17:01:18 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-10-22
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17:01:27 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
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17:01:51 <cwickert> #chair aeperezt cwickert
17:01:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt cwickert
17:01:57 <cwickert> #chair nb
17:01:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt cwickert nb
17:02:05 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:02:05 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:02:20 <cwickert> #chair Sesivany
17:02:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sesivany aeperezt cwickert nb
17:03:01 * cwickert looks for dbruno, herlo and dckurera
17:03:06 <cwickert> erm, bckurera
17:03:12 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
17:03:18 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:03:18 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:03:44 <Sesivany> Im connected from my cell phone, couldnt make it to the computer today, so Ill be rather passive.
17:03:55 <Sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:03:55 <zodbot> Sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:04:27 <cwickert> #chair herlo
17:04:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sesivany aeperezt cwickert herlo nb
17:04:35 <herlo> hello all
17:05:24 <cwickert> anybody else here?
17:06:03 <aeperezt> hello all
17:06:12 <nb> hi
17:07:19 <cwickert> #info present: aeperezt, cwickert, herlo, Sesivany and nb; dbruno and bckurera are not
17:07:40 <cwickert> ok, lets start
17:07:53 <cwickert> the meeting agenda is at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:08:02 <cwickert> lets deal with the easy tickets first
17:08:10 <cwickert> that is the approval of new mentors
17:08:29 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Zoltan Hoppar (zoltanh721)
17:08:31 <cwickert> .fas 321
17:08:31 <zodbot> cwickert: nishantnik321 'Nishant Singh' <piklunishant@gmail.com> - lumpster321 'gary bump' <garybump47@gmail.com> - prash4321 'Prashant Singh Genda' <prash4321@gmail.com> - coolashu321 'Ashutosh Gupta' <coolashu321@gmail.com> - roylinux 'roy jesse' <aragon673212@aol.com> - nuero 'zhulu' <371132139@qq.com> - xyz321 '' <xy.ziemba@gmail.com> - vishalsingh321 'Vishal Singh' <vishal.singh321@gmail.com> - jimw54321 'Jim (5 more messages)
17:08:40 <herlo> cwickert: I wanted to ask one question on this before we start down the list
17:08:41 <cwickert> oops
17:08:46 <herlo> lol
17:08:50 <cwickert> .famsco 321
17:08:50 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/321
17:08:54 <cwickert> herlo: shoot
17:09:08 <herlo> specifically, how many mentors do you have currently in EMEA?
17:09:28 <cwickert> herlo: you are FAMA, aren't you=
17:09:29 <cwickert> ?
17:09:40 <herlo> cwickert: lol, yes. But I don't have that information.
17:09:52 * herlo is still new, so he maybe is supposed to know this, but doesn't
17:10:29 <herlo> cwickert: I'm asking because I'm mostly interested in why the need to have so many additional mentors.
17:10:31 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
17:10:36 * herlo notes he's not necessarily opposed.
17:10:40 <cwickert> because we only have 1,5 atm
17:10:56 <herlo> cwickert: k, I knew it was there. I should have looked there! :/
17:11:10 <herlo> okay, good enough. just wanted to document the need
17:11:11 <cwickert> one is rsc, the other is fab, but he is only partly available (that's 0,5) ;)
17:11:26 <herlo> cwickert: let's move forward
17:11:47 <cwickert> ok, any objections against zoltanh721?
17:11:59 * herlo votes for zoltanh721
17:12:07 <Sesivany> not from me
17:12:12 <Sesivany> +1
17:12:13 <cwickert> for the minutes: lets make zoltanh721 a mentor
17:12:14 <cwickert> +1
17:12:19 <aeperezt> +1
17:12:22 <Sesivany> +1
17:12:35 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
17:12:40 <herlo> that's 5 +1s, motion carries
17:12:45 <cwickert> erm?
17:12:54 * cwickert counts only 4
17:13:05 <herlo> cwickert: I said I vote for, that's a +1
17:13:13 <cwickert> what about nb?
17:13:25 <Southern_Gentlem> mentors are suppose to be nominated by mentors and i did  not  see a =1 from Fab who is a mentor?
