06:01:51 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:01:51 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:01:52 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:53 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-01-08
06:01:59 <mfabian> hi
06:02:01 <dueno> hi
06:02:02 <tagoh_> okay, shall we have i18n meeting?
06:02:09 <paragan> hi
06:02:19 <epico> hi
06:02:46 <juhp> hi
06:04:33 <skore> hi
06:05:40 <tagoh_> hi guys. let's get started then.
06:05:53 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:05:53 <tagoh_> #info 2014-01-14        f18 EOL
06:06:03 <fujiwarat> hi
06:07:12 <tagoh_> no f21 schedule decided yet. but good to submit your proposal if you are planning to make any changes in f21.
06:07:50 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:07:51 <tagoh_> #info #26: proposal: move to using IMEs for ASCII/Latin input (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:07:51 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/26
06:08:00 <tagoh_> guess no updates on this topic too?
06:08:06 <juhp> afraid not
06:08:13 <juhp> not from me anyway
06:08:32 <tagoh_> if we want to see something in f21, good to start moving anytime soon.
06:08:40 <juhp> yes right
06:09:40 <tagoh_> what's current status on this?
06:11:19 <juhp> (I just added mclasen and rtcm to the ticket as an early heads-up but we still need to talk to them)
06:11:25 <juhp> hmm
06:11:28 <tagoh_> need some feedback on the devel list?
06:11:50 <tagoh_> juhp: aha
06:12:36 <juhp> I wonder if we need to break it down more - quite a lot of ideas/material there
06:12:56 <tagoh_> right
06:13:08 <fujiwarat> I wonder if it could be an engine issue since the trigger keys are different by engines.
06:13:57 <juhp> anyway I feel it is kind of a clean up process
06:14:25 <epico> fujiwarat, maybe add a common key for the switch?
06:14:57 <epico> like ibus enable/disable key.
06:15:06 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: yes, how we decide the default hotkey would be a separate issue IMHO. I'm not even sure if we need to have common hotkey for this feature.
06:15:20 <juhp> the main thrust is more differentiation of xkb and ime's
06:15:44 <tagoh_> may need more discussion later for implementation
06:16:04 <fujiwarat> If Hangul key is used, Ctrl+space is not needed, e.g.
06:16:05 <juhp> fujiwarat, I guess this proposal is moving more towards no default switching hotkey
06:16:30 <juhp> because of less source switching
06:17:09 <juhp> but yea hotkey is one issue
06:18:11 <juhp> though hotkey is needed for us,ru etc
06:18:14 <juhp> hmm
06:18:39 <juhp> ah I think the idea was hotkey only if more than one source
06:18:51 <juhp> slowly starting to come back to me....
06:19:47 <tagoh_> good to dump the memory into the ticket before flushing :)
06:20:16 <juhp> yeah I think it is mostly there in the summary though it is a bit long :)
06:21:07 <fujiwarat> Probably it's good to have a common setting for ime keymap.
06:21:27 <juhp> aha
06:22:28 <juhp> okay I will try to kick-off some discussions on it before the next meeting
06:22:46 <fujiwarat> I think we need to choose gdk or XI2 binding for the ime trigger key.
06:23:05 <juhp> which is better?
06:23:58 <epico> fujiwarat, or use the same key of ibus switch next engine?
06:24:13 <fujiwarat> XI2 binding does not need ibus-daemon and gtk-im-modules but it does not work for VM guests.
06:25:37 <juhp> hmm
06:25:48 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844555
06:25:48 <tagoh_> what's the advantage and the disadvantage on gdk?
06:26:04 <juhp> .bug 844555
06:26:12 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 844555 RFE: new IME switcher prevents to send the key events to kvm - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844555
06:27:05 <fujiwarat> ibus 1.5 uses XI2 not to complicate ibus-daemon and implements the trigger handling in gtk status icon.
06:27:21 <juhp> is there a longer solution that could work everywhere?
06:28:33 <fujiwarat> Probably yes and I thinnk mutter and XI2 are similar.
06:29:55 <juhp> ok
06:31:23 <fujiwarat> epico: I'm not sure if it's useful. My understanding is MS Win 8 has the different keys.
06:32:47 <epico> fujiwarat, ah, I see, nice to know it. :)
06:35:22 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., I will ping phuang later.
06:35:31 <tagoh_> okay, anything else we want to discuss for this at this moment? and what's next step to do?
06:37:04 <juhp> some more public discussion I think
06:38:05 <juhp> I also forgot to discuss it this morning with fujiwarat :-/
06:39:07 <tagoh_> okay, so hope to see some updates in next meeting then
06:39:27 <tagoh_> let's move on.
06:39:31 <tagoh_> #topic New task
06:39:31 <tagoh_> #info #29: Fedora 18 bugs cleanup (tagoh)
06:39:32 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/29
06:40:03 <tagoh_> so time to clean up bugs for upcoming f18 EOL.
06:40:28 <tagoh_> 35 bugs still open for f18
06:40:47 <tagoh_> need to triage them and update bz.
06:41:11 <tagoh_> in a week I meant.
06:42:43 <juhp> 26 New bugs
06:44:13 * juhp noticed "Edit search" and wonders if it is old
06:44:52 <tagoh_> yes, and 32 bugs not having needinfo even.
06:45:49 <fujiwarat> ^gg
06:46:56 <tagoh_> going through all of them here may be too much and no time to do so. so I expect all of you to have a look at them according to your interests of the technical area.
06:47:49 <tagoh_> hope we won't miss any feedback on bz.
06:49:08 <tagoh_> any comments or concerns?
06:49:34 <juhp> +1
06:52:16 <tagoh_> alright. let's move on then.
06:52:29 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:52:41 <tagoh_> any other topics we want to discuss before stop the meeting?
06:55:49 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:55:53 <tagoh_> #endmeeting