01:00:28 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:28 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 3 01:00:28 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:28 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:39 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:54 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:56 <award3535> present 01:01:20 * graphite6 present but on a very very weak wifi signal 01:01:47 <grantbow_> present 01:01:51 <award3535> :( 01:02:26 <inode0> #chair award3535 rbergeron graphite6 grantbow_ 01:02:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 grantbow_ graphite6 inode0 rbergeron 01:02:33 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:02:53 <award3535> I have one small announcement 01:03:06 * inode0 does too 01:03:38 * inode0 waits for award3535 01:03:39 <award3535> FAD I will need to have everyone who is planning presentations to get that information to me for page updates 01:03:50 * Sonar_Gal 01:03:59 <award3535> I started updates this week 01:04:25 <inode0> #chair Sonar_Gal 01:04:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sonar_Gal award3535 grantbow_ graphite6 inode0 rbergeron 01:04:50 <inode0> thanks award3535 - we will have a little time to discuss more during the agenda as well about this 01:04:55 <award3535> please note the updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:05:11 <grantbow_> OLPCSF Community Summit is Oct 19th. Of course every OLPC runs fedora. http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/ 01:07:01 <inode0> #info November 11 is the 10th anniversary of the Fedora community - can we do something cool to celebrate? 01:07:16 <award3535> what do you have in mind 01:08:21 <inode0> I don't really have something in mind beyond making noise, reflecting on 10 years of Fedora, thanking at least some of the people who made it happen, etc. 01:08:49 * inode0 isn't a good party planner so needs help :) 01:09:06 <award3535> so wheres the party? 01:09:45 <MarkDude> \o 01:10:29 <inode0> #chair MarkDude 01:10:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: MarkDude Sonar_Gal award3535 grantbow_ graphite6 inode0 rbergeron 01:11:12 <inode0> Ok, let's just move on but think about what we might do 01:11:29 <inode0> The agenda for tonight is available here ... 01:11:34 <inode0> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:11:46 <inode0> #topic Tickets 01:12:08 <inode0> let's do the event tickets first 01:12:19 <inode0> .famnaticket 26 01:12:22 <zodbot> inode0: #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:12:35 <inode0> #topic Ohio LinuxFest 2012 01:12:47 <inode0> #info #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:13:01 <inode0> wrong week, anything to say about this now? 01:13:34 <award3535> sounds like everything is on track from the last meeting 01:13:55 <inode0> The event was last weekend so ... 01:14:10 <inode0> .famnaticket 43 01:14:12 <zodbot> inode0: #43 (PuppetConf, San Francisco, September 27-28 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/43 01:14:22 <inode0> #topic PuppetConf, San Francisco, September 27-28 2012 01:14:31 <inode0> #info #43 (PuppetConf, San Francisco, September 27-28 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/43 01:14:35 <award3535> this one also was last week 01:14:57 <inode0> ditto I guess - I'll check for reports and close these for next week when I see them 01:15:10 <inode0> but if anyone who attended would like to say something that would be nice too 01:15:37 <award3535> I am very interested on how OLF went 01:16:46 <inode0> I guess we'll need to wait for reports 01:16:59 <inode0> .famnaticket 33 01:17:01 <zodbot> inode0: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:17:09 <inode0> #topic 2012 Fedora Merchandise Order 01:17:20 <inode0> #info #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:17:31 <inode0> I left this open for some reason ... looking 01:18:15 <inode0> So one thing is we'll be planning a lot of swag for 2013 at FADNA but if we still want some things this calendar year we need to get on it 01:18:35 <inode0> t-shirts are pretty much gone - that is something we should stock up on 01:19:05 <inode0> if no one wants to design something new we can always reuse an old design again 01:19:30 <MarkDude> +1 shirts 01:19:43 <rbergeron> new design :) 01:19:45 <MarkDude> Old designs work :) 01:20:07 <MarkDude> So we will get the shirts next year <snark> 01:20:07 <award3535> so where does this ticket stand, whats left to vote on 01:20:08 <MarkDude> :D 01:20:48 * inode0 isn't looking to vote on anything 01:21:08 <inode0> I just want to know are we going to get t-shirts and/or anything else before I close this ticket 01:21:34 <award3535> okay, got it, must have missed that on the previous meetings 01:21:34 <inode0> there were a lot of ideas tossed out - no followup on any of them that I can see 01:22:11 <inode0> there was followup on what we earlier decided to buy - didn't see any followup on the new ideas 01:22:50 * rbergeron saw the small pins that the emea folks bought and thought they looked very nice - but is nice to do new things 01:23:12 <inode0> so I can probably work with Brian to reorder some shirts but I recall Ben wanting to check on prices from his local shop or something 01:23:24 <inode0> and someone was going to look at creating a new design 01:23:27 * MarkDude thinks idea of using old design has been around for quite a while 01:23:48 <inode0> we are just bored with the old ones and would prefer new ones I think :) 01:23:54 <award3535> change is good 01:23:57 <MarkDude> Sure 01:24:12 <MarkDude> Even better is having shirts - lol 01:24:32 <inode0> rbergeron: what small pins? 01:24:37 <Sonar_Gal> Use the old ones for now, that would give enough time to come up with ideas for next release cycle 01:24:46 <MarkDude> ones that exist are much better than the yet to be done Unicorn sprinkled ones 01:25:10 <MarkDude> Joking aside- new design is great- but that has been stalled 01:25:17 <rbergeron> inode0: i will have to find the blog post - give me a minute 01:25:27 <inode0> we are in sort of a lull too, so there would be time 01:25:35 <MarkDude> If FFPL can light fires under appropriate butts, new design would be great :) 01:26:01 <inode0> She doesn't need to light fires, we can too and some of us are trying 01:26:02 <rbergeron> http://kitall.blogspot.com/2012/09/fedora-pins.html 01:26:19 <inode0> oh yeah, I saw that 01:26:54 <award3535> looks nice 01:27:03 <inode0> someone, I'd need to check, was investigating cow stress balls too 01:27:18 <rbergeron> i think it would be good to find a message to convey in new design - rather than just hoping one will fall from the sky 01:27:46 <inode0> so should we bug marketing? 01:27:55 <inode0> since we can't plan parties or anything :) 01:28:16 <grantbow_> That pin looks nice 01:28:27 <inode0> or do you have a message in mind? 01:29:49 <rbergeron> not off the top of my head. i kind of liek the "i do with fedora" but it also sounds pretty much like marriage 01:29:52 <rbergeron> LOL 01:30:12 <award3535> did someone say stress ball cows http://www.4imprint.com/product/49861 01:30:13 <Sonar_Gal> just kind of 01:30:41 * inode0 would love cow stress balls especially if the cows can have blue spots 01:30:46 * MarkDude would date Fedora, tho not marry it 01:31:07 <MarkDude> What was the price on the cow stress balls? 01:31:22 <award3535> 1.39 for 250 01:31:26 <inode0> there wasn't anything proposed, lots of choices 01:31:49 <rbergeron> beyond that - I don't have anything catchy in mind for shirts 01:31:58 <MarkDude> sry- I meant quantity we were thinking of 01:32:16 <inode0> they are cheap enough and we wouldn't order that many since they might not make much sense post F18 01:32:20 <rbergeron> i did like the splatter shirt - i think ianweller designed those 01:32:22 <MarkDude> "I *AM* Fedora" 01:32:45 <rbergeron> inode0: yeah, and i wonder what events we'll cover - i know we would have scale, perhaps fosdem if we took them over there 01:33:01 <rbergeron> but spring release tends to be fewer events over here, i *think* 01:33:08 <rbergeron> i could be way off though 01:33:39 <inode0> yeah, I was only anticipating 250-500 anyway - small first orders for new items aren't a bad idea too 01:33:43 <inode0> meet the vendor 01:34:56 <inode0> rbergeron: I don't object to reusing the splatter shirts if we don't mind the budget hit they impose - we haven't made those in years now 01:36:01 <rbergeron> they are what, 3-color? 01:36:09 <inode0> 6 iirc 01:36:18 <inode0> 3 is normal 01:36:41 <rbergeron> yeah - i just seem to remember 2 shades of blue, plus white - perhaps i'm senile 01:37:03 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter 01:37:06 <inode0> the logo is 3 by itself 01:37:27 <inode0> looks like 6 is about right 01:37:44 <MarkDude> +1 CSI Fedora shirts --- those are nice- 01:38:25 <inode0> they really are nice - they are a little expensive so if we do splatter we don't get as many 01:38:31 <rbergeron> right 01:38:35 <award3535> +1 MarkDude 01:38:49 * rbergeron secretly pines for female-cut shirts also, but knows it increases costs as well 01:39:20 <inode0> we should ask 01:39:26 <MarkDude> rbergeron, what about finding money for the 12 or so women in Fedora to get custom printed shirt? 