02:00:17 <dan408_ii> #startmeeting FAmNA 02:00:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 7 02:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is dan408_ii. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:37 <dan408_ii> #meetingname FAmNA 02:00:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:45 <dan408_ii> #chair rbergeron 02:00:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408_ii rbergeron 02:01:01 <dan408_ii> #topic Roll Call 02:01:06 * kk4ewt 02:01:07 <dan408_ii> anyone alive? 02:01:17 <dan408_ii> #chair kk4ewt 02:01:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408_ii kk4ewt rbergeron 02:01:32 <dan408_ii> hi kk4ewt 02:01:32 * herlo wants a chair 02:01:33 <kk4ewt> hello 02:01:36 * herlo sits down 02:01:43 <kk4ewt> #chair herlo 02:01:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408_ii herlo kk4ewt rbergeron 02:01:49 <dan408_ii> beat me too it :) 02:01:51 <herlo> lol 02:01:55 <herlo> thanks gents 02:01:55 <dan408_ii> let's give people another minute to show up 02:02:03 <dan408_ii> trafic was terrible today, barely made it home in time 02:02:55 <dan408_ii> #topic Announcements 02:03:03 <dan408_ii> any announcements from anyone? 02:03:13 * inode0 is here 02:03:18 <dan408_ii> #chair inode0 02:03:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: dan408_ii herlo inode0 kk4ewt rbergeron 02:03:32 <herlo> fudcon assistance is now open 02:03:41 <herlo> can't think of the right word... 02:03:43 <dan408_ii> herlo link please 02:04:07 <herlo> working on it 02:04:19 <inode0> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-November/003113.html 02:04:25 <dan408_ii> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-November/003113.html 02:04:32 <herlo> ahh, subsidy 02:04:38 <herlo> thanks inode0 02:04:53 <dan408_ii> thank you for the link, need to review myself 02:05:25 <dan408_ii> announcement: F18 is in beta freeze, TC7 has been released 02:05:26 <inode0> Fedora elections will begin very soon ... didn't I say that last week too? 02:05:30 <dan408_ii> yes 02:05:44 <dan408_ii> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 02:06:10 * herlo has 28 minutes on his battery 02:06:26 <inode0> So soon is now defined as now! 02:06:36 <dan408_ii> #topic Tickets 02:06:44 <herlo> can we do mine first? 02:06:47 <dan408_ii> yes 02:06:57 <herlo> cool, one second 02:07:25 <herlo> dan408_ii: I assume these are meeting tickets? 02:07:43 <dan408_ii> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 02:07:47 <dan408_ii> yes 02:07:49 <herlo> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/45 <-- famna reimbursement guidelines. 02:08:01 <herlo> dan408_ii: great, then that's the right one 02:08:06 <dan408_ii> .famnaticket 45 02:08:08 <zodbot> dan408_ii: #45 (Discuss FAmNA Reimbursement Guidelines) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/45 02:08:26 <herlo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines 02:08:27 <dan408_ii> the floor is yours herlo 02:09:18 <herlo> specifically speaking, we've been asked by famsco to draw up reimbursement guidelines. I've had a bit of help to this point, but wanted to get input from the group here. Plus any yea/nay regarding the guidelines. 02:09:46 <dan408_ii> herlo: yes, I have 2 tickets in for reimbursement so please continue because I am new to the process 02:09:49 <herlo> anyone have any thoughts on it, please feel free to jump in here. 02:09:58 <herlo> dan408_ii: the link is above 02:10:00 <dan408_ii> yes 02:10:04 <dan408_ii> so looking at the guidelines 02:10:31 * rbergeron slides in 02:10:39 <dan408_ii> herlo: sometimes you need to something in the spur of the moment as in my case with puppetconf, they were approved by rbergeron and discussed with suehle after the fact 02:11:14 <rbergeron> though yours were also under the "doesn't need 14 layers of approval" amount also 02:11:25 <dan408_ii> lol 02:11:50 <dan408_ii> rbergeron: and that amount is? 02:12:05 <dan408_ii> also question is what are we going to reimburse? gas yes? food no? last minute items? last minute events? 