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01:00:28 <inode0> #topic Roll Call
01:00:33 <award3535> present
01:01:28 * rbergeron is here and throwing food at family to eat, back in a second
01:01:50 <award3535> throw some my way, its a late night snack
01:01:55 * nb is kind of here
01:02:16 * inode0 gives people a couple more minutes
01:03:25 <inode0> nb: are you still on famsco?
01:03:51 <dan408> here
01:04:21 <nb> inode0, yes
01:04:32 <dan408> yes he is
01:04:34 <nb> herlo and i both are
01:04:36 <dan408> so is herlo
01:05:14 <dan408> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee?rd=FAMSCO
01:05:17 <inode0> #chair rbergeron dan408 award3535 nb
01:05:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron
01:05:21 <inode0> #topic Announcements
01:06:14 <inode1> sigh
01:06:26 <inode1> http://2013.texaslinuxfest.org/cfp <--- extended through this Friday
01:06:44 <inode1> Talks are only 30 minutes long so really anyone can do that!
01:06:47 * suehle says hi
01:06:54 <dan408> hi suehle
01:06:55 <rbergeron> inode1: did you put in?
01:07:18 <inode1> yes, I submitted two talks
01:07:34 <inode1> http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/rfp2013/form.html <--- this one needs to be done by next Monday
01:07:58 <award3535> talks that is correct?
01:07:59 <inode1> #chair suehle
01:08:40 <inode1> can someone chair me? :)
01:08:47 <suehle> #chair inode1
01:08:47 <dan408> sure
01:08:49 <suehle> lol
01:09:02 <dan408> #topic tickets
01:09:05 <inode1> someone who already is a chair?
01:09:12 <inode1> don't hijack the meeting please
01:09:24 <dan408> oh
01:09:28 <dan408> i thought i had a chair
01:09:33 <suehle> You don't appear to have chaired anybody else as inode0
01:09:54 <inode0> #chair suehle
01:09:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron suehle
01:10:02 <inode0> back in business
01:10:02 <dan408> [18:05] <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron
01:10:22 <dan408> anyways
01:10:26 * dan408 shuts up
01:10:39 <inode0> #topic Regional Budget FY14
01:10:55 <inode0> Before we do tickets I want to spend a little time on the budget.
01:11:04 <award3535> lets roll
01:11:10 <inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget
01:11:12 <rbergeron> happy happy joy joy
01:11:25 <inode0> Take a quick look at that if you haven't seen it already please.
01:12:17 <inode0> One thing I'd like be clear about is that while we get an annual budget we are expected to spend it more or less evenly across all quarters.
01:12:20 <award3535> is this the approved amount
01:13:03 <suehle> No, it doesn't have to be evenly divided. Those quarterly numbers are based on the requests.
01:13:13 <suehle> (and as you can see, they're not evenly divided)
01:13:16 <dan408> please link to the spreadsheet we worked on at fudcon
01:13:20 <dan408> err fadna*
01:13:28 <rbergeron> inode0: i don't know that that is entirely the expectation - we sort of tried to look at what peple were expecting to do by quarter - at least things like media and such throw that off quite a bit if nothing else
01:13:36 <inode0> I know, we have always been asked to spend it "more or less" evenly across quarters.
01:14:59 <inode0> Well, if that isn't true any longer that is fine. Reality is still going to dictate spending it more or less evenly across quarters as stuff happens all year long.
01:15:20 <rbergeron> I think now that we have something a bit more detailed we can work to spending it more "as planned" - wihch theoretically may be easier (or harder) - but it makes it far less of a balancing act
01:15:33 <inode0> Two quarters each year our budget takes a big hit with media, this isn't one of those quarters.
01:16:18 * rbergeron nods
01:16:26 <award3535> No but there are a lot of events
01:16:28 <inode0> So we should begin to figure out what we are spending this quarter on events and think about what swag or other expenses we might want to do this quarter.
01:16:54 <award3535> +1
01:17:12 <inode0> I see pycon, nelf, lfnw, and sort of txlf this quarter for events.
01:17:57 <inode0> txlf is mostly in next quarter but we'll probably pay for it in both
01:18:27 <inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Northeast_Linuxfest_2013
01:18:36 <dan408> btw rbergeron do you know of any silicon valley events coming up i need to worry about?
