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02:00:10 <masta> #startmeeting FAmNA
02:00:10 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA
02:00:10 <masta> #chair inode0 nb kk4ewt
02:00:10 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:00:10 <masta> Welcome to the Fedora North America Ambassador’s weekly IRC meeting!
02:00:10 <dan408---> here
02:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb  5 02:00:10 2014 UTC.  The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
02:00:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 kk4ewt masta nb
02:00:17 <masta> #chair vwbusguy dan408---
02:00:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408--- inode0 kk4ewt masta nb vwbusguy
02:00:17 <vwbusguy> heya
02:00:41 <dan408---> im at the sushi bar
02:00:54 <masta> dan408---: yummy!
02:01:03 <kk4ewt> dan408---: geez anymore --- and you will be all the way cross the page
02:01:15 <dan408---> *throws sashimi at masta*
02:01:20 * vwbusguy looks for herlo
02:02:05 <masta> #chair kk4ewt
02:02:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408--- inode0 kk4ewt masta nb vwbusguy
02:02:09 <dan408---> kk4ewt is your screen that small? ;p
02:02:21 <kk4ewt> dan408---:  exactly
02:02:31 <dan408---> heheh
02:02:50 <wrnash1> sorry I'm late
02:03:06 <dan408---> .fire wrnash1
02:03:06 <zodbot> adamw fires wrnash1
02:03:09 * inode0 pops in, needs about 5 minutes more
02:03:35 <vwbusguy> quick, we have 5 minutes.  Let's approve the budget now!
02:03:43 <dan408---> +1
02:03:50 <masta> lol
02:03:55 <masta> #chair wrnash1
02:03:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408--- inode0 kk4ewt masta nb vwbusguy wrnash1
02:04:11 <masta> moving on
02:04:12 <wrnash1> +1
02:04:14 <masta> #topic === Announcements ===
02:04:21 <kk4ewt> Vote
02:05:07 <kk4ewt> motion same budget as last years
02:05:10 <masta> #info election season is upon us.
02:05:16 <masta> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting
02:06:00 <dan408---> yay
02:06:23 <masta> You folks have an opportunity to vote somebody from NA to FAMSCo, so that might be helpful
02:07:06 <kk4ewt> masta already have
02:07:25 <wrnash1> is there a list of people that express interest already in it
02:07:26 <dan408---> ditto
02:07:34 <dan408---> yes
02:07:34 * inode0 is back and sort of ready
02:08:20 <masta> wrnash1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections
02:08:25 <masta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections
02:08:42 <masta> any more announcements?
02:08:45 <dan408---> im running out of sushi and stomach space
02:08:56 <masta> ok, moving on.
02:08:58 * herlo needs to leave in 20ish minutes, so budget should be first.
02:09:05 <masta> #topic === Tickets ===
02:09:06 <masta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
02:09:38 <masta> .famnaticket 70
02:09:39 <zodbot> masta: #70 (SCaLE 12x Budget - Feb 21-23rd) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/70
02:09:52 <herlo> that was fast. :)
02:10:02 <vwbusguy> As you can see, the Trac budget is itemized by person
02:10:15 <masta> #topic === FAmNA ticket #70 (SCaLE 12x Budget - Feb 21-23rd) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/70 ===
02:10:21 <vwbusguy> It's a little more than last years, but we didn't have a FAD last year and it's less than some previous years
02:10:24 <masta> herlo: you have the floor
02:10:40 <herlo> my floor is that I'm the owner and am happy with this budget.
02:10:49 * herlo thanks vwbusguy for putting it together.
02:10:59 <vwbusguy> :-)
02:11:01 <kk4ewt> +1
02:11:04 <herlo> Anybody else have questions about the budget?
02:11:15 <herlo> if not, can we get some consensus on it?
02:11:21 <dan408---> +1 for scale budget
02:11:22 <inode0> yeah, of course
02:11:25 <kk4ewt> +1
02:11:33 <wrnash1> +1
02:11:44 <vwbusguy> +1
02:11:50 * inode0 wonders why there is $700 budgeted when there are $300 tickets?!
