04:00:03 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting APAC Bi-weekly 20130330
04:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Mar 30 04:00:03 2013 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:00:22 <FranciscoD> #topic Init process
04:00:25 <tuanta> #meetingname apac
04:00:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac'
04:00:27 <dan408> here
04:00:33 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha
04:00:36 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email: sanjay.ankur@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Australia/Sydney, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 0x0767EB08, Status: active
04:00:38 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:00:40 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: elections cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors fedorabugs freemedia sysadmin sysadmin-ask packager @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca
04:00:43 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:00:47 <tuanta> hello dan408
04:00:56 <dan408> hello tuanta
04:00:59 <dan408> .fasinfo dan408
04:01:00 <zodbot> dan408: User "dan408" doesn't exist
04:01:02 <dan408> oops
04:01:05 <MavJS> .fas MavJS
04:01:06 <dan408> .fasinfo vicodan
04:01:06 <zodbot> MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' <mavjs01@gmail.com>
04:01:07 <tuanta> :)
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04:01:15 <zodbot> dan408: Approved Groups: @gitfedora-mate proventesters freemedia cla_fpca cla_done packager triagers fedorabugs ambassadors
04:01:57 <tuanta> FranciscoD, could you please set (co)chair to me
04:02:04 <FranciscoD> #chair tuanta
04:02:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD tuanta
04:02:11 <tuanta> cool
04:02:14 <dan408> is bckurera around?
04:02:19 <FranciscoD> #chair bckurera
04:02:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bckurera tuanta
04:02:28 <FranciscoD> tuanta: he just pinged me a few minutes back
04:02:29 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
04:02:29 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
04:02:32 <FranciscoD> He should be here
04:02:32 <FranciscoD> ah, there
04:02:42 * FranciscoD waits 10 seconds for more init processes
04:02:49 * bckurera checking mails :)
04:03:11 <tuanta> #link Today agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-03-30#Agenda
04:03:16 <dan408> bckurera pm please
04:03:18 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:03:21 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:03:30 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
04:03:33 <tuanta> welcome my friend, nangthang
04:03:40 <FranciscoD> Please use "!" if you have an announcement to make
04:03:40 <nangthang> hi
04:03:44 <tuanta> !
04:03:47 <FranciscoD> and <eof> when you're done announcing
04:03:49 <FranciscoD> tuanta: go ahead
04:04:08 <FranciscoD> please use #info judiciously to make the logs better for those who can't make it.
04:04:08 <tuanta> #info Budget for FY2014 has been out
04:04:18 <FranciscoD> ?
04:04:21 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget
04:04:28 <FranciscoD> ah, ? cancelled ;)
04:04:58 <tuanta> bad news: they cut a lot from APAC proposal
04:05:07 <tuanta> will discuss this in Open floor
04:05:11 <tuanta> eof
04:05:21 <FranciscoD> #info Discuss APAC budget cuts in open floor.
04:05:28 <FranciscoD> Any other announcements?
04:05:46 * FranciscoD has one and will make it if no one else has anything
04:05:55 * bckurera but I m happy it comes out at least now :)
04:06:09 <bckurera> !
04:06:21 <tuanta> please bckurera, then FranciscoD
04:06:40 <bckurera> This is not a announcement but need to finalize release party dinner awards as well, will discuss it on tickets
04:06:44 <bckurera> eof
04:07:01 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/71
04:07:05 <tuanta> sure, bckurera
04:07:10 <FranciscoD> "FUDCon APAC: Planning: Decide a period for tentative dates"
04:07:23 <FranciscoD> I'd like folks to go through the ticket.
04:07:35 <FranciscoD> I suggest we start planning already.
04:07:50 <FranciscoD> The budget cuts are because we don't use our budget well enough.
04:08:06 <tuanta> should we set "meeting" keyword to it?
04:08:22 <FranciscoD> The ticket is not up for discussion in this meeting. I'd like folks to comment on it on the trac and we'll discuss it a meeting
04:08:36 <FranciscoD> tuanta: negative. Discussion on trac. Meeting when we have to take a discussion.
04:08:39 <tuanta> ok, understood
04:08:39 <FranciscoD> eof
04:09:00 <FranciscoD> Any more announcements?
04:09:16 * FranciscoD counts till 10
04:09:33 <FranciscoD> #topic Trac tickets
04:09:35 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:09:54 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/69 -> FAD Mysore
04:10:22 <FranciscoD> It's called a FAD, but I propose we fund it.