01:39:48 <inode0> let's just get some to give away 01:40:13 <MarkDude> There is not a huge number- and cafe press- or similar for appropriate sizes 01:41:17 * inode0 doesn't see any reason every woman in Fedora should get a shirt but sees good reasons to make shirts that fit women 01:41:26 <rbergeron> okay - so maybe we should look at vendors - i know we have the poeple here in tempe that we used for fudcon but they were fairly pricey 01:42:03 <inode0> Brian is still willing to use our normal vendor - I suspect for good quality it won't make that much difference 01:42:17 <inode0> at least the last time I talked with him 01:42:52 <inode0> I'll just drop him a note and see if he'll get quotes, if others want to do the same with other vendors we can compare 01:43:33 <inode0> So I'll say keep it under $2k and mix sizes and get some in women's styles 01:43:44 <inode0> we'll see how many we can get 01:44:54 <inode0> shall we revisit in a week or two? 01:44:56 * rbergeron agrees 01:44:56 <rbergeron> yes 01:45:21 <award3535> +1 01:45:26 <Sonar_Gal> +1 01:45:44 <inode0> ok, but someone has to do something in the week or two! 01:45:55 <inode0> .famnaticket 42 01:45:57 <zodbot> inode0: #42 (organize the amount of media still in-house a dsitrute according) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/42 01:46:05 <inode0> #topic organize the amount of media still in-house a dsitrute according 01:46:15 <inode0> #info #42 (organize the amount of media still in-house a dsitrute according) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/42 01:46:31 <inode0> so, where does this stand/ 01:46:33 <inode0> ? 01:46:49 <rbergeron> I think everyone got the media needed for the various events last weekend. 01:47:04 <inode0> grace hopper is covered? 01:47:14 <rbergeron> I can plug in what I have left at home - which is not much - I putthe majority in the event box, which dan now has. 01:47:35 <inode0> I just want to close the ticket unless there is still something that needs to be done 01:47:41 <rbergeron> Leslie took a small amount from the stash I had at linuxcon - I am not sure if she received more. I can send her a text and ask - I know she was travelling the majority of the day. 01:47:49 <award3535> this ticket seems to be only pointed at OLF 01:48:06 <award3535> with some emphasis on remaining events 01:48:11 <inode0> well, several other events are in the comments 01:48:54 <award3535> does World Maker Faire have enough media 01:49:17 <inode0> I think it does 01:49:18 <rbergeron> it's already over. 01:49:22 <inode0> did :) 01:49:48 <inode0> ok, I'll close it - it can be reopened if necessary 01:50:04 <inode0> .famnaticket 36 01:50:06 <zodbot> inode0: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:50:15 <inode0> #topic Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA) 01:50:27 <inode0> #info #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:50:32 <award3535> World Maker Faire is in two weeks 01:51:04 <inode0> in any event I recall media being shipped for it unless I'm mistaken 01:51:20 <rbergeron> World Maker Faire New York: September 29 and 30, 2012. 01:51:32 <rbergeron> There is another different maker faire in virginia (??) soon. 01:51:54 <award3535> thats the one I was referring too in norfolk 01:52:06 <inode0> the one in New York we sent a large amount to 01:52:14 <rbergeron> inode0: yes, though the additional 450 was for open hardware summit, which was discovered, like, literally a week before it happened 01:52:34 <rbergeron> open hardware summit was the day before - the media apparently went directly into bags of attendees 01:52:39 <award3535> looks like we can close it then 01:52:40 <rbergeron> day before world maker faire 01:52:46 <inode0> ok, FADNA 01:52:49 <rbergeron> yesplz 01:53:08 <award3535> here is the page that was created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:53:26 <award3535> I am working on updates and cleaning it up 01:53:28 <inode0> we seem to have agreed on the day before FUDCon + some FUDCon sessions this year 01:53:42 <award3535> yes, that was updated 01:54:13 <rbergeron> if we need some budget for that, I am willing to kick in for it, but I want to make sure that it's not going to turn into "take advantage of teh situation to bring in more people" since that can snowball into everyone wanting to FAD right before every fudcon - i'm not opposed to the idea, just want to make sure there is clear value coming and not just "more people can come!" 01:54:20 <rbergeron> and i assume we will need budget for it 01:54:21 <rbergeron> ;) 01:54:47 <inode0> I would like to open a few FADNA agenda tickets to do some pre-FADNA collecting of information 01:55:01 <award3535> I agree 01:55:19 <award3535> and as i check the tickets I can update the page 01:55:28 <inode0> one obvious one that requires some research is collecting lists of events we consider critical, interesting, desirable, etc. 01:55:41 <award3535> +1 01:56:07 <inode0> I see three items that all need to blend together in the end 01:56:18 <inode0> events:swag:budget 01:56:41 <inode0> and by budget I mean as detailed