17:13:30 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
17:13:41 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: hold on
17:13:50 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: there was an email on that, actually.
17:13:53 <cwickert> you are not supposed to vote, are you?
17:13:55 * herlo goes to find it...
17:14:01 <herlo> cwickert: he's pointing out policy
17:14:10 <Southern_Gentlem> i didnt vote i am pointing out policy
17:14:43 <cwickert> AFAIK the policy says the proposal must come from FAMA, right?
17:14:50 <Southern_Gentlem> no
17:14:59 <Southern_Gentlem> propsals come from mentors
17:15:07 <Southern_Gentlem> to FAMSCO for approval
17:15:09 <herlo> cwickert: mentors nominate mentors
17:15:14 * herlo didn't nominate these folks
17:15:33 <Southern_Gentlem> now if fab had +1 in the ticket i would have no issue
17:15:38 <cwickert> guys, this sucks
17:15:43 <herlo> cwickert: hang on
17:15:44 <cwickert> he did +1 in the ticket
17:15:45 <Southern_Gentlem> but we are going to follow our rules
17:16:01 <cwickert> where are the rules?
17:16:03 <herlo> I think fab technically did nominate
17:16:12 <herlo> cwickert: on the same page you pointed me to earlier
17:16:17 <nb> +1 to the new mentors
17:16:23 <cwickert> herlo: no they are not
17:16:41 <Southern_Gentlem> cwickert,  show me in that ticket that fab +1
17:16:51 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: it's there
17:16:54 <Southern_Gentlem> the ticket shows that fab took ownership
17:16:55 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: read the backlog
17:17:13 <herlo> cwickert: yes it is
17:17:14 <herlo> "Regional Ambassador Mentors are a group of people - selected, proposed and appointed by people - not by a leveling system - based on trust (and a lot of soft facts), Prospective mentors are nominated by existing Mentors and confirmed by FAmSCo - [1]. If you want to be a mentor for the Ambassador group, be a good ambassador and if asked, volunteer to help, when needed. One great way to prepare is, to be a good mentor for the project as a whole."
17:17:20 <herlo> that's on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor#Regional_Ambassador_Mentors
17:17:48 * herlo argues that fab did indeed nominate these prospective mentors
17:17:55 <cwickert> we are dealing with two different problems
17:18:02 <cwickert> 1. lack of documentation
17:18:16 <nb> comment:2 Changed 8 hours ago by fab
17:18:17 <nb> This ticket is open for a week now. Are there any objections?
17:18:25 <herlo> cwickert: it's documented
17:18:26 * nb interprets that as fab supporting the proposal
17:18:28 <herlo> as I showed above
17:18:42 <Southern_Gentlem> herlo i see where fab assigned the ticket to himself but i dont see a +1 from him
17:18:43 <cwickert> herlo you had an action item to document the stuff from https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/mentoring in the wiki
17:18:50 <herlo> as for the nomination, http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2012-October/020378.html
17:19:02 <herlo> cwickert: it's documented
17:19:05 <herlo> I keep saying this
17:19:15 <herlo> it doesn't need to be on *that* page specifically
17:19:28 <cwickert> ok, what are we talking about now? the individual nomination or the process?
17:19:30 <herlo> it just needs to be on the wiki and it is. Plus, I haven't had time to get to that.
17:19:35 <herlo> the process
17:19:55 <cwickert> ok, where is the authoritative source for the process?
17:19:57 <Southern_Gentlem> cwickert,  in this case the nomination
17:20:16 <herlo> cwickert: the process is on the page I noted above.
17:20:21 <herlo> it's clear
17:20:36 <Southern_Gentlem> i have no opinion on the candidate just want the policy followed is all
17:20:36 <herlo> Prospective mentors are nominated by existing Mentors and confirmed by FAmSCo - [1]
17:21:03 <Southern_Gentlem> so if it is the consenus that fab made the nomination so be it
17:21:18 <herlo> cwickert: it was agreed to here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-meeting.2010-01-07-18.06.html
17:21:32 <herlo> item 'h' under 4. Rules for FAMSCO elections
17:22:05 <cwickert> herlo: some mailing list post is hard to find, that's why should have it properly in the wiki
17:22:11 <herlo> cwickert: ??
