01:00:02 <masta> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 10 01:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:03 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:03 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:06 <award3535> present 01:00:12 <dan408_> hi 01:00:23 <rbergeron> hi 01:00:28 <award3535> evening dan 01:00:35 <dan408_> good evening 01:00:46 <masta> #chair rbergeron dan408_ award3535 01:00:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408_ masta rbergeron 01:00:54 <masta> howdy folks 01:01:10 <masta> hope everyone is doing well 01:01:19 <award3535> doing great.... 01:02:26 <masta> ok well lets get going 01:02:37 <masta> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:22 <award3535> for anyone interested please add yourselves to the SELF page if you plan on attending 01:03:46 <masta> #topic === Tickets === 01:03:46 <masta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:04:14 <masta> .famnaticket 50 01:04:16 <zodbot> masta: #50 (LinuxFest NorthWest 2013, Apr 27-28, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/50 01:04:24 * inode0 arrives fashionably late 01:04:26 <rbergeron> woo, that's mine 01:04:41 <rbergeron> I have nothing, but i need to request the box to get shipped to me at my hotel, which i do'nt yet have booked. 01:04:48 <rbergeron> since they don't take packages onsite. 01:04:55 <rbergeron> and the banners. 01:04:59 <masta> rbergeron: maybe we can ship to duncan? 01:05:22 <masta> he mentioned being handy for that event I do believe 01:05:33 <masta> right? 01:05:43 <masta> but hotel is coolio 01:05:44 <award3535> sounds good 01:05:46 <rbergeron> masta: yes, he lives locally; spevack does as well 01:06:24 <rbergeron> i will look into that, probably easier to arrange than dealing with hotel people 01:06:27 * j_dulaney waves 01:06:28 <rbergeron> which usually goes mysteriously 01:06:33 <masta> I've never recieved anything at a hotel so my risk aversionis higher, but it sound slike a great idea it it works 01:06:43 <masta> uh typos 01:06:56 <dan408_> they just ship it to the hotel in your name. 01:07:08 <rbergeron> (and then the hotel loses it) 01:07:28 <award3535> thats par for the course 01:07:48 <dan408_> neat 01:07:50 * j_dulaney wonders what ticket it is 01:07:56 <masta> oops 01:07:57 <dan408_> SELF 01:08:18 <j_dulaney> Ah 01:08:25 <rbergeron> no, LFNW 01:08:33 <masta> #topic Ticket 50 - #50 (LinuxFest NorthWest 2013, Apr 27-28, Bellingham, WA) - FAmNA general trac ttps://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/50 01:08:35 <rbergeron> :) 01:08:41 <dan408_> oh 01:08:45 <masta> sry about that j_dulaney 01:09:14 <dan408_> you need famnapac box for that? 01:09:37 <masta> ok so the take away here is to ping duncan, is that jduncan on irc? failling that ship to the hotel? 01:09:39 <dan408_> it's kind of.. you know. 01:10:06 <rbergeron> no, davdunc - and then i will ping spevack, then hotel. 01:10:18 <masta> ok I'll action that 01:10:21 <rbergeron> dan408_: will need box + banners, need to know what's in the box currently as far as stuff 01:10:24 <award3535> sounds like a plan 01:10:45 <rbergeron> and will need to get shipping labels to send them back to whereever 01:10:48 <award3535> I thought we had two boxes? 01:10:51 <dan408_> rbergeron: vwbusguy has the banners, also waiting on f18 media from him. 01:11:05 <masta> #action - rbergeron to ask davdunc and/or spevack abotu maybe reciging the booth-box kit, else ship to hotel. 01:11:06 <rbergeron> dan408_: I have media, i can bring that 01:11:12 <masta> #undo 01:11:12 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x297e4050> 01:11:15 <dan408_> i mean for myself. 01:11:18 <dan408_> and the box. 01:11:31 <masta> #action - rbergeron to ask davdunc and/or spevack about maybe recieving the booth-box kit, else ship to hotel. 