01:18:40 <inode0> That fails to make clear to me what we spent in Boston. :)
01:18:49 <rbergeron> dan408: not at the moment and not in the middle of this discussion :)
01:19:14 <rbergeron> who paid the $500 for NELF? inode0?
01:19:29 <dan408> k
01:19:32 <inode0> not inode0
01:19:37 <rbergeron> suehle?
01:19:39 * masta is here
01:19:40 <dan408> chanchito i think
01:19:43 <inode0> Let me just make a suggestion about such things though.
01:19:59 <suehle> I thought I paid LFNW... let me check
01:20:09 <rbergeron> suehle: talking about northeast, not northwest
01:20:14 <inode0> Asking for someone to pay a bill on a mailing list is a very bad way to ask since none of the parties knows if any of the others are doing it.
01:20:16 <suehle> rbergeron, I know, that's why I'm checking
01:20:40 <suehle> Yeah, I paid NW. Don't think I paid NE.
01:20:48 <inode0> Please open tickets where everyone can identify an owner who is responsible for taking care of it.
01:20:56 <rbergeron> suehle: okay, i just saw you saw LFNW and figured you mixed them up (since they are constantly mixed up)
01:21:03 <rbergeron> saw you say
01:21:08 <suehle> rbergeron, I meant I was trying not to mix them up :)
01:21:09 <award3535> suehle: you also were in contact with Jeremy Sands about SELF, and BTW thank you
01:21:17 <suehle> SELF is paid as well
01:21:33 <award3535> great.... thanks suerle
01:21:44 <award3535> will update the ticket
01:21:46 <inode0> Last week we were reminded NELF hadn't been paid.
01:21:58 <suehle> Do you have an invoice from them?
01:21:59 <inode0> So if no one did it since last week it hasn't been done.
01:22:10 <nb> suehle, chanchito sent a paypal invoice from them to the mailing list
01:22:20 * suehle will go look for it
01:23:17 <inode0> So we spent iirc around $600 for pycon, $500 for NELF.
01:23:58 <inode0> So we have plenty of room this quarter to restock some swag if we have a need for any.
01:24:11 <inode0> Or we can donate some to EMEA which would make them happy.
01:24:58 <inode0> Thoughts?
01:25:10 <dan408> um
01:25:14 * rbergeron got a request from davdunc to sponsor his ticket for LFNW - they don't have the prices up yetbut iirc it's quite reasonable, will add it to the event page if/when i know more
01:25:31 <dan408> i think emea seems to be doing okay
01:26:02 <dan408> did we ever get hats from them?
01:26:07 <inode0> I think they disagree :)
01:26:38 <dan408> -_-
01:27:01 <rbergeron> i have a small stack of hats at my house from them.
01:27:05 <inode0> EMEA does great stuff and I am in favor of helping them whether this quarter or later.
01:27:13 <suehle> NELF paid
01:27:16 <dan408> rbergeron: how do they look?
01:27:28 <rbergeron> whenever we can figure out how to ship them without the shiping exceeding the cost of actual hats we could just get here :) ...
01:27:37 <rbergeron> dan408: like tan fedora baseball caps with fedora logos?
01:27:39 <rbergeron> just fine
01:27:59 <rbergeron> i have like.. 50 or 75 that i brought home from emea
01:28:11 <rbergeron> in the room that i had
01:28:15 <dan408> rbergeron: sound pretty
01:28:30 <rbergeron> inode0: it's fine either way.
01:28:48 <rbergeron> honestly, I think a lot of the time some expenses are basically forecast as "worst case"
01:28:52 * inode0 waits to see if there is anything specific NA needs this quarter
01:29:09 <dan408> media mainly
01:29:10 <rbergeron> it would be nice to have new/different swag for the summer
01:29:17 <rbergeron> including what we talked about at FADNA
01:29:18 <dan408> which i just filed a ticket for
01:29:25 <inode0> can it be furry?
01:29:42 <dan408> you want a fedora spherical cow?
01:30:05 <rbergeron> all i want is kittens in boxes, is that so wrong?
01:30:17 <dan408> i can send you those
01:30:20 <rbergeron> no, i mean, we had discussed mugs, keychains, reusable bags, screen cleaners, etc
01:30:22 <suehle> dead kittens or live kittens?
