04:02:20 #startmeeting 04:02:20 Meeting started Sat Sep 22 04:02:20 2012 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:02:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:02:25 +1 04:02:27 #meetingname APAC 04:02:27 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:02:32 .fasinfo vicodan 04:02:34 dan408-: User: vicodan, Name: Dan Mashal, email: dan.mashal@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-10-12, IRC Nick: dan408, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, GPG key ID: C1732A82550E896A4AAD238E722B91A97041009A, Status: active 04:02:34 here 04:02:35 #topic Roll Call 04:02:36 +1 04:02:36 dan408-: Unapproved Groups: hgLHCP marketing 04:02:39 .fasinfo dramsey 04:02:40 dan408-: Approved Groups: proventesters freemedia cla_fpca cla_done packager triagers fedorabugs ambassadors 04:02:41 hi everyone 04:02:42 dramsey: User: dramsey, Name: David Ramsey, email: diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com, Creation: 2006-11-05, IRC Nick: , Timezone: Asia/Tokyo, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 3C15A573, Status: active 04:02:44 .fas tuanta 04:02:45 dramsey: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors freemedia cla_fpca 04:02:45 Hello Everyone. 04:02:48 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:02:50 .fasinfo herson@azneita.org 04:02:51 azneita: User "herson@azneita.org" doesn't exist 04:02:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-09-22#Agenda 04:03:04 .fas herson@azneita.org 04:03:05 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 04:03:10 #chair dramsey azneita dan408- 04:03:10 Current chairs: azneita dan408- dramsey tuanta 04:03:35 #chair inode0 04:03:35 Current chairs: azneita dan408- dramsey inode0 tuanta 04:03:54 * dan408- sits in chair 04:04:13 are we ready to the main topics 04:04:14 ? 04:04:27 no 04:04:32 dramsey needds to pass out some beefy miracle 04:04:33 s 04:04:52 +1 04:04:53 :p 04:04:58 he wont be online for a while 04:05:20 #announcement dramsey is already missed and will be missed even more in the future 04:05:27 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:06:05 hi :) 04:06:11 #chair arifiauo 04:06:11 Current chairs: arifiauo azneita dan408- dramsey inode0 tuanta 04:06:15 .fas arifiauo 04:06:16 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 04:06:16 hi 04:06:25 any news from FAmSCo? 04:07:50 ? 04:07:57 * azneita guesses none 04:08:06 next topic? 04:08:30 we miss bckurera :) 04:08:32 ok, next 04:08:41 is bckurera ok 04:08:46 #topic Review action items from last meeting 04:09:03 but, no pending actions :) 04:09:11 so, next one 04:09:15 #topic APAC Events: plans, status, reports 04:09:26 well, any news, please! 04:09:45 let me first!? 04:10:13 We organized SFD in Hanoi last week 04:10:51 I had some presentations to share about how to participate into FOSS community, especially Fedora 04:11:11 nice :) 04:11:28 link? 04:11:58 #link https://speakerdeck.com/u/tuanta/p/foss-community 04:12:09 but it's in Vietnamese :) 04:12:53 It got attention from participants a lot, I think 04:12:59 is it editable? 04:13:27 I have been invited to some universities to talk more about those topics 04:13:42 arifiauo: I don't think so 04:13:55 :D 04:13:57 +1 tuanta 04:14:59 We distributed over 100 Fedora 17 discs, at Fedora separated table (with a large standee :), in SFD 04:15:07 got a lousy mobile connection, are the slides in vietnamese? 04:15:25 I will have a summary with pictures to mailing list later 04:15:43 how about we make a book about how to join the Fedora Project? 04:16:30 that's a nice idea arifiauo, but we should stay on topic for now 04:16:31 I don't think we need an additional book 04:17:02 +1 azneita, we can back to this idea in Open Floor later 04:17:09 eof: SFD Hanoi 04:17:13 ok 04:17:20 ! 04:17:24 yes azneita 04:17:47 so i missed last apac meeting and was not able to report about our event - linuxday 2012 04:17:57 #link http://azneitaph.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/event-report-linuxday-2012/ 04:18:09 that's my event report in case you guys missed it 04:18:48 the talk i presented is more on how the local contributors can get the necessary resources in case they need them 04:19:27 and an open invitation for more events in the country 04:19:30 cool 04:20:24 too capitalize on the momentum we'll be having a fad in dec 1 04:20:29 *to 04:20:40 planning details are here, 04:20:43 # https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/PHFAD2012 04:20:51 great 04:21:08 input from everybody would be great 04:21:12 thanks 04:21:38 eof, i guess 04:22:44 azneita: I have some questions 04:22:59 sure 04:23:08 would you like to have fund support from Fedora for this next FAD? 04:23:41 i'm actually cracking the whip for our team to finalize details so we can ask for funding 04:23:47 and have you started asking for those funds? 