06:02:56 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
06:02:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 31 06:02:56 2013 UTC.  The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:02:57 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:02:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:02:58 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:02:59 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-01-31
06:03:06 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting now
06:03:10 <epico> hi
06:03:22 <paragan> hi
06:03:49 <juhp> hi
06:04:24 <fujiwarat> hi
06:04:30 <pravins> hi
06:04:40 <dueno> hi
06:05:12 <anish__> hi
06:06:04 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:06:16 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:16 <tagoh_> #info 2013-02-12        f16 EOL
06:06:17 <tagoh_> #info the end of February (NOT DECIDED YET, INITIAL TARGET!!!)  Branch Fedora 19 from Rawhide
06:06:17 <tagoh_> #info second half of May (NOT DECIDED YET, INITIAL TARGET!!!)   Fedora 19 Final Release
06:06:48 <tagoh_> well, still no detailed schedule for f19 if I'm not missing anything else.
06:07:35 <tagoh_> anyway, let's keep your work on f19 to implement features, improving, fixing bugs etc.
06:07:57 <tagoh_> hope we'll see them soon.
06:08:23 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:08:23 <tagoh_> #info #12: language support installation command (pnemade)
06:08:24 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/12
06:08:31 <tagoh_> paragan: any updates?
06:08:37 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#How_to_Install.2FRemove_Language_Support
06:09:13 <tagoh_> cool
06:09:35 <tagoh_> is it maybe better moving it to the separate page?
06:09:36 <paragan> collected yum data from F19 comps
06:09:53 <paragan> yeah I too think to move it to separate page
06:10:03 <paragan> I will do that
06:10:05 <tagoh_> okay
06:10:08 <tagoh_> great
06:11:24 <tagoh_> #info #14: Fedora 16 bugs cleanup (tagoh)
06:11:24 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/14
06:11:58 <pravins> groupremove is not recommended command, it removes so many packages
06:12:02 <tagoh_> so did a bit cleanup this morning so now 24 open i18n bugs on f16
06:12:29 <tagoh_> pravins: I guess it may be fixed/improved on f19 feature?
06:12:30 <tagoh_> or I hope so
06:12:43 * pravins trying
06:14:41 <tagoh_> still need some volunteers for checking those f16 bugs.
06:15:06 <pravins> tagoh_: still not, groupremove hindi-support remove m17n-contrib as well, which has support for other language mim files
06:15:38 <juhp> at least people who own f16 bugs should re-triage them before EOL
06:15:59 <juhp> which is less than two weeks ago?
06:16:19 * juhp coughs something about subpackaging
06:16:32 <juhp> pravins, yeah
06:16:32 <tagoh_> pravins: not yet approved - at least you need to change the yum configuration according to the feature page.
06:16:46 <tagoh_> pravins: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects
06:17:11 <juhp> yeah don't know if it is implemented yet?
06:17:31 <juhp> ah it is ?
06:17:43 <tagoh_> I suppose so. that says 99% completed
06:17:55 <tagoh_> but anyway
06:17:57 <juhp> nod
06:18:07 <pravins> tagoh_: excellent feature !!
06:18:15 <juhp> yes
06:19:07 <pravins> so how it will work?
06:19:14 <tagoh_> ideally that would be really nice if we can get f16 bugs fixed before EOL but that would be even good if you can test it and see if it's still there on even f18 say.
06:19:59 <pravins> packages install during groupinstall command will be stored somewhere? and same will be removed while groupremove
06:20:44 <juhp> I think that is the idea yes
06:20:56 <tagoh_> pravins: dunno. ask on the list or the feature owner directly if you like.
06:21:50 <pravins> tagoh_: yes sure
06:22:05 <juhp> anish__, dchen, epico, fujiwarat: can you please re-triage your f16 bugs by next week?
