20:11:18 <mitzie> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing Meeting 6/1/2013
20:11:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan  6 20:11:18 2014 UTC.  The chair is mitzie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:11:31 <mitzie> #topic Roll-Call
20:11:45 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis ankursinha
20:11:46 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
20:12:02 <mitzie> Hey everyone and a happy new year!
20:12:05 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:12:06 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <zacharias.mitzelos@gmail.com>
20:12:35 <roshi> Happy new year!
20:13:16 <nb> .hellomynameis nb
20:13:18 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
20:13:51 <sox3502us> hi everyone-- i'm new here, not sure if this will go right but here goes...
20:13:56 <sox3502us> .fas sox3502us
20:13:57 <zodbot> sox3502us: sox3502us 'James Lamz' <Lamzjames@gmail.com>
20:13:59 <mitzie> croberts emailed the list and informed that he won't make it
20:14:00 <sox3502us> woot
20:14:23 <mitzie> Welcome sox3502us
20:14:43 <FranciscoD> mitzie: perhaps "#info croberts sends regrets"?
20:14:53 <mitzie> why not?
20:15:00 <mitzie> #info croberts sends regrets
20:15:03 <FranciscoD> :)
20:15:11 <mitzie> #topic Fedora 20
20:15:18 <mitzie> Anything in here?
20:15:37 <mitzie> I saw the ticket Ankur opened about the press coverege in the f20 release
20:16:04 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/145
20:16:20 <sox3502us> For handling tickets do you need any particular fas permissions?
20:16:30 <mitzie> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/145
20:16:35 <roshi> That's a good page to have
20:16:38 <FranciscoD> I don't think so. As long as you can log in to trac, you should be able to access trac tickets.
20:16:44 <mitzie> sorry FranciscoD I was looking for the ticket
20:16:44 <sox3502us> ok doke
20:16:53 <FranciscoD> mitzie: I already have the trac list open :P
20:16:55 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/1
20:17:14 <mitzie> Already added one from my country, will add more at the end of the meeting
20:17:43 <FranciscoD> I need to go on a press "rampage", as I call it, too.
20:17:48 <john_terrill> I have a pretty comprehensive list together, but I'm not sure if I have wiki access
20:17:57 <john_terrill> At least the US-based press hits
20:18:09 <FranciscoD> mitzie: I wanted to ask if we need to send them to the ML, like I did for F19?
20:18:22 <FranciscoD> Or should only problematic articles be sent to the list?
20:18:32 <john_terrill> I can send it around to the list (unless Ruth already did, can't remember right off hand)
20:18:45 <FranciscoD> john_terrill: if you have an FAS account, you have wiki access :)
20:18:51 <mitzie> I don't know actually I guess just posting them on the list is ok
20:19:07 <john_terrill> ah, okay - that makes sense
20:19:23 <FranciscoD> The idea was to keep people in the loop, and point out any inaccuracies so that someone could reach out to the authors (IIRC).
20:19:55 <FranciscoD> That brings up another question: Does someone "official" have to reach out to the authors, or can anyone from the community do it?
20:20:15 <roshi> john_terrill: you also have to sign the contrib agreement I think
20:20:23 <sox3502us> I'll crawl reddit/fedora and reddit/linux later and see if any are missing and need to be added
20:20:36 <roshi> I think anyone can
20:20:42 <john_terrill> thanks - i need to sift through my notes to see if i did already
20:21:09 <roshi> It'll be be on your account homepage in fas
20:21:11 <mitzie> +1 with roshi
20:21:46 <FranciscoD> Ok. Good to know.
20:21:46 <nb> .fas john_terrill
20:21:47 <zodbot> nb: 'john_terrill' Not Found!
20:21:56 <nb> john_terrill, what is your username?
20:22:05 <john_terrill> .fas jterrill
20:22:06 <zodbot> john_terrill: jterrill 'John Terrill' <jterrill@redhat.com>
20:22:09 <john_terrill> there we go
20:22:09 <nb> .fasinfo jterrill
20:22:12 <zodbot> nb: User: jterrill, Name: John Terrill, email: jterrill@redhat.com, Creation: 2013-08-19, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:22:15 <zodbot> nb: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
20:22:21 <nb> john_terrill, yes, you have signed the FPCA
20:22:25 <john_terrill> okay great
20:22:31 <john_terrill> i can get some of these up on the wiki then
20:22:40 <mitzie> great then
20:23:10 <mitzie> anything else on F20?
20:23:40 <FranciscoD> There were a couple of tasks that are (partially) completed:
20:24:11 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/141 -> Update generic flyer
20:24:42 <FranciscoD> I updated Zolthan's flyer. It needs review before it goes up on the wiki.
