20:00:31 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2013-04-10
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20:00:34 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:00:39 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
20:00:46 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:00:46 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:00:51 <geleimate> .fas geleimate
20:00:52 <zodbot> geleimate: geleimate 'Máté Gelei' <mate@gelei.eu>
20:01:00 * hhlp hi all , hi @sesivany second time here
20:01:07 <Prometheas> .fas misaakidis
20:01:08 <zodbot> Prometheas: misaakidis 'Marios Isaakidis' <misaakidis@yahoo.gr>
20:01:17 <sesivany> geleimate: welcome!
20:01:29 <geleimate> Hi!
20:01:46 <dglaros> .fas dimitrisglaros
20:01:46 <zodbot> dglaros: dimitrisglaros 'Dimitris Glaros' <dimitrisglaros@gmail.com>
20:03:02 <sesivany> only 4 ambassadors tonight? :)
20:03:18 <sesivany> what's going on? some super interesting football match? :)
20:03:22 <jonar> Hi
20:03:40 <dglaros> i hate football!
20:03:42 <dglaros> :P
20:03:46 <sesivany> jonar: hi!
20:03:58 <sesivany> ok, let's wait a bit longer.
20:04:02 <jonar> First time for me here so be gentle :)
20:04:18 <geleimate> jonar: oh? welcome then! :)
20:04:43 <jonar> geleimate: thanks.. Yes just recently enrolled to become an ambassador
20:05:12 <hhlp> hi all , hi @sesivany second time here
20:05:54 <sesivany> hhlp: welcome again ;)
20:06:32 <sesivany> gnokii's here, too, great.
20:06:45 <hhlp> yes today there is a football match
20:07:00 <gnokii> yes do it fast I sitting in a vegetarian restaurant in Madrid
20:07:01 <sesivany> hhlp: it's Barcelona, right? :)
20:07:08 <hhlp> yep
20:07:13 <hhlp> PSG
20:07:23 <sesivany> hhlp: I knew it :)
20:07:26 * giallu is mostly around
20:07:34 <giallu> .fas giallu
20:07:35 <zodbot> giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' <giallu@gmail.com>
20:07:41 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:07:42 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:07:50 <sesivany> giallu: also watching football? ;)
20:07:52 <jonar> sesvany, just to make you aware, I'm jf_archer... we've been emailing recently
20:08:26 <giallu> sesivany, no. I prefer other sports
20:08:30 <sesivany> jonar: yeah, I realized that even though it took me a while :)
20:08:42 <jonar> sesivany, ahh cool....
20:08:42 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
20:08:46 <giallu> reading a git presentation :)
20:08:56 <sesivany> #Announcements
20:09:01 <sesivany> damn
20:09:06 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
20:09:20 <sesivany> does anyone have an announcement?
20:10:05 <sesivany> I've got a few as usually...
20:10:08 <sesivany> first...
20:10:47 <sesivany> there is a discussion going on about Fedora's targer user base, our main goals, mission etc.
20:10:51 <sesivany> read http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/04/09/fedora-board-fedora-userbase-discussion/
20:11:25 <sesivany> it's kinda important discussion because it might define our future direction.
20:11:38 <sesivany> everyone is welcome to participate.
20:12:33 <sesivany> #info there is discussion about Fedora's target user base in the board. Read http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/04/09/fedora-board-fedora-userbase-discussion/ and participate to share your ideas and opinions.
20:13:21 <sesivany> another announcement, particularly important one, is our budget for this year.
20:13:41 <sesivany> we finally heard back from Red Hat.
20:14:16 <sesivany> the news is not very positive, we've had to do significant cuts... :-/
20:15:04 <sesivany> #info We finally know how much money we have for the fiscal year 2014. Please read: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/233
20:15:21 <sesivany> let's devote it a special topic...
20:15:35 <sesivany> #topic EMEA budget for FY2014
20:16:22 <sesivany> frankly, I expected a bit more people at this meeting because discussing the budget adjustments (just a better word for cuts :-( ) is important.
20:16:39 <sesivany> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget
20:17:03 <sesivany> check out the budget, We asked for $31,000, but got only $22,100.
20:17:39 <sesivany> already cut all events by 15 percent and bigger ones even more, but we're still $3,500 above the limit.
20:18:07 <gnokii> cut linuxconf eu not necessary to do it
20:19:17 <sesivany> gnokii: I might end up cutting it more, but I don't agree it's not necessary to do it. It's an important event and it's also the only planned event in the UK.
20:19:47 <jonar> sesivany, agreed... It's why I joined up to try get more UK exposure
20:20:07 <gnokii> whom u like to convince to fedora there GKH or Linus Torvalds?