04:23:55 ok 04:23:57 as it stands right now, we have the ideas in place 04:24:00 understand 04:24:11 please don't forget this link: 04:24:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 04:24:31 yep :) 04:24:32 all details about fund request as well as reimbursement 04:25:03 we will discuss more about APAC budget later in Open Floor 04:25:04 we'll open a ticket when evrything is solid 04:25:09 well, anyone else? 04:25:57 i think, we're just two locals here :) 04:25:59 #info See all details about fund request as well as reimbursement at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 04:26:29 * azneita corrects himself, three - arifiauo too 04:26:42 I think arifiauo is representative for Indonesia and Malaysia 04:26:50 so four! :) 04:26:56 :) 04:27:11 haha, shall we move along 04:27:24 +1 04:27:32 about the events, please see: #link http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-ambassadors-tasks.html 04:28:03 we can make plan for our Fedora 18 release parties from now on 04:28:16 #info FAmSCo and Regional teams call for Preparation of Media/SWAG - Thu 2012-09-27 04:28:25 #info Regional Teams Submit Funding Request For Swag/Media Production - Fri 2012-09-28 until Fri 2012-10-05 04:28:32 #info Release Event Submission Deadline - Fri 2012-11-09 04:28:41 #info Hold Release Events and Publish Event Reports - Tue 2012-11-27 until Fri 2012-12-28 04:28:59 those are important information we need to know 04:29:05 the FAD is really scheduled around the release date, so two birds, one stone 04:29:15 +1 :) 04:29:49 the deadline for regional teams call is very close 04:29:56 about the swag/media info, i have no definite idea what the apac plan is 04:30:24 so, what do you think? 04:31:12 are we going to produce as a group or individual countries 04:31:12 so instead of regional teams, we might be looking at country teams 04:31:33 I love to have nice printed discs, but you know, we got some issues in shipping and tax as well 04:32:04 what do you guys think? 04:32:27 agree on those points 04:32:40 yes, country teams; even city teams 04:32:49 i'm not sure if this is true but those costs are relatively lower than other regions 04:33:00 and they're doing it 04:33:10 maybe 04:33:24 yes, we need to look around 04:33:34 for my area, more effectively making it locally 04:33:44 it's maybe higher in Europe as well as NA 04:34:17 making it locally should be the best way until now 04:34:42 i for one really believe we can make this easier for ambassadors on the ground 04:34:44 we should consider this way 04:35:06 one question for PH team 04:35:16 shoot 04:35:30 how many discs you need for a release? 04:35:51 depends on the events we have per release 04:35:59 I meant, e.g. Fedora 17, how many discs has been distributed? 04:36:10 I meant per release 04:36:18 in PH 04:36:26 about 1,000? 04:36:35 not that big 04:36:56 i don't have the numbers but 500 04:37:00 we give away 4000-6000 per release in NA 04:37:03 it's less than 1,000 in Vietnam at this moment, I think 04:37:15 that's good info, inode0 04:37:29 yeah, very good inode0 04:38:19 I think we should have a central place to list all 04:38:24 * azneita notes the scale needed for such an inititive to be cost-effective 04:38:32 then we can decide the best way to make disc per release 04:38:58 agree, but first we hold events 04:39:05 yes 04:39:08 and make our ambassdors own them 04:39:18 okie, I will propose this idea to mailing list later 04:39:32 thanks tuanta 04:40:10 #action Propose one "central" place to list all discs/swag needs (per release) for APAC ambassadors 04:40:16 #undo 04:40:16 Removing item from minutes: 04:40:28 #action tuanta propose One "central" place to list all discs/swag needs (per release) for APAC ambassadors 04:40:38 ok, next? 04:40:50 +1 04:40:50 #topic Trac tickets 04:40:54 i got a question for inode0 04:41:06 if he'll indulge me 04:41:10 sure 04:41:26 how does famna, determine the swag they produce? 04:41:38 is it from events need first 04:41:51 or it boils down to available funds? 