20:25:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/139 -> Fedora 20 release flyer for home users
20:25:09 <FranciscoD> Also needs review
20:25:27 <FranciscoD> Once these are reviewed I'll send the ambassadors list a mail about them, so they can be used at events.
20:25:30 <jzb> FranciscoD: define "review"?
20:25:32 <mitzie> Huge +1 from me, but I don't know if I am the right guy to review it
20:25:37 <mitzie> :P
20:25:46 <jzb> FranciscoD: is there an established process? Or is anyone eyeballing it sufficient?
20:26:00 <FranciscoD> jzb: there isn't an established process as far as I know.
20:26:31 <FranciscoD> I don't know if previously flyers were reviewed at all, but I think at least one other person needs to eyeball them
20:26:38 <sox3502us> Do you just want the copy proofread?  I'm not familiar enough with Fedora to know what should/shouldn't be included but I can certainly copy edit/proofread for you
20:26:45 <FranciscoD> (Since they're going to be given out at events etc.)
20:26:59 <FranciscoD> sox3502us: There isn't a process. All comments are welcome :)
20:27:02 <jzb> FranciscoD: I don't disagree, I'm just raising the point b/c we should make it clear what that means :-)
20:27:10 <FranciscoD> jzb: aye.
20:27:25 <sox3502us> exactly-- like the technical accuracy etc. would not be something I can comment on just yet :)
20:27:27 <FranciscoD> We could have a sort of process if needed. I think it just hasn't come up yet.
20:27:43 <jzb> can we get four or five volunteers that we can assign the ticket to when something like that is finished?
20:27:53 * jzb isn't sure if you can assign a ticket to multiple people.
20:27:57 <FranciscoD> I haven't had time to do the flyer for developers yet -> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/140
20:28:14 <FranciscoD> jzb: I think you can CC multiple people, but not assign them.
20:28:34 <FranciscoD> We could have a "needs-review" flag + report if that'll make things easier
20:28:43 <mitzie> Why don't we sent it in the list so everyone can comment?
20:28:56 <jzb> FranciscoD: that would be great
20:29:00 <jzb> mitzie: I think that happened
20:29:05 <jzb> mitzie: and ... it just fell on the floor
20:29:15 <FranciscoD> :D
20:29:20 <jzb> mitzie: one of my favorite sayings "when everyone is responsible, no one is responsible."
20:29:30 <FranciscoD> ++
20:30:09 <mitzie> oh, I guessed I missed that mail
20:30:20 <mitzie> true, jzb
20:31:12 <FranciscoD> I also noticed that the "fedora cheat cube" is outdated. It isn't up to date to include info on firewalld and systemd
20:31:15 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/308
20:31:41 <FranciscoD> I wasn't entirely sure who's responsible for the cheat cubes. I guess we could do the updating too.
20:32:15 <FranciscoD> Yikes. Looks like that one was already filed: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/267
20:32:18 <jzb> FranciscoD: who did them initially?
20:32:35 <FranciscoD> jzb: not entirely sure. Looking.
20:33:16 <FranciscoD> Were uploaded to the wiki by nushio: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fedora_Cheat_Cube_Users.svg&action=history
20:33:24 <FranciscoD> s/Were/Was/
20:33:29 <roshi> sorry, was distracted installing hw
20:33:36 <roshi> what are we looking for volunteers for?
20:33:42 <FranciscoD> The design doesn't need tinkering with, it's the text that needs to be updated.
20:35:00 <jzb> FranciscoD: how out of date is it? Just one or two things, or severely?
20:36:03 <jzb> and do we have a standard cheat-sheet or just the cube?
20:36:14 <FranciscoD> jzb: Enough that they shouldn't be given out to users. I haven't made a list of the exact changes needed.
20:36:34 <FranciscoD> We don't have a cheat sheet as far as I know.
20:36:56 <jzb> I'm probably not going to have time in the nearish future to do that. Anyone want to run with it?
20:37:56 <FranciscoD> Not sure how many cycles I'll have too. If I find nothing to do, I'll do it.
20:38:15 <mitzie> unfortunatelly I am very busy till May
20:38:34 <jzb> mitzie: dang
20:38:42 <jzb> mitzie: that's quite a while :-)
20:38:54 <FranciscoD> There are also tickets for a "cloud & virtualization" and "server" flyers. Don't think they're ready yet.
20:39:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/136 , https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/137
20:39:23 <mitzie> ofcourse I have time for the project, but for tasks like these (which I am not very familiar with gimp) it's kinda hard :(
20:39:46 <FranciscoD> That's all I have from the "goodies for ambassadors" ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/138
20:39:49 <jzb> FranciscoD: I finished a virt flyer for LinuxCon but probably could be revisited.
