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01:00:03 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA
01:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul  4 01:00:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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01:00:05 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:00:14 <inode0> #topic Roll Call
01:00:25 <award3535> good evening
01:00:35 <inode0> Hi award3535
01:00:51 <award3535> evening john
01:00:56 <inode0> #chair award3535
01:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 inode0
01:01:08 <ianweller> hi
01:01:31 <award3535> evening ianweller
01:01:50 <inode0> ok, this might be quick
01:01:53 <inode0> #topic Announcements
01:02:00 <MarkDude> Yay
01:02:29 <inode0> So one sort of announcement just because lots of people are missing and we are a bit hamstrung as a result
01:03:00 <award3535> i figured this would be a slim meeting
01:03:08 <inode0> I'm not planning to try to sort out any budget stuff at this meeting (including OSCON and TXLF)
01:03:26 <MarkDude> Ok, fair enough.
01:03:27 <inode0> Those do need quick attention but we just can't do it tonight ...
01:03:48 <inode0> We can discuss any non-budget approval things related to their organization though
01:03:49 * MarkDude will stay in holding pattern, and see if I can do anything to help :)
01:03:49 <dramsey> :)
01:03:53 <award3535> I have not decided yet wether attend TLF
01:04:38 <inode0> So rather than do tickets I think I'll just hop around to touch on a couple of things tonight
01:04:47 <award3535> sounds good
01:04:56 <inode0> #topic Renaming FAmNA trac instance(s)
01:05:30 <inode0> FAmSCo wants to regularize ambassador tracs and asked us to consider renaming ours like they are doing elsewhere
01:05:44 <inode0> fedora-emea, fedora-apac, fedora-latam
01:05:57 <inode0> I have two observations about this
01:06:14 <inode0> (1) fedora-famna is redundant since the f in famna is Fedora
01:06:35 <MarkDude> Good point
01:06:43 <dramsey> +1
01:06:44 <inode0> (2) we have two trac instances rather than just one as in the other regions which poses another problem
01:06:47 <award3535> +1
01:06:49 <MarkDude> And not in a good way - like WINE
01:07:04 * ianweller wonders why a 'fedora-' prefix when emea, apac and latam don't necessarily mean "ambassadors"
01:07:16 * ianweller decides to not think too hard about it
01:07:23 <MarkDude> ianweller, to make /join easier?
01:07:28 <inode0> I can't explain FAmSCo's thinking
01:07:30 <MarkDude> less typing
01:07:32 <inode0> nb: ping
01:07:36 <inode0> herlo: ping
01:07:37 <ianweller> you don't /join trac?
01:07:40 <award3535> possibly
01:07:53 <award3535> I had no difficulty joining
01:07:53 <ianweller> unless i'm missing context
01:08:07 <inode0> would be handy to have a famsco member from famna here to explain this
01:08:24 <award3535> yes it would
01:08:44 * inode0 concludes it isn't that important to FAmSCo :)
01:09:07 * inode0 said he would raise it for discussion tonight though in the famsco meeting
01:09:13 <award3535> okay
01:09:22 <MarkDude> Maybe the 2nd F would not be redundant, if we pretend it is a swear word :D
01:09:29 <inode0> we could rename ours fedora-na but I think famna is more clear
01:10:05 <award3535> eitherway is fine with me
01:10:25 * inode0 moves we ignore this request and stick with what seems to be working fine
01:10:37 <MarkDude> +1
01:10:38 <dan408> hello
01:10:39 <award3535> +1
01:10:40 <dan408> still at work
01:10:43 * graphite6 sneaks in, bleary eyed, eating a taco
01:10:47 <graphite6> +1
01:10:50 <dan408> +1
01:10:56 <MarkDude> its cool dan408 its gonna be a short meeting
01:10:59 <dan408> k
01:11:02 <inode0> if someone is having a hard time finding the proper trac we could add a wiki page pointing people to them
01:11:25 * MarkDude understands that Insight will help with some of this down the road....
01:11:25 <dramsey> +1
01:11:45 <dan408> i think we need a wiki on lattitude + longtitude
01:11:47 <inode0> Insight, also known as fedora-vapor
01:12:11 * MarkDude has seen Insight activity, by end of Summer
01:12:30 <inode0> #agreed FAmNA doesn't have much interest in changing the names of its trac instances at this time
01:13:26 <inode0> Someone toss out the next topic please ...
