04:00:32 #startmeeting 04:00:32 Meeting started Sat Oct 27 04:00:32 2012 UTC. The chair is bckurera. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:54 #meetingname APAC 2012-10-27 04:00:54 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_2012-10-27' 04:01:07 Welcome to APAC bi-weekly meeting 04:01:15 today agenda is at 04:01:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-10-27 04:01:40 #topic Rollcall 04:01:49 .fas bckurera 04:01:50 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:01:59 .fas mavjs 04:02:00 MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' 04:02:01 .fas ankursinha 04:02:03 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:02:03 .fas niteshnarayanlal 04:02:06 niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayan 'nitesh narayan lal' - niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' 04:02:10 .fas suresht 04:02:11 Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:02:27 \o/ 04:02:32 .fas arifiauo 04:02:32 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 04:02:36 hi 04:02:40 .fas tuanta 04:02:41 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:02:47 sorry, problem with my network 04:02:53 hi everyone :) 04:03:07 here you are Tuan 04:03:14 #chair tuanta 04:03:14 Current chairs: bckurera tuanta 04:03:26 #chair arifiauo MavJS 04:03:26 Current chairs: MavJS arifiauo bckurera tuanta 04:03:28 #chair tuanta FranciscoD 04:03:29 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS arifiauo bckurera tuanta 04:03:31 * niteshnarayanlal will be back after few mins 04:03:31 * niteshnarayanlal is having lab eval 04:03:33 bckurera: please proceed, lets stick to the agenda, and finish the meeting in an hour for a change :) 04:03:43 #chair niteshnarayanlal 04:03:43 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS arifiauo bckurera niteshnarayanlal tuanta 04:03:49 ok here we are going 04:03:57 #topic News From FAmSCo 04:04:18 There is a news which is about Mentors 04:04:28 we have some new mentors for EMEA 04:04:37 * FranciscoD reminds people to use !, ?, EOF when required 04:04:47 +1 FranciscoD 04:04:49 #info new mentors for EMEA 04:04:51 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2012-October/020415.html 04:05:10 please welcome them !!! 04:05:23 +1 :) 04:05:27 :) 04:05:42 #info EMEA has 5 new mentors, congrats folks . . 04:05:43 #info Welcome new EMEA mentors 04:05:45 I met most of them @FUDCon Milan last year. 04:05:49 nice 04:05:55 tuanta you are lucky 04:06:00 eof 04:06:10 any more news from FAMSCO? 04:06:11 Hi folks 04:06:16 move? 04:06:23 hello kaio_ph 04:06:28 bckurera: aye, if you have nothing more to report. 04:06:36 #topic Review action items from last meeting 04:06:43 #chair kaio_ph 04:06:43 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS arifiauo bckurera kaio_ph niteshnarayanlal tuanta 04:06:45 anything to add here? 04:06:47 hi kaio_ph 04:06:58 ? 04:07:07 please tuanta 04:07:19 bckurera, how about the APAC Reimbursement guidelines? 04:07:28 is that done? 04:07:29 eof 04:07:50 is that an item from last meeting? 04:07:54 and... ! 04:07:59 ! 04:08:00 Otherwise we do it later, once the agenda has been taken care of 04:08:12 * FranciscoD goes to check agenda 04:08:14 will take it on open floor 04:08:17 aye 04:08:26 but if you need a quick answer I can asnwer now too 04:08:30 tuanta: I see you were to find out status of tickets 04:08:31 just one action item last meeting. And I got it done 04:08:38 bckurera: open floor, so it can be discussed if required? 04:08:50 ok, open floor. come on please 04:08:52 tuanta: Can you elaborate a little, for the logs? 04:09:05 sounds an info then :) 04:09:40 I got response from all ticket owners. And then some of them has been closed. 04:09:40 eof 04:09:50 #chair inode0 04:09:51 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS arifiauo bckurera inode0 kaio_ph niteshnarayanlal tuanta 04:09:51 Great 04:10:00 ok thanks tuanta 04:10:02 tuanta, good job :) 04:10:03 next topic? 04:10:09 #info tuanta got responses from all ticket owners and some tickets have been closed 04:10:14 yes, +1. next 04:10:26 +1 next 04:10:28 ! 04:10:29 #topic #APAC FUDCon bid process 04:10:41 tuanta please 04:11:07 just last thing for the tickets: I will follow them all next two weeks 04:11:19 #action tuanta follow tickets for next two weeks 04:11:22 thanks tuanta 04:11:36 bckurera: can we please have a point wise summary of the changes in the bid process you propose? 