01:11:49 <rbergeron> dan408_: ack. but if you don't get media in the meantime i will bring some. 01:12:33 <rbergeron> I think that covers that. 01:12:35 <dan408_> thanks, i will update both tickets 01:12:42 <dan408_> so just fyi he has the tablecloth and the banners 01:12:49 <dan408_> we have no olpc or laptop or media for the box 01:12:50 <masta> .famnaticket 54 01:12:53 <dan408_> just to double clarify 01:12:53 <zodbot> masta: #54 (Southeast Linux Fest Budget) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/54 01:12:55 <dan408_> EOF 01:13:02 <rbergeron> christ, okay 01:13:17 * rbergeron goes to get food 01:13:22 <masta> #topic #54 (Southeast Linux Fest Budget) - FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/54 01:13:25 <inode0> someone official and scary should ask for the laptop back 01:13:36 <masta> inode0: +1 01:13:50 <dan408_> inode0: im not "official" 01:14:03 <masta> nor scary 01:14:12 <dan408_> hey! 01:14:16 <award3535> Please update the SELF page if you plan on attending 01:14:27 * j_dulaney shall do so 01:14:33 * j_dulaney haz a car! 01:14:36 <dan408_> rbergeron thinks im scary 01:14:44 <j_dulaney> And, it's only 2.5 hours drive 01:15:03 <award3535> j_dulaney, its 5 for me 01:15:29 * j_dulaney is in NC 01:15:44 <award3535> GA southeast tip 01:16:09 <masta> =) 01:16:09 <masta> award3535: soo.... SELF! 01:16:09 <masta> looks like sELF has good coverage 01:16:10 <masta> we need people to give talks 01:16:11 * j_dulaney will need to find a room mate 01:16:16 <award3535> j_dulaney: looking forward to working with you again 01:16:18 <j_dulaney> Talks are closed 01:16:25 <dan408_> im pretty sure Southern_Gentlem will probably be there.. correct me if im wrong 01:16:25 <j_dulaney> Talk submission 01:16:28 <j_dulaney> Closed Monday 01:16:43 <award3535> yes you are correct southerngentleman will be ther 01:16:48 * j_dulaney had thought about it, but then realized it was missed 01:16:56 <masta> j_dulaney: plz add yoruself to the wiki event page if you plan to attend 01:17:10 <masta> #info the event page 01:17:15 <masta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2013 01:17:32 * j_dulaney is doing so 01:17:37 <award3535> I will need some help at the booth 01:17:42 * inode0 submitted talks, waits to hear 01:18:35 <masta> award3535: any other things for SELF? 01:19:06 <award3535> nothing else at the moment, still working on the Wiki updates, and budget 01:19:18 <award3535> bronze level paid last week 01:19:34 <masta> great! 01:19:34 * j_dulaney will need room sponsorship 01:19:40 <award3535> just need to get attendees nailed down 01:19:45 * j_dulaney is trying to find a roomee 01:20:09 <award3535> j_dulaney, put the room on the page for part of the budget 01:20:44 <masta> ok then, moving on 01:20:45 * j_dulaney is going to do so as soon as he figures out cost for said room 01:20:53 <masta> #topic == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair? == 01:21:31 <masta> how will be our next victim? 01:21:40 <masta> err... who.... who will be our next victim 01:22:01 * masta is always happy 01:22:05 <award3535> +1 01:22:20 <dan408_> not it 01:22:37 <award3535> ???? 01:22:57 <masta> ok, I'll do my best to be online at the same bat time, bat channel... 01:23:13 <masta> #info masta most likely the next chair 01:23:17 <award3535> I will be happy to once I learn all the commands 01:23:30 <masta> #topic == Open Floor === 01:23:31 <dan408_> just read the logs 01:23:45 <dan408_> from a meeting inode0 has done 01:24:00 <masta> yea... do read any of mine or dan's meeting logs..... 01:24:08 <masta> /do/dont/ 01:24:08 <award3535> ok 01:24:21 <inode0> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/04/09/fedora-board-fedora-userbase-discussion/ 01:24:21 <masta> ;) 01:24:36 <inode0> I'd love some feedback from ambassadors 01:26:01 <masta> whoa! 01:26:07 <masta> that's a big topic 01:26:20 <award3535> this will take some time to digest 01:26:25 <inode0> ok, I'd love ambassadors to start thinking about this :) 01:26:29 * dan408_ was there and made his opinion 01:27:30 <award3535> was this part of FADNA 01:27:40 <dan408_> no 01:28:11 <nb> rbergeron, could you email markdude and ask for the laptop back? 01:28:20 <dan408_> and olpc 01:28:27 <nb> maybe since you are FPL he will respond? 