01:13:45 <award3535> Ambassador day, any idea of location yet
01:14:03 <inode0> #topic FADNA 2012
01:14:06 <dan408> iowa
01:14:13 <award3535> Atlanta
01:14:22 <scientes> Antartica
01:14:26 <inode0> as I've said many times please stop throwing out places
01:14:41 <inode0> unless someone does the work to make it happen there is won't
01:14:42 <dan408> Okay seriously, we suggest San Francisco but we did not discuss any organization
01:14:50 <dan408> suggested*
01:15:05 <inode0> As far as I know there has been no concrete proposal for any location yet
01:15:17 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012
01:15:19 <dan408> There were 2 in the trac ticket
01:15:31 <award3535> that is correct
01:15:35 <inode0> those are just names of cities, I can name thousands of those
01:15:49 <dan408> right, you said you wanted logistics.
01:15:53 <ianweller> when are you hoping to have it?
01:15:54 <dan408> which nobody has proprosed.
01:16:14 <graphite6> That link is the aggregation of all the meetings about this and where people can brainstorm
01:16:25 <award3535> logistics cant happen with out location first
01:16:42 <MarkDude> dan408, if you want to take lead on SF being proposed- we can try it. Lets talk after meeting on phone
01:16:49 <inode0> ianweller: well, it would be nice if it could be this fall sort of around the time it is held in EMEA, but any time would be ok post generating an agenda and doing the logistics
01:16:51 <dan408> sure.
01:16:56 <MarkDude> Cool :)
01:17:12 * dan408 charges up phone
01:17:12 <ianweller> inode0: well, i was gonna suggest maybe doing it shouldering fudcon lawrence?
01:17:16 <ianweller> either before, after, or both
01:17:35 <ianweller> not sure if it's a good idea or not, but decided to throw it out there
01:18:01 <inode0> ianweller: we did discuss that early on, and while I'd prefer something more isolated if that works out better we can do that
01:18:24 <ianweller> yeh, i understand that
01:18:56 <dan408> ok I need to get back to work, I'm somewhat here.
01:18:56 <MarkDude> And 2 differing locations makes it more likely folks can attend one of them
01:19:14 <MarkDude> dan408, phonecall in a few hours :)
01:19:20 <dan408> nah call me at 7
01:19:25 <MarkDude> k
01:19:26 <dan408> i wanna get outta here
01:19:30 <award3535> I agree, the other coast is a little far for me
01:19:59 <award3535> 2 proposed locations
01:19:59 <MarkDude> You guys on East Coast, thats almost as far as Europe :)
01:20:06 <dan408> srs
01:20:22 <inode0> who is planning to attend is important as well in determining location
01:20:27 <award3535> europe is closer for me
01:20:36 <dan408> i'll attend depending on location.
01:20:41 <inode0> but until someone has an actual facility we aren't getting any closer to picking a location
01:20:51 <dan408> inode0: what is required?
01:20:53 * MarkDude is planning on going, and depending on how close to West Coast, more of BAMF
01:20:54 <dan408> is this on the wiki?
01:21:03 <award3535> depending on the location I plan to attend if all day traveling isnt required
01:21:40 <graphite6> dan408: are you looking for the info on the FADNA so far (from previous meetings?)
01:21:48 <dan408> no.
01:22:03 <MarkDude> It does not estimate how many folks- so I assume under 20?
01:22:03 <dan408> yeah i mean are you guys going to fly me out to say atlanta, put me up in a room, and pay for food?
01:22:04 <inode0> dan408: you need to be a good host for 10-20 people, they need a place to work, they need a place to sleep, they need a way to get around
01:22:27 <inode0> well, it may be 6-10 people depending
01:22:35 <dan408> and so, there's no money in the budget to pay for this?
01:22:49 <dan408> and why only 6-10 people?
01:23:09 <inode0> yes, there is money in the budget for this if "this" justifies spending the money it ends up costing :)
01:23:12 <award3535> in atlanta I would only ask for 50% of the room and no travel costs
01:23:20 <MarkDude> Ok, givers me enough to ponder it- altho I think Silicon Valley may be better than say SF- I can have some details checked out- Ryan Singer brings with him- space at Standford-
01:23:25 <dan408> that's reassuring to hear.
01:23:50 <MarkDude> We have space theere- so dan408 and I will shut up now- and see what we can figure if travel works for that, etc
01:24:04 <dan408> yep
01:24:08 <dan408> +1 MarkDude
01:24:11 <inode0> universities are nice because they normally will provide free space for this sort of work with nice network capabilites
01:24:21 <dan408> Stanford
01:24:28 <inode0> other sites have been used in the past, anything that works works
01:25:02 <award3535> lets not forget about us east coast guys
01:25:12 * inode0 isn't sure we can make any more progress on this tonight
01:25:22 <dan408> inode0: please define any other requirements and information and MarkDude and I will come with a serious proposal by next week.
