a laptop
03:16:44 <handsome_pirate> nb:  FAD is in RDU?
03:16:47 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: Then we need a new one.. because i think that's supposed to be in the box
03:16:49 <nb> handsome_pirate, yes
03:16:57 <handsome_pirate> nb:  If so, we should totally do lunch of some such
03:17:02 <nb> handsome_pirate, sure
03:17:14 <nb> Is RDU where they have that really good barbeque place?
03:17:18 * nb wants to go back there, if so
03:17:18 <handsome_pirate> spot:  For FAD, can you secure meal tix for 9?
03:17:27 <masta> I'm heading out soon
03:17:35 <masta> somebody else mind ending the meeting?
03:17:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> dan408_: I'll work on getting a new one. that one was getting a little "iffy"
03:17:38 <handsome_pirate> nb:  Barbeque place?
03:17:43 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: Yeah I know
03:17:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm good being done
03:17:52 <dan408_> ParadoxGuitarist: Let's revisit your ticket next week
03:18:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> ok
03:18:03 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist: thx
03:18:07 <nb> handsome_pirate, i forget the name, but it had all kinds of barbeque.  we went to it at some fedora event i was at, and i think it was the infrastructure security FAD in 11/2012
03:18:12 <masta> 5
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03:18:21 <masta> #endmeeting