02:11:59 <vwbusguy> inode0, based on two things
02:12:26 <vwbusguy> precedence - $300 was a price quoted a couple of months ago, last year the cost was a little over $500 and it could end up being a bit higher
02:12:37 <masta> hope the flights have wiggle room for saving
02:12:42 <vwbusguy> second is douglax is checking some booth gear this year too
02:12:49 <vwbusguy> masta, that's exactly why
02:12:55 <vwbusguy> not a lot of wiggle room IMO
02:12:58 <inode0> flights have wiggle room but someone should check current costs
02:13:17 <herlo> inode0: mine hasn't changed much, and will be about the same, give or take $50
02:13:18 <inode0> only takes a couple of minutes to do that
02:13:36 * vwbusguy did check prices for herlo's today as well for the baseline
02:13:37 <inode0> yeah, I wasn't concerned with yours
02:14:09 <inode0> I'm also not clear on the room stuff
02:14:25 <vwbusguy> inode0, looking on Kayak shows I may have *underestimated* douglax's ticket actually
02:14:51 <herlo> inode0: please tell us what is not clear about the room.
02:15:02 <vwbusguy> once the reults came it, looks like $550 might be better for the ticket itself
02:15:09 <vwbusguy> I could go $600 for douglax's
02:15:15 <herlo> vwbusguy: oh, good, it's under. :)
02:15:25 <vwbusguy> which would make the flight total $900
02:15:33 <herlo> oh, :(
02:15:41 <vwbusguy> herlo, I was impatient with kayak, sorry
02:15:48 <herlo> hehe, no worries.
02:16:07 * vwbusguy notes that this assumes we get his flight in the next day or two as it will likely go up very soon
02:16:11 <inode0> he is flying from where again?
02:16:17 <vwbusguy> Chihuhua, MX
02:16:25 <vwbusguy> *Chihuahua
02:16:27 <inode0> but please update that to be closer to what is expected
02:17:13 <inode0> not going to be that much different
02:17:42 <herlo> inode0: please tell us what is not clear about the rooma.
02:17:43 <herlo> rooms
02:17:47 <masta> I like that right now it's under 3k
02:17:47 * vwbusguy updated the ticket
02:17:55 <inode0> So I think I understand most of the room business but it seems to me that 3 days should be billed to the FAD rather than here
02:18:22 <vwbusguy> inode0, if everyone is ok with possibly switching rooms after the first night
02:18:25 * herlo has no qualms with inode0's request
02:18:26 <inode0> Someone needs to make sure Ruth/Robyn know about this and can shuffle funds however are appropriate I think.
02:18:47 <vwbusguy> unless they ruth/robyn can keep it in one reservation
02:18:49 <masta> oh nice, I forgot about the FAD
02:19:13 <inode0> As long as someone does that we can go ahead ...
02:19:31 * vwbusguy notes it would only be 2.5 days/ saving
02:19:54 <vwbusguy> Paradoxguitarist is only in as half because he's brining a wife and that's why he's not sharing a room with douglax
02:19:55 <inode0> Roomsharing seems screwed up but I think I understand why
02:20:13 <inode0> it isn't about saving, it is about billing expenses to right places internally to Red Hat
02:20:26 <inode0> obviously it costs the same whichever way
02:20:35 <vwbusguy> right, but Paradoxguitarist is on the sheet for a half night the night before FAD
02:21:30 <vwbusguy> unless of course, inode0 is ok with covering the entirety of ParadoxGuitarists' room, which I have no problem with
02:21:40 <dan408---> outta sushi gotta run. ill try and hop on from home
02:21:53 <masta> so paradox is given one night stay?
02:21:59 <vwbusguy> masta, 1.5
02:22:04 <inode0> I'm not ok with us buying rooms that Red Hat would not buy for its employees - I think that is over the line.
02:22:10 <masta> .5 ?