04:11:40 thanks, FranciscoD. eof 04:11:43 with info, for the logs? 04:11:57 tuanta I ll follow fund requests so that it is easy since I need to coordinate with 04:12:09 anyway your help is appreciated, thankks ! 04:12:47 FranciscoD yeah I made a new idea about that some time back, but I think after reading responses it is better to follow what we have now 04:12:57 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process 04:13:10 understood. +1 bckurera 04:13:24 #info No change to FUDCon bid process 04:13:41 bckurera: next topic please then :) 04:13:41 yeah I just made an idea :) 04:13:54 moving 04:14:01 #topic APAC Events: plans, status, reports 04:14:49 1. Any event reports? 04:15:02 2. Any even requirements? Swag requests? 04:15:20 ping niteshnarayanlal 04:15:21 * FranciscoD waits for any responses 04:15:26 ! 04:15:31 tuanta: go 04:16:09 next times, I think it's better to merge those stuffs into "trac review" topic 04:16:21 tuanta: you mean with tickets? 04:16:24 ! 04:16:32 yes 04:16:33 eof. 04:16:39 bckurera go :) 04:16:50 #idea Discuss events in trac review agenda topic 04:17:15 I think discussing SWAG requests on the meeting is a time waste, we can do it on trac and if no response on the mailing list 04:17:23 but being frank we have no SWAG stock now 04:17:25 hello niteshnarayan 04:17:34 bckurera: I intend to discuss that in open floor. 04:17:43 :) 04:17:49 +1 04:18:06 ok, let it delay to open floor too 04:18:06 Reminder to everyone: PLEASE FILE TRAC TICKETS FOR ANY EVENT REQUIREMENTS 04:18:11 #info Reminder to everyone: PLEASE FILE TRAC TICKETS FOR ANY EVENT REQUIREMENTS 04:18:21 the best thing is ask money and produce locally 04:18:25 +1 04:18:28 bckurera: we'll discuss that 04:18:48 till something is in place :) 04:18:50 eof 04:18:59 #topic Miscellaneous 04:19:10 We need to provide NA with an address to ship over the badges 04:19:14 Any suggestions? 04:19:26 Any one have any events planned where they can be used? 04:19:41 FranciscoD we were not that the Discuss Ticket topic :) 04:20:01 What are the competing FUDCon bids? Do the bid owners need these? 04:20:09 bckurera: ah, we'll take that after this then. 04:20:13 * FranciscoD cleans his glasses 04:20:35 Actually the situation is like that 04:20:38 ! 04:20:43 inode0: please, 04:20:45 +1 FranciscoD. they should be shipped to FUDCon APAC 2013 04:20:50 still there is no FUDCon bid open for APAC 04:20:55 We are sending 2000 of them so I hope you can use them at a lot of events 04:21:07 I am still waiting for Robyn about that 04:21:09 ! 04:21:09 #info 2000 badges available 04:21:17 bckurera: waiting on what please? 04:21:38 tuanta: you're up once bckurera finishes 04:21:41 we can send them to someone who is very likely to attend FUDCon if you want and they can be distributed there 04:21:54 Waiting for some tentative dates/ period for FUDcon 2013 in APAC 04:22:08 but we can discuss about the possibilities and get ready 04:22:19 that is why I wanted and that is why I initiated the discussion 04:22:22 eof 04:22:31 #info the best way to distribute swags inside APAC is in FUDCon 04:22:31 tuanta please 04:22:32 eof 04:22:37 * niteshnarayan hopes that the dates lies after 10 december 04:23:17 +1 tuanta 04:23:34 yes tuanta I wrote a mail explaining my plan some weeks back, FUDCon 2013 is the target, that is why it is so important 04:24:01 I was discussing about preparing SWAGs for the best price and distributing them on next FUDCon 04:24:04 #info Defer postal address for badges until some info on the FUDCon is concrete 04:24:12 so that we dont want to worry about postage 04:24:15 ! 04:24:17 and tax fee 04:24:18 inode0: go 04:24:48 Don't wait until we use up ours because we'll start using yours - just give us an address and that person can take them to FUDCon please 04:24:59 inode0: noted 04:25:02 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2012-September/020311.html 04:25:28 bckurera: you're probably going to be at the next fudcon 04:25:35 as our famsco representative 04:25:35 inode0 thanks for info, need to follow it 04:25:42 :) 04:26:12 bckurera: is it okay if we get the badges shipped to you? You can get them to the FUDCon? 