05:01:30 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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05:01:34 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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05:01:41 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
05:01:44 <anish_> hi
05:01:46 <paragan> hi
05:01:50 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-08-02
05:02:04 <tagoh_> hi guys, time to have i18n meeting now!
05:02:09 <dueno> hi
05:02:11 <epico> hi
05:02:29 <mfabian> hi
05:04:33 <tagoh_> btw I'm trying to improve our meeting again. I don't discuss that here but any suggestions and idea are welcome. will bring it up on IRC or the list later.
05:05:11 <tagoh_> anyway, let's get started then.
05:05:15 <tagoh_> #topic F18
05:05:42 <tagoh_> anish_: can you update your feature quickly? and if there are any problems, good to share here.
05:06:09 <anish_> created setup ui and released initial version of itb
05:06:51 <anish_> i will fix minor bugs in next release
05:06:52 <tagoh_> BTW the feature freeze is coming 7th August. if any changes is needed to make it default, it has to be done by that due date.
05:07:06 <pravins> hi
05:07:24 <tagoh_> anish_: cool. okay
05:07:49 <tagoh_> epico: how about ibus-libpinyin?
05:08:01 <anish_> tagoh_, thanks
05:09:24 <epico> write stroke editor input mode in progress.
05:09:36 <tagoh_> aha
05:09:42 <epico> and plan to release a new version of ibus-libpinyin later.
05:11:00 <tagoh_> epico: guess by this week or so?
05:11:31 <epico> before next meeting. :)
05:11:45 <epico> fedora meeting.
05:12:12 <epico> still some code to be added.
05:12:21 <tagoh_> epico: sure. note that 14th August is alpha change deadline. that would be nice if you can do it before that
05:12:32 <epico> sure
05:12:35 <tagoh_> thanks
05:12:46 <epico> :)
05:13:13 <tagoh_> I think I've done all of related works for Fontconfig2.10.
05:14:00 <tagoh_> and just sent an email to the list with url for screenshots for hinting vs autohinting. that would be nice if you can also check for your primary languages.
05:14:54 <tagoh_> I guess we may hear something for ibus gnome integration from fujiwarat when he is back next week.
05:15:03 <tagoh_> pravins: how about liberation-fonts?
05:15:15 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, i have updated the feature page
05:15:23 <pravins> its now 80% complete
05:15:55 <tagoh_> yep. what's the plan for next?
05:16:00 <pravins> only remaining thing is bug 657849, this was supported in earlier version but not yet in present
05:16:04 <pravins> .bug 657849
05:16:07 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 657849 Serbian glyphs for Wikipedia - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657849
05:16:11 <pravins> i will resolved it this month
05:16:20 <tagoh_> aha
05:18:13 <pravins> tagoh_: any specific time line for making feature 100% complete?
05:18:57 <tagoh_> well, in the schedule, all of features has to be completed by 18th September.
05:19:36 <pravins> tagoh_: thanks, thats makes me happy. will resolve it by end of august :)
05:20:27 <tagoh_> it's also the due date of beta change deadline. so if you want to test the font earlier, better making it testable by alpha.
05:21:25 <pravins> yes sure
05:22:06 <tagoh_> btw there are a thread on the list for retiring packages. it contains the packages that we may be interested in, UnihanDb, ibus-table-code, ibus-table-others, man-pages-it and man-pages-ko.
05:23:09 <tagoh_> if you have any mind to miss them or want to maintain, please follow up on the list.
05:23:41 <tagoh_> anything more on f18?
05:24:48 <tagoh_> okay, then move on.
05:24:54 <tagoh_> #topic bugzilla cleanup
05:25:41 <tagoh_> thanks paragan for working on it. we still have 6 bugs open for f15.
05:26:26 <paragan> welcome
05:26:45 <tagoh_> any further volunteers for triaging are welcome :)
05:27:21 <tagoh_> just FYI anyway..
05:27:26 <tagoh_> #topic Input Methods
05:27:53 <tagoh_> well, no particular topics to discuss here so far. anything from anyone?
05:28:59 <tagoh_> .bug 844555
05:29:01 <zodbot> tagoh_: Bug 844555 new IME switcher prevents to send the key events to kvm - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844555
05:29:16 <tagoh_> just to share. if you have experienced similar issue
05:30:03 <tagoh_> I think it introduced by new IME switcher on ibus. as I wrote in bz, the workaround is to disable ibus on host.
05:30:43 <tagoh_> anything more?
05:31:38 <tagoh_> okay, let's move on then.
05:31:43 <tagoh_> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:32:27 <pravins> tagoh_: i have requested to navilu-fonts and gubbi-fonts upstream to add missing glyph to get it recognized by fontconfig
05:32:38 <tagoh_> cool
05:32:57 <pravins> .bug 842965
05:32:59 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 842965 fontconfig does not recognize any supported language for this font - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=842965
05:33:06 <pravins> this is still pending from my side for madan-fonts
05:33:06 <tagoh_> how many glyphs are we missing actually?
