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01:00:01 <masta> #startmeeting FAmNA
01:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 28 01:00:01 2013 UTC.  The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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01:00:01 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA
01:00:01 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
01:00:09 <dan408> oh what a douche
01:00:16 <masta> Greetings
01:00:27 <award3535> you already know I am here
01:00:36 <masta> Welcome to another weekly FAMNA meeting
01:00:38 * inode0 waves
01:00:38 <dan408> thats my roll call
01:01:00 <dan408> i guess we are OFFICIALLY alternating then
01:01:11 <award3535> ??
01:01:14 <masta> sry... I did not know you wanted to chair dan408
01:01:25 <dan408> no i just showed up here 30 minutes ago
01:01:49 <dan408> its cool
01:01:53 <masta> #chair award3535 dan408 inode0
01:01:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 masta
01:02:16 <masta> Anybody else lurking?
01:02:21 <dan408> ur mom
01:02:24 <dan408> #chair rbergeron
01:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 masta rbergeron
01:02:31 <dan408> #chair Southern_Gentlem
01:02:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408 inode0 masta rbergeron
01:02:41 <dan408> #chair FranciscoD
01:02:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408 inode0 masta rbergeron
01:03:18 <masta> #topic === Announcements ===
01:03:36 <dan408> Announcement: I got Fedora 19 media
01:03:48 <dan408> #chair nb
01:03:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Southern_Gentlem award3535 dan408 inode0 masta nb rbergeron
01:03:59 <masta> I believe the big f20 Freeze is upon us
01:04:00 <award3535> I did also ty nb
01:04:23 <dan408> f20 is frozen yes
01:04:30 <dan408> it's like half rawhide
01:04:36 <masta> dan408: branched, not yet frozen
01:04:43 <nb> award3535, do you think that will be enough media?
01:04:47 <nb> I still need to send you shirts
01:04:58 <dan408> masta it's a little past "branched"
01:05:04 <dan408> SHIRTS
01:05:07 <dan408> I WANT SHIRTS
01:05:13 <dan408> HOW MUCH FOR A SHIRT
01:05:15 <award3535> nb: i hope so, but I can produce some if needed
01:05:30 <nb> award3535, if you think you will need more, i can send you more
01:05:35 <dan408> nb i NEED a shirt
01:05:46 <dan408> i've been living in a shirt for the last 2 months
01:05:51 <nb> dan408, then file a ticket
01:05:59 <dan408> sir yes sir
01:06:03 <masta> #topic === Tickets ===
01:06:03 <masta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:06:41 <masta> .famnaticket  59
01:06:42 <zodbot> masta: #59 (Puppetconf 2013 08/22/2013-08/23/2013) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/59
01:06:51 <dan408> got report from rbergeron
01:06:55 <dan408> everything went well
01:07:06 <dan408> she was happy that more people are running Fedora
01:07:19 <dan408> instead of coming to the table "Oh fedora.. I run ubuntu"
01:07:29 <dan408> so puppetconf was good
01:07:36 <masta> great, so this ticket is pending closure on the report
01:07:48 <dan408> also I think she is getting Ruth to order another table cloth and banners
01:07:53 <dan408> just close it
01:07:54 * inode0 doesn't think a report is needed to close it
01:07:59 <masta> #info Awaiting event report
01:08:04 <dan408> ill close it
01:08:21 * inode0 is about to revolt about reports anyway
01:08:29 <dan408> inode0: +1
01:08:30 <masta> .famnaticket 63
01:08:31 <zodbot> masta: #63 (LINUXCON Budget Request) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/63
01:09:04 <award3535> I think we are about set on linuxcon, still waiting on swag
01:09:11 <masta> #topic #63 - LINUXCON Budget Request
01:09:21 <inode0> I think the budget request can have the meeting tag removed
01:09:27 <inode0> it was all approved wasn't it?
01:09:36 <award3535> +1 and yes it was
01:09:56 <masta> award3535: this one is soon to be upon us in 3 weeks, right?
01:10:02 <award3535> yes
01:10:07 <dan408> what's with the weird space invader icons on trac?
01:10:19 <award3535> we have hotel resv and travel is set up
01:10:45 <masta> #action remove meeting tag on #63 - all approved in prev meetings
01:11:02 <dan408> i can do that now
01:11:04 <dan408> im here
01:11:05 <masta> award3535: so you just need the last bits of swag, right?