04:10:37 <FranciscoD> Please see my latest comment: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/69#comment:4
04:11:03 <FranciscoD> Comments? What do you people think?
04:11:12 <FranciscoD> KageSenshi, bckurera ?
04:11:26 <KageSenshi> eh
04:11:31 <KageSenshi> haha .. i was on wrong channel
04:11:38 <FranciscoD> >.<
04:11:43 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
04:11:44 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
04:11:52 * KageSenshi scrolls up ..
04:12:20 <bckurera> !
04:12:21 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ?
04:12:24 <FranciscoD> bckurera: go
04:12:42 <bckurera> yea thanks
04:13:23 <bckurera> I think we can proceed discussing this, this is a request to get funds for travel. not for the FAD
04:13:34 <FranciscoD> Vote then?
04:14:03 <bckurera> Yes since it is more than USD 200, the commnity needs to decide
04:14:16 <FranciscoD> bckurera: It's 110USD
04:14:29 <FranciscoD> Comment 3
04:14:51 <FranciscoD> But the cab's haven't been done. That will cost him some
04:15:05 <FranciscoD> I propose we permit about $250 as bckurera said.
04:15:10 <FranciscoD> Can we vote now?
04:15:10 <bckurera> FranciscoD : It is only for the flight , what about the cab?
04:15:27 <FranciscoD> bckurera: ^ ;)
04:15:31 <tuanta> I see, so total in his request is 110 USD?
04:15:58 <FranciscoD> tuanta: it'll increase a little. 250 should do it.
04:16:38 <bckurera> agree
04:16:50 <KageSenshi> any idea on expected attendees?
04:16:54 <FranciscoD> Okay. All in favour +1, -1 otherwise, with reason
04:17:13 <FranciscoD> KageSenshi: mbuf generally hosts them open for the entire institure
04:17:14 <nangthang> FranciscoD: +1
04:17:17 <FranciscoD> *institute
04:17:30 <FranciscoD> usually around 25-30-35 people come around.
04:17:33 <bckurera> But IMO, I would like to vote a +1 for USD 110 and will later consider the expenses for Cab
04:17:35 <KageSenshi> ah ok then :D
04:17:47 <tuanta> +1 bckurera
04:17:53 <KageSenshi> +1 bckurera too
04:17:54 <FranciscoD> +1 for 110USD + Cab expenditures.
04:18:08 <tuanta> it's better to set a limit
04:18:20 <FranciscoD> +1 till 250 as initially requested.
04:18:43 <tuanta> Cab is more expensive than flight?
04:18:46 * FranciscoD notes that mbuf is one of the few APAC ambassadors who regularly does events
04:19:00 <tuanta> yes, FranciscoD
04:19:02 <FranciscoD> tuanta: shouldn't be, but I don't remember the pricing
04:19:25 <bckurera> shakthimaan is doing a great job in India with events we really need to appreciate his effort and facilitate him too
04:19:31 <FranciscoD> 110USD for flights + discussion on cab seems okay for everyone?
04:19:47 * FranciscoD wants to close this ticket and move to next.
04:19:48 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:19:53 <tuanta> it's more clear
04:20:16 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket 69: Agreed 110USD flight expenses. Cab expenses to be discussed when we have figures.
04:20:26 <MavJS> +1
04:20:27 <KageSenshi> yep .. for the cab thing, if theres not much events thats requiring money in this quarter , i'm ok with approval ..
04:20:29 <tuanta> we should decide for cab after getting more info
04:20:46 <FranciscoD> Next ticket:
04:20:59 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/68 -> Kushal: 600 for Pycon USA
04:20:59 <bckurera> yes, I ll ask him to update the ticket with cap price as well
04:21:04 <FranciscoD> note, the event is over
04:21:07 <bckurera> for now will approve USD 110, Done :)
04:21:13 <FranciscoD> bckurera: I'll update all tickets after the meeting.
04:21:41 <bckurera> FranciscoD that is great, thanka !
04:21:44 <FranciscoD> I'm +1 for 600, as already mentioned in ticket.
04:21:58 <FranciscoD> tuanta: did famsco have anything to say about this?
04:21:59 * tuanta never minds if we update the tickets immediately
04:22:17 <tuanta> FranciscoD: actually nope
04:22:33 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I'd prefer we spent the meeting time at the IRC window. I'll update tickets after the meeting.
04:22:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: So famsco is OK with 600 then?