02:22:11 <vwbusguy> masta, three night.  3/2 = 1.5
02:22:43 <masta> but hotels bill full nights... so I'm confused
02:22:59 <inode0> masta: we are paying for only half of his room since his wife is traveling with him
02:23:01 * vwbusguy doesn't know enough about RH's employee treatment, but my employer always allows private rooms, but that is another discussion
02:23:20 <masta> inode0: thanks for clarifying
02:23:31 <inode0> your employer isn't paying though (mine pays for private rooms too)
02:23:37 <vwbusguy> they are (for me) ;-)
02:23:58 <masta> RH is kinda cheap on hotels, but not like motel6 cheap
02:24:05 <vwbusguy> alright, back to budget
02:24:12 <vwbusguy> I've adjusted for the flight difference
02:24:22 <nb> hi
02:24:39 <vwbusguy> Shall I note that we're requesting 2.5 * hotel rate to be covered by FAD?
02:24:45 <masta> ok, well I'm glad we got to discuss, and I think I'm +1
02:24:51 <wrnash1> +1
02:25:02 <inode0> so we seem to be paying for herlo's full room? will your son be participating in Fedora stuff?
02:25:03 <vwbusguy> let's be sure what' we're +1'ing first
02:25:13 <vwbusguy> inode0, he has in the past, if that's helpful
02:25:30 <inode0> did herlo leave?
02:25:42 <masta> he had a 20 minute hard stop, so maybe
02:25:52 * masta notes 25 past the hour
02:26:24 <inode0> ok, well, what happened in the past doesn't help but with a commitment that he will be this year I'm ok with it with a little reluctance
02:26:49 <vwbusguy> ok
02:27:01 <inode0> given that herlo is the lead at the event
02:27:06 <masta> inode0: are you saying Herlo has no room mate?
02:27:12 <inode0> his son
02:27:13 <vwbusguy> so, witht he further that we're expecting 2.5x the hotel rate to be billed to FAD, can we approve the rest?
02:27:23 <vwbusguy> I'm +1 with that
02:27:34 <masta> hrm...
02:27:40 <inode0> douglasx has no roommate as a result of everyone else staying in singles with family
02:28:03 <inode0> so all the rooms are singles which isn't ideal
02:28:17 <chanchito> sorry im late folks, apologies!  :-)
02:28:40 <vwbusguy> really, we're conspiring so we can get a block of rooms and open the connecting doors and throw a hell of an afterpratty
02:28:45 <masta> I would much prefer room mates, fully maximized or whatever... but I'm also going to give +1... but in the future I will make sure to understand better the room-mate thing.
02:28:57 <vwbusguy> Yeah, we've roomed at least some together in the past.  It's an odd year
02:29:05 <chanchito> +1 for room mates
02:29:14 <vwbusguy> chanchito, show me how in this case
02:29:56 <chanchito> book double rooms, at a less expensive chain, and double up the occupants
02:30:15 * vwbusguy thinks chanchito needs to read the context that's he's missing here
02:30:22 <chanchito> good point
02:30:30 <inode0> I think I'll say I'm +1 with the request that Ruth is ok with it - I suspect it is ok this time but we don't want this to be the norm
02:30:32 <chanchito> i'm only seeing the last 15 lines
02:30:46 * vwbusguy understands
02:31:06 * vwbusguy also agrees
02:31:10 <masta> vwbusguy: at this stage I'm kinda disappointed, and almost would say lets have somebody else go and be your room mate... but already costs are on the higher end for this event, so ....
02:31:12 <chanchito> apologies folks!  i assumed we were voting for sharing rooms, a.k.a room mates versus single occupancy
02:31:24 <vwbusguy> vwbusguy, I'm not on Fedora's dime this year
02:31:49 <vwbusguy> masta, if you're intention is to save money, you're not making the point ;-)
02:31:53 <chanchito> same here, i book myself, my dime too
02:32:20 <nb> +1
02:32:23 <inode0> the only option here is really to not pay for 1/2 of herlo's room but if his son is going to be involved I'm ok with paying for all of it
02:32:24 <vwbusguy> chanchito, nope, we're talking about a budget for a specific event
02:32:34 <masta> +1
02:32:41 <chanchito> got'cha, let me go back and re-read the ticket first
02:32:46 <masta> I believe we have a quorum
02:32:47 <chanchito> one minute and then i can vote as well
02:33:08 * masta gives chanchito the chance to vote
02:33:24 * inode0 would like to make one comment about sponsorship but not to pick on scale
02:33:36 <masta> inode0: go ahead
02:34:13 <chanchito> ok i remember this one, the SCALE event in socal
02:34:16 <inode0> We get only a small return on sponsorships given a week before the events happen so please try to request sponsorship as early as possible so we can pay it way in advance.