01:30:27 <rbergeron> we're heading into summer conference season
01:30:35 <dan408> yes
01:30:38 <dan408> playing cards
01:30:42 <dan408> what happened with the playing cards
01:30:44 <suehle> We could do plushie cats in little boxes...
01:30:56 <dan408> new shirt design?
01:30:57 * suehle has a crapton of those cards. Where would you like them to go?
01:31:08 <dan408> suehle: send them here, they'll go like hot cakes
01:31:21 <dan408> but i was talking in general NA wide
01:31:34 <dan408> they're a good swag item
01:31:55 * masta likes them too
01:32:18 <award3535> send them to SELF we can use them as swag too
01:32:26 <dan408> ^^seee? :)
01:32:29 <inode0> we can disperse existing swag any time
01:33:06 <dan408> people like playing cards yes? +1 if yes -1 if no
01:33:09 <suehle> I'll definitely bring them to SELF. I've been carrying some with me most places. They're expensive to ship though.
01:33:36 <award3535> cool
01:33:45 <award3535> +1
01:33:47 <dan408> +1
01:34:02 <inode0> masta: put them in the txlf swag request :)
01:34:24 <masta> I see the topic is about the budget - can we see what was approved?
01:34:45 * dan408 finds the google doc
01:35:00 <masta> last week it was still too early to show the budget
01:35:01 <award3535> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget
01:35:32 <dan408> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApBrbq5j6NbOdG0zQzVvR3VqQ05NaE5xaDdLOWh3a0E&pli=1#gid=0
01:35:42 <dan408> #info this was from FADNA2013
01:36:55 <masta> ty award3535
01:37:33 <inode0> Ok, please think about what we need now so we have time to order it. New things will require a bit of added work so we can't leave this sitting too long.
01:37:34 <masta> inode0: now that I read that, yeah....sharing with emea might make them happy
01:37:56 <inode0> You should read the famsco list - oh no, don't.
01:38:25 <dan408> swag: tshirts, playing cards, media, whatever new stuff we talked about
01:38:30 <inode0> Let's move on then to tickets.
01:38:39 <award3535> +1
01:38:46 <inode0> dan408: so I'm just supposed to go arrange everything we talked about?
01:38:48 <dramsey> +1
01:39:11 <dan408> inode0: yup
01:39:22 <rbergeron> and we also need to make sure anything ordered is not ordered 2 minutes before the quarter ends :)
01:39:33 <dramsey> +1
01:39:35 <dan408> unless you want to give me a credit card
01:39:58 <rbergeron> (which means we need to plan in advance a bit to think about what to get)
01:40:01 <dan408> oh yeah lanyards, the lanyards rock. thank you nb for giving me one at fudcon.
01:40:01 <inode0> you still don't get it
01:40:25 <inode0> #topic Tickets
01:40:26 <dan408> what do you want a report, a ticket an email a wiki page?
01:40:27 <inode0> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:40:31 <dan408> we have talked about this over and over again
01:41:19 <inode0> .famnaticket 54
01:41:21 <zodbot> inode0: #54 (Southeast Linux Fest Budget) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/54
01:41:48 <award3535> so far we are on track
01:41:58 <masta> thanks for paying the bronze lvl suehle
01:42:19 <inode0> RFP deadline is Monday for this event - second reminder tonight :)
01:43:00 <inode0> This event is awkwardly right before the Summit this year
01:43:17 <masta> ouch
01:43:37 <dan408> didnt someone mention a fudcon last week?
01:43:40 <inode0> We should plan a time maybe to brainstorm about SELF soon too.
01:44:02 <suehle> Jeremy let me know that we're welcome to the usual room at SELF for FAD-ing.
01:44:11 <masta> monday is a bit tight for papers
01:44:18 <inode0> last year we did some fun and unusual things at SELF
01:44:31 <dan408> o rly
01:44:36 <rbergeron> it's less papers and more presentations
01:44:42 <suehle> All out of hot dog suits.
01:44:47 <suehle> Time to put kittens in boxes.
01:44:55 <dan408> what about cows?
01:44:56 <rbergeron> inode0: i think if we could continue our donation theme and have it be like "donations to a local animal shelter" that would be dandy.