01:25:48 <award3535> yes please let us know what you want
01:26:03 <scientes> stanford is a very nice location
01:26:20 <dan408> +1 scientes
01:26:27 <inode0> There is a ticket open, I have provided a link detailing the last FADNA twice at least, what more do you need?
01:26:49 <graphite6> and I've set up the new link with the template that lays out the planning steps
01:27:04 <graphite6> I posted it earlier, above :)
01:27:24 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010
01:27:33 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012
01:27:53 <graphite6> the 2012 link is where the new stuff can go
01:28:04 <dan408> okay if that's all you need let's move on.
01:28:53 <inode0> what are we doing? who is going to do it? where and when are they going to do it?
01:30:01 <inode0> ok, next topic?
01:30:21 <MarkDude> +1
01:30:32 <ianweller> inode0: do you know of any updates on ticket 37
01:31:04 <inode0> .famnaticket 37
01:31:08 <zodbot> inode0: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37
01:31:20 <inode0> #topic Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events
01:31:51 <inode0> Any response to your request for stuff?
01:31:56 <ianweller> not yet.
01:32:06 <inode0> Did you ping legal btw?
01:32:19 <ianweller> oh, no, not yet, i should probably write spot an email.
01:32:40 <inode0> We just need to be careful about clearly stating any restrictions that may apply.
01:32:46 <ianweller> yeah
01:32:54 <award3535> !
01:34:16 <inode0> well, change the owner of the ticket if you are tired of waiting to someone else
01:34:16 * inode0 doesn't know who it is now, but sometimes people are just too busy to watch
01:34:28 <ianweller> it's nb
01:34:38 <ianweller> maybe i'll just fire an email cannon at him
01:34:41 <inode0> try Ben
01:35:17 <ianweller> award3535: did you have something?
01:35:33 * ianweller doesn't think this meeting follows protocols
01:35:40 <award3535> nope the dog just bumped me
01:35:45 <inode0> haha
01:35:46 <ianweller> oh lol.
01:36:02 <ianweller> okay, well, i've got nothin' more
01:36:12 <dramsey> lol
01:36:15 <MarkDude> EOF
01:36:27 <inode0> ok, since I'm tired of changing topics now let's do this
01:36:34 <inode0> #topic Open Floor
01:37:31 <inode0> I will mention that TXLF is in about a month and we aren't very far along in planning - so I'm guessing our presence won't be the usual booth there
01:37:54 <inode0> Although it might, we possibly can share space with one of our sponsors
01:38:40 <inode0> graphite6: anything we need to do to help with your event coming up?
01:38:50 <award3535> Depending on where the FAMDay is located, that is why I am trying to figure out either TX
01:39:08 <award3535> or Atlanta/SF
01:39:34 <MarkDude> graphite6, will be near us in SF soon I heard
01:39:36 <award3535> I can travel to TX if need be
01:39:42 <graphite6> inode0: nope, the AS7 on Fedora flyers were printed for the summit and I took home half the extras and the east coast event box has the rest now :)
01:40:12 <inode0> she said that word again
01:40:21 <graphite6> MarkDude: I will, Sunday - Friday then driving to Portland for CLS, then a few days at oscon
01:40:43 <graphite6> uh oh, what word :P
01:41:16 <graphite6> But as for JAX San Fran, I'm good
01:41:17 <MarkDude> Oh cool. I did not know you were gonna be doing CLS too
01:41:31 <inode0> well, this was an off the cuff meeting, sorry it was so disorganized
01:41:41 * MarkDude will see you in Stumptown
01:41:41 <inode0> Next Tuesday we'll have our act back together
01:41:46 <MarkDude> (portland)
01:42:12 <graphite6> Oh! And for JAX it is Javaesq community night on Monday, open for the public if you register, I sent an email to the ambassador list today about it or check the wiki page
01:42:20 <award3535> inode0 I can man the booth at TLF if no one else can
01:42:47 <graphite6> that would be Java-ish :), there will be a Debian ARM demo that night :D
01:42:52 <inode0> award3535: let's talk outside the meeting, we have a few interested people in at least helping
01:42:55 <graphite6> Just an FYI, I've got over 1500 pictures of Fedora stuff from the summit as well as videos of the booth talks and ARM demo, I'm heavily curating them and then will release them into the wild :)
01:43:33 <award3535> Inode0 rggr
01:43:50 * inode0 is frustrated that he can't even tell what happens at TXLF on Friday at this point
01:43:55 <graphite6> And I'll be photographing and recording JAX, CLS, and Oscon events too...(and filling up another tera drive, lol)
01:44:42 <graphite6> MarkDude: can't wait!