01:11:20 <dan408> oh award3535 did that
01:11:21 <dan408> coo
01:11:21 <award3535> masta: that is correct
01:11:52 <dan408> it's still showing up in the report
01:11:53 <dan408> odd
01:12:10 <masta> award3535: ok great, give us an update when you are 100% ready - maybe next meeting
01:12:26 <award3535> rgr
01:12:33 <masta> .famnaticket 64
01:12:34 <zodbot> masta: #64 (OLF Budget Request) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/64
01:12:54 <masta> #topic #64 - OLF Budget Request
01:12:59 <dan408> ok gone now
01:13:02 <dan408> must be firefox
01:13:15 <inode0> what are you talking about?
01:13:16 <masta> Southern_Gentlem: anything to chat about regarding OLF?
01:13:24 <dan408> inode0: firefox sucking.
01:13:38 <dan408> masta: wasnt someone supposed to contact jdulaney?
01:13:54 <masta> dan408: somebody should talk to him
01:14:03 <dan408> he was on today
01:14:13 <dan408> ugh
01:14:18 <dan408> how do i get ops in here
01:14:36 <inode0> come back in another life :)
01:14:40 <dan408> hes not on any channels
01:14:43 <dan408> i sent him a pm
01:14:47 * masta pinged jdulaney
01:14:53 <dan408> inode0: you and your wit
01:15:06 <inode0> dan408: just answering your question
01:15:14 <dan408> inode0: i am in another life
01:15:22 * inode0 can't even get ops in #fedora-ambassadors
01:15:35 <dan408> inode0: we should talk to nirik about that
01:15:47 <masta> ok so Southern_Gentlem and Mr. Dulaney are absent, we will move on... if they come alive we may opt to return to this ticket later.
01:15:48 <dan408> inode0: is the a spotpolicy?
01:15:54 <dan408> that*
01:16:16 <nb> dan408, spot is the freenode group contact
01:16:20 <nb> so he'd be the one to talk to about getting ops
01:16:24 <dan408> wrong
01:16:36 <masta> can somebody remind me, did we approve Jdulaney's travel request?
01:16:38 <dan408> zodbot can handout ops
01:16:43 <inode0> masta: we did
01:16:47 <masta> I believe we did, though not sure he is aware
01:16:49 <dan408> or fedbot
01:16:50 <dan408> or whoever
01:16:55 <nb> dan408, if zodbot is an op, but zodbot is not an op in here or in #fedora-ambassadors
01:16:58 <nb> nor is fedbot
01:17:14 <masta> #info Jdulaney was approved for travel at last meeting
01:17:18 <masta> ok moving on
01:17:21 <dan408> nb: well we should go through proper "channels"
01:17:25 <award3535> ty
01:17:26 <dan408> ;)
01:17:30 <inode0> good luck
01:17:36 <masta> .famnaticket 65
01:17:37 <zodbot> masta: #65 (Software Freedom Day (Dallas)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/65
01:17:41 <nb> all it takes to get ops in here is getting spot, gregdek or nirik to add people
01:17:45 <nb> but we can talk about this later
01:17:45 <masta> ok folks this one is mine
01:17:46 <nirik> I'm happy to help folks get things done, see me in #fedora-admin.
01:18:00 <masta> #topic #65 SFD
01:18:04 <dan408> nb: right i said nirik
01:18:19 <dan408> nirik: thanks after the meeting
01:18:21 * nirik hasn't seen any need for ops in here in years.
01:18:22 <masta> #info nb sent swag for SFD
01:18:31 <dan408> nirik: wanted to invite
01:18:53 <masta> mostly just keeping the ticket on the meeting agenda so next month we can sort out the logistics of the event box goign from event to event
01:19:12 <dan408> thanks nirik
01:19:20 <masta> moving right along
01:19:34 <masta> #topic == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair?  ==
01:19:37 <nirik> dan408: you can send a handy message to whoever... "hey, can you join #fedora-meeting"... should work just dandy. ;)
01:19:45 * masta nominates dan408
01:19:54 <dan408> nirik: i did
01:20:03 <dan408> masta: you ruined my cycle
01:20:10 <dan408> but ok
01:20:12 <dan408> ill chair
01:20:49 <masta> #topic == OPEN FLOOR ==
01:21:08 <dan408> so last week i suggested shaking things up in FAmNA
01:21:24 <award3535> ......go on
01:21:38 <dan408> and i was going to write something up but i realized it's not inline with the fedora vision
01:21:59 <dan408> okay
01:22:02 <dan408> 2 things for sure
01:22:15 <dan408> 1) secession from FAMSCo
01:22:34 <dan408> 2) Better reimbursement/budget handling
01:22:48 <dan408> discuss
01:22:49 <masta> dan408: you mean I cannot become the dictator anymore, even if you folks vote me to be dictator?
