06:02:54 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:02:54 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:02:55 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:02:55 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-01-29
06:03:00 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting?
06:03:34 <mfabian> Hi!
06:03:48 <fujiwarat> hi
06:03:50 <juhp> yes
06:03:52 <epico> hi
06:04:01 <pravins> hi
06:05:25 <skore> hi
06:05:34 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:05:40 <paragan> hi
06:05:51 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:19 <tagoh_> still TBD on f21 schedule AFAIK
06:07:31 <tagoh_> #info #29: Fedora 18 bugs cleanup (tagoh)
06:07:32 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/29
06:08:25 <tagoh_> 4 NEWs (including 3 NEEDINFOs), 1 ASSIGNED
06:09:39 <juhp> well I heard rumour that f21 schedule will be extended
06:09:55 <tagoh_> aha
06:10:14 <tagoh_> is it related to PRD planning?
06:10:19 <juhp> (haven't seen any official announcement though - so it might be incorrect)
06:10:25 <juhp> probably
06:10:43 <juhp> well fedora.next initiatives I guess
06:11:20 <juhp> so there may only be one fedora release this year perhaps if it is true
06:11:50 <tagoh_> so long delay will happens?
06:12:24 <juhp> perhaps - I haven't heard anything official
06:12:36 <juhp> but that was the impression yes
06:12:44 <tagoh_> sure
06:13:45 * juhp tries to remember where... there was some associated discussion about whether to backport gnome-3.12 to f20
06:14:28 <juhp> ah on desktop list now I remember
06:14:33 <juhp> anywya
06:14:36 <tagoh_> juhp: it was on the desktop list
06:14:43 <juhp> anyway work goes on :)
06:14:47 <juhp> right
06:15:31 <juhp> since it seems likely that f21 will ship with gnome-3.14 apparently
06:15:34 <juhp> anyways
06:16:37 <juhp> so more time for f21 development apparently is the upside
06:17:19 <tagoh_> right
06:19:55 <tagoh_> btw I'm not sure if we want to open a ticket for f21 changes tracking this time. also not sure how many changes we are planning.
06:21:18 <pravins> tagoh_: one change is which i proposed earlier
06:22:16 <tagoh_> pravins: have you done it already? or not yet?
06:22:17 <pravins> lohit fonts name change from Oriya to Odia and from Punjabi to Gurumukhi
06:22:30 <tagoh_> yes
06:22:33 <pravins> tagoh_: not yet, i thought will wait for f21 schedule
06:23:14 <tagoh_> some changes has already been proposed and published at the list. so I think you don't need to wait for that
06:24:06 <pravins> tagoh_: sure, i will do it this week
06:24:20 <tagoh_> pravins: cool. thanks
06:26:04 <tagoh_> okay, move on then.
06:26:10 <tagoh_> #info #25: Bugs Corner (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:26:10 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/25
06:26:21 <tagoh_> so do we have any bugs we want to discuss today?
06:29:36 <tagoh_> nope? then let's move on.
06:29:44 <tagoh_> #info #26: proposal: move to using IMEs for ASCII/Latin input (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:29:44 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/26
06:29:50 <tagoh_> juhp: any updates?
06:30:14 <juhp> well I had some discussion with fujiwarat and epico on it
06:30:36 <juhp> not all good news, depending your point of view :)
06:31:15 <tagoh_> sure
06:31:15 <juhp> so it seems Latin mode is a Japanese-ism - as in only used much by Japanese IMEs apparently
06:31:49 <juhp> so I need to review the summary and maybe rework some of the remaining ideas
06:31:55 <tagoh_> aha
06:32:03 <juhp> not sure how much will be left...
06:32:31 <juhp> I still think the idea is Right(tm) :)
06:32:50 <juhp> but sometimes worse is better perhaps
06:32:59 <pravins> juhp: in enhanced inscript specifications. Latin mode is implicit
06:33:11 <juhp> pravins, aha
06:33:19 <pravins> It is like one will enable Caps Lock and then Latin will start workign
06:33:20 <juhp> pravins, on which level?
06:33:23 <pravins> s/working
06:33:29 <juhp> I see
06:33:31 <pravins> 2nd Level
06:33:37 <juhp> okay
06:33:48 <juhp> but for fedora I want Latin on "level 1" :)
06:33:59 <pravins> But we have not implemented it saying, in Fedora Latin mode get enabled by control+space modifier
06:34:08 <juhp> ah..
06:34:18 <juhp> hehe
06:34:27 <pravins> keeping Latin on level one for non-english IME is not preferred
06:34:28 <juhp> yeah I remember now
06:35:12 * epico still thinks ime name + ime input mode is good. :)
06:35:18 <juhp> pravins, it could make sense on a workstation where people mostly right latin
06:35:28 <juhp> write even
06:35:55 <juhp> epico, sure if you have more than one source and gtk supported it
06:36:08 <epico> juhp, agreed.
06:36:18 <fujiwarat> BTW, Japanese is default in Windows 8 MS-IME but not Latin.
06:36:25 <juhp> fujiwarat, right
06:36:56 <juhp> well in a sense default is not that important if IM just uses last mode
06:36:57 <pravins> juhp: yeah.
06:37:16 <juhp> but currently ibus doesn't do that
06:37:59 <fujiwarat> I think MS-IME does not remember the last mode.
06:38:04 <juhp> my point is just that fedora is not really a consumer OS so the requirements might/can be different
06:38:23 <juhp> ok
06:38:33 <juhp> maybe OS X does?
06:38:41 <juhp> dunno
06:39:16 <fujiwarat> I think the default configuration is good.
06:39:55 <juhp> ok
06:40:11 <epico> fujiwarat, for Simplified Chinese I think it has Pinyin and English keyboard for default in Windows 8.
06:40:35 <fujiwarat> epico: I mean the default mode in pinyin.
06:40:51 <epico> fujiwarat, I see.
06:42:30 <tagoh_> okay, so what's the next step on this proposal? still need to continue the discussion?
06:43:47 <juhp> I will try to put some conclusions in the ticket - looking through it quickly not sure how much can be done with Latin mode
06:43:53 <juhp> without
06:44:08 <juhp> tagoh_, how do you think?
06:45:51 <tagoh_> still missing the context how to accomplish this without latin mode though, will wait for your updates on the ticket and see.
06:46:54 <juhp> I think some of the xkb simplification is still possible
06:47:00 <juhp> okay
06:47:27 <juhp> right I think no-Latin mode will simplify a lot ;o)
06:47:35 <juhp> simplify it
06:48:28 <tagoh_> right
06:48:33 <tagoh_> okay, anything else?
06:52:12 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:52:40 <tagoh_> alright, so if you have any other topics to discuss before closing the meeting
06:55:10 <tagoh_> otherwise let's stop the meeting shortly
06:57:20 <tagoh_> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:57:23 <dramsey> :)  Good meeting.  tagoh_ , thank you for chairing.  :)
06:57:31 <juhp> thanks
06:57:33 <tagoh_> #endmeeting