01:00:14 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 31 01:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:14 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:22 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:32 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:45 * nb 01:00:45 <dan408--> here 01:00:54 <inode0> award3535 sends regrets along with some information about FADNA 01:01:12 <dan408--> somewhat here 01:01:21 <dan408--> at the datacenter 01:01:34 <inode0> #chair chanchito dan408-- rbergeron 01:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: chanchito dan408-- inode0 rbergeron 01:02:08 <chanchito> just left my data center 01:02:15 * nb is mostly here 01:02:24 <inode0> #chair nb 01:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: chanchito dan408-- inode0 nb rbergeron 01:02:45 <inode0> everyone needs to be all here - this is important :) 01:03:03 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:03:13 <inode0> #chair masta 01:03:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: chanchito dan408-- inode0 masta nb rbergeron 01:03:15 * masta is late 01:03:27 <masta> inode0: I can run it from here 01:03:31 <inode0> F18 is expected by spring break 01:03:46 * dan408-- keeps in mind to pay more attention 01:03:48 * inode0 kids, sor of 01:04:03 <inode0> any real announcements? 01:04:21 <inode0> #info F19 Election Announcement is imminent 01:04:22 * nb has something, but he guesses it is more of open floor than announcement 01:04:28 <dan408--> speaking at svlug on nov 1 01:04:29 <dan408--> thats it for me 01:04:48 <inode0> so if you are interested in running for any Fedora governance body please start thinking about it 01:05:19 <masta> ooo... power! 01:05:30 <dan408--> ill be speaking about thhe features of f18 so if theres anything youd like me to cover let me know 01:05:37 <inode0> or a target of ridicule depending 01:06:08 * dan408-- gets on a real computer 01:06:15 <masta> ok folks, looks liek we have the same tickets as last week 01:06:32 <masta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:06:36 <chanchito> yay consistency! :-) 01:06:36 <inode0> masta: feel free to grab the reins for the tickets section 01:07:02 <masta> .famnaticket 44 01:07:03 <inode0> we have one new item after that to select someone to lead next week's meeting then open floor 01:07:04 <zodbot> masta: #44 (CPOSC 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/44 01:07:19 * masta tickles jds2001 01:07:34 <inode0> there was a blog about that I think 01:07:57 <masta> I recall seeing some last minute swag expidite shipping 01:07:59 <dan408--> blog about what? 01:08:32 * masta hopes it was all taken care of in time 01:08:33 <inode0> link http://blog.jds2001.org/random_thoughts/2012/10/event-report-cposc-2012.html 01:08:41 <inode0> #link http://blog.jds2001.org/random_thoughts/2012/10/event-report-cposc-2012.html 01:09:08 <masta> inode0: thanks for the links 01:09:28 <inode0> just need to poke jds2001 to put it on the event page if he hasn't done that yet 01:09:33 <masta> since jds2001 is not here we will move forward 01:09:35 <dan408--> nice writeup jds2001 01:09:57 <masta> .famnaticket 36 01:09:59 <zodbot> masta: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:10:02 <chanchito> fun summary to read 01:10:30 <inode0> One bit of info here from award3535 01:10:31 <chanchito> whitespace is inhabited by invisible zombies from the 4th dimension 01:10:44 <chanchito> (sorry) 01:10:56 <inode0> He got prices for rooms at the hotel for FADNA meetings on Thursday 01:11:02 <masta> I cannot remember who was supposed to call the hotel and ask about the conference room? 01:11:13 <masta> from last meeting action items. 01:11:18 <inode0> The smaller which holds 40 or so people will be $250 - seems no problem to me 01:11:37 <masta> award3535 ? 01:12:06 <chanchito> does anyone have marriott rewards? call and the conference room might be free for gold or platinum members 01:12:06 <inode0> We might check on a smaller room than that if possible, but $250 should be doable for a workspace for the day even if that is the best we can get 01:12:10 <masta> inode0: jinx, sry... 01:12:18 <dan408--> wait i thought we were doing fadna at the same time as fudcon? 