17:22:18 <herlo> it is documented in the wiki properly
17:22:36 <herlo> it may not be on the page you want it on, but it is documented
17:22:42 <Southern_Gentlem> so the vote is legal and should stand
17:22:47 <cwickert> hold on
17:22:52 <cwickert> one thing at a time
17:23:02 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: yes, please hold on
17:23:10 <cwickert> herlo: I think the documentation is a little sparse
17:23:26 <herlo> cwickert: that's fine. When I have time, I will codify it in a more central place.
17:23:41 <cwickert> it should be documented in the wiki properly and we should consolidate the info from https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/mentoring into one page
17:24:10 <cwickert> #action herlo to add the info from https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/mentoring to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor#Regional_Ambassador_Mentors
17:24:11 <herlo> cwickert: that has been discussed and agreed previously. I'm not debating this with you.
17:24:18 <Southern_Gentlem> cwickert, 1) it is on the wiki and it was approved by this committee  as pointed out in the meeting minutes of this committee
17:24:21 <herlo> cwickert: we don't need another action item
17:24:29 <herlo> it's on a previous one and I know about it
17:24:35 <cwickert> ok, sorry about it
17:24:40 <herlo> #undo
17:24:40 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2678d090>
17:24:51 <herlo> let's move back to the task at hand
17:25:15 <cwickert> herlo: FYI: I just received a mail today and somebody asked me how to become a mentor, so obviously this is not clear
17:25:21 <herlo> now, are we are clear that fab nominated the folks?
17:25:30 <herlo> cwickert: or they didn't read
17:25:52 <herlo> are we clear that fab nominated the potential Mentors?
17:26:13 <cwickert> as for the nominations in trac
17:26:25 <cwickert> these come from a session at FUDCon
17:26:36 <Southern_Gentlem> herlo,  for what it is worth i will nominate zoltanh721 as a mentor
17:26:41 <herlo> cwickert: that, and the mailing list post above makes it clear to me. Everyone else agree?
17:26:50 <cwickert> the only reason while I filed them instead of fab was that he was running the session
17:26:58 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: sure, but we can just do this in one swath if we agree here.
17:27:12 <cwickert> I filed these tickets on behalf of fab, understood?
17:27:22 <cwickert> he was in the room and asked me to do it
17:27:32 <cwickert> and he already gave his +1 in the ticket
17:27:36 * pingou can testify
17:27:36 <herlo> let's get everyone else to agree, but I think it's a formality
17:27:40 <cwickert> by asking if there are any objections
17:27:47 <herlo> sure
17:27:51 <herlo> sounds good ot me
17:27:53 <cwickert> propsal: lets make zoltan721 a mentor
17:27:55 <cwickert> +q
17:27:57 <cwickert> +1
17:28:00 <cwickert> argh
17:28:06 <Sesivany> +1
17:28:13 <aeperezt> +1
17:28:17 <herlo> +1
17:28:26 <herlo> nb: ??
17:28:56 <nb> +1
17:29:17 <cwickert> agreed: zoltan721 is a new mentor for the EMEA region
17:29:21 <cwickert> #agreed: zoltan721 is a new mentor for the EMEA region
17:29:41 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Gerold Kassube (geroldka)
17:29:49 <cwickert> .famsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/322
17:29:49 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/322
17:30:02 <cwickert> propsal: lets make geroldka a mentor
17:30:05 <cwickert> +1
17:30:08 <nb> +
17:30:13 <nb> +1
17:30:13 <aeperezt> +1
17:30:17 <Sesivany> +1
17:30:21 * rbergeron pops in while she can
17:30:30 <herlo> +1
17:30:36 <cwickert> #agreed: geroldka is a new mentor for the EMEA region
17:30:46 * herlo likes the pace of this... :0
17:30:48 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Kévin Raymond (shaiton)
17:30:54 <herlo> +1
17:30:56 <cwickert> .fasmsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/323
17:31:02 <Sesivany> +1
17:31:04 <cwickert> propsal: lets make shaiton a mentor
17:31:07 <cwickert> +1
17:31:18 <nb> +1
17:31:22 <cwickert> for France only btw
17:31:41 <herlo> how you determine the local region is not a concern imo
17:31:45 <cwickert> or preferably for France
17:31:59 <herlo> that's an EMEA discussion, fwiw
17:32:06 <cwickert> #agreed: shaiton is a new mentor for France
17:32:23 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Jiri Eischmann (eischmann)
17:32:30 <nb> +1
17:32:30 <cwickert> .fasmsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/324
17:32:33 <cwickert> +1
17:32:35 <herlo> +1
17:32:41 <Sesivany> Im not voting :-)
17:32:48 <cwickert> :)
17:32:52 * herlo notes this is Sesivany
17:32:52 <thunderbirdtr> +1 :)
17:33:03 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: you are not allowed to vote :)
17:33:04 <herlo> lol, thunderbirdtr you don't vote
17:33:13 <cwickert> aeperezt: what about you?