01:30:08 <dan408_> ok so if that's it for today i gotta get going 01:30:34 <dan408_> have an event to attend 01:30:46 <masta> dan408_: thanks ! 01:30:50 <inode0> one more thing 01:30:50 <award3535> I am just reading the FBFU link 01:30:54 <masta> dan408_: see you next week 01:30:57 <dan408_> see ya 01:31:10 <award3535> have a good evening dan 01:31:25 <inode0> We have funds available now to take care of any infrastructure or swag items we'll be needing 01:31:27 <dan408_> award3535: you too 01:31:34 * j_dulaney is trying to find how much it costs to park at the hotel for SELF 01:31:42 <inode0> what we need is people willing to do the wrangling to make it happen 01:31:50 <masta> inode0: I'd love to start trolling about what I love abotu fedora for my own selfish reasons, but I suppose we need to really look hard at who the commutity is these days.... is does seem to change of the years 01:31:58 <dan408_> inode0: "wrangling"? 01:32:01 <award3535> j_dulaney: was 10 per day last year 01:32:04 <rbergeron> nb: yes 01:32:19 <inode0> wrangling means making the arrangements 01:32:35 <dan408_> you mean "work"? 01:32:40 <rbergeron> ie: figure out what swag to get and how to get the design 01:32:42 <rbergeron> yes :D 01:32:54 <masta> inode0: does infrastructure include adding some computer boards to the event boxes? 01:32:56 * dan408_ makes a "face" 01:33:08 <masta> ARM boards 01:33:19 <inode0> masta: don't limit yourself to thinking about the existing community, the community can grow in new directions 01:33:26 * masta wants to get more ARM things out there 01:33:44 <j_dulaney> Ouch 01:33:51 <inode0> masta: yes, infrastructure would be anything that goes to and from events 01:34:00 * j_dulaney wonders if that can be included in the funding request 01:34:10 <masta> inode0: something slightly more uber than rpi that ambassadors can demo, and we can even afford to lose 01:34:15 <inode0> if what can be included? 01:34:17 <j_dulaney> nb: You going to SELF? 01:34:33 * j_dulaney will be bringing his Chromebook 01:34:33 <inode0> ARM boards can definitely be included 01:34:53 <j_dulaney> But, for obvious reasons, I don't want it to stay in the kit 01:36:31 <masta> ok, so about the community that is a big area of talk... and we should be focused on being friedly and growing the community. 01:37:08 <nb> rbergeron, thank you 01:37:10 <nb> masta, that'd be cook 01:37:12 <nb> cool 01:37:12 <masta> so this circles back around to us choosing new events to be doign our thing... where we can attract new folks 01:37:14 <nb> masta, yeah, i'm wanting new OLPCs also 01:37:16 <nb> spot thinks we can get some olpc touch when they are available 01:37:18 <nb> j_dulaney, unfortunately no 01:37:20 <nb> j_dulaney, helping with church camp jun 3-7 and won't get home until evening of the 7th 01:37:22 <nb> and not really time to fly away to CLT 01:38:37 <masta> inode0: wow you dropped two good open floor bombs today. lots to consider 01:38:54 * masta ponders 01:39:24 <inode0> regarding the first, feel free to join the conversation in upcoming board meetings or elsewhere 01:39:50 <inode0> regarding the second, we need to act in the next few weeks to get anything done this quarter 01:40:28 <award3535> should we put a ticket in for the second one for tracking 01:40:29 <j_dulaney> Well, if we get a Chromebook, I'll put Fedora on it 01:40:33 <masta> nb: so would spot be funding the olpc's or is that him suggesting we get from our budget? 