20:21:39 <sesivany> gnokii: we already discussed this. The event is attended by a thousand of people and 900 of them are not kernel developers, but people from companies, upstream communities etc. I've been to one LinuxCon and I found it very beneficial for Fedora because people who attend it can make a difference.
20:22:55 <gnokii> that event is only one thin expensive and there to fill the pockets of linux foundation so if RH wants Fedora to be there they might give the budget for it
20:23:01 <sesivany> giallu: what about EuroPython? do you plan anything for that?
20:23:51 <giallu> sesivany, I'm still considering if working with organizers like last year
20:24:05 <giallu> they just sent me a request
20:24:22 <giallu> is RH going to have a table again?
20:24:49 <sesivany> giallu: the thing is if you have any plans to spend the $470 for it?
20:24:57 <giallu> we may at least ensure there more blue there...
20:25:07 <giallu> ah. did not remember we allocated something
20:26:00 <giallu> right now I'd say no, but I'm not sure we really drafted any plan
20:26:10 <sesivany> giallu: yes, we did, and I'm looking for something to cuts. Sorry to say that like that. So if you say you really need that money to make Fedora shine there, I'm OK with that, otherwise we can use it for something else.
20:26:25 <giallu> and IIRC, the only expense last year was for fvollero
20:26:33 <giallu> so, let's cut it
20:26:37 <giallu> :P
20:26:53 <giallu> I am all for a better presence next year
20:27:22 <giallu> it will be somehwere else, and I'll surely not do it again as organizer
20:27:39 <sesivany> giallu: ok, I don't think we can afford to fly Francesco there again.
20:27:55 <giallu> e.g. freedom to make it a real Fedora show
20:28:08 <giallu> sesivany, I see
20:28:30 <giallu> then let's cut it if it can be better spent esleqhere
20:28:33 <sesivany> giallu: I'll leave some smaller amount there in case you come up with something. If not, we'll use the whole amount for something else.
20:28:41 <giallu> great. thanks
20:29:19 <sesivany> giallu: btw we're still $3,500 above the limit, so we just may need to use it for getting under the limit :-/
20:29:29 <giallu> yeah
20:29:52 <giallu> I just hope if we spend all this year we could have more next one
20:30:21 <sesivany> the financial situation is really humble this year, we won't be able to afford the same as the last year which sucks. But still, Fedora is mainly about the community, not money, right? ;-)
20:30:56 <hhlp> yep
20:31:12 <jonar> absolutely :)
20:31:35 <sesivany> any other comments to the budget?
20:31:52 <giallu> of course, it's just the community goes to events :)
20:33:19 <sesivany> I'm trying to make it as easy for our budget as possible. For example, all our local events are covered from my budget in Red Hat, there are quite many of them.
20:33:53 <sesivany> ok, let's move to the Requests topic.
20:33:59 <sesivany> #topic Requests
20:34:55 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/231
20:35:21 <sesivany> This is Miro going to LinuxWochen in Vienna.
20:35:40 <sesivany> from now on, we have to think of everything budget-wise.
20:36:29 <gnokii> +1
20:36:37 <sesivany> gnokii: it'd be great if you could provide us with an overall budget for the event. I'm considering to request event budgets at event pages.
20:36:47 <sesivany> +1
20:37:01 <Prometheas> +1
20:38:33 <sesivany> I'm not sure if we can reach the quorum of 5 ambassadors tonight, but it's an amount I can approve on peer-review basis.
20:39:00 <sesivany> this is within the budget, so I have no problem with that.
20:40:21 <sesivany> gnokii: please make sure all expenses are within the budget for all LinuxWochens. I don't think we will do anything, but the Vienna one, so we can use it all for it. But every dollar saved is appreciated.
20:40:45 <gnokii> cant save more as I already did
20:41:48 <sesivany> #info Miro Hrončok: Travel expenses to Linuxwochen Wien 2013 (#231) approved by eischmann and 3 ambassadors on peer-review basis.
20:42:34 <sesivany> gnokii: what are your, Christoph's and Hungarian guy's travel expenses. You should make the same ticket as Miro, so that it can get approved.
20:42:49 <gnokii> sesivany: did they file tickets?
20:43:48 <sesivany> gnokii: I don't see anything in the trac.
20:44:06 <sesivany> anyway, let's move on.
20:44:29 <gnokii> u see I paying my travel expenses, kodo does it, I think Christoph does it also
20:44:54 <sesivany> gnokii: that's nice of you
20:45:54 <sesivany> gnokii: you've got one large beer on me for that, I know it's not as expensive as the ticket, but what else can I do? :)
20:46:27 <gnokii> move on as I said, everyone looks at my sitting on the table surfing
20:46:35 <gnokii> me not my
20:47:43 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/230
20:48:10 <sesivany> the Hungarians guys produced baloons.
20:48:21 <gnokii> +1
20:48:23 <sesivany> they can provide some to others.