02:12:10 * inode0 notes that any expense can be approved by either FAmNA or another person with spending authority as needed in special circumstances 02:12:11 <kk4ewt> herlo i see nothing that jumps out at me on it as something i would be against 02:12:29 * lcameron lingers in late 02:13:02 <herlo> dan408_ii: that's part of the problem we're trying to avoide. Please note 'guidelines' does not mean 'set in stone' but rather 'follow this the best you can as we know there are circumstances that occasionally come up' 02:13:04 <dan408_ii> ok 02:13:06 <inode0> so in a pinch if the FPL says it is ok you can rest assured it is ok with FAmNA :) 02:13:43 <dan408_ii> herlo: well I guess a "use your best judgement and common sense" should be a guideline no? 02:14:03 <herlo> sure but only if you can correctly spell judgment :) 02:14:10 <dan408_ii> rofl 02:14:20 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: is there a puppetconf wiki page ? 02:14:23 <dan408_ii> but again, i still wonder about things like gas, food, parking, last minute, what is covered and what is not, these things hsould be defined 02:14:28 <herlo> such a weird word 02:14:44 <herlo> dan408_ii: they are 02:15:01 <dan408_ii> ok 02:15:06 <dan408_ii> .chair chanchito 02:15:06 <zodbot> chanchito is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them. 02:15:08 <inode0> generally food is no 02:15:08 <chanchito> sorry im late everyone! apologies and greetings! 02:15:11 <dan408_ii> #chair chanchito 02:15:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: chanchito dan408_ii herlo inode0 kk4ewt rbergeron 02:15:35 <kk4ewt> chanchito: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines 02:16:03 <dan408_ii> herlo: i dont see the word "parking" here 02:16:09 <dan408_ii> or "gas" 02:16:12 <dan408_ii> jus sayin 02:16:13 <inode0> parking can be 02:16:20 <dan408_ii> it should all be on this page 02:16:21 <inode0> ask and you'll get an answer 02:16:27 <inode0> we can't list everything 02:16:28 <herlo> dan408_ii: right, because it says the following under events: 02:16:30 <herlo> Create a wiki page with information about your event (eg: Date and venue, purpose, tentative agenda, detailed budget break down ...) 02:16:38 <chanchito> i was just reading that 02:16:40 <dan408_ii> k 02:16:45 <chanchito> and about the subsidies 02:16:59 <dan408_ii> herlo: i guess we should work on it to define it a little more clearly, there are grey areas 02:16:59 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: and of course we hope that we dont have last minute stuff that everything is budgeted for 02:17:01 <chanchito> im OK with paying for my own travel and using my points and rewards 02:17:02 <herlo> dan408_ii: if there is something that isn't covered there, please let me know 02:17:10 <herlo> dan408_ii: like what areas? 02:17:14 <inode0> generally we do expect to not be nickeled and dimed to death about every little expense 02:17:21 <dan408_ii> herlo: like helping out at someone else's event 02:17:33 <herlo> dan408_ii: that's covered under 'events' 02:17:39 <dan408_ii> alright 02:17:40 <herlo> it's still an event 02:17:41 <dan408_ii> ill read it 02:17:43 <herlo> :) 02:17:47 <dan408_ii> im still new to events 02:17:51 <herlo> dan408_ii: no worries 02:18:11 <dan408_ii> herlo: was there anything you wanted to be voted on? 02:18:11 <herlo> chanchito: to your point, you can still get reimbursed for that travel, that is what this is about 02:18:17 <herlo> dan408_ii: no, not this week 02:18:20 <dan408_ii> ok 02:18:31 <herlo> just general discussion and any glaring inefficiencies, etc. 02:18:38 <dan408_ii> right 02:18:45 <dan408_ii> noted, herlo. 02:18:48 <herlo> we can vote to approve next week maybe? 02:18:59 <herlo> unless anyone objects... 