06:06:20 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:06:20 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:06:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:06:21 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:06:21 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-14
06:06:32 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting now
06:06:47 <mfabian> Hi!
06:06:48 <anish__> Hi!
06:07:35 <fujiwarat> hi
06:07:56 <epico> hi
06:08:36 <pravins> hi
06:08:44 <paragan> hi
06:08:49 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:08:55 <juhp> hi
06:08:55 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:08:56 <tagoh_> #info 0213-03-21        Test_Day: Gnome 3.8
06:08:56 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Branch Freeze
06:08:57 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Software String Freeze
06:08:57 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-02        Alpha Change Deadline
06:08:58 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-11        Test_Day: Translation (l10n)
06:08:59 <tagoh_> #info 2013-04-16        Alpha Release
06:09:48 <juhp> test day next - gosh - should be interesting
06:09:52 <juhp> next week
06:09:59 <tagoh_> well, just added GNOME 3.8 test day there since it mentions about ibus a bit. that would be good to join and test it about i18n related things, particularly improved ibus integration.
06:11:16 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8
06:11:19 <tagoh_> for reference
06:12:51 <juhp> definitely
06:12:59 <tagoh_> well, dunno how much features are in rawhide now, just feel it may be early testing
06:13:09 <juhp> just hope fedora will be testable by next week :)
06:13:55 <tagoh_> for ibus related thing, hope we can take care more in our test day if we missed something there.
06:14:39 <tagoh_> okay, move on
06:14:43 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:14:44 <tagoh_> #info #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh)
06:14:45 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16
06:14:59 <tagoh_> just updated test day page...
06:15:19 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n)
06:15:41 <tagoh_> apparently needs to improve more, particularly test cases
06:16:01 <tagoh_> also need to clean up references in nice to test section
06:17:17 <tagoh_> anish__, mfabian: can you add desired languages into Input (language-specific) section for i-t-b?
06:17:36 <mfabian> OK!
06:17:37 <anish__> tagoh_, sure I will do that
06:17:55 <tagoh_> thanks!
06:18:30 <tagoh_> paragan, pravins: also for inscript2?
06:18:45 <paragan> ok
06:18:53 <juhp> are we happy with the name "Localization_(i18n)"?
06:19:16 <tagoh_> just saying "Indic" feels a bit vague. it can be used for reference of language name in result page.
06:19:27 <juhp> ah is the first one?
06:19:41 <juhp> ah is that the first one?
06:20:04 <juhp> no
06:20:11 <tagoh_> juhp: it was created by QA people
06:20:20 <juhp> I thought so
06:20:28 <pravins> juhp: tagoh_ i think we can improve name Localization_(i18n)
06:20:54 <tagoh_> it was named differently in the past test days
06:21:46 <tagoh_> pravins: yes, we could propose new one I guess
06:22:01 <pravins> might be localization_and_i18n?
06:22:29 <juhp> well Test_Day:2013-05-02_i18n is also a bit vague but ...
06:23:16 <juhp> there is already Localization testday so I think it is confusing to have two :)
06:23:43 <tagoh_> right. though they have "translation" in the name ;)
06:23:45 <juhp> Internationalization perhaps
06:23:52 <juhp> yes..
06:24:03 <juhp> or do we just give up on i18n vs l10n
06:24:39 <juhp> hmmm
06:24:53 <juhp> couldn't help asking anyway
06:25:06 <tagoh_> we can ask for that in QA's ticket for this test day perhaps
06:25:22 <tagoh_> so what would you suggest?
06:26:16 <tagoh_> if abbreviation isn't preferred, we could suggest Internationalization maybe?
06:26:39 <tagoh_> anything else you like?
06:27:31 <pravins> may be globalization? which is combo of i18n + l10n
06:27:43 <tagoh_> aha
06:29:00 <pravins> might be this term will be more debatable ;) so i think lets go with internationalization for now
06:29:51 <tagoh_> or we have an option to not renaming it this time too as juhp said above.
06:30:14 <juhp> well I vote for renaming but it not the end of the world
06:30:30 <tagoh_> sure
06:31:44 <tagoh_> okay, so shall we propose Internationalization then?
06:32:45 <tagoh_> let me ask
06:34:00 <tagoh_> before moving forward, any volunteers to clean up that test day page are welcome. apparently nice-to-have contains references which is obsoletes and no longer happened.
06:34:41 <tagoh_> also good to add something if you have any concerns on bugs that already fixed but nice to test.
06:35:38 <tagoh_> #info #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh)
06:35:38 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18
06:36:05 <tagoh_> not yet trying to reflect ideas into i18n doc beats page
06:36:39 <tagoh_> of course you can add there anytime if you have.
06:37:57 <tagoh_> hmm, I think "blah blah blah is available" thing should be covered by technical note. and should be mentioned anywhere in guidelines
06:38:55 <tagoh_> well, we can polish it later though
06:39:14 <juhp> I think we can mention ibus-kkc in the notes no?
06:39:25 <tagoh_> yes, definitely
06:39:50 <tagoh_> as we did mention all of our features there last time.
06:40:23 <juhp> dueno, will you add something to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat - maybe a link to upstream wiki too?
06:40:47 <dueno> ok, sure
06:40:53 <tagoh_> and improved ibus integration too? need some detailed changes
06:41:11 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: guess you know well about it, can you add one into relnotes?
06:42:04 <tagoh_> dueno: thanks
06:45:10 <tagoh_> well, we still have a time for that. I'm not so hurrying up to finish it yet. but want to make sure if we are missing any important changes in this release. so please pay attentions and don't hesitate to add there.
06:45:58 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:45:59 <tagoh_> #info #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno)
06:45:59 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15
06:46:06 <tagoh_> dueno: any updates?
06:46:57 <dueno> pushed libkkc-0.1.9 and ibus-kkc-1.5.9 and updated the feature status to 90%
06:47:14 <tagoh_> guess you may get a mail for asking about progress since feature page says it's not 100% complete yet.
06:48:09 <tagoh_> dueno: what do you need to do to make it 100% complete?
06:48:56 <dueno> the mail only says "substantially complete and in a testable state" so I thought 90% is okay
06:49:10 <dueno> anyway, I'm still working on keybinding editor UI
06:49:29 <tagoh_> dueno: yep
06:50:32 <tagoh_> will it be in alpha? or planning to have it in beta?
06:51:02 <dueno> I'll finish it by alpha
06:51:10 <tagoh_> cool. great
06:52:16 <tagoh_> anything else?
06:53:33 <tagoh_> if not, let's move on
06:54:08 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:54:22 <tagoh_> anything else we want to discuss before stop the meeting?
06:56:49 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here then.
06:56:58 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:57:02 <tagoh_> #endmeeting