17:33:15 <herlo> thanks for the vote of confidence, however.
17:33:17 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, herlo okey okey :) I will just sit
17:33:18 <aeperezt> +1
17:33:36 <cwickert> #agreed: eischmann is a new mentor for EMEA
17:33:41 <Sesivany> thunderbirdtr: thanks for your vote anyway ;-)
17:33:44 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Christos Bacharakis (cmpahar)
17:33:51 <cwickert> .fasmsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/325
17:33:52 <cwickert> +1
17:33:53 <herlo> +1
17:33:57 <thunderbirdtr> Sesivany, you're welcome
17:34:09 <Sesivany> +1
17:34:28 <cwickert> aeperezt, nb: your votes please
17:34:34 <aeperezt> +1
17:35:04 * cwickert doesn't want to wait for nb
17:35:08 <nb> +1
17:35:08 <cwickert> #agreed: cmaphar is a new mentor for EMEA
17:35:11 <cwickert> :)
17:35:15 <herlo> lol
17:35:39 <cwickert> ok, as you can see things went pretty smooth once we agreed on the rules
17:35:55 <cwickert> one more reason to have them documented properly
17:36:16 <Sesivany> Ill be right back, switching to computer...
17:36:25 <Southern_Gentlem> cwickert, sorry but if you want to beat that horse its on the wiki so that is
17:36:28 <Southern_Gentlem> it
17:36:59 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: people come and go, you can hardly know anybody what was discussed in a meeting in 2012
17:37:20 <herlo> let's not repeat this discussion. I've already agreed to clean it up
17:37:47 <herlo> moving on
17:38:13 <cwickert> yeah, please make sure you do it when you find the time
17:38:24 <cwickert> lets move to our favorite
17:38:29 <herlo> :)
17:38:33 <cwickert> #topic Budget review guidelines
17:38:35 * herlo is ready for this
17:38:38 <cwickert> .famsco 281
17:38:38 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/281
17:38:56 <cwickert> herlo: is there anything written from NA?
17:39:09 <herlo> yes
17:39:22 <herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines
17:39:50 <cwickert> thanks, awesome
17:39:53 * herlo notes this has not been discussed at FAMNA meetings yet.
17:40:04 <cwickert> however I am afraid that we have too much information now
17:40:16 <herlo> wha?
17:40:17 <cwickert> means, we have duplicated the info for all the regions
17:40:18 <aeperezt> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Reimbursement
17:40:32 <herlo> cwickert: I'm confused
17:40:51 <cwickert> I'm afraid we overengineered things
17:40:56 <cwickert> things like "Create a wiki page with information about your event (eg: Date and  venue, purpose, tentative agenda, detailed budget break down ...) "
17:41:08 <cwickert> are not specific to a region
17:41:09 <herlo> cwickert: that is how it is done
17:41:20 <cwickert> sure, but globally
17:41:29 <herlo> cwickert: I don't think so
17:41:34 <herlo> that's specific to local events
17:41:37 <herlo> within the region
17:41:52 <herlo> but I'm happy to remove more, it's still a work in progress
17:41:56 <cwickert> no, we need a wiki page for every event we do, no matter in which region
17:42:17 <herlo> cwickert: sure, that has little to do with reimbursements though
17:42:20 <cwickert> but other than that I very much like the NA policy
17:42:26 <cwickert> herlo: right
17:42:30 <cwickert> my point exactly
17:42:45 <herlo> cwickert: but if you want to be reimbursed for an event, you *must* have an event page. This is what the policy states.