01:22:58 <dan408> well
01:23:04 <dan408> i had this written up
01:23:11 <award3535> secession is such a powerful word, separation move away
01:23:12 <dan408> (which is INCOMPLETE)
01:23:27 <dan408> award3535: they do nothing for us and we manage ourselves
01:23:55 <award3535> Oh I agree, but is there a problem with reimbursments?
01:24:11 <dan408> http://fpaste.org/35327/65304213/
01:24:19 <dan408> award3535: yes and purchasing
01:24:35 <award3535> I have had no problems with getting reimburse
01:24:37 <dan408> i wrote that up last week and thought about how wrong it is
01:24:41 <masta> I talked with EMEA LATAM at Flock and liked those folks alot... too bad we are not represented in the umbrella org
01:24:45 <dan408> award3535: others have
01:25:01 <dan408> masta: its better that way
01:25:18 <dan408> we have no FAmNA ambassadors in FAMSCo they are irrelevant to us
01:25:36 <award3535> hmmm I have had good luck and no issues, but okay, I have always completed what is required of me
01:25:55 <dan408> award3535
01:25:58 <masta> We sat down and decided our budget without them, so I'm wondering how they are in regards to reimburstments
01:26:00 <inode0> well, just because we don't have any members doesn't mean anything to me
01:26:16 <dan408> okay please speak inode0
01:26:38 * nb heard inode0 was having a problem?
01:26:40 <nb> inode0, +1....... actually christoph said that they wish there was someone from NA on famsco
01:26:43 <inode0> I mean for years APAC did not have members but FAmSCo did work to help APAC get going
01:27:09 <inode0> The original idea was all FAmSCo members represented all ambassadors
01:27:20 <inode0> That should still be the way it works
01:27:29 <dan408> i thought lines 7-12 were out of line
01:27:41 <dan408> because we should be autonomous
01:27:55 <inode0> forget titles - and hierarchy
01:28:00 <inode0> stick with mayhem
01:28:00 <dan408> exactly
01:28:15 <dan408> that's exactly what i realized inode0
01:28:15 <award3535> but does the FAmSCo truly represent all of us?
01:28:21 <dan408> award3535: no.
01:28:33 <dan408> they dont steer us
01:28:38 <dan408> we know what we need to do
01:29:13 <dan408> i think there's more of a problem of procurement, shippin the boxes from here to there all the time
01:29:21 <award3535> bear with me  I am still learning the inner workings of what we do, stepping on toes is not what I do
01:29:27 <dan408> people doing events often should just have their own boxes
01:29:40 <dan408> award3535 you have been great
01:29:57 <dan408> i think we need to make it more attractive to BE an ambassador
01:29:58 <award3535> I do atleast 3 events every year TLF, SELF and ILF
01:30:03 <inode0> so lately what has been done that has helped FAmNA is budget shifting - especially unspent budget but that was probably mostly done behind FAmSCos back a bit
01:30:03 <inode0> I am not sure I know what we need to do, I sense us floundering now but I don't get much bearing from FAmSCo either.
01:30:07 <dan408> why would anyone want to BE an ambassador?
01:30:27 <inode0> they get to hang around with Southern_Gentlem?