04:26:23 i think we can find at least one of FAm from each and every country in APAC in next FUDCon 04:26:42 FranciscoD it is good, i can take the responsibility 04:26:49 Great. 04:26:51 cool 04:27:00 inode0: who should we give the postal address to? 04:27:08 nb ? 04:27:53 #action bckurera find out who to give postal address to 04:27:54 #action bckurera give postal address 04:28:00 I ll contact inode0 and see 04:28:06 ok will move then 04:28:06 #action bckurera receive and confirm reception of badges 04:28:14 #action bckurera get badges to next fudcon 04:28:16 phew.. 04:28:25 lot of actions :D 04:28:30 XD 04:28:32 a lot :) 04:28:35 bckurera: are trac tickets the next topic? 04:28:46 since I seem to have gotten lost ;) 04:28:46 and I believe that bckurera can not finish them 04:28:47 nothing to discuss 04:28:58 in trac tickets? 04:28:58 at least, the last one :) 04:29:01 at all? 04:29:02 :O 04:29:08 but can we discuss about FUDcon bid if required? 04:29:23 bckurera: lets just mention the topic for our logs 04:29:24 bckurera: let it to open floor 04:29:30 ok then move :) 04:29:39 #topic Open Floor 04:29:50 #info No trac tickets to discuss this meeting 04:29:53 how about trac tickets review? 04:29:58 ok :) 04:30:21 If there is any fund requests for approval then will take it here 04:30:29 tuanta: bckurera said there aren't any to discuss ^ 04:30:40 at the moment there is no fund requests waiting for approval so we can proceed 04:30:45 great 04:30:51 FranciscoD explain more :) 04:31:24 Folks we are in the open floor so discuss :) 04:31:26 * FranciscoD goes to look at current logs for topics to be discussed in open floor 04:31:32 * niteshnarayan wants to know where he missed the step 04:31:48 1. Reimbursement guideline 04:31:52 as I didn't get the swags , so I think from next time it will be better 04:32:01 to get them locally 04:32:11 and then ask for reimbursement 04:32:13 niteshnarayan: we'll come to that 04:32:20 sure thing 04:32:32 bckurera: what do you propose? 04:32:40 niteshnarayan for swags our only hope is Harish, at the moment there is no stock, that is why we need to produce them locally 04:32:40 again, point wise summary, with infos 04:32:46 please do it and ask for money 04:33:10 until there is a system in place 04:33:15 bckurera, yeah I had mailed him , but didn't got any reply 04:33:16 #info Produce swag locally, file ticket, get reimbursed 04:33:33 thanks FranciscoD :) 04:33:37 bckurera: is it possible to have another reimbursement wrangler? Harish seems quite busy most of the time. 04:33:56 Is this something famsco can discuss with the board or whoever? 04:34:01 yeah true :P 04:34:35 Or can we just request NA folks to reimburse us? They seem to have a few folks with fedora credit cards or whatever. 04:34:54 May be one of them can be given a card that is linked to the APAC budget? 04:35:02 To do it for us? 04:35:06 FranciscoD we discussed that, first of all I ll try to contact Harish and ask his opinion, he did it best and so we need to do that 04:35:11 Unlikely, but I would suggest talking to rbergeron about fixing this. 04:35:56 We are on the process, so need to wait to see results :) 04:35:57 +1 inode0 04:36:01 inode0: What are the responsibilities of a fedora credit card holder? To ensure reimbursements requests are valid, and to make them in time? 04:36:20 And therefore have a say in the budget management? 04:36:40 Ok shall i talk about the reimbursement guideline tuanta asked 04:36:48 Yes, although the credit card holder needs a relationship with Red Hat finance, so it isn't quite as easy as just us naming one. 04:37:00 * FranciscoD thought so 04:37:14 maybe someone from the redhat pune office, Rahul? 04:37:27 bckurera: harish does it really well, but he's go too much on his plate really. 04:37:58 #info Think about another fedora credit card holder for APAC to help harish cope with tickets 04:38:15 FranciscoD that is what I noted, we are clearing one by one, now we have guidline fixed then we need to address this issue 04:38:21 We are a *huge* geographical region, and just one person handling all the tickets is going to be diffucult. 04:38:37 so we are on the process of discussing, it needs time 04:38:52 bckurera: can you refresh us on the current status 04:39:01 ok that would be good 04:39:01 and how long the discussion has been going on? ie, with time frames? 04:39:07 please use infos 04:39:39 ? 