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01:01:51 <dan408> #topic Roll Call
01:01:53 <award3535> here
01:01:59 <StabbyMc_> is here
01:02:07 * kk4ewt 
01:02:07 * inode0 waves
01:02:17 <dan408> #chair award3535 StabbyMc_ rbergeron inode0 kk4ewt
01:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: StabbyMc_ award3535 dan408 inode0 kk4ewt rbergeron
01:02:39 <dan408> #chair masta
01:02:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: StabbyMc_ award3535 dan408 inode0 kk4ewt masta rbergeron
01:03:16 <dan408> hello everyone
01:03:19 <dan408> thanks for making
01:03:21 <dan408> it
01:03:53 <dan408> how was flock everyone?
01:04:25 <inode0> distant
01:04:28 <dan408> ditto
01:04:38 <kk4ewt> wished i was there
01:04:44 <dan408> any one else here? any late bloomers?
01:05:01 <dan408> #chair nb
01:05:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: StabbyMc_ award3535 dan408 inode0 kk4ewt masta nb rbergeron
01:05:08 <dan408> alright then
01:05:32 <dan408> #topic Tickets
01:05:45 <dan408> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:06:00 * masta is here
01:06:09 <dan408> no you're not
01:06:19 <dan408> anywayws we have a lot of tickets up there
01:06:24 <dan408> let's start with puppet conf
01:06:48 <dan408> .famnaticket 59
01:06:49 <zodbot> dan408: #59 (Puppetconf 2013 08/22/2013-08/23/2013) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/59
01:07:13 <dan408> so rbergeron, samkottler and a few others should be in town for this
01:07:26 <dan408> I will try and maek it out myself but no guarantees
01:07:28 <kk4ewt> banners and tablecloth otw
01:07:43 <dan408> sending them to rbergeron?
01:07:54 <dan408> i cannot handle them
01:07:54 <kk4ewt> yep to the address she gave me
01:07:58 <dan408> awesome
01:08:13 <dan408> i have pens and stickers
01:08:15 <dan408> no media
01:08:16 <dan408> um
01:08:22 <dan408> the basics
01:08:39 <masta> so puppet con is this week?!
01:08:44 <dan408> as long as im sitting i should be able to run the booth
01:08:46 <dan408> yes
01:08:53 <masta> omg... this ticket is kinda late
01:08:56 <award3535> cool good luck
01:09:06 <dan408> no it's been there for weeks just not on the agenda
01:09:11 <dan408> moving ono
01:09:13 <masta> oh
01:09:21 <dan408> .famnaticket 63
01:09:22 <zodbot> dan408: #63 (LINUXCON Budget Request) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/63
01:09:42 <dan408> linuxcon this is inode0 and award3535
01:09:45 <dan408> updates?
01:09:53 <inode0> not inode0
01:09:56 <award3535> rsuehle changed our room for cheaper rates 89 per night
01:10:03 <kk4ewt> we have some issues here
01:10:04 <dan408> ok you're just cc'd
01:10:14 <award3535> kk4ewt go
01:10:25 <dan408> bring em up kk4ewt
01:10:34 <kk4ewt> OLF is 913-915
01:11:04 <dan408> welll where is jdulaney
01:11:04 <kk4ewt> so if rbergeron  can hand carry the tablecloth and banners they can be there on the 16th
01:11:34 <award3535> that sounds good, I will just need some media and a swag
01:11:39 <dan408> im starting to think we need another tablecloth
01:11:43 <kk4ewt> linuxconf is 9-16-18
01:11:50 <kk4ewt> dan408:  we have one
01:11:57 <dan408> ok
01:12:04 <award3535> I will be there the evening of the 15th
01:12:10 <inode0> please someone go buy a new one
01:12:19 <kk4ewt> its just not able to travel at moment
01:13:25 <dan408> can someon add the dates of linuxcon to the ticket please
01:13:26 <award3535> if rbergeron is able to bring them, again all I will need is media and swag sent to me
01:14:04 <kk4ewt> nb do you have that in the works
01:14:52 <award3535> dan408 I just added the dates
01:14:58 <dan408> and the webpage for linux conf please
01:15:46 <dan408> nevermind
01:15:47 <award3535> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxcon
01:15:47 <dan408> i found it
01:15:49 <masta> so OLF and Linux Con are very near one another
01:15:55 <dan408> i dont see Fedora as a sponsor
01:16:04 <dan408> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america
01:16:26 <kk4ewt> masta yep
01:16:41 <masta> does OLF need the event box?