a projected budget as we are capable of creating 01:56:53 * rbergeron would take that one if nobody else wants to - events/lists collecting - lh might be a volunteer on that as well, since she is doing a similar thing for red hat's community site - may be a "two birds with one stone thing" 01:57:09 <MarkDude> This will be great IMHO. being able to focus on specific needs at FADNA will help 2013- effing rock 01:57:16 <inode0> so identifying events & swag and their estimated costs is really important to estimating a reasonable budget 01:57:35 * rbergeron clarifies that she doesn't need a perfect budget - and in fact (since i have to request budget in december) it would be nice to have that laid out sooner rather than later - or at least have a finger in the breeze about it, and nail it down more in january. 01:57:54 <award3535> now you are refering to swag for FAD only or FAD and Fudcon 01:57:57 <rbergeron> but the "branch out and do new things" is important to me 01:58:06 <inode0> that should give us incentive to work on this in advance 01:58:21 <MarkDude> +1 01:58:23 <inode0> Ben really needs to be involved - he has begun work on the budget already 01:59:04 <rbergeron> noted - though i tihnk it would be useful to have "list of events" before finishing the budget 01:59:38 <inode0> yeah, it is a prerequisite to the budget IMO unless we want to just spit in the wind 01:59:39 <rbergeron> but i tihnk certainly we have a ballpark amount that we spend regularly at events 02:00:34 * rbergeron will share the awesome pictures of puppetconf when we get to open floor ;) 02:00:45 <rbergeron> I am happy tro volunteer for collecting events list, both old and new 02:00:58 <inode0> well, I was going to skip the open floor since we are long but really quick 02:01:05 <rbergeron> or work with other folks - not sure if that list is already coming together, or just want to do it on regular wiki 02:01:08 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 02:01:17 <rbergeron> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jds2001/8041710849/in/photostream/ 02:01:22 * MarkDude has slight correction 02:01:31 <rbergeron> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jds2001/8041709086/in/photostream/ 02:01:35 <award3535> just let me know for updates to the page and tickets 02:01:36 <MarkDude> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC_San_Francisco_Community_Summit_2012 is event page 02:01:44 <rbergeron> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jds2001/8041687615/in/photostream/ 02:02:07 <inode0> rbergeron: I'll open a ticket and you can add a link to the wiki - I was thinking the wiki might be better for all this stuff too 02:02:14 <rbergeron> That's the fedora patio at PuppetConf - the event was really good, very interesting, lots of good traffic at booth. 02:02:21 <award3535> thank you 02:02:28 <rbergeron> inode0: okay 02:03:04 <rbergeron> and yes i will have a trip report/blog post, it is ... half-done-ish 02:03:35 <rbergeron> but my morning productivity was only from 5-6am this morning before the world of meetings intruded 02:03:43 <rbergeron> ;D 02:03:47 <MarkDude> Looks like a party 02:04:11 <MarkDude> had spoke to grantbow_ - we were hoping for a few Ambassadors to be sponsored for OLPC summit at $40- most likely 5- so $200 + maybe some local travel 02:04:30 <MarkDude> Oct 16-17- 02:04:41 <rbergeron> ticket? 02:04:50 <MarkDude> the Beefy Miracle would be super awesome if we could do that 02:04:55 <MarkDude> None yet- 02:04:58 <grantbow_> Oct 19-21 02:05:05 <rbergeron> i am not sure if beefy is going to paris 02:05:08 <MarkDude> miscommunication between grantbow_ and myself 02:05:16 <rbergeron> i haven't heard anything though 02:05:19 <MarkDude> Screw france 02:05:33 <MarkDude> :D 02:05:48 <rbergeron> it's fudcon 02:05:56 <rbergeron> but isuspect transport would destroy him 02:06:10 <MarkDude> Plus it will smell like France 02:06:38 <MarkDude> If not, I do have a hotdog suit as a backup plan 02:07:09 * inode0 plans to stop at 10 after 02:07:11 <MarkDude> and MarkDude will file ticket with grantbow_ for next meeting 02:07:33 <grantbow_> ok 02:07:51 <MarkDude> last question- where is the event box- and how to get OLPC to it after Summit? 02:07:57 <MarkDude> eof 02:08:26 <inode0> rbergeron just said Dan has it unless I misunderstood 02:08:39 <rbergeron> Dan has it. 02:08:45 <rbergeron> And the banners. 02:08:51 <rbergeron> And it now has stickers, pens, and media. 02:09:10 <inode0> now it just needs its thinkpad :) 02:09:30 <rbergeron> and OLPC 02:09:54 <grantbow_> the OLPC can be arranged 02:10:11 <inode0> thanks everyone for coming - I think we covered some good stuff tonight - following through next week is always the harder part 02:10:12 <MarkDude> Yay, ty FFPL :) 02:10:20 <inode0> #endmeeting