02:19:04 <dan408_ii> yes let's start a thread on the list or discuss in #ambassadors, no objections here 02:19:28 <dan408_ii> anything else regarding this subject? 02:19:33 <herlo> dan408_ii: sure, I was kind of hoping this would be that forum 02:19:36 <inode0> yeah 02:19:43 <inode0> do we need to vote on this at all? 02:20:00 <inode0> you are supposed to be documenting an existing process, not creating a new one 02:20:01 <herlo> I don't think it requires a vote, just didn't want to have any sort of surprises 02:20:04 <dan408_ii> dont think so, just think the wiki needs a little sprucing up, and i will discuss with herlo 02:20:06 <herlo> inode0: good point 02:20:14 <dan408_ii> or more like i jsut need to read more 02:20:20 <herlo> dan408_ii: :) 02:20:25 <herlo> we can do that for sure 02:20:32 <dan408_ii> cool 02:20:36 <herlo> I'm willing to field any questoins regarding the guidelines 02:21:02 <dan408_ii> okay 02:21:11 <inode0> I just want to emphasize here one thing about this page 02:21:31 <inode0> We almost always fund events without using the reimbursement process largely 02:21:54 <inode0> And we will continue doing that - whenever possible Fedora will in some way pay the bills for contributors directly 02:22:14 <dan408_ii> that's good 02:22:25 <inode0> That is always the preferred way to do it - reimbursement as a last resort 02:22:32 <herlo> agreed 02:23:04 <dan408_ii> #action herlo to revisit reimbursement guidelines next week after further discussion and dan408 learns how to read 02:23:12 <herlo> lol 02:23:28 <dan408_ii> anything else? 02:23:39 <herlo> k, I'm done. Thanks for letting me take over for a few minutes 02:23:39 <dan408_ii> .famnaticket 46 02:23:42 <zodbot> dan408_ii: #46 (hotel room block for FADNA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/46 02:24:08 <dan408_ii> okay, who's taking this on.. it is owned by no one 02:24:44 <dan408_ii> have we talked to ianweller? 02:24:45 <herlo> dan408_ii: who reported it? 02:24:54 <dan408_ii> .fasinfo jbwillia 02:24:55 <zodbot> dan408_ii: User: jbwillia, Name: None, email: vaioof@yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 02:24:58 <zodbot> dan408_ii: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done hosted-content ambassadors gitcourses irc-support-operators freemedia proventesters cla_fpca 02:25:12 <dan408_ii> i would guess kk4ewt 02:25:19 <kk4ewt> yes that is me 02:25:19 <herlo> aye 02:25:43 <kk4ewt> ianweller ping 02:26:44 <dan408_ii> rbergeron: don't you have like a direct landline connection to ianweller? 02:27:15 <kk4ewt> rbergeron: maybe you can answer the question ? can we get the Fudcon block extended to wednesday for like 10 rooms 02:27:40 <kk4ewt> or get a new room block for wednesday 02:28:30 <dan408_ii> i think this would fall in her and suehle's ballpark 02:29:07 <inode0> I think so too, would be nice to hear something :) 02:29:23 <dan408_ii> ok let's shall we move on until she can answer? 02:29:37 <dan408_ii> -let's* 02:29:39 <kk4ewt> yeah i have to get some sort of reservation going so i can get my department to pay 02:29:45 * inode0 suggests cc'ing both of them on the ticket 02:30:10 <dan408_ii> #action kk4ewt to work with rbergeron suehle and ianweller regarding ticket 46 02:30:54 <dan408_ii> since we're on the subject 02:30:59 <dan408_ii> .famnaticket 36 02:31:02 <zodbot> dan408_ii: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 02:31:24 <dan408_ii> so is the plan to add 2 or 3 more days to fudcon or do it at the same time as fudcon? 02:31:35 <kk4ewt> one day 02:31:46 <dan408_ii> okay one additional day 02:32:02 <dan408_ii> everyone agreed? 