01:30:30 <nb> dan408, i think they should be an ambassador becaue they want to promote fedora, not because of what they get
01:30:34 <award3535> Well, lets see how I got started
01:30:47 <award3535> I am a user and enjoy the product
01:31:04 <award3535> I loved the product and started distribution of same
01:31:10 <dan408> nb: i want to promote fedora, but i like to be able to go to events that are relevant to my career and meet people
01:31:21 <nb> true
01:31:36 <dan408> nb: according to Robyn im doing my job since a lot less ubuntu people than last year at puppetconf
01:31:39 <award3535> I thought I would try the ambassador program and I absolutely love what I do, I have met and worked with
01:31:56 <award3535> wonderful people involved in the project
01:32:00 <dan408> i think the answer is more swag more freedom to do things the way we want to
01:32:14 <dan408> i think one of the problems is budgeting
01:32:23 <dan408> we are way too tight with it
01:32:39 <dan408> shipping has been a problem but it's been getting done
01:33:00 <dan408> nb what would we do without you or Southern_Gentlem ?
01:33:04 <masta> I'm here for selfish reasons... to use the ambassador program as a way to show off ARM boards running fedora
01:33:07 <dan408> god forbid you got hurt like me?
01:33:20 <award3535> I even give media away to my coworkers who abosultely enjoy the product. that is why I continue to be an ambassador\
01:33:32 <nb> dan408, then vwbusguy or Southern_Gentlem would cover my area.......
01:33:48 <dan408> award3535: me too i wanted f19 media just to give to people at work
01:33:50 <nb> like what we did when vwbusguy was not available much
01:34:03 <dan408> nb
01:34:15 <dan408> when im able to move around again i want to help with shippin
01:34:31 <dan408> i also want to figure out a way to recruit people. technical people.
01:34:39 <award3535> if I am not mistaken I am the only on down here in the deep south (ambassador that is) that is involved and promoting the product
01:34:40 <dan408> nb how can you promote something you know nothing about
01:35:02 <dan408> it's like trying to buy a ferrari from a ford focus car salesman
01:35:31 <inode0> award3535: StabbyMc is there too but mostly promotes it in non-event ways of late
01:35:55 <dan408> nb you are a skilled sysadmin highly involved in many parts of fedora. you make a perfect ambassador
01:36:13 <dan408> same goes for me and others
01:36:24 <award3535> I agree dan408, he is a valuable individual
01:36:49 <dan408> this is the problem with mark. he knows nothing technical
01:37:10 <inode0> are we going back to why we are seceding from FAmSCo?
01:37:20 <dan408> would you like to?
01:37:24 <award3535> please
01:37:29 <dan408> okay
01:37:30 <award3535> I am all ears
01:37:34 <dan408> so should we vote?
01:37:36 <inode0> yes, I'd like a case made that doesn't have anything to do with Mark
01:37:38 <dan408> and get it over with?
01:37:45 <masta> no vote tonight
01:37:49 <dan408> okay
01:38:00 <inode0> I haven't heard a reason to bother at this point
01:38:10 <dan408> #action everyone read up on FAMSCo and think about if we really need them
01:38:14 <inode0> How does FAmSCo hinder FAmNA?
01:38:28 <dan408> inode0: they dont help.
01:38:30 <inode0> How would FAmNA benefit by seceding from FAmSCo?
01:38:41 <inode0> So ignore them and what does it matter?
01:38:53 <dan408> isnt that what we do alread?
01:38:57 <inode0> Like you do with the Fedora Board :)
01:39:05 <masta> I'll probably go for FAMSCO next cycle now that I've met some of the people in there at this past Flock... but yeah I'munsure the purpose of FAMSCO except to have meetings on irc
01:39:21 <dan408> Mission
01:39:21 <dan408> To provide the governance and support structure necessary to assist and enable Fedora Ambassadors worldwide.
01:39:21 <dan408> Goals
01:39:22 <dan408> Manage the grow the Fedora Ambassadors project through mentoring.
01:39:22 <dan408> Enable local regional leaders as much as possible. Push resources and accountability to the edges of the project.
01:39:22 <dan408> In accordance with the process for sponsoring event attendees, ensure that event reports are written, and that people who receive funding are held accountable.
01:39:22 <dan408> Establish metrics for determining the value of different events and initiatives, and allocate resources accordingly.
01:39:23 <dan408> Manage a global events & swag budget.
01:39:23 <dan408> Resolve any disputes that arise within Fedora Ambassadors.
01:39:24 <dan408> Acknowledge that the Ambassadors mailing list is one of the largest concentrations of non-native English speakers within Fedora, and make policy as clear and simple as possible.
01:39:37 <dan408> do we need extra governance?