05:33:22 <pravins> 2 unicode characters
05:33:39 <tagoh_> in both navilu and gubbi?
05:33:53 <pravins> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=842960#c1
05:34:01 <pravins> yes, both are from same upstream :)
05:34:05 <tagoh_> aha
05:34:58 <tagoh_> aha. yeah, if those are unnecessary for Kannada, I'm willing to fix it in fontconfig. please file a bug as needed.
05:35:40 <pravins> tagoh_: yeah, i asked same to Kannada language person, but he did not able to find any reference document for it.
05:36:03 <pravins> but sure, if i find such will report bug, it will be useful for other Kannada language fonts
05:36:09 <tagoh_> hm, I see.
05:36:43 <tagoh_> pravins: thanks
05:36:59 <tagoh_> anything more?
05:37:38 <pravins> .bug 570712
05:37:40 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 570712 Add support for kashmiri language in arabic script - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=570712
05:37:47 <pravins> paragan: thanks for requesting need info
05:38:54 <pravins> tagoh_: after recent fix in fontconfig for ks.ortho now paktype-naqsh-fonts show ks in supported language
05:39:26 <pravins> paragan: do we have any input method for ks?
05:39:28 <pravins> arabic
05:39:30 <tagoh_> so what do we need to do for Kashmiri ?
05:39:43 <paragan> ks-kbd.mim
05:39:43 <pravins> tagoh_: i think, only input method is missing now
05:39:50 <pravins> paragan: aha, nice
05:40:23 <tagoh_> we have ever written the language support criteria before, we may need to work on it again perhaps?
05:41:00 <tagoh_> and guess need some feedback from QA team maybe?
05:41:15 <pravins> tagoh_: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/LanguageSupportCriteria
05:41:31 <tagoh_> pravins: yeah, thanks
05:42:16 <pravins> tagoh_: yeah, i think comps group can move out and langpack plugin can come there?
05:42:36 <tagoh_> aha. that's an idea.
05:43:14 <tagoh_> maybe good to discuss it on the list first and bring it up to QA and then FESCo perhaps.
05:43:55 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, sure
05:44:06 <tagoh_> anything more?
05:44:15 <pravins> done from me
05:44:25 <tagoh_> okay, guess better move on then
05:44:46 <tagoh_> #topic Meeting time change proposal
05:46:16 <tagoh_> well, I'll send an email to the list later formally I'm planning to change this meeting time to 2 or 3 hours later. please follow on the list once I've sent if you have any counter-suggestion or opinions.
05:46:19 <paragan> is there any new time needed?
05:46:50 <tagoh_> paragan: it may be a bit earlier for mfabian :)
05:47:01 <tagoh_> it's the reason to propose this.
05:47:09 <paragan> ok
05:47:27 <mfabian> It is OK, if the current time is best for you, it is OK.
05:48:32 <pravins> mfabian: tagoh_ 1 hrs later will work
05:49:13 <tagoh_> mfabian: I suppose we still have some margin to have one so far. so I think we can settle a bit.
05:50:11 <tagoh_> and fortunately meeting slots are free for those time. we can move if necessary.
05:50:31 <pravins> tagoh_: how about 1 hr later from Japan timezone?
05:50:40 <tagoh_> pravins: sure. works for me.
05:51:32 <tagoh_> pravins: 2 or 3 hours later may conflicts to lunch time in India?
05:51:41 <paragan> yes
05:51:44 <tagoh_> aha
05:52:11 <tagoh_> okay
05:52:24 <mfabian> So maybe 1 hour later is best for all?
05:52:31 <paragan> yes
05:52:32 <pravins> mfabian: yes
05:52:43 <tagoh_> seems like that :) anyway, will send an email later.
05:52:59 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
05:54:02 <tagoh_> mfabian: btw welcome to fedora i18n team and grad to work on it together. hope your experience will helps us and improve Fedora i18n experience.
05:54:20 <mfabian> Thank you very much!
05:54:32 <anish_> mfabian, welcome to fedora project !!!
05:54:59 <epico> mfabian, welcome aboard!
05:55:05 <paragan> mfabian, Welcome to Fedora i18n team
05:55:26 <mfabian> I'm happy to work together with you.
05:55:35 <tagoh_> don't hesitate to ask if you have any mind. we are listening on #fedora-i18n. we can help if any.
05:56:00 <pravins> mfabian: yes welcome, do add your name at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#People :)
05:56:07 <tagoh_> okay, is there any topics we are missing in the agenda?
05:56:21 <tagoh_> if not, will close the meeting shortly
05:58:09 <tagoh_> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
05:58:14 <tagoh_> #endmeeting