01:16:49 <masta> does LinuxCOn need event box?
01:16:55 <award3535> that would be in rbergerons and rsuehle's court
01:16:56 <masta> (lets talk logistics)
01:17:07 <kk4ewt> masta thats what we already did
01:17:10 <dan408> #action linuxcon and OLF ambassadors to coordinate logistics
01:17:31 <masta> ok... so whoever has the eventbox at LinuxCon... send to Me plz
01:17:46 <kk4ewt> masta it wont be there
01:18:15 <inode0> we have three event boxes, surely one can be sent to masta
01:18:22 <dan408> didnt ohio just have a linux fest?
01:18:25 <award3535> we have all signed up as non profit attendees/sponsors, dont know if any thing else has happened
01:18:25 <award3535> the requests are in for all
01:18:25 <award3535> but if the table cloth and banners can get there, I will use my personal machines if needed
01:18:40 <kk4ewt> inode0:  yes
01:18:50 <kk4ewt> but not by way of linuxconf
01:18:59 <dan408> maybe i got confused with award3535's event a few weeks ago
01:19:20 <award3535> ILF was last month
01:19:30 <award3535> and the box went to kk4ewt
01:19:32 <dan408> k
01:19:36 <StabbyMc_> rbergeron: there's a pile of T400s and other boxes in RDU, any chance of them getting repurposed to stock eventboxes, or do you have interest in that and I can start chasing it down?
01:20:02 <kk4ewt> can we stay on one topic at a time
01:20:14 <dan408> StabbyMc_ save for open floor
01:20:27 <dan408> i dont think rbergeron is even around
01:20:55 <award3535> if rbergeron agrees to carry the banners and cloth to linuxcon, all I will need to media and swag, I can use
01:21:02 <dan408> okay you guys are grown ups an can coordinate
01:21:05 <award3535> personal pc's for the evetn
01:21:31 <award3535> no problem
01:21:34 <dan408> quite frankly ticket 64 belongs in famarquests
01:21:42 <dan408> .famnaticket 65
01:21:43 <zodbot> dan408: #65 (Software Freedom Day (Dallas)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/65
01:21:47 <inode0> yes
01:21:53 <masta> that is my ticket
01:21:56 <dan408> okay this event belongs to masta
01:22:07 <dan408> what do you need masta
01:22:18 <masta> ok so I want the table cloth for SFD, or even the whole event box...
01:22:28 <dan408> okay
01:22:33 <masta> I've got most of what I need except media
01:22:35 <dan408> who has the midwest event box
01:22:42 <dan408> seems like NO ONE hsa media
01:22:45 <kk4ewt> i do
01:22:53 <kk4ewt> dan408:  stop that
01:22:53 <dan408> except shippers
01:23:49 <masta> so for my ticket I've got a request tied in to have media shipped to me, and I'll bug my regional shipper person about that.... my main area of interest is getting the event box... which OLF and LinuxCon the week prior it looks logisticly challenging.
01:23:51 <award3535> I have no media either....
01:24:13 <dan408> award3535 no media, masta no media, me no media, who else is missing media
01:24:27 <kk4ewt> dan408:  so you dont like the job that regional shippers are doing fine i quit
01:24:38 <dan408> calm down
01:24:43 <dan408> no one is blaming you
01:24:47 <kk4ewt> no enough of this BS
01:24:48 <masta> award3535: assuming you get the table cloth, I'd like you to ship that to me... I can have NB or kk4ewt (of whoever) print you a ship label
01:25:08 * masta has media
01:25:16 <masta> abotu 30 pieces of media
01:25:21 <masta> got at flock
01:25:26 <kk4ewt> masta and we will ship you media
01:25:30 <dan408> 30 pieces of media will be gone in an hour
01:25:30 <award3535> Masta; no problem when would you need it by
01:25:49 <kk4ewt> award3535:  drop ship from NO
01:25:52 <masta> award3535: I'd liek you to ship from the hotel before you check-out
01:26:19 <masta> award3535: or visit the nearest UPS store or whatever
01:26:29 <dan408> okay
01:26:38 <dan408> so masta is covered
01:26:42 <award3535> masta; what ever you need
01:26:47 <dan408> award sounds like you're covered
01:26:50 <masta> award3535: thanks
01:26:51 <dan408> thank you kk4ewt
01:26:51 <kk4ewt> everyone will be covered
01:26:54 * masta high fives award3535
01:27:07 <dan408> and thank you award3535
01:27:21 <award3535> masta that of course hinges on what I get logistically
01:27:38 <dan408> unless anyone has anything else i'd like to move to open floor for the next 30 minutes
01:27:48 <inode0> OLF?