20:48:26 <sesivany> +1
20:48:33 <dglaros> +1
20:48:39 <geleimate> +1
20:48:43 <sesivany> it's $154
20:48:50 <giallu> cool
20:48:59 <sesivany> we need one more, giallu? :)
20:49:00 <Prometheas> +1
20:49:04 <giallu> +1
20:49:22 <sesivany> ok, approved.
20:49:51 <sesivany> #info Fedora Balloons to the events (#231) approved
20:50:22 <sesivany> btw after the the polos and the balloons, we have $350 left for swag in this quarter :/
20:50:28 <sesivany> another ticket
20:50:59 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/232
20:51:13 <sesivany> accommodation for LinuxWochen Vienna 2013
20:51:35 <sesivany> I think gnokii arranged a pretty cheap one after all.
20:51:38 <sesivany> +1
20:51:48 <giallu> +1
20:51:51 <gnokii> +1
20:51:58 <Prometheas> +1
20:52:27 <dglaros> +1
20:52:41 <sesivany> great, approved
20:53:16 <sesivany> #info Funding request for Linuxwochen Vienna (#232) approved
20:53:24 <sesivany> one more...
20:53:48 <sesivany> this is kinda difficult one :-/
20:53:52 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/235
20:54:08 <sesivany> I'm affraid we just don't have a budget for that :-(
20:54:39 <giallu> you mean shipping?
20:54:42 <sesivany> first one package to Jordan with DHL/Fedex is $400...
20:54:44 * hhlp buff
20:54:46 <gnokii> yes shipping
20:55:00 <sesivany> our annual budget for shipping is ~$2000
20:55:46 <sesivany> moreover I sent a package to this guy two months ago, and as I said, the new policy is that we can send only one package per location per cycle.
20:55:54 <sesivany> especially if the shipping is so expensive.
20:55:54 <jonar> sesivany, just a thought but is it possible to have the banners etc made up in Jordan? rather than ship to them?
20:56:05 <Prometheas> ! guys sorry I'm running out of battery, see you next time
20:56:16 <sesivany> Prometheas: ok, see you!
20:56:24 <sesivany> jonar: yes, that was my idea.
20:56:25 <giallu> Yeah, you can do one for much less
20:57:01 <sesivany> I'd love to support that guy because he convinced his university with several thousand students to switch to Fedora.
20:57:22 <sesivany> he's doing a great job, but we just can't afford what he's asking for.
20:57:31 <jonar> It would be a shame to not do, he seems to be doing a lot of work
20:57:54 <sesivany> I'm OK with giving him, say, $150 for a banner.
20:58:39 <gnokii> no, reject it, he shall make a new one after research what they cost there to produce
20:58:58 <sesivany> shipping something to Jordan is no way currently, first it's very expensive, second I really don't have much to ship, I'm low on everything including DVDs.
21:00:09 <sesivany> gnokii: I agree, the answer should be that we can't ship anything right now, but if he can produce anything locally, we may help him.
21:00:22 <gnokii> that was what I meant
21:00:54 <sesivany> gnokii: if he can have the banner produced locally, will you provide him with the design you gave us? ;-)
21:01:23 <gnokii> yes but not this week ;)
21:01:31 <sesivany> gnokii: ok
21:01:41 <sesivany> ok, let's move on, time flies.
21:01:54 <gnokii> yes I have only 8% power left
21:02:43 <sesivany> #info Fedora 18 around universities in Jordan (#235) - we can't satisfy this currently, shipping is over our budget, but we may support producing something locally.
21:02:59 <sesivany> why is everyone on battery tonight?
21:03:33 <gnokii> because I am on tour
21:03:39 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:03:52 * sesivany is checking the list.
21:04:48 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
21:05:22 <sesivany> so the only event coming is LinuxWochen even though it's not listed there.
21:05:47 <sesivany> gnokii: is it all set there?
21:06:06 <gnokii> yes everything arranged before I left fr spain
21:06:24 <sesivany> gnokii: great, thank you for the hard work!
21:07:06 <sesivany> gnokii: do you know any updates about LinuxTag Berlin?
21:07:34 <sesivany> I think cwickert ensured the booth, but I don't think the hotel is booked.
21:07:34 <gnokii> no
21:07:51 <gnokii> I spoke last week with him, he said he had not done it yet
21:08:27 <sesivany> gnokii: it's not so far away...
21:08:39 <gnokii> yes I know
21:08:52 <sesivany> gnokii: I might create the event page tomo and push it a bit forward like FOSDEM.
21:09:02 <sesivany> cwickert is busy
21:09:50 <sesivany> that's all to events tonight? or do you have anything?
21:10:24 <jonar> nothing UK just yet, but I'm keeping my eyes open for potential ones
21:11:32 <hhlp> same here
21:11:46 <sesivany> jonar: great, we should definitely have more events in the UK.