02:34:16 <chanchito> +1
02:34:18 <chanchito> im on board
02:34:43 <inode0> Be listed as a sponsor from the very beginning.
02:35:11 <inode0> Actually help the event by providing the funds in time for them to use them.
02:35:51 <vwbusguy> inode0, good point
02:35:53 * vwbusguy notes it
02:36:39 <chanchito> doesn't seem expensive to me, from my perspective, will the return/exposure/interest justify the travel costs?  if so, rock and roll
02:36:44 <vwbusguy> Please see the comment I added in the ticket regarding amount to request from FAD budget
02:37:44 * vwbusguy strums some wild air guitar @ chanchito
02:37:54 <dan408__> sup people, back
02:38:10 <vwbusguy> masta, are we resolved for this item for now?
02:38:22 <chanchito> hey dan!
02:38:24 <masta> yes!
02:38:29 <vwbusguy> cool
02:38:51 * vwbusguy hands the reins back to herlo for SCaLE now going forward
02:38:57 <chanchito> yay!
02:39:02 <masta> #agree Motion to fund SCaLE passes
02:39:17 <masta> ok, moving on
02:39:18 <chanchito> LA in february, way better than new england, that's for sure!
02:39:41 <vwbusguy> L.A. is nicer weather than New England almost any time of year
02:39:44 <masta> inode0: shall we rehash ticket 69?
02:40:05 <wrnash1> what else can we say about that ticket?
02:40:15 <masta> wrnash1: =)
02:40:20 <masta> ok I'm heading for open floor
02:40:24 <inode0> no
02:40:36 <masta> ack
02:40:53 <wrnash1> can we close it
02:40:56 <masta> #topic === FAmNA: Open Floor ===
02:41:17 <inode0> it isn't resolved is it?
02:41:29 * vwbusguy thought we closed it last week
02:41:35 <chanchito> the Texas event funding is bright and early, way in advance, i'm familiar with the event, and i think its a win-win, i'm in favor of sponsoring
02:41:44 <vwbusguy> oh, wrong ticket
02:41:56 <chanchito> ticket 69 right?
02:42:07 <chanchito> ok closed, i see
02:42:11 <chanchito> open floor,
02:42:13 <dan408__> inode0, any news/plans on redhat summit?
02:42:23 * inode0 is going to be there
02:42:35 <inode0> beyond that no
02:42:48 <chanchito> skip paul had asked me and a colleague to present our satellite/spacewalk cloud solution at the summit in frisco, but the committee shot us down
02:43:09 <dan408__> so i attended "Red Hat Forum North America" and I'm able to get the early early bird price until day of or something for the RH Summit
02:43:10 <chanchito> so i may not be attending, as originally planned
02:43:13 <dan408__> through our sale person
02:43:18 <dan408__> we got a discount or something
02:43:31 <dan408__> so I'll probably be attending
02:43:44 <chanchito> the summits are a blast
02:43:47 <dan408__> we should try and get a list of Fedora peeps attending
02:43:47 <chanchito> lots of fun
02:43:51 <dan408__> go out to dinner or something
02:44:07 <chanchito> yeah good idea
02:44:11 <inode0> dan408__: if you are a customer there are ways to get a $950 rate up until the event
02:44:22 <dan408__> inode0: Yeah that's what I got
02:44:25 <inode0> ok
02:44:30 <chanchito> or even less, depends on the customer
02:44:34 <inode0> yes
02:44:43 * inode0 is a little customer
02:44:46 <dan408__> inode0: Just trying to see if there's a way I could come as a "Fedora employee" instead, just less headache for me
02:44:54 <chanchito> aaah, i see
02:45:05 <dan408__> but also want to make some kind of plans
02:45:16 <dan408__> and see if there was anything we actually wanted to do a fedora booth or what
02:45:24 <inode0> dan408__: we got some passes last year but it varies from year to year
02:45:34 <dan408__> when do you usually find out about that?
