15:03:46 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-11-20
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15:03:58 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
15:03:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:04:08 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:04:13 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:04:14 * rnovacek is here
15:04:20 <rdieter> hello
15:04:26 <jgrulich> present
15:04:30 * jreznik hides, he's not here, noo :)
15:04:38 <dvratil> here
15:04:46 <jreznik> #chair Kevin_Kofler rnovacek rdieter jgrulich dvratil
15:04:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich jreznik rdieter rnovacek
15:05:12 <jreznik> let's wait a moment...
15:05:21 * ltinkl is present
15:05:30 <jreznik> #chair ltinkl
15:05:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek
15:05:51 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek present
15:06:01 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:06:13 <jreznik> any agenda for the meeting?
15:06:45 <Kevin_Kofler> New accessibility stuff to package (qaccessibilityclient, Simon 0.4).
15:08:20 * rdieter submitted initial qtbase-5.0.0 pkg for review
15:09:38 <jreznik> ok
15:09:43 <rdieter> could discuss kde-4.10-beta1, but I kinda assumed we'd skip that one (mostly due to focussing on f18, and that it's still likely a bit unstable)
15:09:51 <jreznik> #topic new accessibility stuff to package
15:10:07 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: your turn
15:10:25 <Kevin_Kofler> So Simon now has a beta release of 0.4, the version that should finally be packageable (now works with PocketSphinx, without Julius and HTK).
15:10:36 <rdieter> yay
15:10:53 <Kevin_Kofler> And one of its (optional, but recommended) dependencies is qaccessibilityclient, a new client library for AT-SPI2.
15:11:09 <Kevin_Kofler> Unfortunately, no releases yet, so we'd have to package a git snapshot, I guess. :-(
15:11:20 <jreznik> new library?
15:11:30 <rdieter> since it's optional, could wait until it is available
15:11:35 <Kevin_Kofler> It's used for Simon/AT-SPI2 integration, and I think some other accessibility stuff will want it too.
15:11:50 <rdieter> it doesn't use qt-at-spi ?
15:11:52 <Kevin_Kofler> I've seen some commits to kdeaccessibility stuff making it use it.
15:12:12 <Kevin_Kofler> qt-at-spi is the Qt accessibility server.
15:12:19 <Kevin_Kofler> qaccessibilityclient is the Qt accessibility client.
15:12:21 <Kevin_Kofler> (basically)
15:12:26 <rdieter> ah, thx
15:12:30 <jreznik> ok, thanks
15:12:47 <Kevin_Kofler> It's for writing apps like Orca or Dogtail, but with Qt/KDE.
15:12:48 <jreznik> well, any volunteer to package it? :)
15:12:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Simon uses it to allow TTS with AT-SPI2.
15:12:57 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep, I realized it later
15:13:19 <jreznik> #info Simon has a beta release of 0.4, the version that should finally be packageable (now works with PocketSphinx, without Julius and HTK)
15:13:33 <rdieter> any eta of a qaccessibility release ?
15:13:36 <jreznik> #info optional, but recommended dependencies is qaccessibilityclient, a new client library for AT-SPI2
15:13:41 <Kevin_Kofler> AFAICT, we have all the other deps of the Simon 0.4 beta.
15:13:49 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: No idea. :-(
15:14:04 <rdieter> like i said, since it's optional, we could add that to simon later, don't *need* to treat it as a blocker
15:14:20 <jreznik> #info qaccessibilityclient has no official release, no idea when it's going to be released
15:14:36 <rdieter> i could take a look at it.. next week'ish
15:17:08 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: "it" = what?
15:17:14 <Kevin_Kofler> qaccessibilityclient or Simon? Or both?
15:17:17 <rdieter> qaccessibility
15:17:29 <Kevin_Kofler> OK
15:18:13 <rdieter> the maybe simon after that, if no one 's beat me to it
15:18:26 <rdieter> then...
15:19:16 <Kevin_Kofler> I may have a try at packaging Simon, but I'm not sure.
15:19:22 <Kevin_Kofler> The tarball is ginormous. ;-)
15:19:50 <Kevin_Kofler> Not LibreOffice type ginormous, but still…
15:22:50 <Kevin_Kofler> 17.5 MiB.
15:23:00 <jreznik> wow
15:23:11 <Kevin_Kofler> (in tar.bz2, not gz)
15:23:49 <ltinkl> I wonder why it's so huge
15:25:06 <jreznik> well, anything else for this topic?
15:25:13 <Kevin_Kofler> The docs are all PNG, there's a facial expression recognition model shipped (for the new visual mode) etc.
15:26:38 <Kevin_Kofler> (There are actually 3 backends now, the old Julius+HTK speech recognition one, the new PocketSphinx speech recognition backend and an OpenCV facial expression recognition backend ("visual" backend).)