01:12:54 <inode0> The day before FUDCon will be devoted to FADNA and some parts of FADNA will be during FUDCon as well - that isn't all worked out yet 01:12:54 <masta> inode0: I say we jump on that room 01:13:00 <masta> get it reserved 01:13:18 <chanchito> if you reserve and change your mind, there is a fee 01:13:30 <chanchito> double check with the front desk, 01:13:42 <inode0> masta: FADNA isn't from our budget so we need to get approval for it but I don't think that will be a problem 01:13:43 <masta> chanchito: do you feel we have a better option available? 01:13:43 * kk4ewt 01:14:09 <dan408--> ok cool 01:14:15 <inode0> I'd like to see if there is a smaller room because we won't have 40 people 01:14:18 <chanchito> well, it doesn't hurt to ask and see if rewards members can get the room free as a perk, depending upon gold or silver or platinum level 01:14:21 <dan408--> brb gotta run to the cfr 01:14:24 <dan408--> car* 01:14:50 <chanchito> just hoping we check before we agree to pay, even for a small price, every penny counts 01:14:55 <inode0> actually, since Fedora is booking a bunch of rooms it might be "perkable" anyway 01:15:03 <chanchito> exactly 01:15:22 <chanchito> someone already registered, with rewards membership, should call and inquire 01:15:32 <masta> ok so we got some good intel from award3535... what is our next step going forward? 01:15:46 <chanchito> leverage existing reservation, leverage fedora, leverage rewards membership and make the pitch, lock it in for free 01:15:46 <inode0> or the FUDCon organizers might check if they will toss in a conference room with our block 01:15:47 <masta> chanchito: are you a reward member? 01:16:16 <dan408--> rewards with who? lol 01:16:17 <chanchito> yes i am, but i will be out of the country and missing fudcon this year, sadly 01:16:34 <chanchito> isnt the hotel for fudcon a marriott chain hotel? 01:16:39 <chanchito> unless it changed 01:16:42 * inode0 is bummed by that news 01:16:52 <chanchito> work drags me all over the planet, 01:16:57 <chanchito> im pissed believe me 01:17:28 <chanchito> no vacation since my mom died in 2007, imagine how sick of travel i am by now 01:17:32 <kk4ewt> inode0: a room the hotel says holds 40 is proable the right size 01:17:41 <chanchito> 40 sounds good 01:17:54 <masta> we can play games in there 01:18:00 <masta> go nuts 01:18:09 <masta> [jokes] 01:18:23 <masta> official fedora biz 01:18:31 <inode0> kk4ewt: ok, that is probably right - I imagine the OLF room could have held that many 01:19:08 <chanchito> it would be nice ( a small suggestion ) if people can bring swag catalogues, ideas, stuff we can see, and pitch some new items during the FadNA 01:19:19 <dan408--> have you guys talked to ianweller about rooms? 01:19:29 <inode0> not lately 01:19:34 <kk4ewt> chanchito: i think we have to have a budget before then 01:19:45 <chanchito> for 2013-2014 01:19:52 <kk4ewt> but we dont have to buy before then 01:19:55 <chanchito> i know this year is all set 01:20:20 <inode0> we can still buy for this year now if there are things we need 01:20:25 <chanchito> right, but getting pricing, ideas, planning, that's all, no worries, just an idea 01:21:17 <dan408--> might wanna talk to him since he's hosting fudcon and might have some local hookups 01:21:27 <inode0> go ahead :) 01:21:30 * masta will likely reserve his room in the next week or so.... has anybody booked their room yet? 01:21:36 <kk4ewt> dan408--: we asked ianweller to get 10 rooms for the block for wednesday 01:21:50 <ianweller> i haven't heard back about that 01:22:03 <ianweller> i'll send another email 01:22:28 <chanchito> samba! 01:22:55 <inode0> ianweller: if you want to ask about a conference room feel free to add that into the mix 01:23:15 <dan408--> kk4ewt: ok cool 01:23:26 <inode0> or if we are already getting some sort of hospitality room ... perhaps we could use that 01:23:50 <rbergeron> yo 01:24:01 <inode0> hey rbergeron 01:24:12 * rbergeron is here for like 3m, sorry 01:24:13 <chanchito> woo hoo! FPL in the house! :-) 01:24:25 <masta> #chair rbergeron 01:24:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: chanchito dan408-- inode0 masta nb rbergeron 01:24:39 <inode0> chair her again! 01:24:51 <rbergeron> wait, don't beat me with the chair :D 01:25:01 <masta> inode0: literally, again? 