04:22:48 <kushal> so what will happen to that ticket ?
04:22:55 <FranciscoD> If they don't have an issue, we can decide.
04:23:04 <FranciscoD> kushal: ah, you're here. Is 600 sufficient for you?
04:23:22 <kushal> FranciscoD, yes, that is ok , I shared a room with others
04:23:27 <FranciscoD> Great.
04:23:43 <FranciscoD> tuanta, bckurera, if famsco did not bring up an issue with this, I propose we vote on the ticket.
04:24:16 <FranciscoD> kushal: you will need to upload receipts/event reports/etc as per the guidelines before kital will reimburse you, if approved
04:24:23 <tuanta> +1. I still think it's APAC issue
04:24:31 <kushal> FranciscoD, I know and I will
04:24:35 <FranciscoD> okay +1 in favour, -1 with reason
04:24:37 <FranciscoD> +1 frm me
04:24:42 <tuanta> +1 from me too
04:24:45 * FranciscoD pokes KageSenshi , nangthang , bckurera
04:24:49 <KageSenshi> +1
04:24:53 <bckurera> It is still with in our limits, so why FAmSCo is needed
04:24:56 <FranciscoD> MavJS
04:24:57 <MavJS> +1
04:25:10 <FranciscoD> bckurera: then I assume you're a +1 :)
04:25:34 <bckurera> USD 600 is a large amount but +1 considering the value of the participation
04:25:37 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD. kushal: please do not forget event reports and receipts
04:25:39 <FranciscoD> #info Agreed ticket #68: 600USD
04:25:43 <kushal> tuanta, yup
04:25:49 <nangthang> +1
04:25:51 * bckurera sorry my connection is not that fast
04:25:54 <FranciscoD> tuanta: are there any other tickets to be discussed today?
04:26:14 <bckurera> not budget but #70
04:26:17 <tuanta> kushal: remember, you should have N-1 blog articles (with N = event duration)
04:27:05 <kushal> tuanta, not possible in a direct way as the event was 9days, I blogged on one special event, I will do one more large on the whole event
04:27:58 <kushal> with details from everyday
04:28:31 * FranciscoD_ got disconnected.
04:28:43 <FranciscoD_> Sorry. Any more tickets then tuanta ?
04:28:51 <bckurera> !
04:29:01 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: go
04:29:14 <bckurera> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/70
04:29:26 <tuanta> kushal: please read this guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Event_reports
04:29:35 <bckurera> #chair FranciscoD_
04:29:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FranciscoD_ bckurera tuanta
04:29:48 <kushal> tuanta, I know
04:29:59 <kushal> tuanta, I will submit event report
04:30:12 <tuanta> it comes from the main page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees
04:30:33 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: shoudlnt' we first discuss this on the trac ticket and then use a meeting for the final decision?
04:30:34 <bckurera> So we need to finalize how are we going to select winner?
04:30:38 <FranciscoD_> As tuanta proosed in his email?
04:30:52 <FranciscoD_> *proposed
04:31:12 <bckurera> Yes that is the way, but still no discussion on the trac after around 2 weeks
04:31:34 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: we need to get the ticket more visibility on the mailing list then
04:31:38 <bckurera> we need to get this finished soon since it is a long timer after F18 release
04:31:55 <FranciscoD_> you should've made proposals IMO, and we could've decided
04:32:17 <FranciscoD_> I see no proposals in the ticket at all: Neither for criteria, nor for judges
04:32:18 <bckurera> Yes my proposal is on the mailing list
04:32:38 <bckurera> anyway is there any quick suggession on this?
04:32:42 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: Not the ticket proposal. Proposals for the actual decisions
04:32:49 * FranciscoD_ has none at the time being.
04:33:05 <FranciscoD_> I'll make proposals on the ticket after the meeting when I have some time to think over it
04:33:11 <bckurera> yes no idea, no one interested?
04:33:13 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: KageSenshi kushal nangthang MavJS ?
04:33:35 <bckurera> yes then will add an action item to add their ideas on this
04:33:38 <KageSenshi> didnt see much event reports on release party though ..