04:39:44 #info Regarding APAC reimbursement guideline is in place now 04:39:48 * FranciscoD notes that we are 39 minutes into the meeting. 20 more minutes max 04:39:58 inode0: you're up once bckurera finishes with his info notes ;) 04:40:24 #info Wea re discussing about how budget should be handle with in the regions and how budget should be estimated per region 04:40:51 bckurera: region: countries within APAC, or the fedora regions LATAM EMEA NA APAC? 04:41:01 #info in the mean time I am working with how to manage SWAG in APAC 04:41:38 those are the work in progress, and we need to discuss with harish and see how to manage reimbursement in the future 04:41:46 bckurera: what is the status of the second point? "how budget should be handle with in the regions and how budget should be estimated per region" 04:42:02 Has the discussion begun? Who is involved? What is involved? 04:42:03 FranciscoD regions LATAM EMEA NA APAC 04:42:34 FranciscoD not yet finalized, still other regions are trying to fix their reimbursement guidelines like NA and LATAM 04:42:48 Okay. Sounds good. 04:43:19 bckurera: is there a period by when we'll know our budget? 04:43:29 i think with in 2 3 months we will be at a good position with everything is in place and ready to go :) 04:43:44 Great :) 04:43:54 please eof when you're done bckurera so inode0 can speak :) 04:44:06 FranciscoD I cannot predict, it is based on discussions not only in FAmSCo but with Robyn and Ruthe 04:44:15 so that is the situation 04:44:18 please inode0 04:44:28 Would one person with a credit card in APAC be able to make purchases in all the various countries? Is paypal available to be used for reimbursements? 04:44:44 ! 04:44:56 bckurera: go 04:45:07 * FranciscoD uses paypal, can be linked to credit cards here too 04:45:11 inode0 - paypal not work for all countries so we use western union for some countries like Sri Lanka :) 04:45:33 #info paypal not work for all countries so we use western union for some countries 04:45:37 Does WU accept payments via credit cards? 04:45:41 bckurera: how about we make a list of countries with what modes can be used for reimbursement? 04:45:56 * FranciscoD isn't sure about WU 04:46:07 * inode0 thinks it varies by country too 04:46:11 inode0: yeah 04:46:15 FranciscoD good I ll add as my action item 04:46:27 #info PayPal is avail in Vietnam now. 04:46:31 inode0 no you cannot, you have withdraw money from ATM and pay WU 04:46:32 Someone with paypal can receive the reimbursement, and transfer it by WU etc, if required 04:46:47 aye, methings WU is generally cash based 04:46:55 bckurera: I can do it, you already have a lot to do :) 04:47:00 I would be happy to help push for an APAC credit card holder but I think they will likely be more limited in what they can do with it due to these concerns. 04:47:03 FranciscoD that waste some $$$ as their fee 04:47:05 Still it would help. 04:47:36 inode0: how about online transfers, can the credit card transfer to a bank account? 04:47:50 not that I am aware of 04:48:00 hrm 04:48:01 It is not possible wither :) 04:48:21 #info there are a lot of APAC countries supported by PayPal 04:48:23 #link https://www.paypal.com/vn/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-approved-signup-countries-outside 04:48:25 #action FranciscoD make a wiki page list of coutries and how people in them can be reimbursed (paypal/wu/etc) 04:48:44 tuanta: i'll ask people to actually try a demo and then confirm 04:48:50 just to be sure 04:49:00 So a credit card will help but we'll still need someone from Red Hat who has more flexibility I think. 04:49:21 Folks please lets do it like this 04:49:40 First of all I ll discuss this with Harish and inform you at the next meeting progress 04:50:27 #action Discuss with Harish about the refurbishment with in APAC (by using Redhat credit card) and update at the next meeting 04:50:36 bckurera: +1 04:50:39 I hope that will solve all problems :) 04:50:54 bckurera: please extend the discussion to "any reimbursement methods possible" 04:51:04 since we'll need to look into all available channels when dealing with APAC 04:51:15 FranciscoD please explain what you meant by "any" 04:51:29 any = paypal. WU etc??? 04:51:34 aye 04:51:39 ok sure 04:52:07 okay, we've discussed reimbursement, and come up with some ideas 04:52:25 Anything else to discuss in