15:00:02 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-07-10
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15:00:37 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:00:55 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:01:01 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:01:02 <jreznik> hey, who's here?
15:01:10 * jreznik is obviously here :)
15:01:11 <rdieter> oh, hi, here
15:01:45 * ltinkl is present
15:01:45 <than> present
15:01:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Good, let's start!
15:01:57 <jreznik> #chair than ltinkl rdieter Kevin_Kofler
15:01:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter than
15:02:21 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter than
15:03:30 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:03:42 <Kevin_Kofler> Nothing from me.
15:04:42 <jreznik> others? otherwise it's going to be really quick meeting :) (and it's still raining)
15:05:08 * Kevin_Kofler is OK with a quick meeting. :-)
15:05:32 <jreznik> #topic finishing feature page
15:05:41 <jreznik> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE49
15:06:25 <jreznik> anything to add to the feature page? to send it for wrangler
15:06:31 <Kevin_Kofler> All the sections are filled in, I think we can send this to the wrangler as is.
15:06:33 <rdieter> I think it's fair to bump up the completion %, most of the items we say to be included, are done (short of kde-4.9.0 final release being available yet)
15:06:41 <jreznik> rdieter: ok
15:06:51 <Kevin_Kofler> Though maybe the Documentation section could use updating: "the new KDE 4 Desktop"? ;-)
15:06:57 <rdieter> 60-70% at least.
15:07:09 <jreznik> btw. there's going to be official announcement of a new Feature Wrangler
15:07:30 <rdieter> except for image size, haven't worked any on that yet, but minidebuginfo hasn't landed yet either, afaik
15:07:35 <Kevin_Kofler> They're already working on the foundations for version 5 and we still say that 4 is "new". ;-)
15:07:43 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: good point
15:07:46 <rdieter> jreznik: gee, I wonder who that could be. :)
15:08:51 * jreznik is going to polish the page a little bit (as rdieter and Kevin_Kofler proposed + more polishing)
15:09:08 <jreznik> if we do not have any more features we'd like to include there
15:09:13 <rdieter> otherwise, looking good.  I suppose it's premature to start considering using lightdm yet? (admittedly, not a whole lot of testing there)
15:09:34 <jreznik> for F18 already?
15:09:38 <rdieter> yeah, nevermind. thinking it through. f19+
15:09:45 <Kevin_Kofler> -1 to LightDM
15:09:47 <jreznik> we will have a lot of work with DMs itself
15:10:04 <Kevin_Kofler> Keep KDM at least for F18.
15:10:08 <jreznik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DisplayManagerRework
15:10:14 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: F18 for sure
15:10:20 <rdieter> will be fun to work on a qml'ized lightdm-kde theme
15:10:30 <jreznik> rdieter: +1 :)
15:10:44 * jreznik wants to include at least tetris there :D
15:10:57 * ltinkl hears QML and runs
15:10:58 <rdieter> try to do a ksplashqml one this time? :)
15:11:10 <jreznik> rdieter: hope so
15:11:15 <rdieter> fun
15:11:27 <Kevin_Kofler> The solution looking for a problem (QML) strikes again…
15:11:33 <jreznik> :D
15:12:10 <jreznik> let's talk about other features that could affect as - DMRework has not yet been accepted by FESCo but
15:12:31 <jreznik> I think it's good to replace prefd as then it's going to be under our control (hint cirrus...)
15:12:34 <rdieter> jreznik: that's the one about replacing prefdm with systemd units?
15:12:37 <Kevin_Kofler> DMRework will affect us either way, LightDM also needs to support it.
15:12:48 <jreznik> rdieter, Kevin_Kofler: yep, yep
15:12:58 <rdieter> that's targetting f18?
15:13:14 <jreznik> rdieter: yes, not yet accepted by FESCo but targetting F18
15:13:30 <rdieter> ugh, ok, they need to land that asap so we can start working on it
15:13:43 * jreznik is sad lennart have not contacted us at all about it...
15:13:50 <ltinkl> has he ever?
15:13:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Lennart is always targeting the earliest possible release with his experimental "break everything" "features". ;-(
15:14:18 * jreznik is going to start a mail discussion with him... and rest dm guys
15:14:21 <rdieter> this will be a nice feature, I just want to avoid too much landing at the last minute is all
15:14:23 <Kevin_Kofler> And of course the feature announcement is the first time anybody learns of the plans.
15:14:26 <jreznik> rdieter: +1
15:15:08 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: actually it's reason why we have Features but it has to be handled a little bit better in the future (me will try to acomplish this mission :)
15:15:17 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm more of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mindset, I'm not convinced prefdm is broken at all. ;-)
15:15:25 <rdieter> admittedly, I'm only just starting to learn enough now about how to make/test systemd units (enough to be dangerous)
15:16:09 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: it is... just remember when we tried the native hack for cirrus bug...
15:18:51 <jreznik> #action jreznik to finish and polish Feature page according to input from rdieter and Kevin_Kofler
15:18:54 <rdieter> reminds me, didn't I have homework to enumerate the new package splits on the feature page?  (if so, I fail, can work on it later)
15:19:29 <jreznik> rdieter: ah, you reminded it to me I wanted this to be added :) could you take care please?
15:19:43 <rdieter> right, ok
15:20:17 <jreznik> thanks
15:20:33 <rdieter> #action rdieter to work on enumerating new split packaging on kde49 feature page
15:20:39 <jreznik> #action rdieter to enumerate new package splits on the feature page
15:20:42 <rdieter> ha
15:20:50 <rdieter> twice the work!
15:22:10 <Kevin_Kofler> #undo
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15:22:17 <Kevin_Kofler> One #action will be enough. ;-)
15:24:05 <Kevin_Kofler> So, anything else to discuss? Or can we stop the meeting here?
15:24:28 * rdieter has nothing else
15:28:11 <Kevin_Kofler> #endmeeting