01:27:53 <kk4ewt> yes i have something
01:27:58 <dan408> go
01:28:07 <kk4ewt> we need to deal with olf NOW
01:28:25 <dan408> proceed kk4ewt
01:28:35 <masta> award3535: if you dont' get the table cloth (via Robyn hand carry lugage) then I'll get Dan to ship it to me from puppet land
01:28:50 <kk4ewt> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2013
01:28:51 <masta> kk4ewt: agree
01:28:52 <dan408> masta it will be tough for me to ship
01:28:55 <kk4ewt> masta no you wont
01:29:17 <masta> kk4ewt: lets talk OLF right now... i'd say that is the big topic this meeting
01:29:23 <kk4ewt> masta if rbergeron cant carry i will ship it to you
01:29:29 <kk4ewt> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2013
01:29:29 <masta> kk4ewt: how are we looking on the budget for OLF ?
01:29:40 <dan408> #topic OLF
01:30:07 <kk4ewt> ok we have an approved budget of up to 2k
01:30:26 <masta> kk4ewt: can we afford to send JDulany to talk?
01:30:41 <inode0> we can, we just need to work it out
01:30:43 <kk4ewt> we have a request from john dulaney  to go as a speaker
01:31:04 <kk4ewt> first we need to find out when he is scheduled to talk
01:31:26 <kk4ewt> i dont see a need to send him for 4 nights at this point if we can do only 2
01:31:28 <dan408> +1 kk4ewt
01:31:40 <award3535> +1
01:32:16 <masta> seems reasonable, but if we can afford him an extra night or two... staying inside budget that is fien by me too
01:32:17 <kk4ewt> i can see 3 nights not 4 (thursday,fri,sat)
01:32:19 <masta> so +1
01:32:54 <kk4ewt> i just got my reservation today for the drury myself
01:32:57 <award3535> kk4ewt do you still have my cell number?
01:33:07 <kk4ewt> award3535:   probable
01:33:13 <dan408> isnt this suehle's department?
01:33:21 <kk4ewt> dan408:  no
01:33:23 <award3535> do you need me to send it again
01:33:29 <kk4ewt> this is our department
01:33:32 <masta> we have three +1's
01:33:34 <masta> quorum?
01:33:41 <dan408> so we manage our own budget?
01:34:12 <kk4ewt> i think we can do the whole event for 1500 instead of the 2k
01:34:12 <dan408> so if someone is having issues getting reimbursed it's not a suehle problem?
01:34:21 <kk4ewt> dan408:  stay on topic
01:34:25 <dan408> i am
01:34:29 <kk4ewt> no you are not
01:34:36 <kk4ewt> you are going off on tangents
01:34:43 <dan408> no it's a very important question
01:34:48 <dan408> please answer
01:35:07 <kk4ewt> dan408:  we have to pass a budget for her to spend the money where we say
01:35:09 <award3535> I have had no problems with reimbursements
01:35:16 <dan408> ok thanks
01:35:32 <kk4ewt> dan408:  who said anything about reimburstments above
01:35:47 <dan408> nobody in the meeting, outside the meeting someone mentioned it
01:36:10 <kk4ewt> so tonight i want to set the budget, for $1500 for now
01:36:22 <award3535> kk4ewt; for logistics call me this week
01:36:22 <masta> that sounds great
01:36:54 <kk4ewt> but if needed it may go back to the 2k if we have to
01:37:13 * inode0 would like to make a comment here
01:37:22 <dan408> go inode0
01:38:12 <inode0> If we can afford $1K to send someone to help three others with a booth in NO we can afford sending Dulaney to OLF for the entire event.