01:45:07 <MarkDude> Cool, more pics. We can always use them
01:45:17 <inode0> MarkDude: anything else we can help with tonight for CLS/OSCON
01:45:47 <MarkDude> Not really, I just talked to Nixie, she is emailing me her plans for videos for OSCON
01:46:33 <inode0> ok
01:46:33 * MarkDude will see if there is any word from FFPL, tomorrow- and if not- I will take the logs from last week, and trim them down, and see if we can get her a brief email on it
01:46:53 <MarkDude> Make it easier to review.
01:47:26 * MarkDude is planning on going either way, if bigger budget is not approved, and just stay in a room,
01:47:30 <inode0> does anyone here happen to know when rbergeron will be back in our circle of victims?
01:48:10 * MarkDude assumes it will be tho- its a good investment to have additional promoters of Linux do some high visibility stuff
01:48:13 <MarkDude> EOF :)
01:48:22 <graphite6> only know she went on vacay, not sure for how long though
01:48:35 * SGS checks in
01:48:47 <inode0> this isn't the vacation involving water is it?
01:49:37 <graphite6> I don't know :D (but I wish I was going to a vacation with some sand and surf)
01:49:56 <kk4ewt> ianweller:  i expect nb is waiting for all stuff to ome in
01:50:18 <kk4ewt> come in
01:50:30 <ianweller> kk4ewt: ok
01:50:46 <ianweller> i'll ping him when i see him next and ask, at least
01:50:58 <kk4ewt> i just got media in this past week
01:50:58 <award3535> evening kk4ewt
01:51:02 <kk4ewt> hello
01:51:28 <inode0> hi kk4ewt, anything on your mind tonight before we stop?
01:51:31 <graphite6> oh, about swag, do we know where the 1500 fedora buttons went? there weren't any in the event box at the summit, and it is completely cleared out of stickers and everything
01:53:47 * inode0 assumes SGS or kk4ewt might know if they weren't in the event box?!
01:54:11 <SGS> . . .
01:54:23 <SGS> ... You know, they might be in a bag.
01:54:34 <SGS> A bag sitting in our trunk that I meant to have put back in the event box. . .
01:54:47 <SGS> I'll be right back . . .
01:55:08 <dan408> alright y'all
01:55:10 <dan408> im outta here
01:55:12 <dan408> have a good day
01:55:16 <dramsey> :)  Sending a Happy Independence Day to you all!  :)
01:55:17 <dan408> MarkDude please call me
01:55:28 <graphite6> dan408: night!
01:55:37 <dramsey> Double Double dan408
01:55:40 <dan408> night!
01:56:09 <graphite6> I meant good night, wasn't yelling :D fingers are sticky, lol
01:56:22 <MarkDude> message me if you have any suggestions on OSCON
01:56:29 <inode0> blame the dog, that seems to work
01:56:38 <award3535> LOL
01:56:44 <MarkDude> graphite6, are you on OSCON wiki page- and is your funding covered?
01:56:51 <award3535> shes only a 100lb golden retriver
01:57:27 <SGS> ok
01:57:28 <SGS> Found it
01:57:30 <SGS> It's here
01:57:33 <inode0> woohoo
01:57:43 <SGS> Sitting in my view
01:57:47 <inode0> I call this a productive meeting now :)
01:57:51 <SGS> No lost swag, just misplaced, sorry graphite6 !!
01:57:54 <SGS> My bad!
01:58:02 <graphite6> MarkDude: ah, not yet, and I may just need half a plane ticket covered, JAX is covering the other half, and jboss the hotel room (yup, budget maze, lol)
01:58:13 <inode0> hey, those enterprise people got plenty of stuff anyway :)
01:59:05 <graphite6> SGS: yeah swag! and I didn't think it was lost, but the box will need to be resupplied with just about everything (there are beefy buttons and beefy stickers left)
01:59:24 * inode0 wants beefy buttons
01:59:36 <inode0> I shamefully lost one
01:59:46 <inode0> and I wonder what whoever found it thought
01:59:56 <ianweller> inode0: ah, the wonderful problem with inside jokes
02:00:25 <kk4ewt> graphite6: the box always needs resupplied after each event
02:00:28 <inode0> I bet they smiled
02:00:31 <graphite6> inode0: I can send you one :) but sorry I couldn't find a baseball, I do have pics from the Fenway press box though
02:00:58 <kk4ewt> graphite6:  hopefully the event box is on the way back home
02:01:02 <graphite6> kk4ewt: gotcha, I was just shocked at the pillaging, we were pretty much out after the first day
02:01:16 <inode0> alrighty, sorry again for the disorganized meeting tonight
02:01:33 <inode0> thanks for coming and continuing to plug away
02:01:34 <award3535> gotta go, everyone have a happy and safe 4th
02:01:45 <inode0> #endmeeting