02:32:22 <chanchito> +1 02:32:24 <dan408_ii> +1 02:32:31 <kk4ewt> +1 02:32:40 <inode0> that decision was already made I believe 02:33:03 <dan408_ii> inode0: so is that a +1 from you then? :) 02:33:15 <inode0> there is no reason to vote so no 02:33:31 <dan408_ii> okay, i'll make sure that the ticket is updated 02:33:59 <dan408_ii> #agreed FADNA will be 1 day additional after FUDCON Lawrence 02:34:09 <inode0> it already says that in the ticket 02:34:13 <dan408_ii> cool 02:34:18 <dan408_ii> thank you 02:34:29 <dan408_ii> .famnaticket 44 02:34:31 <zodbot> dan408_ii: #44 (CPOSC 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/44 02:34:42 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: no actually the day before 02:35:07 <inode0> this is just nagging jds2001 to link his blog post on the wiki event page and to submit his receipts for reimbursement 02:35:15 <dan408_ii> #agreed FADNA will be 1 day additional *BEFORE* FUDCON Lawrence 02:35:33 <dan408_ii> jds2001: nag nag 02:36:04 <dan408_ii> #action jds2001 to submit his receipts for reimbursement and post a link to his blog post on the wiki event page 02:36:37 <dan408_ii> .famnaticket 33 02:36:39 <zodbot> dan408_ii: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 02:36:48 <kk4ewt> on this Event box and v-banner have retruned fro cposc 02:37:21 <dan408_ii> ok 02:37:58 <dan408_ii> what is the latest update on ticket 33 inode0? 02:38:45 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: we are waiting for people to submit ideas and bids 02:39:00 <dan408_ii> i asked about the playing cards last week 02:39:13 <dan408_ii> i also have received the shipment of multiboot dvds from nb 02:39:27 * inode0 knows nothing about this new 02:39:30 <kk4ewt> you mean multi-lives 02:39:39 <dan408_ii> yessir 02:39:50 <kk4ewt> someone was going to check aobut playing cards 02:40:05 <inode0> wasn't me 02:40:11 <kk4ewt> i dont reemember who but we can go back in the minutes 02:40:14 <dan408_ii> that is rbergeron's doing 02:40:28 <chanchito> the multi-live media seems to be more popular 02:40:36 <kk4ewt> someone was going to contact here to see where she got them 02:40:59 <dan408_ii> #action rbergeron to look into getting some more playing cards 02:40:59 <inode0> I would have thought dan408_ii would do it since he wants them 02:41:18 <dan408_ii> #action dan408 to nag rbergeron about playing cards 02:41:46 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: nag to see where they were gotten and get a quote 02:41:55 <dan408_ii> yessir 02:42:10 <chanchito> http://customizedplayingcards.com 02:42:34 <dan408_ii> so I have plenty of multiboot media, pens, and stickers 02:42:38 <inode0> using a known vendor will be better if we were happy with them 02:42:44 <dan408_ii> I will need to check into badges but i think I am pretty close to out 02:43:01 <dan408_ii> I gave my last F17 redhat summit limited edition live usb at SVLUG 02:43:50 <chanchito> do we have a known vendor? have we printed fedora playing cards before, for events? i'm new, so i wouldn't know 02:44:00 <inode0> we haven't but Red Hat has 02:44:05 <chanchito> wow, OK 02:44:11 <inode0> we need them to tell us who it was 02:44:23 <kk4ewt> nb has gotten quotes and started getting the PO for 5000 multi-lives 02:44:24 <chanchito> so i guess we need some inside scoop, then please ignore the link 02:44:55 <inode0> keep the link in reserve, we can also use a new vendor (just more work) 02:45:03 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: f17? any plans/updates for f18? 02:45:16 <kk4ewt> for f18 02:45:22 <dan408_ii> ok 02:45:43 <kk4ewt> f17 at this point i see no need to order anymore media 02:45:44 <dan408_ii> i would like if possible to have a live image of MATE and/or Cinnamon included if possible 02:45:52 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: +1 02:45:57 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: too late 02:46:04 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: okay no problem 02:46:22 <chanchito> i believe MATE is now an option in F18, am i imagining that? 02:46:29 <kk4ewt> have you followed the spins process got your ks done approved by the spins committee and the board 02:46:36 <dan408_ii> yes it is now in the installer and an accepted