20:39:56 <mitzie> yeah jzb, reading again my sentence it sounds a lot :P
20:40:05 * jzb isn't a huge fan of flyers tbh
20:40:32 <mitzie> I have some plans for the magazine for now
20:40:32 <FranciscoD> s/flyers/flyers that need constant updating/ for me.
20:40:49 <jzb> FranciscoD: well, they need constant updating + people ask for them, take them, and then... rarely read them.
20:41:12 <FranciscoD> jzb: we could do away with them if we have other thingys to give out..
20:41:14 <jzb> at least in my experience. Flyers are one of those things everybody says they want, but they don't get used nearly as often.
20:41:32 <FranciscoD> I wonder if thats a "too much text" thing.
20:41:35 <sox3502us> agreed. flyers don't have much value. you look at them once and then punt them
20:41:50 <jzb> What about bookmarks?
20:41:56 <Southern_Gentlem> nb yes i think we should have flyers that can be printed if the event owner wants them
20:42:01 <sox3502us> perhaps something more functional -- bookmarks is a good idea
20:42:20 <jzb> if we had a Fedora bookmark that had URLs to main pages for downloads, etc. ?
20:42:24 <sox3502us> maybe with some general features and a couple of easy to follow url?
20:42:28 <Southern_Gentlem> nb like me i can print 10 per day
20:42:48 <jzb> one side could be the four F's, the other could be some URLs to more info.
20:43:03 <FranciscoD> jzb: sox3502us : sounds good!
20:43:15 <roshi> like a mini paper ad
20:43:21 <roshi> instead of something with a bunch of info
20:43:22 <sox3502us> right
20:43:30 <sox3502us> but make it look kind of nice so people actually use it and keep it around
20:43:35 * nb thought about getting some printed by FAmNA to ship places
20:43:35 <nb> since we seem to have extra budget to spend
20:43:45 <sox3502us> no one keeps a flyer
20:44:21 <Southern_Gentlem> nb myself i think printing them is a waste because next release its a huge waste
20:44:35 <sox3502us> if you did something that was not release specific
20:44:36 <FranciscoD> We'll need to file a ticket with the design team to start with
20:44:37 <sox3502us> would be even better
20:44:39 <roshi> we have budget?
20:44:44 <jzb> Southern_Gentlem: indeed. So bookmarks could be around a long time.
20:44:44 <roshi> and extra, at that?
20:44:57 <FranciscoD> sox3502us: Southern_Gentlem there is a generic flyer thats release independent
20:44:57 <sox3502us> bookmark or something with the four f's on the front and the URL's that dont change on the back would carry over from release to release
20:45:01 <Southern_Gentlem> jzb i was referring to the flyers
20:45:04 <sox3502us> oh thats good
20:45:11 <sox3502us> a non-release specific flyer could be ok
20:45:28 <FranciscoD> sox3502us: we have that
20:45:37 <Southern_Gentlem> but as someone who deals with the event boxes they are a PITA
20:46:20 * mitzie is reading because he was away for a sec
20:46:43 <FranciscoD> Could someone please file a ticket with design for the bookmarks?
20:46:50 <sox3502us> need to drop off, will read the meeting log later.  I'll sign up to help keep an eye out for news articles and to help proof-read copy for whatever. (non-technical though, not up to speed yet enough to weigh in there)
20:47:12 <sox3502us> thanks all
20:50:27 <jzb> FranciscoD: I guess I'll take bookmarks
20:50:44 <FranciscoD> jzb: great :)
20:50:49 <jzb> #action jzb file ticket for Fedora bookmark with design folks.
20:51:01 <jzb> do we have anything else? We're about 10 minutes away from the 1-hour mark.
20:51:01 <FranciscoD> jzb: can non chair people use these commands?
20:51:10 <jzb> FranciscoD: I dunno. :-)
20:51:13 * FranciscoD has nothing
20:51:14 <mitzie> yeap!
20:51:15 <roshi> nope
20:51:20 <jzb> FranciscoD: someone want to chair me, pls?
20:51:23 <FranciscoD> jzb: I guess we'll find out XD
20:51:24 <roshi> you have to chair people for commands
20:51:26 * nirik wonders what the status is on images on fedoramagazine?
20:51:26 <FranciscoD> mitzie: ^
20:51:42 <roshi> it's generally a good idea to chair someone else in case you drop connection :)
20:51:45 <mitzie> #chair jzb FranciscoD
20:51:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD jzb mitzie
20:51:49 <roshi> otherwise things get stuck til you get back
20:52:05 <FranciscoD> we just chair *everyone* during apac meetings, just to be sure :P
20:52:20 <jzb> #action jzb file ticket for Fedora bookmark with design folks.
20:52:22 <mitzie> roshi true, I always did that but I hadn't chair a meeting for some time now
20:52:22 <FranciscoD> I have nothing else, we can move on to magazine tasks
20:52:25 <jzb> FranciscoD: that's usually how we do it.