04:42:11 at this point it is mostly based on experience, in the beginning we did some guessing about volume or variety 04:42:27 now we know better what works well, but always look for new things to try 04:42:57 fair enough 04:43:02 it isn't really based on funding, we try to produce swag for events when we begin to run out 04:43:20 sometimes when there is leftover funding we do stock up a little 04:43:43 one important thing to keep in mind (maybe the most important thing) 04:44:01 always try to produce high quality swag even if it costs a little more 04:44:12 i noticed there are swag that are not release bound like pens 04:44:26 and those make good impressions on attendees 04:44:43 oh, almost all our swag is release independent - that is important too 04:45:07 so media is separate from other swag 04:45:16 good to know 04:45:19 I think in 5 years I can only recall one item that was connected directly to a release (beefy miracle buttons) 04:45:31 we think of media as a separate item 04:45:37 Should we stay focused on the topic? 04:45:57 hehe, we're still on topic aren't we 04:46:08 team tasks :) 04:46:15 trac tickets 04:46:18 thanks inode0 04:47:01 tuanta, you got our tickets? 04:47:08 back to our current topic 04:47:27 I don't see any open tickets 04:47:30 sorry arifiauo, tuanta types faster than me :) 04:47:38 do you see any open ones? 04:48:05 wait, i need to login 04:48:25 if so, we should go to the the last topic today 04:48:33 most often, when we have tickets, the owners are here 04:49:07 yep, open floor 04:49:18 however, ticket statuses should be marked clearer 04:49:22 arifiauo, you mentioned earlier about a book... 04:49:32 #topic Open Floor 04:49:51 yes, please arifiauo 04:49:57 yes, wait a minute :) 04:51:21 Most of the Indonesian people are still blind with open source. I plan to make a book about open source that leads to Fedora. Is that good? 04:52:04 good and effective are too different for me 04:52:23 i'd say it's good but not sure about effectivity 04:52:35 it's just me btw 04:52:43 +1 azneita 04:52:45 my vote is for more events 04:52:47 Why a book? because most of them do not have the money to buy it, and they lack the interest to read online. 04:53:14 it maybe be good idea, arifiauo 04:53:30 if they don't read online, they won't read it offline 04:53:41 unless they don't have access 04:53:54 just kick me guys, if i'm overbearing 04:54:20 do not read it online because the internet for us is still an expensive thing. 04:54:40 ah, then that sort of makes sense 04:55:01 arifiauo, what is your plan to print and distribute your new book? 04:55:01 but how do you propose to do it? 04:55:16 creating a book is a tremendous task 04:55:18 and who many books do you expect to distribute? 04:55:41 s/who/how 04:56:16 I will discuss further with a magazine or book author. 04:56:42 I still think Internet is the best way to distribute things like books 04:56:44 ok 04:57:00 i like attending classes/meetups more 04:57:04 arifiauo: ok, we can back to your idea with more details 04:57:10 This is just the beginning of an idea. I still need depth. 04:57:12 ok 04:57:16 but yeah, i got lots of books 04:57:44 we can discuss more about: how to estimate the regional budget for next FY 04:57:51 and about FUDCon APAC 2013 04:57:58 2013 04:58:06 yes, I love this topic :) 04:58:11 FUDCon APAC 2013 04:58:25 you guys bidding? 04:58:38 this year, FUDCon APAC has been organized by MY team 04:58:42 there's a lot of uncertainty for me personally towards next year 04:58:52 not now :) 04:59:00 so who's bidding? 04:59:15 azneita: how about PH team 04:59:35 I see you proposed your bid for last two years 04:59:41 My area is still not able to it. 04:59:53 how about PH team? 05:00:01 not sure about our team 05:00:13 but yeah, i'll make my pitch to them 05:00:36 it's really good if PH team can submit a bid for FUDCon APAC 2013 05:00:37 that is, if we'll have regional fudcons for next year 05:00:51 unless i missed my guess 05:00:54 I myself believe that PH team can do this 05:01:11 i'm hearing you tuanta :) 05:01:36 now regarding fy 2013 budget 05:01:47 how do we go about this? 05:02:01 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012 05:02:20 lol 05:02:26 I think that is a good bidding 05:02:35 +1 05:02:55 move that bid to 2013?!! :) 05:03:10 i'll get back to you guys, when the bidding opens 05:03:17 sure! 05:03:30 now where am i? 2013 budget 05:03:37 how do we do this? 05:03:59 #idea PH team prepare for submitting a FUDCOn APAC 2013 bid 05:04:03 ph for one has a good understanding now of events we usually run 05:04:19 at this moment, I have no idea about the 2013 budget 05:04:48 so we can put forward some semblacne of budget proposal 05:04:59 we are only three people here, so I think it's not easy to discuss about this topic 05:05:06 +1 azneita 05:05:18 +1 tuanta 05:05:26 it's also over time 05:05:32 yeah 05:05:37 end meeting? 05:05:40 i'll think about it more later 05:05:41 so I think we should leave this topic to the next meeting 05:05:47 +1 05:05:48 +1 05:06:13 #idea let the topic Open discussing about FUDCon APAC 2013 to the next meeting 05:06:18 ok, end now? 05:06:24 sure 05:06:26 thanks all for coming 05:06:26 +1 05:06:34 #endmeeting