01:44:59 <suehle> perhaps a zombie kitten
01:44:59 <masta> +1 kittens in boxes
01:45:06 <dan408> you guys dont like cows?
01:45:21 <suehle> Sure. They're delicious.
01:45:22 <inode0> rbergeron: I think that would be nice too and there is a nice animal sanctuary there I believe.
01:45:27 <dan408> +1 suehle
01:45:31 <award3535> +1
01:45:57 <rbergeron> it's harder to take "food donations" but i think most people are willing to give out change or dollars into a ... cat box instead
01:46:00 <rbergeron> or cow box
01:46:14 <inode0> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/NC35.html <--- maybe, I haven't researched this yet
01:46:19 <award3535> +1 the cash ideah sounds good
01:46:23 <dan408> burger donations!
01:46:41 <dramsey> Burgers and beer?  :p
01:46:50 <dan408> +1 +1
01:46:59 <award3535> +2 +2
01:47:09 <rbergeron> though last year we gave out beefy miracle pins in exchange for donations
01:47:18 <suehle> Outside of the usual shelters, the closest animal things I can think of are the Raptor Center and Tiger World... Tigers are like cats.
01:47:24 <suehle> Maybe we could put one in a box. Tiger in a box!
01:47:28 <rbergeron> not sure what we'd want to do this time
01:48:18 <suehle> People. For $1200 we can adopt a tiger for a year.
01:48:25 <suehle> Or $100/month.
01:49:04 <suehle> http://www.tigerworld.us/donations.html
01:49:09 <rbergeron> So we have SELF on the list.
01:49:13 <masta> sounds like SELF is a good time
01:49:27 <rbergeron> SELF is lovely.
01:49:33 <award3535> Oh Yeah
01:49:40 * rbergeron should bring up oscon towards the end here
01:49:54 <dan408> rbergeron: did david contact you?
01:50:01 <rbergeron> dan408: yes, it's all settled
01:50:03 <inode0> .famnaticket 52
01:50:04 <zodbot> inode0: #52 (Sponsorship for Hotel at PyCon) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/52
01:50:04 <dan408> cool
01:50:23 <inode0> this is all taken care of and I guess no trip reports are coming
01:50:40 <dan408> do we beat up herlo in this part?
01:50:56 <inode0> or maybe there will be
01:50:59 <inode0> he commented
01:51:14 * inode0 is gonna close it regardless
01:51:47 <rbergeron> yeah, herlo ususally does well about getting them done eventually
01:52:11 <inode0> .famnaticket 50
01:52:12 <zodbot> inode0: #50 (LinuxFest NorthWest 2013, Apr 27-28, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/50
01:52:18 <rbergeron> updates:
01:52:23 <rbergeron> Ruth paid the $500 sponsorship
01:52:40 <rbergeron> I talked to davdunc and he's going to look for sponsorship for the admision tickets which shouldn't be much
01:52:57 <rbergeron> Adam said he'd be happy to share booth duty a bit
01:53:00 <rbergeron> t all i have.
01:53:12 <rbergeron> once i have a $ on the admission tickets I'll add that to the budget.
01:53:42 <rbergeron> EOF
01:53:52 <inode0> ok
01:53:59 <inode0> #topic Open Floor
01:54:04 <inode0> rbergeron: OSCON?
01:54:56 <rbergeron> so: the call for "free ommunity area tables" is up
01:55:28 <rbergeron> last year we got dissed on it, and then they came back around later
01:56:13 <rbergeron> but in the interim we found cashola to do a booth internally. which had more than the 4 square feet of space.
01:56:28 <rbergeron> so I guess food for thought for the moment. i don't know who all might be intending to go this year.
01:56:42 <rbergeron> markdude was the one who pinged me about the booths and...
01:57:11 <rbergeron> the historical perspective of oscon and getting reports has not been amazing :)
01:57:17 <dan408> im cool off oscon
01:57:23 <dan408> i got a job
01:58:07 <dan408> im sure he'd be happy to go
01:58:08 * inode0 thinks oscon was a disaster from his ambassador perspective last year
01:58:33 <masta> how could we improve?
01:58:36 <dan408> why was it a disaster
01:58:38 <award3535> I agree from what I saw on this end
01:58:45 <inode0> Has anyone heard in the past 10 months from anyone we funded last year?