01:38:30 * inode0 has no problem bumping the OLF budget up to accommodate that
01:39:39 <award3535> inode0 who else is attending in NO
01:40:11 <masta> inode0: put into perspective that makes sense
01:40:42 <masta> LinuxCon expenses have been significantly reduced...
01:40:46 <award3535> I agree, since right now I only know of myself and 3 RH people
01:40:57 <masta> not sure anybody noticed but the hotel costs have been halved
01:41:00 <inode0> which is what I said
01:41:11 <award3535> yes we moved to a cheaper place
01:41:31 <inode0> let's not go back to this debate, it was decided
01:41:50 <inode0> I'm just saying in light of that I want to support a speaker at OLF that costs less.
01:42:29 <masta> yeah.... we should be promoting speakers
01:42:38 <inode0> We can move money since we aren't buying any swag or banners or tablecloths anyway.
01:43:37 * inode0 moves we bump for now the OLF budget to $2500
01:44:09 <award3535> +1 from me
01:44:30 <kk4ewt> i dont see we need it but +1
01:44:38 <inode0> OLF can always not spend it
01:44:55 <inode0> But there isn't any reason to feel budget constrained
01:45:39 <dan408> ok so are we set on $2500 for OLF?
01:45:46 <dan408> +1 from me
01:46:29 <dan408> time guys
01:46:40 <award3535> open floor
01:46:46 <dan408> wait
01:46:55 <dan408> what amount did we agree upon for OLD
01:46:58 <dan408> OLF
01:47:01 <inode0> can we approve dulaney in some form tonight so he knows?
01:47:03 <dan408> $1500 2000 or 2500
01:47:12 <dan408> okay
01:47:13 <dan408> punt
01:47:20 <dan408> moving on
01:47:25 <inode0> $2500 for the OLF budget was approved
01:47:29 <dan408> okay
01:47:38 <masta> I'd rather say we bump the linuxcon budget
01:47:42 <dan408> #agreed $2500 for OLD Budget was approved
01:47:43 <kk4ewt> inode0:  and that is with jdulaneys request
01:47:43 <masta> but whatever...
01:47:48 <inode0> How much did dulaney ask for?
01:47:53 <dan408> who cares
01:47:56 <dan408> ON WARDS
01:48:08 <dan408> #openfloor
01:48:14 <kk4ewt> 300 for plane and 4 nights
01:48:14 <dan408> #topic open floor
01:48:27 <dan408> okay
01:48:28 <inode0> so around 700 I hope
01:48:37 <dan408> i have an issue I would PERSONALLY like to bring up
01:48:45 <award3535> go
01:48:59 <dan408> if anyone hasn't noticed inode0 hasn't been running the meetings for the past weeks
01:49:23 <award3535> ok, what is going on
01:49:29 <dan408> reimbursement
01:49:52 <dan408> i know this isnt my business but I dont feel like this is right
01:49:53 <inode0> well, I am not boycotting running the meetings for any reason other than I am tired of doing it every week
01:50:01 <dan408> okay
01:50:08 <dan408> so we need to discusss a hierarchy change
01:50:21 <masta> ok...
01:50:23 <dan408> we cant have *insert yourname here* every meeting announcement
01:50:30 <masta> I propose we ellect masta dictator
01:50:34 <inode0> yeah, that is bad
01:50:36 <dan408> +1
01:50:54 <award3535> so what was the problem with reimbursements
01:51:02 <inode0> I could go back to picking kings
01:51:10 <dan408> so masta and I have been having each other's backs running the meetings
01:51:19 <dan408> with kk4ewt as a gracious backup
01:51:30 <dan408> im going to write up a plan
01:51:35 <kk4ewt> dan408:  so do we need to make change ?
01:51:40 <dan408> yes.