01:40:41 <inode0> https://lwn.net/ <--- also has a thread on the first topic 01:41:01 * j_dulaney doesn't have lwn subscription 01:41:13 <inode0> you don't need one 01:41:35 <award3535> ok 01:41:42 <inode0> award3535: good idea 01:42:01 * inode0 meant an lwn sub wasn't needed for this article 01:44:33 <masta> I guess there is an IRC log of that meeting we can read 01:44:52 <award3535> this is quite a lot to chew on wow 01:44:58 <j_dulaney> masta: Aye 01:45:01 * j_dulaney was there 01:45:04 <masta> I feel bad, was not aware of that... and it sounds like it was a big deal 01:46:35 <award3535> so far a lot of good points along with the growing requirement for cloud and tablets 01:47:10 * masta notes we now have fedora working on a tablet with basic 3d gl-es support 01:47:18 <masta> the hp touchpad 01:47:34 <masta> if only we can find three of those for the event boxen 01:47:59 <award3535> wow, now that would get some attention! 01:48:21 <masta> and of course a lot of people mention the ARM stuff, but honestly as somebody in that SIG there is a lot of folk on the side lines.... which I suppose is also the case for PA 01:48:22 <inode1> we don't really need one for every event box :) 01:48:33 <award3535> I would use that all the time! a tablet with Fedora! 01:48:52 * j_dulaney wouldn't mind getting an HP tablet 01:49:48 <masta> I'd say an emerging area of Fedora is the tablet and embeded stuff... and those make great booth magnets 01:50:20 <award3535> +1 masta 01:50:24 <inode0> so here is another thing that comes to mind 01:50:36 <inode0> We get a lot of booth traffic now 01:50:38 <masta> so inode0 on the first topic, are we supposed to segway that with ambassador stuff, or just have it in our minds? 01:50:49 <inode0> Do we get the most out of that that we can? 01:51:18 <masta> nope, I'd say we can improve 01:51:32 <inode0> masta: I'm thinking that the role of ambassadors might be changing with the project if those sorts of changes take off 01:51:41 * j_dulaney thinks we need a nerf gun for the booth box so we can have a proper fight with the Slackware folks 01:51:42 <award3535> I think showing and talking about experiances with the product and the direction we are going could stand a little improvement 01:52:11 <inode0> So it likely will affect some things about ambassadors - they should be aware and thinking about this would be good or bad from their perspective 01:52:12 <masta> well this also circles back around to rbergeron's talking points thread 01:52:57 <masta> what we talk about in some ways needs to target who we talk to 01:53:07 <award3535> the more we can pull the customer towards our product and features we can demonstrate the versitility of the product 01:53:21 <award3535> target is the key 01:53:36 <award3535> novice or expert users get different opinions 01:54:12 <award3535> experts seem to shy away from new things and tend to stick with what the know 01:54:28 <award3535> as where the novice will try new things until they are comfortable 01:54:29 <masta> the one common incentive of our targets is swag, which is weird.... I guess a great presentation is the key 01:54:52 <award3535> SWAG is also another Key! 01:55:13 <award3535> seems that the shirts get more attention than the stickers 01:55:15 <inode0> We generally have good swag and that has something to do with our crowds 01:56:23 <award3535> I agree, I am more reserved in giving shirts to everyone, but the person who really seems interested in the product and takes the shirt for spending some time talking with us 01:56:53 <award3535> seems to carry a little more wieght with others watching the interaction 01:57:22 <award3535> but yet you always have those who just want free stuff, there are some in every crowd and easily spotted. 01:58:46 * kk4ewt here 01:58:51 <masta> ok well going to wrap this up 01:58:54 <inode0> Hi kk4ewt 01:59:04 <inode0> Just in time to say goodnight :) 01:59:05 <award3535> evening kk4rwt 01:59:08 * masta waves at kk4ewt 01:59:19 <masta> bye kk4ewt 01:59:21 <award3535> everyone have a good night! 01:59:32 <masta> 3 01:59:33 <masta> 2 01:59:35 <masta> 1 01:59:39 <masta> #endmeeting