20:52:36 * FranciscoD sees nirik just asked a question about it
20:52:37 <jzb> FranciscoD: go for it.
20:53:26 <FranciscoD> I don't know much about the workings of the magazine. Someone who knows more will have to answer that :/
20:53:34 <FranciscoD> #chair roshi nirik nb
20:53:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD jzb mitzie nb nirik roshi
20:53:38 <mitzie> fire it up!
20:53:50 <roshi> CHAIR ALL THE THINGS!
20:54:12 <mitzie> xaxa :P
20:54:15 <jzb> nirik: I think that croberts sent a note about this to the list just before the meeting.
20:54:31 <nirik> yeah... just wondering if there was any eta, etc? several folks have asked about it.
20:54:39 <jzb> nirik: "The only thing I have to bring up though is that the Fedora Magazine will be working shortly I have identified the issue with the migration and now am just working through fixing it."
20:54:48 <jzb> nirik: so... shortly is the ETA.
20:54:59 <nirik> ok, cool.
20:55:07 <mitzie> yeah nirik, I spent like 3 days on Christmas to fix it
20:55:09 <mitzie> but no luck
20:55:30 <roshi> is croberts the only on with the keys to the magazine?
20:55:42 <mitzie> no roshi, several people have access
20:55:50 * roshi wasn't sure
20:55:54 <jzb> mitzie: what's the actual issue you're struggling with?
20:56:05 <mitzie> We could shutdown the magazine till it's done, because it doesn't look nice
20:56:11 <mitzie> The issue with the pictures
20:56:23 <roshi> the banner?
20:56:41 <jzb> ahah
20:56:51 <nirik> it's all images... perm denied
20:56:56 <roshi> was it ever discovered if it was that plugin or the mix of plugins we use?
20:56:58 <mitzie> you can't view any pictures in the front page (nowhere actually) and you can't upload new
20:56:58 <roshi> ah
20:57:39 <mitzie> We haven't touched a thing after the migration, just the update to the new wordpress update, which after it everything was the same
20:58:08 <mitzie> Although I noticed it after I returned from holidays
20:58:25 <nirik> it may need fixing in the git repo, not via wordpress... dunno tho
20:58:33 <mitzie> I kow what is causing it, but I haven't find a way to fix it
20:59:04 <jzb> mitzie: what's causing it?
20:59:31 <jzb> mitzie: just wrong perms on the uploads directory?
20:59:32 <mitzie> I searched the problem and I found out that wordpress doesn't have the correct permissions on the media folder
20:59:41 <mitzie> you got it
21:00:01 <mitzie> ftp'ed on the magazine but no luck after changing the permissions
21:00:20 <jzb> mitzie: what'd you ftp to?
21:00:49 <mitzie> to the magazine app, to correct the directories permissions
21:00:59 <FranciscoD> I remember setting it up on my host, but the service provider had "softaculous" that set it all up
21:01:39 <mitzie> yeap, with cpanel is sooo easy ;)
21:01:51 <FranciscoD> ++
21:04:02 <jzb> OK, anything else?
21:04:06 <mitzie> Anyway we will see what croberts will find out
21:04:43 <FranciscoD> Not from me.
21:05:02 <mitzie> one sec pls
21:05:42 * roshi has nothing
21:05:56 <mitzie> We also have a plugin for daily backups but had problem to set it up on the new site (conflict ip) -- Anyway contacted support and 'unlocked the account' so we can set it up again once everything is ready
21:06:13 <mitzie> *and they unlocked the account
21:06:15 <FranciscoD> #info cheat cubes need updating
21:06:25 <jzb> mitzie: have we asked in #openshift about this permissions issue?
21:07:07 <mitzie> Nope.. But that's actually a wordpress thing, cause I found the same problem in other wordpress forums
21:07:51 <mitzie> we have nothing to lose although
21:07:57 <mitzie> I'll talk to them
21:08:09 <jzb> mitzie: ok, right now?
21:08:13 <jzb> mitzie: or in May? ;-)
21:08:56 <mitzie> Don't get me wrong mate, this is the busiest time for me in the next 6 years!!! (right now ofcourse)
21:09:16 <jzb> mitzie: next six years?
21:09:20 <jzb> interesting.
21:09:40 <jzb> I always think I'm busy, and somehow I wind up finding ways to be busier.
21:10:09 <jzb> but, anywho - I think we're out of topics? Shall we adjourn and go forth to get things done?
21:10:29 <mitzie> I think so
21:11:24 <mitzie> So see you all next Monday same time
21:11:25 <jzb> mitzie: you want to do the honors?
21:11:35 <mitzie> #endmeeting