02:45:37 <dan408__> like a week before ?
02:45:40 <inode0> only Ruth or Robyn or Spot would be able to find out about that
02:45:51 <dan408__> okay I'll contact Robyn
02:46:22 <dan408__> it would be silly to not have Fedora there for a day
02:46:43 <vwbusguy> or CentOS
02:46:45 <inode0> the passes are usually limited but cover some things
02:47:01 <dan408__> i see
02:47:14 <dan408__> maybe im just better off trying to get my company to pay the fee
02:47:21 <inode0> depends on whether we are in the expo or not
02:47:44 <inode0> if you want to really attend the summit do that if you can and help out a little during it
02:47:51 <vwbusguy> it would be a nice gesture on RH's part
02:48:03 <dan408__> np inode0 I'll see what Robyn has to say
02:48:41 <dan408__> that's it for me
02:48:51 <chanchito> i found its better to have your company pay the fee
02:49:00 * nb wonders who will own SELF
02:49:03 <inode0> Summit is in April so we should start planning it.
02:49:04 <chanchito> but im not high up the food chain either
02:49:17 <dan408__> yeah of course it's better, but you know how companies can be chanchito
02:49:27 <chanchito> true, cost cutting disease
02:49:28 <inode0> No one has mentioned SELF much.
02:49:28 <dan408__> nb: i think you just volunteered. ;)
02:49:45 <nb> dan408__, i would, but I'd have to leave on saturday
02:49:52 * nb can't stay until Sunday if i went
02:50:07 <dan408__> nb: I'm just messin, relax. Good to see ya on.
02:50:38 <inode0> I'm not sure I'm up for Firestone 600/TXLF/SELF on consecutive weekends
02:50:41 <dan408__> Didnt Robyn own self last year?
02:51:05 <nb> dan408__, its ok.  I wouldn't mind owning it, but I have another commitment starting sunday (well, really monday, but i need to behome on sunday
02:51:15 <nb> dan408__, i thin kmaybe, usually her and suehle are there, and i think spot sometimes
02:51:30 <dan408__> im pretty sure that was a robyn even last year
02:51:34 <dan408__> event*
02:52:01 * vwbusguy trails off...
02:52:22 <nb> Oh, case badges
02:52:27 <nb> idk the status.  po has been started
02:52:36 <nb> i emailed ruth tonight to ask her an update
02:53:47 <inode0> Ben & Andrew did SELF according to the events page
02:54:06 <inode0> lots of Red Hat people are always there
02:54:15 <dan408__> nb: not that I need any right now but never got live media. I'll let you know if something comes up and I do
02:54:35 <inode0> So that reminds me ...
02:54:55 <inode0> If ambassadors care about the existence of live media they should pay attention and speak up!
02:55:16 <dan408__> is this in reference to that spins thread on devel?
02:55:24 <inode0> When there are conversations about promoting Fedora.next speak up!
02:55:35 <inode0> Not exclusively
02:55:38 <dan408__> ah yes
02:56:09 <dan408__> i did speak up but more from a spins maintainer perspective and less an ambassador perspective. definitely a good point. I should have definitely also spoken as an ambassador as well. my bad on that one.
02:56:29 <dan408__> inode0: Don't ambassadors have a representative in the working groups?
02:56:52 <masta> spins are good for ambassadors
02:57:01 <inode0> only by accident in some of them and I doubt they are thinking like ambassadors for the most part since they are there for other reasons
02:57:16 <masta> dan408__: I think in most of the WGs, yea
02:57:26 <dan408__> who?
02:57:42 <masta> well Christolph is on workstation
02:57:47 <nb> dan408__, if you need some, let vwbusguy know is actually the process
02:57:56 <nb> well, and file a ticket on famnarequests
02:58:09 <dan408__> nb: for sure.
02:58:11 <inode0> lots of people are ambassadors but don't directly participate as ambassadors week to week
02:58:12 <nb> masta, yeah, i think they are good for ambassadors too
02:58:24 <masta> I think somebody on the serverWG, but I forgot who...