15:27:00 <Kevin_Kofler> (OpenCV was merged shortly after PocketSphinx)
15:27:31 <Kevin_Kofler> And the docs have huge amounts of PNG screenshots.
15:29:11 <jreznik> ok, let's move on
15:29:17 <Kevin_Kofler> And they already use GHNS to fetch more stuff, like pretrained speech models.
15:29:20 <rdieter> move_on++ :)
15:29:26 <jreznik> #topic initial qtbase-5.0.0 pkg for review
15:29:43 <jreznik> rdieter: and now your 60 seconds of fame
15:29:52 <rdieter> .bug  878188
15:29:54 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 878188 Review Request: qtbase - Qt5 - QtBase components - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878188
15:30:18 <rdieter> First try at packaging qtbase-5 , prereq for most all other qt5 modules
15:30:32 <Kevin_Kofler> So first of all, I think we'll want to somehow identify this as being part of Qt 5 as long as 4 is the default.
15:30:48 <Kevin_Kofler> qt5-qtbase as the MinGW folks did, qt5base or whatever.
15:30:51 <rdieter> pretty basic so far, probably will need to port some of our qt4 patches
15:31:22 <rdieter> i considerd qt5- prefix, could still add it, but figured it wasn't strictly needed since there's no naming conflicts
15:31:24 <Kevin_Kofler> And secondly, we'll probably want to install a /usr/bin/qmake-qt5 etc. (especially qmake-qt5).
15:31:50 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: i'm waiting for the upstream parallel-installibility discussions to wind down
15:32:11 <rdieter> for now, binaries are all in libdir/qt5/bin
15:32:51 <rdieter> first item, was use a qt5- prefix or not?  thoughts?
15:33:34 <rdieter> personally, i'd lean toward not, since we don't really need it, to keep things simpler.
15:34:25 <rdieter> though that detail can be sorted out in the review too
15:34:50 <rdieter> anyway, what's needed now is a reviewer, preferably a kde-sig member that's familiar with Qt
15:36:27 <rdieter> once this review is done, we can consider starting in on other qt5 modules as well
15:36:37 <rdieter> that's all i have
15:37:53 <jreznik> well, we still need reviewer...
15:41:43 <jreznik> #info initial qtbase-5.0.0 pkg ready for review, reviewer familiar with Qt is needed
15:42:07 <jreznik> #info to use qt5- prefix or not would be decided in the review
15:42:40 <jreznik> #info as qtbase is base module for the rest, these will be packaged once qtbase review is done
15:42:52 <jreznik> anything else for now?
15:44:30 <Kevin_Kofler> 4.10 Beta 1?
15:45:32 <jreznik> #topic 4.10 beta 1
15:47:03 <Kevin_Kofler> So, it's out for packaging, do we want to have a go at it?
15:47:30 <Kevin_Kofler> I think we should, we need to get things sorted out until the 4.10 release; the longer we wait, the less time we'll have.
15:47:48 <Kevin_Kofler> Especially the new split packages need reviews.
15:47:53 <Kevin_Kofler> This time it's kdegames which was split.
15:48:46 <rdieter> nucleo had already used some newer libkipi/libkdcraw I think, we can use the beta1 copies of those at least
15:48:52 <jreznik> yep, I'll say let's do it - ltinkl, dvratil, are you volunteers? :)
15:49:47 <ltinkl> umm, I can at least give it a try :)
15:50:04 <Kevin_Kofler> That reminds me that I still need to have a look at the libkdcraw/libjpeg mess, we want the new libkdcraw with the old libjpeg for F18 (and maybe F17), I want to have a try at patching out the requirement for the new version.
15:50:05 <rdieter> the rest i'd be content to wait for beta2.  beta1 initial release has historically been a bit broken, and require a bit of extra work to get done
15:50:23 <Kevin_Kofler> It BUILDS without libjpeg8, mind you, but it disabled the JPEG support.
15:50:31 <Kevin_Kofler> (for JPEG-compressed DNG "digital negatives")
15:50:48 <jreznik> #info 4.10 beta 1 available
15:50:56 <Kevin_Kofler> (normally, RAW is exactly NOT JPEG, but DNGs can also be JPEG-compressed, they aren't necessarily raw images)
15:51:15 <jreznik> #info split packages reviews needed, kdegames split
15:51:54 <Kevin_Kofler> And the good news is that upstream replaced system-config-printer-kde and printer-applet with print-manager.
15:52:11 <Kevin_Kofler> It's about time that the unmaintained stuff gets kicked out and replaced by something actually maintained.
15:52:22 <rdieter> yay
15:58:11 <Kevin_Kofler> I think that's all for today, right?
15:58:34 <jreznik> yep
15:58:39 <rdieter> ok
15:58:49 <jreznik> #topic open floor
15:59:06 * jreznik is setting fuse to 16:00 utc
16:00:26 <jreznik> #endmeeting