the open floor? (I have an item or two) 04:52:39 however if anyone need a reimbursement with high urgency please contact me directly I ll try to solve it soon till we have something in place 04:52:53 FranciscoD I have :) 04:52:59 #info please contact bckurera for urgent reimbursements 04:53:01 bckurera: please go ahead 04:53:13 we have 7 more minutes to the hour mark, so lets be quick folks 04:53:26 I have an idea on starting F18 release party dinners for FAms 04:53:38 I think our budget will permit for that 04:53:50 cool 04:53:55 +1 04:53:58 I ll write my proposal and post it to ML, please do respond 04:54:10 sure 04:54:15 we support you 04:54:16 #info bckurera will send proposal about release party dinners to ML 04:54:16 This is basically to motivate our great FAms 04:54:27 +1 04:54:30 bckurera, +1 for the idea 04:54:32 Yes, we need to motivate them :) 04:54:33 Thanks guys 04:54:44 bckurera: anything else? 04:54:46 I ll post the proposal soon 04:54:53 I am done for today :) 04:54:56 okay 04:54:59 my turn :P 04:55:07 yeah please 04:55:07 and make release party is a real party :) 04:55:26 tuanta very important 04:55:40 I have no more idea today 04:55:50 one question who is going to post logs? 04:55:56 * FranciscoD will 04:56:03 cool 04:56:13 ok then will meet at November 10th 04:56:17 very good meeting today 04:56:23 hope to see you all next meetings 04:56:25 1. Someone needs to take over the responsibility of running after APAC members to hold events 04:56:28 and plan them 04:56:32 etc 04:56:37 2. APAC fudcon bids 04:56:43 Who wants to hold the next apac fudcon? 04:57:01 just Indonesian up to now 04:57:03 3. Meetings don't really need all the attendees to be chairs :) 04:57:18 tuanta: we'd like more than one bid. We need to work on that. 04:57:39 4. Move ambassadors to contribute to other parts of the community too. 04:57:57 FranciscoD, IMO, let all chair is just fine 04:58:11 The idea is that you need to get involved more in the community. Just stagnating as an ambassador isn't growth. 04:58:26 tuanta: that isn't really the definition of a chair. 04:58:27 +1 FranciscoD 04:58:34 +1 FranciscoD 04:58:38 * bckurera FranciscoD come on Australia this time :) :) 04:58:46 agree with you 04:58:53 that maybe called: bench :) 04:58:56 bckurera: alas, I'm alone here. And I'm a grad student, so I really cannot manage a fudcon 04:59:05 FranciscoD: +1 on No.4 04:59:20 tuanta: no, the chair presides over the meeting and is responsible for basic actions such as: 04:59:24 * bckurera FranciscoD just kidding :) 04:59:30 a. sticking to the agenda 04:59:37 b. ensuring all topics are covered 04:59:40 c. posting logs 05:00:05 understood. those are the list we done 05:00:09 we don't need everyone to take care of this. 05:00:26 okay, another thing 05:00:27 FranciscoD you are right but it makes meetings dull, so it is better if all involve on the process 05:00:41 bckurera: everyone is more than welcome to discuss. 05:00:53 but meetings should be limited to agendas. 05:00:58 We can talk after meetings. 05:01:15 The purpose of meetings is not to talk to each other. You have the other 23 hours of the day for that ;) 05:01:20 We can share work and do it, then there is activeness and more power, I like what we have now !!! more energetic 05:01:24 Meetings = work. 05:01:43 * FranciscoD fails to see how one chair reduces energy levels 05:01:54 One advantage of chairing everyone is that everyone can give themselves #actions :) 05:02:07 +1 inode0 05:02:26 and #info, #idea, etc. 05:02:30 as long as *one* person runs the meeting, I don't really mind who is assigned as a chair 05:02:42 k seems like time is passing shall we conclude with great ideas !!! 05:02:50 but I really want *one* person to run the meeting. 05:02:56 * inode0 agrees with that entirely FranciscoD 05:02:58 any volunteers for next meeting chair? 05:03:07 niteshnarayan: would you like to chair? 05:03:15 One request please respond to posts on Mailing list which need some discussion if you are silent then it means nothing to say :) 05:03:21 MavJS: ? 05:03:32 yeah sure I can take up if I will be available on that 05:03:45 niteshnarayan you are the hero :) 05:03:50 niteshnarayan: please confirm a few days before the meeting. As of now, you are the next meeting chair :) 05:04:01 bckurera, actually the classes are going on :P 05:04:09