17:42:50 <cwickert> +1
17:42:57 <cwickert> I totally agree
17:43:02 <herlo> so what is the problem?
17:43:25 <gnokii_> !
17:43:53 <herlo> gnokii_: just one moment
17:43:53 <cwickert> I think we should have as much as possible on one page, globally that is. the regional guidelines should only cover: how is the decision made, e.g. in what meeting and where to get the money from
17:44:03 <cwickert> because these infos are really regional infos
17:44:28 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
17:44:38 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: please hold
17:44:54 <cwickert> APAC drafted a policy and it is way to restrictive. EMEA and LATAM copied it
17:44:59 <herlo> cwickert: the thing is, we can do that, but if we wish to override one of those 'global' guidelines.
17:45:22 <herlo> I think that's kind of where I'm going, plus I plan to remove more and clean it up to be more flexible.
17:45:28 <cwickert> +1
17:45:46 <cwickert> the APAC policy states that only ambassadors can receive money
17:45:49 <cwickert> that doesn't fly
17:45:51 <herlo> cwickert: so in my mind, that would be fine to have our own guidelines, even if they are the same as the global guidelines.
17:46:03 <herlo> cwickert: it could in APAC
17:46:09 <herlo> it may or may not in EMEA
17:46:26 <cwickert> herlo: that means a developer will not get money if he attends an event?
17:46:43 <herlo> oh, ambassadors. I misread that as contributor. Sorry
17:46:52 <herlo> yeah, good catch
17:46:52 <cwickert> contributors is fine with me
17:46:56 <herlo> right.
17:47:13 <cwickert> but the question is: do we need a definition of "contributor" then? like CLA+1?
17:47:23 <cwickert> I'd like to keep it as simple as possible
17:47:48 <herlo> cwickert: if so, that can be something on the global guideline. I am thinking most people understand what a fedora contributor is, but if you wish to clarify.
17:47:56 <cwickert> I want people to know where they can get money and not run in circles to and deal with red tape
17:48:39 <herlo> yeah, I think we're moving along nicely though. This isn't an easy thing to put in place.
17:48:51 <cwickert> I think for a start we should work with the NA policy and find out what applies globally and what is locally
17:49:08 <cwickert> let go through the list
17:49:13 <herlo> cwickert: sure, but when it's more refined. I don't think it's ready for that scrutiny yet
17:49:18 <cwickert> ok
17:49:30 <cwickert> then lets hear what gnokii_ and Southern_Gentlem have to tell
17:49:35 <gnokii_> plz keep in mind that filling a lot of stuff in the wiki can be boring, example I requested money from gnome I had to fill a lot in a wiki page, fun part such a wiki page already existed in the fd.o wiki
17:49:47 <gnokii_> eof
17:50:06 <cwickert> gnokii_: well, if you want money from us, then you need to have a wiki page in OUR wiki
17:50:12 <cwickert> and the same goes for GNOME I guess
17:50:25 <cwickert> both have legitimate reasons for that requirement
17:50:32 <Southern_Gentlem> 1) one i think it is up to the regional committees on how they spend their money
17:50:35 <cwickert> but you can just copy the wiki page, can't you?
17:50:40 <herlo> gnokii_: I would also suggest that making it simple you could link to one central doc for details and just give a minimal page in one or more places.
17:50:55 <cwickert> herlo: amen!
17:51:34 <Southern_Gentlem> if they want to send a developer to a conference that is up to them 2) i think it would be good to suggest they change ambassador to contributor
17:51:41 * herlo likes to think object oriented whenever he can :)
17:52:04 <Southern_Gentlem> but if they dont then thats up to that regional committee
17:53:02 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: I don't disagree with your points. I think that's the goal of the guidelines.