feature chanchito 02:46:52 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: i missed the spins deadline by a day or 2 so no. we will do one for 19. thank you. 02:47:03 <chanchito> yeah, i thought i read that on the beta page 02:47:24 <dan408_ii> chanchito: it is in anaconda netinstall image 02:47:36 <chanchito> so if we order media, any media, we should be all set, i'm sure a MATE fork will be made available for download 02:47:42 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: if you can get the ks approved i will do updated lives of it 02:47:55 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: okay, will discuss with you later 02:48:14 <chanchito> yeah means i can finally upgrade from F14 02:48:29 <chanchito> been on F14 since it was released 02:48:35 <dan408_ii> lol 02:48:45 <chanchito> started with F7 02:48:51 <dan408_ii> chanchito: we're still working on compiz ;) 02:49:05 <dan408_ii> okay so moving on, did I miss anything or time for open floor inode0? 02:49:36 <inode0> before open floor we have the next item to drum up a volunteer for leading the next meeting 02:50:02 <dan408_ii> ah 02:50:28 <dan408_ii> maybe masta can do it since it's not his birthday next week? 02:51:18 <dan408_ii> if not i will commit 02:51:25 <chanchito> done! 02:51:51 <kk4ewt> ihave another meeting next tuesday so i will play 3rd backup again 02:51:56 <dan408_ii> is that okay with you inode0 or did you have anyone else in mind? 02:52:26 <kk4ewt> dan408_ii: tobe honest as long as he doesnt have todo it he is happy 02:52:33 <inode0> whoever volunteers is fine with me! 02:52:42 <dan408_ii> kk4ewt: lol 02:52:44 <dan408_ii> okay! 02:52:59 <dan408_ii> #topic Open Floor 02:53:21 <dan408_ii> Just wanted to say thanks for coming and letting me host tonight! 02:53:32 <chanchito> good job dan! 02:53:38 <dan408_ii> thank you chanchito 02:54:10 <dan408_ii> anything else from the crowd? rbergeron? 02:54:50 <inode0> Please think about running for a Fedora governance position - nominations are sort of open right now 02:55:26 <dan408_ii> inode0: yes, everyone I wanted to nominate for appointed board pretty much declined due to lack of availability 02:55:36 <dan408_ii> inode0: exactly how constraining is being a member of the board? 02:55:41 <dan408_ii> time wise 02:56:05 <inode0> hard to answer that really 02:57:02 <dan408_ii> are there any requirements (besides getting votes)? also already being a contributor would be a requirement i would hope? 02:57:29 <inode0> the requirements are on the elections page 02:57:35 <inode0> I think 02:57:58 <inode0> or the nominations pages rather 02:58:14 <dan408_ii> townhall dates are still not set 02:58:44 <inode0> they can't be set until there are candidates 02:59:01 <dan408_ii> ok so as of right now nobody has even nominated themselves or anyone else? 02:59:17 <inode0> we are waiting for the slightly delayed announcemnt 02:59:32 <chanchito> if i wasn't traveling, i would have explored some of the positions, plus i'm still too new 03:00:16 <dan408_ii> #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Board_nominations&oldid=291178 03:00:25 <dan408_ii> there is some good info there from the last election 03:00:49 <kk4ewt> chanchito: i aint traveling and i have no interests in the positions 03:00:50 <dan408_ii> "Candidates may be anyone who is in the Fedora Account System, has completed the Fedora Project Contributor Agreement, and is not a citizen of an export-restricted country (see Legal/Export#Embargoed_Destinations for the list of export restricted countries). To be nominated, you must have a page within the nominations section of the Fedora wiki, and it should include a brief (500 words 03:00:50 <dan408_ii> or less) statement of purpose, vision, goals, etc." 03:01:52 <dan408_ii> inode0: okay. I will look out for the announcement sir 03:02:34 <dan408_ii> anything else for the open floor? 03:03:11 <dan408_ii> #endmeeting