21:12:11 <sesivany> even though we can't afford much more with our current budget :-(
21:12:21 <jonar> Oggcamp is probably a good event to aim for, but they are planning to push it from August to October
21:12:40 <jonar> it wouldn't take much of a budget either
21:13:17 <sesivany> jonar: hope it's not going to collide with LinuxCon Europe.
21:13:18 <jonar> same with some of the smaller Barcamp events
21:13:52 <jonar> sesivany, I hope not too... I think the organisers realise so we should be ok
21:14:19 <sesivany> jonar: get definitely in touch with other Fedora ambassadors in the UK.
21:14:19 <jonar> last years event had Suse present and they got a lot of attention
21:14:44 <jonar> sesivany: will do
21:14:59 <sesivany> jonar: jamielinux is a bit off till June because of his final exams at university, otherwise he's probably the most active there.
21:15:23 <jonar> sesivany: I'll drop him a line
21:15:47 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
21:16:51 <giallu> sesivany, I guess the cuts means we would not be albe to run an ambassadors gathering in Italy as imagined
21:17:09 <sesivany> jonar: Red Hat has an office in Farnborough, there might be some useful people there, too, our office in Brno has always supported Fedora contributors in our region.
21:18:11 <jonar> sesivany, thanks...
21:18:27 <sesivany> giallu: unfortunately, we don't have money for that in our humble budget, but we can make it a FAD and ask rbergeron for money outside our budget.
21:18:47 <jonar> sesivany, I'll hopefully try getting in touch with some people and make my presence known.
21:18:48 <giallu> yeah. we can consider that
21:18:51 <giallu> thanks
21:18:54 <sesivany> giallu: you just need some plan for it, what you want to get done there etc.
21:20:16 <giallu> yeah. will discuss with others here
21:20:52 <sesivany> giallu: we'd also like to do another EMEA FAD. I think it was productive last year.
21:21:54 <giallu> sesivany, agreed. Thi other event should be a get-together to know each other (we have few new ambassadors) and planning)
21:22:12 <giallu> but the EMEA FAD was definitely useful
21:22:33 <sesivany> giallu: you remember that plan how we wanted to invite new ambassadors to bigger events?
21:22:44 <fedora_richie> plan?!
21:22:53 <giallu> yeah
21:22:57 <giallu> I remember
21:23:10 <sesivany> giallu: well, it just remains a plan because we can't afford large travel expenses this year :-(
21:23:39 <sesivany> giallu: I might get some new ambassadors to LinuxTag, LinuxCon, and FOSDEM and that's it :-/
21:23:40 <giallu> eheh. that makes a local get-together more of a priority :)
21:24:12 <giallu> we will see how/if we can do it
21:24:18 <jonar> I'd be quite happy to head up to LinuxCon eu...
21:25:01 <sesivany> jonar: that's a good idea, we already have fedora_richie and jamielinux signed up.
21:25:26 <fedora_richie> :)
21:25:27 <fedora_richie> yep
21:25:31 <sesivany> jonar: I think affix might join in, too, because he lives like 40 miles from Edinburgh.
21:25:38 <jonar> sesivany: cool
21:25:51 <fedora_richie> i can pick him up.. i drive
21:26:03 <jonar> sesivany: makes sense...
21:26:13 <jonar> fedora_richie: how far are you away?
21:26:23 <sesivany> we need 3-4 ambassadors there, so that should be about it.
21:27:00 <fedora_richie> 300 miles- 5hr drive
21:27:16 <sesivany> I might come too, but covering it from my work budget.
21:28:13 <jonar> fedora_richie: bit more than me, 200 for me
21:28:27 <sesivany> btw if you come with something big you want to do for LinuxCon, we might get additional funding for that from Red Hat.
21:28:47 <fedora_richie> what kind of <big> ?
21:28:54 <sesivany> something like some special swag, contest at the booth etc.
21:29:06 <fedora_richie> can plan!
21:29:19 <fedora_richie> do-able i reckon
21:29:57 <sesivany> and I'll make sure you'll get free passes 'case it's damn expensive - starts at $300 I think.
21:30:04 <jonar> I guess anything which pushes what RH are currently marketing
21:30:20 <fedora_richie> thanks sesivany
21:30:37 <sesivany> ok, let's not make this meeting endless.
21:30:50 <sesivany> I think we've discussed what we needed.
21:31:10 <sesivany> hopefully, the next meeting will be better attended again.
21:31:34 <sesivany> thank you, everyone for coming, and meet you in two weeks!
21:31:44 <jonar> thank you...
21:31:58 <fedora_richie> thanks and good night :) cheers
21:31:59 <hhlp> thx you again
21:32:16 <sesivany> #endmeeting