04:33:41 <bckurera> and extending the deadline
04:33:42 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: IMO, you should've lead with proposals for the criteria and judges. After all, this is your ticket :)
04:33:59 <KageSenshi> without reports .. what to evaluate? xD
04:34:00 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD_
04:34:10 <bckurera> FranciscoD_ No I need others ideas, not mine always :)
04:34:11 <nangthang> +1 FranciscoD_
04:34:21 <tuanta> KageSenshi: we can not do anything in those cases
04:34:23 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: It isn't about ideas. It's about starting them
04:34:35 <FranciscoD_> Initiating is half the battle. :)
04:34:40 <FranciscoD_> Anyway, I'll add an action item
04:34:49 <tuanta> those events are simply put out of evaluation process
04:34:56 <bckurera> It is started trac ticket is n place and announcement is made in ML
04:35:01 <FranciscoD_> #action APAC make proposals for judges and criteria for ticket 70
04:35:09 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: apparently, that wasn't enough ;)
04:35:30 <FranciscoD_> #action APAC discuss the viability of ticket 70
04:35:38 <bckurera> tuanta yes but we can have some and anyway we need to choose a winner too :)
04:35:40 <FranciscoD_> as per KageSenshi 's observation
04:36:07 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: Could I trouble you to add some more information to this ticket please?
04:36:13 <FranciscoD_> For instance, what is the goal?
04:36:22 <tuanta> one of the required things: event must have report
04:36:30 <FranciscoD_> Best release party, yes, but why?
04:36:38 <bckurera> #action Please update the ticket #70 with your ideas on the subject asap
04:36:42 <FranciscoD_> Also, information about prizes should be added
04:37:05 <tuanta> prizes here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/61
04:37:06 <tuanta> :)
04:37:08 <FranciscoD_> Even it was on the ML, it should be on the trac ticket
04:37:41 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: er, why two trac tickets for 1 proposal? Anyway. Can that information be copy pasted to this ticket?
04:37:43 <tuanta> I suggested we choose a winner and some finalists
04:37:47 <FranciscoD_> Too many trac tickets spoil the broth ;)
04:38:06 <nangthang> IMO, it' really difficult to evaluate the best release party
04:38:07 <tuanta> my ticket is opened before
04:38:09 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: first criteria, then judges, then candidates, then winners? Sound good?
04:38:17 <nangthang> +1 tuanta for that requirement
04:38:19 <tuanta> bckurera may not recognize it
04:38:22 <bckurera> FranciscoD_ I think you are not aware of this
04:38:34 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: I must've been, but I don't remember it
04:38:43 <FranciscoD_> Probably because it hasn't been discussed recently
04:38:51 <bckurera> No trac tickets are different, tuan proposal is to increase the number of award
04:38:56 <KageSenshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_events .. reports are here
04:39:05 <bckurera> while my ticket is to fix a process for this
04:39:09 <tuanta> yes, exactly, KageSenshi
04:39:37 * KageSenshi suggest pasting individual report links on #70
04:39:39 <tuanta> bckurera: #61 should be referred in #70
04:39:54 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: tuanta : but, the award, and the process would be closely related, won't they? Why are we increasing awards without it ever being in action in the first place?
04:39:57 * FranciscoD_ is confused.
04:40:11 <FranciscoD_> I'll go over the ticket etc. Let's not waste time over my confusion :)
04:40:36 <bckurera> so anyway there is not much, please put your all ideas on #70
04:40:43 <bckurera> then will discuss and finalize it
04:40:46 <FranciscoD_> action items added.
04:40:47 <tuanta> I have proposed additional prizes for months
04:40:51 <FranciscoD_> Next ticket?
04:41:28 <bckurera> I ll write to ML again too
04:41:30 <bckurera> yes please
04:41:39 <FranciscoD_> Any other tickets to discuss?
04:42:17 <tuanta> I see nope
04:42:28 <bckurera> tuan your proposal is not approved yet, so we cannot take decisions based on that, can we do it for this time or next time?
04:42:46 <FranciscoD_> Next time please
04:43:03 * FranciscoD_ is not in a position to vote on either ticket this time
04:43:04 <tuanta> bckurera: I proposed for this time. But it's fine for next times
04:43:09 <FranciscoD_> I didn't do my homework :/
04:43:44 <FranciscoD_> #topic Action items from last meeting
04:43:49 <FranciscoD_> There were two action items
04:44:06 <FranciscoD_> 1. New agenda format which tuanta proposed, executed -> FIXED
04:44:16 <tuanta> yes
04:44:32 <FranciscoD_> 2. I was to mail cwickert and tuanta about getting more apac folks involved in release related fedora activities.
04:45:01 <FranciscoD_> Mail sent. Discussion on. I'll provide updates when there's something worth reporting.