01:25:01 * dan408-- throws chair at rbergeron 01:25:16 <inode0> she was already chaired, no problem though 01:25:23 <masta> oh sry 01:25:31 * rbergeron thinks a room was requested but we can triple check 01:25:48 <inode0> well, we can get one for $250 if need be 01:25:49 <rbergeron> at least double check dates ifr nothing else :D 01:26:19 <masta> rbergeron: who is the POC for the conf room, as far as you remember? 01:26:30 <rbergeron> ruth suehle 01:26:35 <masta> ack 01:27:42 <masta> ok so we can sync up with suehle later, and failling that we have a $250 option 01:27:45 * rbergeron has to run off now, sorry guys - i'll bb in an hr or so 01:28:12 * inode0 hopes we have dispersed by then 01:28:47 <masta> #info suehle has possibly got a conf room lined up already, we need to ask her to make sure, otherwise the hotel has a 40 person $20 room available 01:29:02 <masta> #undo 01:29:02 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x4fbb9510> 01:29:09 <masta> #info suehle has possibly got a conf room lined up already, we need to ask her to make sure, otherwise the hotel has a 40 person $250 room available 01:30:21 <inode0> anything else on FADNA? 01:30:22 <masta> #info another option is reward members for marriot might get free conf rooms as a perk, if anybody is involved with that. 01:30:57 <masta> may we move along now, to the next ticket? 01:31:03 <masta> going once... 01:31:06 <masta> twice... 01:31:11 <masta> .famnaticket 33 01:31:15 <zodbot> masta: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:32:06 <masta> Does anybody have a proposal for new swag, and pricing? 01:32:39 <masta> anybody? 01:32:56 <masta> alright, we are moving to open floor 01:33:02 <kk4ewt> i am okwith everything there but Beefy miracle related 01:33:03 <inode0> as always if anyone who hasn't worked on swag would like to I'm normally around to help 01:33:13 <inode0> hold off on open floor please 01:33:26 * masta holds off 01:33:38 <kk4ewt> nb was the last one to order case badges 01:33:51 <kk4ewt> and i have no idea what he has left 01:33:53 <inode0> === Select Next Meeting Leader === 01:34:05 <inode0> he has thousands left 01:34:18 <inode0> bug him to send them to you if you need some 01:34:21 <masta> inode0: ack 01:35:27 <nb> who is needing case badges? 01:35:44 <inode0> masta: just want to develop the habit of getting someone to commit to run the next meeting right before open floor and #info that into the current meeting notes 01:35:46 <dan408--> new swag like what? 01:35:52 <dan408--> i need multiboot dvds 01:36:14 <nb> dan408--, they are going out tomorrow 01:36:14 <dan408--> i would burn some for tomorrow but i dont have any DL dvds 01:36:19 <inode0> nb has everything - everyone send all your requests to nb now 01:36:21 <dan408--> nb: too late 01:36:43 <dan408--> nb: but it's fine, i'll give out some f18 smoke12 beta net install cd's 01:37:04 <nb> dan408--, oh, i didn't know you needed them by a certain date 01:37:08 <dan408--> maybe it will get some people on irc and #fedora-qa 01:37:23 <dan408--> nb: yeah it's not a problem sir, i have plenty of other neat stuff to give out 01:37:44 <nb> inode0, am i the only one who has case badges left? 01:37:53 <dan408--> nb: im just speaking for 2 hours at SVLUG for 2 hours giving the fedora update, there will be like 10-15 people max 01:37:54 <nb> i have no more media, all of mine is on its way to dan408-- 01:37:57 <inode0> as far as I know but I don't really know 01:38:04 <dan408--> i have a few case badges, very few i think 01:38:11 <nb> and i think we all should have pens and stickers now 01:38:14 <inode0> kk4ewt is out and he is the one that matters the most 01:38:19 <dan408--> plenty of pens and stickers here 01:38:28 <dan408--> can we get some more playing cards? those things are wicked cool 01:38:39 <chanchito> yeah good idea 01:38:44 <chanchito> the cards are awesome 01:38:45 <inode0> we didn't make those so yes if someone makes them 01:38:58 <dan408--> who made them inode0 ? 01:39:06 * nb thinks we need to get tom to add them to the list 01:39:11 <nb> dan408--, robyn i think 01:39:12 <inode0> redhat people 01:39:12 <chanchito> i have contacts who make casino gaming equipment, if i can get logo permissions i can work on it 01:40:24 <inode0> Fedora isn't as flush as the casinos but we should be able to get logo permission - need the item we are making approved first 01:40:35 <dan408--> rbergeron: make more please :) 01:41:45 * nb will volunteer to ask spot for logo approval 01:42:33 <nb> unless chanchito wants to 01:43:24 <masta> nb: go for it 01:43:27 <nb> Oh, I have another topic 01:43:28 <nb> Buttons. 