17:53:04 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: we said we will review their drafts, that means we'll point out when we think something is wrong. the final decision is still up to the local community
17:53:27 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: more concerns?
17:53:41 * cwickert really wants to keep it as simple as possible
17:53:55 <Southern_Gentlem> well other than this committee is the end all of the money to the regions
17:54:19 * cwickert doesn't understand
17:54:22 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: I think FAmSCo wants to give you the tools to get things done and get out of the way.
17:54:38 <Southern_Gentlem> so yes you can say there is a global policy and the regions have to follow
17:54:52 <cwickert> that's not what we said
17:54:54 <herlo> but there are restrictions that RH has placed upon us, so we must at least follow those minimal restrictions.
17:55:21 <herlo> and thus the regions also. But overall, I think the decisions will continue to lie with the regions themselves.
17:55:34 <cwickert> in fact we are moving things more to the regions
17:55:50 <Southern_Gentlem> eof
17:56:04 <cwickert> in the past only NA has handled it's budget, although they never had an official mandate to do so
17:56:06 <sesivany> right, from EMEA's pespective, we're getting more rights than before.
17:56:22 <cwickert> what we want to do is give all the regions the freedom that NA had before
17:56:25 <herlo> cwickert: yes, I think Southern_Gentlem is only pointing out that NA already does this. And maybe he doesn't want more restrictions. I hope that the guideline we're writing has that in mind and those who are concerned about the guidelines come and help make it work.
17:57:11 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: from your POV it might look like we are making things more complicated, but what we are trying to do is have one common level of freedom for all regions
17:57:19 <cwickert> does this make sense?
17:57:28 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: so I think we're all worked toward the concerns you have. If you see something out of sorts, please let us know. I'd like to make sure we're benefitting everyone.
17:57:30 <Southern_Gentlem> i can see from the aspect of this committee on trying to have a uniform global policy
17:57:36 <herlo> s/worked/working/
17:57:38 <Southern_Gentlem> that work for all regions
17:57:50 <cwickert> I mean, are you really afraid we are taking away something from you?
17:57:54 <Southern_Gentlem> no
17:58:24 <cwickert> so we have a policy or at least a draft, based on what NA does
17:58:44 <herlo> it's still definitely raw
17:58:45 <Southern_Gentlem> but where the power are there can be abuse and i am only concerned about that
17:58:45 <cwickert> and we just want to figure out what parts could become global standard and what is specific to the region
17:58:55 * herlo notes he needs to step away in 2 minutes for another meeting
17:59:01 <cwickert> right
17:59:14 <cwickert> my proposal is: I will write something down
17:59:25 <cwickert> based upon the drafts by all regions
17:59:47 <nb> the NA draft doesn't seem to add peer review as a lower level, it just mentions asking the regional meeting
17:59:48 <cwickert> example: if all of them require to have a wiki page, we make this a golbal requirement
17:59:51 <cwickert> makes sense?
17:59:51 <Southern_Gentlem> cwickert,  maybe the other regions can look at the famna draft and see if they will approve it
18:00:00 <nb> unless i missed it while reading the na draft
18:00:11 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: it's definitely better then the other drafts
18:00:34 <cwickert> so I can prepare something in the wiki and then we discuss it next week?
18:00:34 <Southern_Gentlem> ask the regions to consider the famna draft
18:00:41 <cwickert> I will
18:00:42 * herlo basically ripped stuff out
18:01:00 <sesivany> cwickert: some merger of what we in EMEA and what NA have would be nice. I think it's very similar.
18:01:09 * herlo needs to step away, will check back to see the rest of this meeting.
18:01:16 <sesivany> cwickert: APAC's draft is too complicated.
18:01:23 <cwickert> sesivany: yes and yes
18:01:31 <cwickert> ok, I suggest to end this meeting
18:01:34 * cwickert needs to go, too
18:01:44 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
18:01:47 <cwickert> anything?
18:01:54 <sesivany> no
18:02:35 <cwickert> #action cwickert to draft some budget guidelines based upon the NA guidelines
18:02:38 <cwickert> ok then
18:02:41 <cwickert> #endmeeting