04:45:03 <FranciscoD_> Nothing at the moment
04:45:10 <tuanta> yes, we are looking forward to hearing from him
04:45:15 <FranciscoD_> #info Both action items from previous meeting -> COMPLETE
04:45:38 <tuanta> ok, last section now?
04:45:46 <FranciscoD_> #topic Open floor
04:45:52 <tuanta> !
04:46:00 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: go
04:46:10 <tuanta> ok, back to the Budget for FY2014
04:46:28 <FranciscoD_> ?
04:46:33 <tuanta> here is our proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget#Fiscal_Year_2014
04:46:46 <tuanta> and here is the final: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget
04:47:27 <tuanta> in total, we proposed for $23,800 but they decided to support us just $17,300
04:47:35 <FranciscoD_> ?
04:47:45 <tuanta> just a glance
04:47:50 <tuanta> please FranciscoD_
04:48:03 <KageSenshi> btw .. on mbuf's ticket .. is theres a criteria nowadays before can call something a FAD?
04:48:22 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: Have you attempted to reason why we got less? I have a few reasons I think:
04:48:29 <FranciscoD_> 1. We don't use up our budget
04:48:45 <FranciscoD_> 2. We don't put it to good use: We get very little work done that would aid a release
04:48:46 * KageSenshi usually just call all fedora related event i run as fad ..
04:49:05 <FranciscoD_> There are more, but I think these two are dominant
04:49:15 <tuanta> here is the message from Robyn: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-March/001295.html
04:49:25 <kushal> FranciscoD_, what you count as aid for release ?
04:49:32 <bckurera> KageSenshi budget approval for FAD should be directed to Ruthe and Robyn so if it is named FAD you cannot use normal regional budget
04:49:54 <KageSenshi> ouh .. not aware of that ..
04:50:14 <tuanta> regional budgets are not included *premier* events such as FAD and FUDCon
04:50:28 <bckurera> and please do name it FAD if it is a real FAD too :)
04:50:41 <kushal> bckurera, :)
04:50:47 <FranciscoD_> kushal: any tasks that are part of the entire release process. We have ambassadors that hold workshops + recruit folks, a few package maintainers, but we do not have folks who work closely with teams on tasks required by the upcoming fedora release
04:51:03 <tuanta> FranciscoD_: I just see it; I have no activities up to now
04:51:12 <kushal> FranciscoD_, you means more devels or features in each release ?
04:51:13 <KageSenshi> .. any alternative brand for normal fedora event that can fall under regional budget? xD
04:51:33 <tuanta> FranciscoD_: I think of to bring that to the next FAmSCo meeting
04:51:58 <FranciscoD_> kushal: anything that would help the release: Features/More people who continuously help with testing/Folks who help with marketing/Folks who help with docs teams/Folks who help with design team tasks
04:52:03 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: aye
04:52:05 <KageSenshi> simply "fedora-event" doesnt sound nice :P
04:52:28 <kushal> FranciscoD_, ok
04:52:39 <tuanta> I believe other regions would have that same question
04:52:41 <FranciscoD_> we do ad-hoc tasks, yes, but we don't do work that is necessary for the release
04:52:52 <kushal> We had two features in last two releases from APAC devels btw,
04:53:18 <FranciscoD_> kushal: I'm aware. But that's a small percentage of the APAC contributors
04:53:19 <tuanta> yes, kushal
04:53:30 <FranciscoD_> Also, that doesn't mean we have features every year from APAC devels
04:53:32 <kushal> FranciscoD_, I also wonder which all regions do that other than individual devels
04:53:52 <FranciscoD_> kushal: well, for example, FUDCon Lawrence was used to plan the new release quite a bi
04:53:55 <FranciscoD_> *bit
04:54:22 <kushal> FranciscoD_, only because most of the  devels live in North America  and they can attend it
04:54:23 <tuanta> #action tuanta to bring Regional budget for FY2014 to FAmSCo meeting then report back to APAC in the next meeting
04:54:34 <nangthang> FranciscoD_: i see
04:54:51 <FranciscoD_> kushal: yes, but there is no reason why APAC doesn't have more devels who help with release critical processes
04:55:12 <FranciscoD_> and get invited to these conferences, or get together at FUDCon APAC etc
04:55:31 <FranciscoD_> It's just an observation. I'm not criticising anyone
04:55:37 <FranciscoD_> :)
04:55:43 <tuanta> the only one reason: from ourselves
04:55:49 <kushal> FranciscoD_, I can understand :)
04:55:54 <tuanta> and we should change it
04:56:10 <FranciscoD_> The idea is to actually get work done at our premier events
04:56:17 <kushal> tuanta, it again depends on how many new students you can find who want to become devels
04:56:27 <FranciscoD_> rather than having a dominant section of user oriented workshops
04:56:40 <KageSenshi> apac mostly ambassadors so far .. and trying to find devs is haardd xD ..