02:58:31 * masta is on BaseWG
02:58:35 <inode0> where is the list of who is on what?
02:59:07 <dan408__> I decided not to volunteer because the meetings are at terrible times for people in california and I didn't feel like I could dedicate the time anyway.
02:59:08 <kk4ewt> spins are important to showing new people fedora without having to install
02:59:41 <kk4ewt> i do updated spins to fix issues with install problems
03:00:03 <inode0> I do think the tide is turning but there was attempted violence against spins at the fesco meeting
03:00:03 <nb> +1
03:00:36 <dan408__> kk4ewt: Yeah but inode0's point was to speak up on the devel threads about it... which brings me to my next point
03:00:55 <masta> when I'm out at events, I ask folks... "what is your favorite DE"... that leads to handing them install media
03:00:58 <dan408__> Is it me or does is anyone else seeing a really huge disconnect between most of fesco and the end user?
03:01:02 <dan408__> -does
03:01:04 <inode0> and at fesco meetings where they are seriously discussing making them remixes
03:01:48 <masta> inode0: I may have to follow fesco then.
03:02:00 <inode0> the only thing we have handed out for years has been the multi live media
03:02:00 <dan408__> And even some board members are way out of touch with end users
03:02:31 <dan408__> The people that are coming up with these crazy decisions never spend a minute in #fedora
03:03:24 <masta> spins kinda complicate the fedora.next stuff... but honestly the complications is mostly in releng, and I can say that our big concern there is storage space... which is no big deal
03:03:25 <dan408__> I was sitting in #Fedora today and it was like a Gnome 3 hate fest on gnome 3... and it wasn't started by me at all
03:03:39 <kk4ewt> masta so how have you been handing out install media when all we have produced it lives
03:03:52 <inode0> not appreciating the real world view of GNOME is curious
03:04:04 <dan408__> inode0: yup
03:04:39 <inode0> but I think overall things are looking good :)
03:04:49 <masta> kk4ewt: I give the multi live
03:04:56 <dan408__> Yeah things are getting there slowly but surely
03:05:04 <inode0> there is a lot of focus on the workstation product which isn't really the new part
03:05:24 <masta> kk4ewt: sry... I always install fedora with live discs... to me they are ambiguous
03:05:37 <inode0> the excitement I have is for everything else coming into shape
03:06:04 <inode0> our desktop/workstation/whatever is just always going to be a big fight
03:06:07 <dan408__> im still skeptical on fedora.next
03:06:32 <dan408__> i dont really see that much changing
03:06:39 <dan408__> but I would love to be proven wrong
03:07:08 <inode0> just don't focus 100% on the workstation product
03:07:17 <dan408__> oh im not
03:07:20 <inode0> and I'm sure you will see some good things
03:07:25 <dan408__> the server plans look really good
03:07:52 <dan408__> sgallaghl and mizmo seemed pretty receptive to suggestions on the server list
03:08:08 <masta> in the Base WG we want to do janitorial work... clean the crazy BRs and stuff
03:08:37 <masta> beyond that I have no idea what is going on... but I'd hate to lose spins
03:09:12 <masta> ok folks...
03:09:18 * inode0 notes tuanta and mizmo are both ambassadors on the server group
03:09:36 <dan408__> well the main point here is to make sure to be vocal on the lists
03:09:41 <kk4ewt> ALL Updated F19 Live isos are located at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins
03:10:25 <inode0> there are at least two on the cloud wg too
03:10:32 <tuanta> yup
03:10:40 <masta> we are 10 minutes past the end, because I forgot to end it before
03:10:42 <masta> my bad
03:10:51 <masta> so here we go into the count down
03:10:55 <masta> 9
03:10:56 <dan408__> no worries masta
03:10:56 <masta> 8
03:10:57 <masta> 7
03:10:59 <masta> 6
03:11:00 <masta> 5
03:11:00 <dan408__> thank you for hosting
03:11:01 <masta> 4
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03:11:09 <masta> #endmeetings
03:11:17 <dan408__> #endmeeting
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