01:43:30 <nb> I have 0 01:43:43 <kk4ewt> nb we can trade 01:43:54 <nb> ok 01:44:10 <inode0> we can't ask for logo approval until we get the type approved, so what is being made exactly first 01:44:27 <nb> inibudi, well, i meant type approval not logo approval 01:44:31 <nb> inode0, ^ 01:44:35 <nb> playing cards 01:44:38 <nb> with the fedora logo 01:45:22 * inode0 suggests we point whoever is doing the work to the "rules" and have them send spot the request describing what they are proposing 01:45:23 <dan408--> yeah the playing cards are legit 01:45:26 <dan408--> shouldn't be too expensive 01:45:33 <inode0> it is only a one or two sentence email 01:45:55 <masta> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines 01:46:33 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft#Ambassador_Giveaways 01:46:50 <inode0> reminds folks we are playing by the draft rules to be nice now 01:46:54 <chanchito> ok sounds good 01:47:17 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Spot/New_Type_Or_Design_Approval_Process 01:47:35 <inode0> there isn't a ticket so just drop an email to fedora legal 01:48:46 <masta> anything else? 01:49:47 <inode0> It isn't a lifelong commitment - just a commitment for next week :) 01:50:39 <masta> Next week is my Birthday, so I'm not available 01:50:42 <inode0> ok, meeting next week is canceled 01:50:49 <masta> and also ellection night 01:51:12 <chanchito> cancelled, for real? 01:51:19 <masta> dan408--: interested? 01:51:22 <chanchito> sort of sad to do that 01:51:25 <inode0> no, but someone needs to volunteer to run it 01:51:33 <chanchito> i look forward to these meetings 01:51:36 <masta> dan408--: I could script the whole meeting for you ahead of time.... 01:51:49 <chanchito> hmmm 01:51:58 <chanchito> i hope we don't cancel 01:52:29 <chanchito> i miss quite a few, so when i am in the states, i like to join as many as possible 01:52:31 <masta> chanchito: unlikely 01:52:36 <chanchito> ok cool beans! 01:52:38 <chanchito> thx 01:52:41 <inode0> half of us will miss it anyway to due the time change this weekend 01:52:55 <chanchito> aaaahhhh 01:52:57 <chanchito> forgot 01:53:08 <masta> inode0: plus the presidential election that night 01:53:20 <inode0> just a reminder to all that we leave it at 9pm eastern 01:53:52 * inode0 shrugs at non-Fedora elections 01:54:00 <masta> inode0: lol 01:54:37 * inode0 senses we are no closer to having a volunteer 01:55:17 <masta> well hopefully graphite is interested.... otherwise I'd have to extend my sobriety by one hour in one week 01:56:00 <dan408--> masta: i can try 01:56:05 <dan408--> masta: just help me with the basics 01:56:09 <chanchito> go for it dan 01:56:12 <dan408--> and lets talk after the meeting 01:56:26 <masta> dan408--: ok sure... I'll help for sure :) 01:56:27 <dan408--> never done it before 01:56:45 <masta> dan408--: I'll show you how after this meeting 01:56:47 <inode0> people will be around to help during the meeting too 01:56:55 <inode0> don't sweat it 01:57:01 <masta> #info dan408-- tentativly accepts next week 01:57:14 * inode0 strikes tentatively 01:57:16 <masta> #action masta to show Dan how to chair the meeting 01:57:30 <dan408--> so are we on open floor now? 01:57:43 <dan408--> sorry im running around my cage in the datacenter like a mouse 01:57:46 <inode0> we need commitments - you can't make a bigger mess of it that I have over and over 01:57:46 <masta> inode0: can undo be done twice? 01:58:09 <kk4ewt> masta: try and see 01:58:15 <masta> #undo 01:58:15 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x5765a990> 01:58:19 <masta> #undo 01:58:19 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x5765ad90> 01:58:21 <dan408--> i fully commit, however, realize it is 6PM PST on a tuesday. 