06:22:06 <tagoh_> for some bugs, roughly looking, it might be fixed or no longer be an issue on f18. so let's test them
06:22:24 <epico> juhp, sure
06:22:36 <anish__> juhp, sure will do that
06:23:04 <juhp> ie either move to a more current release or close as appropriate
06:23:54 <juhp> cool
06:24:19 <tagoh_> for bugs being reported by abrt, it might contains sufficient information to see or guess where the problem was coming. good to see them carefully even if you can't reproduce it.
06:25:39 <tagoh_> anything else on f16 bugs?
06:29:47 <tagoh_> okay, better move on.
06:30:03 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:30:04 <tagoh_> #info #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno)
06:30:04 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15
06:30:12 <tagoh_> dueno: any updates?
06:30:52 <dueno> tagoh_, not too much, but I finished phrase dictionary implementation
06:31:10 <tagoh_> nice. so you've addressed the license issue?
06:32:19 <dueno> it is not related ;) currently it uses wikipedia data as the source
06:32:53 <tagoh_> aha
06:33:53 <tagoh_> any plans to package them on rawhide?
06:34:34 <dueno> sure, will do today or tomorrow
06:34:50 <tagoh_> okay
06:35:45 <juhp> dueno, great
06:37:08 <tagoh_> okay move on then.
06:37:18 <tagoh_> #info #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh)
06:37:18 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16
06:39:02 <tagoh_> well, I think there are two things to discuss, one is about cleaning up test cases and up-to-date. one is matrix for test cases on test day page.
06:39:59 <tagoh_> we have various test cases that is supposed to test i18n support on fedora
06:41:12 <tagoh_> though all of test cases might be not needed or can be integrated into other testing maybe. e.g. we have various testcases for input. wonder if it can be merged say.
06:42:41 <tagoh_> or link into one as category and check various situations as sub-testcase
06:42:49 <dchen> juhp, ok
06:43:31 <tagoh_> it is just an idea though, if you have any better or comments etc, good to discuss it here...
06:44:09 <juhp> sorry do you have the links for the last i18n testday..?
06:44:13 <juhp> link
06:44:22 <Alam> tagoh_: do you want to merge with l10n test matrix?
06:44:25 <tagoh_> yeah, I was about to paste it now...
06:44:29 <juhp> :)
06:44:33 <Alam> sorry if I got wrong
06:44:44 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_i18n
06:44:48 <juhp> thanks
06:44:54 <tagoh_> this is what we used last time.
06:45:51 <tagoh_> Alam: not really. if we can clean up and make it visible enough, we may simply go without any changes.
06:46:44 <juhp> should we add a column for lang/locale tested?
06:46:51 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-28_l10n#Test_Matrix
06:47:03 <tagoh_> this is what FLTG took last time.
06:47:30 <tagoh_> juhp: yep. that would be a good idea.
06:51:59 <tagoh_> I had an idea to use this testing to make sure our official lang support. maybe too strict? to do so, maybe a good idea to add lang column per testcases.
06:52:59 <tagoh_> any other comments for testcases and matrix?
06:54:03 <Alam> lang col per test case can be good as it can be same for lang tester (same for l10n)
06:56:02 <tagoh_> yep
06:56:13 <juhp> hmm
06:58:23 <juhp> well I like the idea of testing lang support - but I am not clear on lang column per testcase?
06:59:17 <tagoh_> maybe good to create a mockup page? will do if necessary
07:00:22 <tagoh_> that may be easier to see how it looks like.
07:01:33 <tagoh_> we can discuss this based on it then?
07:03:25 <tagoh_> any other comments?
07:04:15 <juhp> sure
07:05:05 <juhp> lang super rows?
07:07:00 <tagoh_> separate result page per testcases and have lang column on it? or even good to row but we may have more testers for langs so good to allow joining a lot of people for them.
07:08:43 <tagoh_> will prepare a mockup and discuss in next meeting then.
07:09:07 <tagoh_> #action tagoh to create a mockup for new matrix for test day
07:09:23 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
07:09:34 <tagoh_> any other topics to discuss before stop the meeting?
07:12:15 <tagoh_> if not, let's stop here.
07:12:24 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:12:29 <tagoh_> #endmeeting