01:39:43 <dan408> besides from the board?
01:39:55 <dan408> are they growing FAmNA? No.
01:40:17 <masta> dan408: if we are not working with FAMSCO now... what is the point of breaking away... when in effect we have already?
01:40:26 <dan408> so if inode0 is the local reional leader, are they enabling you as much as possible?
01:40:34 <inode0> well, FAmNA isn't currently the place that most needs attention either
01:41:17 <dan408> where are the metrics from famsco piublished?
01:41:23 <dan408> looks like they stopped https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FAmSCo
01:41:24 <inode0> no, they annoy me almost every time I deal with them because they ask me to do things I don't want to do - but that might still be good for the entire organization
01:41:39 <dan408> Manage a global events & swag budget., where is that?
01:41:52 <dan408> Resolve any disputes that arise within Fedora Ambassadors <- hah
01:42:08 <dan408> Acknowledge that the Ambassadors mailing list is one of the largest concentrations of non-native English speakers within Fedora, and make policy as clear and simple as possible. <- list is dead
01:42:20 <inode0> Ok, please
01:42:33 <dan408> inode0, so you are saying they are not enabling you the local regional leader?
01:42:36 <inode0> They have dealt with disputes that were quite unpleasant
01:42:59 <inode0> They have dealt with the swag budget although in the new model they are mostly bypassed now
01:43:14 <dan408> okay
01:43:19 <nb> they used to micromanage everything for regions other than NA, but they recently stopped micromanaging it
01:43:30 <inode0> The ambassador list and irc channel are both underused I think
01:43:37 <dan408> then i dont know what the hell they are doing
01:43:53 <inode0> they have mostly left us alone to do our thing
01:44:09 <dan408> well lets discuss the other end of the argument
01:44:13 <nb> recently they have been bitching about NA not reporting what we are spending to them
01:44:16 <dan408> maybe we do need a little more of a push?
01:44:38 * handsome_pirate shows up late
01:44:41 <handsome_pirate> Apologies
01:44:50 <dan408> handsome_pirate 2 mins
01:44:54 <masta> handsome_pirate: hiya
01:45:11 <handsome_pirate> I was out of the house
01:45:15 <dan408> nb: so is that bitching warranted?
01:45:27 <dan408> nb: granted that is part of their "job"
01:45:31 <nb> yeah
01:45:51 <handsome_pirate> So, I tried to put as much into the ticket as I could
01:45:53 <masta> handsome_pirate wait a few minutes so we can loop back around to OLF
01:45:54 * nb guesses it kind of is? but no one has really said how it is suposed to be reported
01:46:08 * handsome_pirate wonders what the current topic is
01:46:08 <nb> and we don't really have a list of every little thing we have spent that i know of
01:46:17 <nb> handsome_pirate, FAmSCo
01:46:35 <nb> and the proposal for FAmNA to secede
01:46:40 <dan408> nb: i see a lot of I don't know and a lot of undefined beaurcratic bullshit
01:46:48 <nb> dan408, yeah
01:46:55 <inode0> complaining about us not reporting is a crock if you ask me - I've explained over and over why we can't do what they want
01:47:09 <nb> inode0, yeah
01:47:23 <handsome_pirate> nb:  Wait, secede?  As in become our own thing?
01:47:23 <dan408> so #1 they dont do everything they're supposed to
01:47:38 <dan408> #2 they dont help where they are needed
01:47:38 <nb> handsome_pirate, yes, as in us not being accountable to FAmSCo
01:47:38 <inode0> handsome_pirate: when haven't we been our own thing?
01:47:51 <handsome_pirate> inode0:  True
01:47:54 <inode0> have you ever asked FAmSCo for anything?