01:58:44 <inode0> that somehow doesn't make an impression on me 01:58:46 <kk4ewt> i well be third alternate 01:58:49 <kk4ewt> will 01:58:50 <masta> #info dan408-- has firmly accepted next week meeting chair 01:58:57 <masta> #action masta to show Dan how to chair the meeting 01:59:05 <dan408--> thankss 01:59:08 <masta> dan408--: it's easy 01:59:26 <masta> ok, moving on to open floor 01:59:47 <nb> media 01:59:59 <dan408--> i know its easy 02:00:04 <nb> I've heard some mention of people wanting to just order live media this release 02:00:08 <nb> what do people think abou that? 02:00:12 <dan408--> moving on to a different subject 02:00:14 * nb needs to send the request for quote in soon 02:00:19 <inode0> all live media 02:00:22 <kk4ewt> yes just live 02:00:35 <kk4ewt> the dvd multi-live 02:00:43 <dan408--> i'd like to bring up suehle's email to the list this/last week. please look up your local LUG's and volunteer. they are a lot of fun and they might take you out to dinner or throw stuff at you 02:01:59 * nb agrees 02:02:00 <kk4ewt> LOL my local Luug will tell you i am a royal PITA 02:02:05 <inode0> does anyone think it is important to continue producing pressed install media? 02:02:19 <dan408--> kk4ewt: why would they say such a thing? ;P 02:02:40 <kk4ewt> inode0: definitely yes 02:03:07 <inode0> now I am really confused 02:03:18 <dan408--> inode0: yes and it is important to make sure anaconda devs support it for 18 because they are not supporting installing multiple DE's off the DVD now. 02:04:08 <inode0> we did not give out any pressed F17 install media, why do we need it for F18 02:04:08 <kk4ewt> dan408--: and that has what to do with the multi-live dvd 02:04:34 <dan408--> kk4ewt: hopefully nothing 02:05:22 <kk4ewt> inode0: i misread your statement no install media is needed as all only multi-live 02:06:28 <inode0> anyone know what emea is planning? 02:06:41 <kk4ewt> nope but does it matter 02:06:54 * inode0 thinks it is highly lopsided in favor of live 02:07:10 <dan408--> lol 02:07:27 <nb> has anyone heard any complaints at events of not having pressed install media? 02:07:49 <inode0> it matters to me because we can learn from them just as they can learn from us 02:07:54 <kk4ewt> from my exiperence is they love the multi-live 02:08:29 <dan408--> nb: ill let you know thursday night or friday 02:08:30 <kk4ewt> they can play with each live and try it before they install 02:08:41 <dan408--> nb: because i'll be giving away smoke 12 net installs burned from my comp 02:08:59 <nb> so quote what? 5000 multilive? 02:09:10 <inode0> dan408--: that isn't a fair case since you don't have pressed live media either 02:09:12 <nb> i think last release we ordered 3500 live 1500 install 02:09:17 <kk4ewt> nb what did you order last year 02:09:18 <dan408--> huh? 02:09:49 <kk4ewt> nb what events do we have before the next release 02:09:59 <inode0> scale most likely :) 02:10:03 <kk4ewt> so i think 4000 should be enough 02:10:23 <dan408--> no i mean like it is a fair case because people can choose whatever desktop they want to insstall (yes it's not live i know), people can preview 18, maybe people might actually come on irc and try to get help in #fedora-qa with 18, i was talking about them saying something like "Wow this is so amateur" 02:11:03 <inode0> dan408--: I don't see what that has to do with what we press for F18 - it is good to be sure 02:11:52 <inode0> we don't need to decide quantity now, it isn't happening for weeks yet 02:12:01 <dan408--> yeah 02:12:12 <dan408--> well the idea here is getting people involved in the QA effort 02:12:40 <dan408--> luckily it's a small group 02:12:40 <inode0> that is good, not what will be happening at the Red Hat Summit though :) 02:12:50 <kk4ewt> scale, lfnw,lfnE ilf 02:12:52 <dan408--> lol 02:12:58 <nb> inibudi, we don't need to get a PO started? 02:13:01 <nb> inode0, ^ 02:13:15 <dan408--> inode0: is that what you are talking about? 02:13:25 <inode0> depends on how many months that takes you I guess 02:13:25 <dan408--> inode0: sorry i was thinking of smaller events 02:13:46 <kk4ewt> nb get prices on 4K and 5K 02:14:19 <inode0> yeah, pressed media is our big media order which mostly goes to bigger events although it goes to small events too if requested 02:14:56 <nb> kk4ewt, $0.80ea is for 3500 02:15:01 <nb> is what they told me a couple months ago 02:15:25 <nb> oops 02:15:26 <nb> $1.19ea 02:15:36 <masta> *we are 15 past the hour* 02:15:36 <kk4ewt> nb get prices on 4K and 5K please 02:15:38 <nb> .80 is bulk (no sleeves). 1.19 is with sleeves 02:15:40 <nb> kk4ewt, ok i will 02:16:32 <kk4ewt> the price break might be worth getting 5k 02:18:11 <masta> are we done? 02:18:18 <kk4ewt> i think so 02:18:19 <masta> going once... 02:18:24 <kk4ewt> shoot it 02:18:26 <masta> going twice... 02:18:31 <masta> #endmeeting