01:51:52 <kk4ewt> what change do you propose to make
01:52:19 <dan408> i will write up a a proposal, send it to you masta, inode0 and ultimately rbergeron for review
01:52:41 <inode0> well this is intriguing
01:52:48 <masta> just elect me dictator and be done
01:52:58 <dan408> stop it
01:53:15 <inode0> just execute the coup without being so nice about it
01:53:29 <dan408> i propose fasmco be disbanded
01:53:39 <award3535> what plan, what does it include, who does it effect
01:53:52 <dan408> if affects everyone hopefully positively
01:53:56 <dan408> make things easier
01:54:03 <kk4ewt> LOL
01:54:24 <masta> I'm all for intriging coups... but I've got to go put by child to sleep...
01:54:27 <kk4ewt> dan408:  so how is famsco helping or stopping us in anyway
01:54:27 <masta> nini all
01:54:28 * masta &
01:54:38 <dan408> kk4ewt: they arent
01:54:43 <dan408> that's the problem
01:54:49 <kk4ewt> so why worry about that them
01:54:58 <dan408> don get stuck on that
01:55:08 <inode0> there is more to the plan?
01:55:10 <dan408> let them manage EMEA, and APAC
01:55:12 <dan408> yes
01:55:22 <kk4ewt> they do
01:55:29 <dan408> I would like to have somehwat of a hierarchy somewhat similar to the board
01:55:39 <inode0> so we aren't disbanding famsco, we are seceding from famsco governance?
01:55:45 <dan408> yes.
01:55:55 <award3535> humm
01:55:57 <dan408> disband, secede, whatever you want to call it
01:56:15 <award3535> isnt that what egypt is doning now
01:56:25 <dan408> we are perfectly find managing ourselves
01:56:35 <inode0> we always have
01:56:52 <dan408> well lets make it official
01:56:53 <award3535> i think we do well togehter
01:56:54 <kk4ewt> dan408:  write it up, send it to all NA ambassadors for a vote
01:57:06 <dan408> kk4ewt: thank you
01:57:13 <inode0> this will be fun
01:57:18 <dan408> I would like to have kk4ewt and inode0 as the senior members
01:57:20 <kk4ewt> if you can get 75% then we can move forward
01:57:23 <award3535> well, I wont get it, for some reason I dont get the emails any more
01:57:41 <kk4ewt> award3535:  check you fas account setting
01:57:53 <dan408> award3535: ill create a ticket, email it, create a wiki page and we'll vote here in the meeting
01:57:59 <kk4ewt> nope
01:58:02 <award3535> kk4ewt, done that several times
01:58:16 <dan408> i have to think very long and hard about this but it's been pissing me off
01:58:20 <award3535> submitted trouble ticket still no answer
01:58:20 <kk4ewt> it has to go to ALL NA ambassador
01:58:23 <inode0> ask someone in #fedora-admin to help you track down the problem
01:58:31 <kk4ewt> including Canada
01:58:39 <dan408> LOL CANADA
01:59:05 <dan408> 2 more mintues
01:59:35 <dan408> kk4ewt inode0 do you have anything to add besides this sounds interesting. this i dont want to be this a  power grab by myself
01:59:37 <StabbyMc_> inode0: you sent me an e-mail a while back, now that work has calmed down, I'll be working on it.
01:59:50 <dan408> just want to make things better
02:00:21 <dan408> okay we are over time
02:00:22 <award3535> I dont care either way, just as long as we continue to promote fedora
02:00:28 <inode0> Honestly I think FAmSCo has never had much to say about NA and probably never will
02:00:32 <dan408> #action dan408 to write up a plan
02:00:49 <dan408> award3535: that's the plan sir, just with less red tape.
02:00:50 <inode0> It is largely a function of our proximity to so many Red Hat people.
02:00:59 <kk4ewt> dan408:  to be truthfully i think your making things better will actually get the true powers that be pissed off at us and throttle the whole project
02:01:21 <dan408> kk4ewt: then you get to read the proposal first
02:01:48 <inode0> I mean FAmNA has as long as I've been around worked directly with Red Hat folks regarding budget stuff, not with FAmSCo.
02:01:52 <dan408> kk4ewt: there's a lot of things i dont understand, i.e. budget so im going to need your help
02:02:42 <award3535> budget is always painful, never easy
02:03:08 <dan408> point made
02:03:11 <dan408> we are over time
02:03:14 <dan408> thanks all
02:03:31 <dan408> #endmeeting