01:47:57 <dan408> so lets make it official
01:48:00 <handsome_pirate> inode0:  Nope
01:48:14 * nb wonders what rbergeron and suehle think about this
01:48:30 <nb> since rbergeron could just say "no" and stop it should she choose to, since FPL has the ultimate veto
01:48:30 <dan408> i think robyn wouldnt care
01:48:39 <inode0> But I'm still not clear on there being much benefit to this to us and it could harm others indirectly I fear
01:48:58 <award3535> lets not bite the hand the feeds us, I think we should ask around a bit more
01:49:07 * nb wonders if it might be best to continue in our current course of just ignoring FAmSCo
01:49:07 <dan408> they dont feed us
01:49:07 <masta> I tend to agree with inode0 on this
01:49:11 <dan408> that's the point award3535
01:49:26 <dan408> nb: inode0 has pondered the same
01:49:27 <inode0> When latam and apac needed help from outside those regions it was nice that people on FAmSCo from NA and EMEA could help
01:49:46 * handsome_pirate is in support of ignoring FAmSCo
01:49:59 <dan408> inode0: well if FAmNA was better structured we wouldnt need help
01:50:22 <inode0> it is about us providing help, not needing help
01:50:34 <dan408> but they dont provide any right now
01:50:48 <inode0> not to us but we don't need help
01:50:54 <inode0> they are providing help to others
01:51:10 * masta is all for helping folks in other regions, if FAMSCO is the vehicle of doing such help... then.....
01:51:12 <dan408> i think there is roo for improvement but im a perfectionist so just ignore me
01:51:15 <inode0> APAC and LATAM are in far better position than they were a few years ago
01:51:18 * masta si run for FAMSCO next cycle
01:51:45 <masta> ok folks... enough of this FAMSCO rant
01:51:48 <dan408> okay so maybe
01:52:04 <dan408> everyone think about it, vote next week, or continue current course of ignoring them
01:52:09 * inode0 thinks it is good to air this unhappiness - get it out in the open
01:52:10 <masta> nothing useful is being done here now, so I want to circle back around to the ticket #64
01:52:29 <masta> handsome_pirate: thanks for joining
01:52:31 <dan408> hold on im finishing up masta
01:52:45 <masta> dan408: this matter is done
01:52:52 <masta> dan408: bring it up next meeting
01:52:54 <dan408> punt to next week +1 or continue current course -1
01:53:04 <dan408> +1
01:53:13 <award3535> +1
01:53:22 <handsome_pirate> +1 punt
01:53:38 <masta> handsome_pirate: (aka jdulaney) you were approved for travel to OLF in the last meeting
01:53:41 <dan408> inode0 nb ?
01:54:00 <inode0> sorry, just a sec
01:54:05 <dan408> k
01:54:12 <handsome_pirate> masta:  Aye, so Ben said
01:54:17 <masta> handsome_pirate: please make whatever travel arrangements you need
01:54:24 <nb> +1
01:54:35 <inode0> +1 to continue the current course for one more week :)
01:54:42 <handsome_pirate> masta:  A reply on the ticket to that would be helpful
01:54:47 <dan408> #agreed punt FAMSCo discussion to next week
01:55:07 <masta> handsome_pirate: it was recorded in the irc log last week, but yea.. somebody can update the ticket
01:55:20 <handsome_pirate> masta:  Also, note I shortened the time, only need hotel for two nights, $212 pluss tax and whatnot
01:55:40 <handsome_pirate> Unless I can room with someone
01:55:42 <dan408> thanks everyone for listening to my proposal
01:55:45 <masta> handsome_pirate: thanks
01:56:29 <masta> ok folks - let us bring this meeting to close
01:56:40 <dan408> No
01:56:40 <handsome_pirate> masta:  What about hotel?
01:56:56 <dan408> masta we have 4 more minutes to argue
01:57:00 * handsome_pirate notes you stated I was approved for travel
01:57:27 <dan408> yeh masta you must get the handsome_pirate the finest boat of the sea
01:57:49 <inode0> handsome_pirate: you should be able to attend the whole event - just minimize costs for us
01:57:54 <masta> handsome_pirate: my feeling is that the hotel was approved, talk to Ben for details
01:58:16 <handsome_pirate> inode0:  I'm not going to because of new job
01:58:27 <handsome_pirate> That I start that week
01:58:43 <inode0> well, ok if that is your choice - we are willing to cover the whole event
01:59:12 <handsome_pirate> I am not sure how much choice I have.
01:59:14 <inode0> if you can only attend part that is fine too - we'll still cover you
01:59:20 <handsome_pirate> Thanks
01:59:20 <masta> handsome_pirate: I'm glad we were able to send you to talk about Fedora =)
01:59:40 <masta> one minute warning
02:00:18 <award3535> good night all
02:00:30 <masta> #endmeeting