04:56:45 <FranciscoD_> kushal: and the number of current contributors looking to branch out and learn ;)
04:56:50 <tuanta> FranciscoD_ and me are thinking of ideas to organize some real (get-goals-done) FADs this year
04:56:52 <kushal> FranciscoD_, true, that is why I try to do only devel workshops in the last few years
04:57:11 <FranciscoD_> kushal: aye :)
04:57:25 <FranciscoD_> we'll work on this. It isnt something that will change in a day.
04:57:29 <FranciscoD_> But we do need to work on this.
04:57:39 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD_
04:57:49 * FranciscoD_ observes that we have 3 more minutes to the hour mark.
04:57:50 <bckurera> kushal +1 and we need to have non-devels too ;0
04:58:07 <FranciscoD_> bckurera: we do, but the proportion is very very important to maintain.
04:58:25 <FranciscoD_> we have way too many ambassadors compared to devels IMO
04:58:40 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: bckurera : any thing else to discuss
04:58:42 <kushal> bckurera, in APAC in last few years we found most of the students want to become ambassador only, they don't want to do any other work
04:58:56 <FranciscoD_> Otherwise I'll like to close the meeting before the hour mark ;)
04:58:56 <KageSenshi> i think on certain countries you can approach through doing translation
04:59:25 <tuanta> FranciscoD_: we can bring the topic of organizing more FADs in APAC back in the next meetings
04:59:31 <FranciscoD_> Yes. For example, Chandan is quite active with Gnome translation nowadays.
04:59:35 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: I'll note that.
04:59:38 <bckurera> kushal I agree with you, they normally think devel with OS is highly complex and they dont like :)
04:59:40 <KageSenshi> translation is easy too for most ppl
04:59:49 <tuanta> do you think it's worth to open a new ticket?
04:59:51 <kushal> bckurera, 100% correct
05:00:01 <KageSenshi> unlike more deeper devs
05:00:03 <FranciscoD_> #info APAC FADs need to be discussed again
05:00:38 <bckurera> and I think it is good to think of FUDcon 2014 from now I guess :)
05:00:56 <FranciscoD_> Hence my ticket ;)
05:01:03 <tuanta> FranciscoD_: I think opening a new ticket is easier to follow this up
05:01:03 <FranciscoD_> Close then?
05:01:16 <FranciscoD_> tuanta: could you open one please?
05:01:21 * FranciscoD_ has enough homework this week
05:01:24 <tuanta> sure,
05:01:30 <FranciscoD_> an overheating laptop is *not* helping :/
05:01:37 <KageSenshi> (btw .. any way to subscribe to trac/apac ticket notifications ? ..
05:02:05 <tuanta> #action tuanta to open a new ticket to discuss more about organized real get-something-done FADs in APAC
05:02:12 <FranciscoD_> KageSenshi: maybe rss feeds
05:02:16 <FranciscoD_> not sure though
05:02:32 <tuanta> #undo
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05:02:37 <tuanta> #action tuanta to open a new ticket to discuss more about organizing real get-something-done FADs in APAC
05:02:38 <KageSenshi> google reader being killed xD ..
05:03:02 <FranciscoD_> KageSenshi: active tickets RSS feed should be okay I think
05:03:09 * FranciscoD_ notes he'll add it too
05:03:13 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD_
05:03:20 <FranciscoD_> Okay. End meeting in 5
05:03:22 <FranciscoD_> 4
05:03:26 <FranciscoD_> 3.89
05:03:28 <FranciscoD_> 3.12
05:03:31 <FranciscoD_> 2.87
05:03:33 <FranciscoD_> 2
05:03:37 <FranciscoD_> 1.0
05:03:38 <tuanta> :)
05:03:39 <bckurera> thanks for all who attended have a nice day
05:03:44 <FranciscoD_> 0.3414
05:03:46 <KageSenshi> \o/
05:03:48 <nangthang> bye
05:03:48 <FranciscoD_> 0
05:03:52 <KageSenshi> bye :)
05:03:52 <FranciscoD_> #endmeeting