01:59:27 <rbergeron> (echo, echo, echo)
01:59:35 * dan408 yawns
01:59:35 <masta> well that is a sad situation if I get the implication
01:59:43 <rbergeron> I think suehle heard from some of them :)
02:00:24 <masta> do we still have any incentive to be at oscon then?
02:00:24 <inode0> well, unless ambassadors I know of are interested I'm happy leaving oscon to Red Hat
02:00:31 <rbergeron> mostly regarding reimbursements about 9 months after the fact
02:01:04 <rbergeron> actually, I think i might make a slight correction: sarah white went and took pictures and whatnot and we've heard from her
02:01:24 <masta> indeed
02:01:33 <dan408> i think we should drop it
02:01:34 <inode0> yeah, we heard of her before oscon too though
02:01:50 <rbergeron> I'm happy to have other dependable folks along though :)
02:02:18 <dan408> rbergeron: i'd be down if it wasn't during an entire work week and on a weekend
02:02:21 <inode0> I'm ok with helping someone if they are someone we know and are confident would represent us well.
02:02:27 <dan408> ...and it was local
02:02:31 <dan408> and/or*
02:02:33 <award3535> Too Far for me would love to go, but I have the Indiana LF to attend thats right after
02:02:35 <rbergeron> yeah, the week-long thing sucks.
02:02:39 <rbergeron> work-week part.
02:02:46 <dan408> right
02:02:49 <suehle> I'll be there, and I think spot's planning to go again.
02:02:54 <dan408> i was able to help for pycon because im local
02:03:05 * dan408 also notes he helped for free
02:03:21 * inode0 has been to a couple oscons and really doesn't see it as a great event for Fedora, others disagree and that is ok
02:03:41 <dan408> i think it's a waste
02:03:46 <dan408> unless they are giving us free books
02:04:08 <award3535> looks like we should scratch it
02:04:40 * inode0 would much rather send Fedora to FreedomFest :)
02:04:47 <rbergeron> i think it has reasonable value, even if not a great recruiting venue; i think there's also an element of "why the hell aren't they here"
02:04:52 <rbergeron> inode0: is that actually happening this year?
02:04:59 <inode0> it happens every year
02:05:03 <rbergeron> i seem to recall that it was going to happen last year, and then didn't, or someting like that
02:05:04 <suehle> definitely that second part--I think at an event that size, it looks bad if we're not
02:05:15 <dan408> ill find a good silicon valley event and propose it
02:05:26 <dan408> i cant believe there is nothing here that's worth it
02:05:52 <masta> yea... that is the thing with oscon, it's big enough that it's weird if we don't go
02:05:52 <dan408> pycon was massive
02:05:57 <dan408> had i media
02:06:09 <dan408> i could have given fedora media to every attendee of pycon in 5 minutes
02:06:21 <suehle> Um. We had several cases of media at PyCon. We gave it to everybody who walked by.
02:06:34 <rbergeron> dan408: i am looking at velocity a bit
02:06:34 <dan408> well
02:06:40 <dan408> none of it was shipped to me suehle
02:06:54 <inode0> it was sent to toshio
02:07:13 <dan408> right
02:07:19 <dan408> and then i went to the hospital.
02:07:32 * rbergeron is confused, but okay
02:07:34 <suehle> For PyCon, I shipped media directly to the booth.
02:07:37 <dan408> right.
02:07:42 <dan408> anyways
02:07:48 <inode0> pycon is over and done with and isn't related to oscon
02:08:26 * inode0 leaves the door open
02:08:34 <award3535> I am going to punch out, see you all next week.....
02:08:50 <suehle> I think we should do it. It's a free booth. Several of us will be there anyway. And it's weird if we don't.
02:09:19 <inode0> As I said, I'm comfortable having Red Hat folks who go anyway share the Fedora love.
02:09:41 <inode0> If someone else wants to go let us know.
02:10:32 * dan408 is done
02:10:43 <inode0> graphite6 perhaps?
02:11:01 <inode0> She is over there too :)
02:11:43 <inode0> Ok, I sense the tank is close to empty for tonight.
02:12:14 <inode0> Thanks everyone and please think about what we want to do with respect to the budget in the short term (next 6 weeks or so).
02:12:29 <inode0> #endmeeting